Is Indonesia's New Capital City Heading for Disaster?

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Indonesian capital city - Jakarta - is sinking. In the face of this and other challenges, Indonesia is building a brand new city from scratch. In this video, we take a look at the logic behind this move, the vision and plan for the new capital, and why it's proving controversial.
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[@gosnooky]

10 million is the city proper. The actual population of the metro area, which contributes to the aforementioned city's woes, is closer to 35 million.

[@MarcusLangbart]

he should have also mentioned that Java along with Sumatra are among the most populated islands in the world. Just to give a better idea of the crazy demographical context in Indonesia

[@gosnooky]

@@MarcusLangbart Among the most populated? IS the most populated. More people than Russia on that small sliver of land.

[@effexon]

so Id expect new capital to grow to 35mn in this century. possibly more with growing population.

[@gorilladisco9108]

@@MarcusLangbart Java became the most populated island in the world because the political powers took residence in it. People will flock to be near the center of power. By moving the political center into (a relatively empty) Kalimantan, most of the Jakarta's appeal will be gone. It won't heal the sinking problem, but at least it won't become worse, because the source of environmental disaster will be moved to Nusantara.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

​@@gorilladisco9108 Not really. The main reason hid beneath Java's soil itself. Since bygone days Java is the entire region's main supplier for commodities such as rice thanks to its outstandingly fertile land, very perfect for agriculture. With its capability to sustain itself and the population of the neighbouring islands, no wonder the population is exploding.

[@zzeroemissions3364]

What you need to know is that "Nusantara" was built on industrial forest plantations. This means that the 'forest' you are really worried about is just industrial land that is routinely cut down and replanted to make paper.

[@kenstravels4922]

If it will be used as a new capital then paper makers will find new lands to cut down so...

[@goodcook464]

​@@kenstravels4922It is none of your bussiness. Where does your country make a paper from?Cutting your own forest or from the rainforest in tropical countries?

[@getafixthedruid8129]

​@@kenstravels4922 So they will find another paper wood forests from another areas. Tropical rain forest zone is protected by law, no local governments will be able to issue permits.

[@haruyanto8085]

When its not a western country its bad

[@slickimz223]

The idea of a new capital exist way back in Soekarno's reign. Jakarta is just an 'accidental' capital city due to it's location. During early independence war with Dutch, Yogyakarta was established as an emergency capital.

[@cringe_lord5762]

I think its because before he implement that the coup started so its on halt and our economic is still poor and only focused on Java, while today the economic are focused more on outer Java island and already spread evenly (thou still on process)

[@abcddef2112]

@@cringe_lord5762Well it became palangkaraya

[@grundergesellscahftmkii6196]

if you check UU 10/1964, you'll see that a new capital city is not in Orde Lama's radar anymore.

[@Kuricang31]

​@@grundergesellscahftmkii6196 and yet the Soviet workers are still in Indonesia, working on paving the road and calculating the land in Palangkaraya when Supersemar happened and the fall of Soekarno 😁

[@ilhamrj2599]

JAKarta is not accidental capital city… pretty sure Dutch government relocated their administrative center several times…. Before Jakarta, it was in Ambon. And even inside Jakarta, the Dutch East Indies goverment relocated the administrative center several times… firstly it was built in Oud Batavia (Kota Tua), then relocated further south in Weltevreden (Gambir area today). They even built the new administrative center in Gedung Sate Bandung in the 1920s, the Dutch East Indies government indeed planned to relocate the capital to Bandung.😂 If it was not the Great Depresssion of 1930s, millions of Indonesians would have called Bandung as their capital.😊 There is no such thing as accidental… Arent you womdering why the road in Gambir area are so wide and well-managed?? because it was a planned capital city indeed😂. The one who destroyed Jakarta planning, are the Indonesian government who comes after independence… They failed miserably in urban planning 😂… But still, they tried to relocate some government building further to South Jakarta back in 1960s and 1970s… thats why we have JAKSEL neighborhood today. Emangnya siapa yang bangun Senayan dan Kebayoran Baru??? Itu planning semua, enak aja bilang accidental😅 Kualat lo, sembarangan ngomong.

[@shk439]

Kazakhstan moved capital in 1998 from Almaty to Astana

[@ohflip2173]

Yes, but they moved it to an existing city, which is a much more sensible solution than building a new city from scratch.

[@gorilladisco9108]

@@ohflip2173Washington DC was built from scratch and it worked well .. with one problem. Federal government forgot (or neglected) to buy the entire land, which led to several thousand people to remain within the capital. Those several thousands are almost a million now (712,816 as of 2020, according to google). And they creates the usual problems any capital will have ... traffic congestion, disproportionate public pressure, environmental disaster ...

[@revinhatol]

They should have moved their capital to Satpayev, ngl

[@davidcwitkin6729]

One advantage of Nusantara will be its reduced vulnerability to volcanic activity, earthquakes, and tsunamis. Indonesia has a lot of those and Jakarta is vulnerable.

[@yusufabdurrauf7429]

Improving economic equality and quality in several cities is much better than building brand new expensive city. (I'm local btw)

[@hafizilmi7255]

​@@yusufabdurrauf7429 Well, I guess we'll do both (moving capital and improving economy). (I'm local too btw)

[@Darkrezta]

@@yusufabdurrauf7429 I mean moving the capital is an attempt to do that. from economy focused on java to all of the country by moving the capital.

[@RidwanNurzeha]

Since I lived in Jakarta, actually Jakarta is quite safe from those natural disaster. Jakarta faces the java sea which has less potential to have tsunami. Also quite far from any active volcanoes. And for earthquakes, yes it threatening Jakarta but not in high frequency like Tokyo. So the main reason is bad city plan which lead to lot of problems. So instead to solve the problems, the govt choose to build a new one.

[@Darkrezta]

@@RidwanNurzeha how to solve these city bad planning? and the most problematic in the end for me keeping jakarta is the same to keep economic development in mostly in java instead to all of the country. moving the capital force indonesia to make any economic development outside of java. so I support this decision.

[@deltabol9158]

A dutch curse everything must be below sea level.

[@ecoideazventures6417]

Exactly, i am wondering why the Dutch are not treating this as a great business opportunity!

[@yamyam2987]

The difference is how the people reacted. Looks like Indonesia lacks to fight it, unlike the Dutch

[@ronzac55]

hahaha hilarious. But yes, when the Dutch built the city in 1600s, it was already swampy.

[@fasha7747]

​@@yamyam2987Not really. Jakarta's irigation problem happened when Dutch still ruled Indonesia and they don't do anything about it, they just move to other area and let the natives live in their mess.

[@withyou5961]

And dutch already had a plan to move East Indies capital back then from Batavia (Jakarta) to Bandung, but before the completion, Japan already coming in 1942, and destroy everything what dutch have planned..

[@lucerofci]

As a Filipino, I wish success to our neighbor Indonesia. This will mean we will be closer together especially the southern part of the Philippines, and will facilitate more trade and development in that region.

[@Ramayana_Fans_Official]

Thank you 🙏

[@bababababababa6124]

Jakarta looks like a lovely city but we Nigerians can relate to having a massive congested city as your capital… it’s not good 😂 that’s why Lagos had to go

[@archyarchfiendx2938]

Free Biafra from Nigeria aka boko haram

[@bababababababa6124]

@@archyarchfiendx2938no comment 😬

[@yr2985]

Indonesian economy 1.5 Trillion we have no probs building a new capital city😂

[@kevinmanan1304]

@@yr2985 not an issue of building a new city. Issue of building a city reserved for the rich & privileged excluding the poor out. Opportunities shouldn’t be reserved for only the ultra wealthy. Indonesia’s ridiculous wealth gap will only widen with the city

[@miokaya4595]

@@yr2985 Lu gangerti maksud dia atau apa? Jangan sombong, Gap wealth kita itu tinggi banget. Bukan hal yang baik

[@joMan1060]

as an indonesian, i 1000% support this project Indonesia is big, Jakarta is in Java, in the Western part of Indonesia, it led Indonesia to only lead by Javanese, only develop Java with Javanese point of view, while eastern part of Indonesian like Papuans,Moluccans, etc are having hard time access the capital to voice their needs politicaly. this new Capital will be a real capital of Indonesians, everybody across east and west Indonesia have more equal acess to the capital and the new capital will be more inclusive. this is a new era of Indonesians, Nusantara is a model city where it will be followed by other cities

[@tumao_kaliwat_napulo]

Nusantara's success would greatly benefit the Philippines as it would also make the Sulu Sea much more important as a Maritime highway...

[@ChrisAlbertH47]

It's unwise for a Capital city to rely mostly on foreign investment. You open yourself up for foreign influence and pressure, especially since we're talking about the seat of your government. Foreign interest lobby would be almost a certainty under these conditions. Social critics of the city have also likened it to a bunch of politicians and rich people going to Mars just so they could leave the wasteland of earth behind and not have to worry about the problems of the common rabble.

[@venanziadorromatagni1641]

Here’s a pro-tip on recognising lavish spending: When you hear the phrase: “Vice-Presidential palace” said out in earnest, you know fiscal prudence has left the building.

[@abcddef2112]

Not really Vice president in Indonesia have special autonomy responsibility of papuan provinces and later might be jabodetabek area. Much more portofolio than just being spare president.

[@ave390]

Indonesia has one of the lowest debt to gdp ratio, the Finance ministry is the former director of World Bank.

[@kawaiikoto8800]

"palace" is a pretty relative term in measuring how much a building will cost though. Most government buildings in Indonesia are pretty small and don't cost that much to build. Certainly nothing compared to US or EU countries.

[@venanziadorromatagni1641]

@@abcddef2112 Have you seen the KZbin video of the new vice-presidential palace plans? (“From Indonesia to the World: the Winner of vice presidential palace competition”) This thing is massive. The main structure on top of that hill alone has a total roof length of roughly 100 meters.

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

@@abcddef2112 it depens. Jusuf Kalla might really had his own political power, but the current vice president is just there to get vote from islamists in 2019 election. he has no political power to make any strategic policy.

[@tiggerchen3]

You missed the historical point that there has been plans since Indonesian 1st president Soekarno to move the capital from Jakarta (before the sinking, traffic jam, and so on). Wether jakarta will still be the capital or not, it has received decades of privilliges of subsidies of capitals (monetary, human resouces and talents, policies, etc). Jakarta should sort itself detached from the new capital plan. Attaching Nusantara with Jakarta is as if in the US, all the federal states has to be burdened just for washington DC own problems.

[@pustakarileks7404]

He don't know, he is just making contents so people watching him, just it, they just need money

[@grundergesellscahftmkii6196]

go check UU 10/1964. you'll see that Soekarno doesn't want to move capital city to a new town anymore.

[@pustakarileks7404]

@grundergesellscahftmkii6196 there's many factor, if you know what the next year happened. I think his focus to stabilize politics

[@grundergesellscahftmkii6196]

which mean the claim about Soekarno's wish is irrelevant at this point because the laws itself came after that.

[@pustakarileks7404]

@grundergesellscahftmkii6196 yes i know, but all moments have cause, soeharto's supersemar, 1965 massacre it's just effects of all cause. You know the policy have causality inside

[@freddiemercury2075]

I hope Indonesia succeed in building a beautiful metropolis, for the good of the country and their people. Love, from Singapore.

[@The1trueDave]

7:22 it can hardly be a good omen that that virtual bus just ran over a couple of virtual pedestrians. That's a little more realism than I usually like in a rendering! (sorry to be flippant btw - great analysis as usual!)

[@TheTsaqif]

Yup that scene alone basically summarizes how rushed this project is. That guy doesn't even have the time to set the correct bus path in lumion

[@masterofgreymog5751]

Oh wow, that's one of those golden little oversights isn't it?

[@firdanharbima6997]

​@@masterofgreymog5751 and there's a little dark humor in it for more value of being pointed out

[@merskar]

as an Indonesian, i disagree with this idea because so many things that need to improve like education, public facilities such as hospital, and other basic rights. those are still in low quality yet president jokowi force this idea to be happened. some more he didn't mentioned this idea when he was an election candidate

[@AndiArim]

Pergi dari tanah Jawa. Ini adalah milik kerajaan Majapahit bukan milik Indonesia

[@merskar]

@@AndiArim ??

[@joshkorte9020]

So weird, I was just talking to my Indonesian friend about this.

[@joaquimdantas63]

We, and by "we" I mean our Brazilian government, did it once. In the astonishing short period of just four years from 1956-1960, at the estimated cost of, according to the World Bank, equivalent 100 billions of nowadays US dollars (which by the way, ruined the Brazilian Federal Treasury and caused also an yearly 50% percent inflation rate) with the same stated goals (indeed, almost word by word duplication) of the present Indonesian government, we built a new capital, Brasília, transfering the seat of our government from Rio de Janeiro, aggravating its (Rio's) problems and sending it in a downward spiral from which barely sixty-four years latter Rio never really recovered. The results of this decision of creating from nothing a new Brazilian capital, were to say the least, "mixed". And it is not a policy or public measure whose adoption and thorough implementation mostly of us, Brazilians (the main exceptions being, of course, the permanent inhabitants of Brasília, people born there and also the people of the surrounding region, that is, all of them direct beneficiaries of the transferring of the capital) would heartily or rationally recommend. I hope the Indonesian people will be more sensible than we, Brazilians, were during the late years of the 1950 decade.

[@GeneralCox]

@2:57 - When you say a city is going to be sustainable you need to give some qualifications as to what you mean. Most sustainability experts argue that sustainable cities (i.e. net zero impact) are impossible, due to the amount of resources used by them (water, food, building materials, etc), and pollution produced by them (aerosol, human effluent, waste, etc). Depending on the design of the city, it can have a lower environmental footprint per pop, which helps with the problems, but just saying that a city is sustainable without any qualifiers is just good ol greenwashing.

[@grundergesellscahftmkii6196]

suburban is more unsustainable than urban area.

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

Humans have to live somewhere. In general, the denser humans live, the lower each human's individual carbon footprint. For example, 100 people living in an apartment building require a fraction of the electricity/gas to heat/cool per person, compared to 100 people living in 50 detached houses. Additionally, density makes public transport more cost effective to run. I agree that cities can't exactly be 'net zero' but a country with dense, well-designed cities will have a much easier time reaching net-zero than one without.

[@GeneralCox]

Both you and the other commenter missed the point I was calling out, that the term 'sustainable' was used but not substantiated. A more fuel efficient fossil-fuel car is more sustainable than a standard gas-guzzler, but you wouldn't call it sustainable and if someone did that would be greenwashing, which is what I see as the issue with this video. On the points about sustainability, your view only encapsulate one view of sustainability - if you compare urban to rural living, while it may cost more to heat in rural areas, they may produce all their food locally, which urbanites do not and subsequently need external characters to do for them. Those living in rural areas may also live in environments better for coexistence with nature, which not only is better for the environment but has been shown in research to improve people's affinity and desire to protect nature leading to better outcomes for the environment. Yes there are pro's to living in denser environments as you have mentioned, but sustainability is not so simple as to have a one size fits all solution, which is exactly why qualifying what the video means by sustainable is so important.

[@kls1836]

Now I wonder what kind of sustainable they meant.

[@merrymachiavelli2041]

@@GeneralCox It is kinda that simple. Whether food is produced locally, or relatively far away, it is still produced. Assuming similar diets, you still need the same amount of land. Emissions associated with food distribution are only a minority of agricultural emissions, and logistics networks benefit from denser living anyway (100 rural people driving 15 minutes in cars to do their weekly food shop is worse than 100 people walking around the corner, even if a truck might have to drive slightly longer to deliver to the latter) People living in rural environments does not, in general, benefit nature - nature benefits most from being left the hell alone. More people in rural areas means more land needs to be cleared for development and infrastructure, more habitats need to be bisected for roads, more pollution...etc. If it's a choice been a million people living rurally and a million people living in a city, nature benefits from the latter. Also, to go back to the logistics point, transport accounts for 24% of global CO2 emissions, the highest of any sector after energy. Denser living reduces almost all forms of transport emissions. I'll admit, Humans do benefit psychologically from being around nature. That can be a downside of urban living (although, humans also benefit from amenities that are easier to provide in cities). But that's not really a question of 'sustainability'. What's environmentally sustainable may not necessarily be what maximises human happiness.

[@NUSANTARA.2045]

Non-Indonesians always talk about how Jakarta will sink. Manhattan has the lowest point above sea level of around 2.13m and Manhattan's highest point above sea level is 3.97m while Jakarta's lowest point above sea level is 7m. believe me my friend the problem of Jakarta sinking is not a big problem. because the Jakarta city government has started building a giant wall on the coast of Jakarta

[@NUSANTARA.2045]

talked about environmental problems in the NUSANTARA due to deforestation which was used as land in the core area of the government center. Every tree that is cut down is not a protected forest or a conserved forest, but rather a production forest, namely eucalyptus trees which are cut down every 6-7 years to make tissue and paper. So the conclusion is that this is not an action that damages the environment and the Indonesian government has also created a forest replanting program with various types of trees that can attract animals such as birds, monkeys and others.

[@en1324]

Thanks for covering this! I never understood the insistence on "building a city from scratch". There are plenty of cities outside the Java island which the government could've just opted to "upgrade" which would have been more economically sensible.

[@chaca937]

akan lebih mahal masalah pembebasan lahan😂😂

[@landove1486]

Will be much costlier to buy land in more crowded areas. Let's say we have unlimited money, we still have to deal with regulation in taking over land, destroying unused structures. It may take years just to have an empty ready-to-use plot of land. Not to mention the conflicts we may face due to people not wanting to sell their land.

[@Luluskuy]

I can see that civil engineering is not your major, it's so clear as day that trying to renovate, relocate the residents, demolish then build again a city so it became 'perfectly engineered and planned city' is engineering hell instead of just build it from stratch.

[@izzigosa]

Actually is near two big city in Kalimantan, Banjarmasin and Samarinda, which will being support city for new capital city.

[@en1324]

Agree that there is an advantage to not having to deal with land-clearing, etc.. but I would imagine the infrastructure costs needed to build a city from scratch is massive: roads, public transport, sewage/water piping, power lines.. If this new city is just intended to serve as the base for the central government civil servants, surely they could have expanded existing state-owned buildings in existing cities. Seems more economically sensible.

[@jameslewis2635]

If a city is sinking due to poor foundations and suffering from poor infrastructure, it makes a lot of sense to build a new one on more solid ground. While Jakarta may continue to exist for a while, it seems obvious that a city that is already below sea level and continuing to sink will eventually become flooded to the point where it needs to be abandoned (short of becoming the local version of Venice).

[@gorilladisco9108]

The Dutch has shown what to do with lands under sea level.

[@kijangberburu5991]

@@gorilladisco9108 is Indonesia like the dutch ? No. We surely can implement it on jakarta but building the new one is of course better, like jeez can we at least have ONE just ONE well design city in Indonesia.

[@freedomgoddess]

​@@kijangberburu5991 your chance has arrived. though given brasilia's reputation, you shouldn't hold your breath.

[@radityapoerwanto7018]

​@@freedomgoddessBrasilia is located in the middle of nowhere. Indonesia got the advantage of being an archipelago. Cheaper transportation cost, both goods and human. It'll be easier for Indonesian to urbanized to the new capital while still keeping amenities cheap. And unlike Brasilia, Egypt's and South Korean's new capital. Most Indonesian believe a new capital is necessary and more willing to resettle there for their own economic incentives.

[@lisk3822]

Where will all the people go? This is tragic.

[@user-he8ws1wy6r]

Equatorial Guinea is constructing a new capital city, too, away from their previous one malabo that is not located in the mainland

[@nuguskhalifa9365]

Equatorial guinea has a tiny population of 1 Million citizens 600tausend foreigners/guest workers they have enough space

[@echarts3710]

Basically Jakarta-Nusantara will become what Istanbul and Ankara became. Ankara was a town with 20k-60k population until the declaration of republic in Turkey when it was declared as the capital instead of Istanbul due to having a very central location with a linked transportation system. Nowadays, even though Istanbul is still the largest province with 15 million people, Ankara's population got increased to 5 million in a century.

[@adam_isme]

as Indonesian living in the UK, i appreciate you for making content about Indonesia. Also UK Gov should consider to move the capital from London to a (preferably) new city in Norhumberland, if not Durham is a good candidate. 🤣🤣🤣

[@sonneh86]

Or the Falklands lol

[@KonradvonHotzendorf]

Or British Antarctic territory They can huddle for warmth with the🐧

[@kth6736]

England's capital shoild be Islamabad. Just like pakistans capital.

[@richarddawkins4607]

or change the name to L0ndonistan

[@diraputrya7672]

Bang apa benar warga asli inggris yg ada di kota selain london,katanya mereka pada males pergi ke london?

[@sirshauniv511]

I think the bigger question is why the trend of building new capital cities. First Egypt, now this?

[@notusneo]

Well old capitals getting overpopulated is one of the reason i guess

[@houseplant1016]

Indonesia has a legitimate reason, Egypt is just another insecure dictator who wants a megaproject. The Egyptians built like 4 other "capitals" in the desert, that failed completely.

[@ShubhamMishrabro]

​@@bobbyd.roberson5588bs reason

[@user-fi2fk2ei7o]

Indonesia new capital idea is much more older and more make sense

[@TreyMessiah95]

@@momytikI mean All major cities in the west are Slums lol

[@kevincronk7981]

I don't think it's fair to include the US in the list of countries that did something similar. Yes, New York was the biggest city and one of the temporary capitals, but was replaced by DC which was built in a swamp simply to be the capital (I'm from DC I can confirm that's still all it is), but that was a few years imto the country's existence, very different from Egypt where Cairo has been the capital for an extremely long time or other countries like Indonesia and Brazil where the current capital has been the capital for much or all of the history of the country

[@nderitos]

Also Brasilia has not been the capital of Brazil for long (since the 1950's), that was Rio de Jeneiro. Neither has Cairo been the the longest lasting in Egypt. Both Memphis and Alexandria have been Egypt's capitals in the past for over 1000 years

[@kevincronk7981]

@nderitos yeah I know Cairo hasn't been Egypt's capital for long on Egyptian timescales, but on normal timescales it's been a long time

[@jesseberg3271]

If you look at commenters here from Indonesia, they point out that plans for a new capital actually do date back to just after independence, making the comparison with The District much more apt.

[@grantorino2325]

Halfway between the beaches, where everybody goes................. .............and the jungles, where nobody goes........ *¡¡¡¡BRASILIA!!!!*

[@doujinflip]

​Right, Indonesia was supposed to move its capital to Palangka Raya soon after independence, and got Soviet aid to start construction. However the move got interrupted by the 1965 anticommunist military coup, and the city ended up as just the provincial capital for Central Kalimantan instead.

[@jasper265]

Did anyone else think of Mass Effect's presidium when seeing those artist impressions?

[@phoebus86]

It is interesting in how many big cities are built in swamps or any other unstable ground.

[@lzh4950]

Maybe more people settled there as the land there is more fertile for farming, &/or near bays/ports for shipping & trade

[@westonhardy2404]

The new city looked like a low budget theme Park 😂

[@muhammadhabibieamiro3639]

A Indonesia video this will be interesting

[@paijo313]

for clever indonesians, NO NEED TO MOVE...keep it in JAKARTA...JAKARTA SAVEs NO SİNKİNG!

[@alloallie]

Building a purpose-built capital is normally done to decongest a previous capital. On one end, Nusantara can be a Brasilia or Washington DC, cities that have grown to be the third and ninth largest metro areas of their countries. Or, it can go Canberra, a place that's still relatively sparsely populated. We'll have to see how it goes.

[@ErnestJay88]

Most of Indonesian support New Capital City even the opposition, but most people also criticize why the cost is too construct Nusantara is too expensive even compare to highly developed cities nearby in East Borneo like Balikpapan and Samarinda, opposition parties accuse that Nusantara project is full of corruption and bribery, that's why the budget is overwhelmingly huge.

[@xdgamesCoUk]

Lol twitter was more expensive than their capital city 🫠

[@ronzac55]

that is a very interesting point of view hahaha

[@muhamadrafipamungkas4465]

I never think of it that way, if this was the slogan every Indonesian gonna agree to build it 🤣

[@zarkasiasnawi3832]

Yeah jakarta gdp is 300 billion, can make 30 city of this 😂

[@juanpisente7464]

Please note that Jokowi's pro-Nusantara successors have said that the government's plan moving from Jakarta to Nusantara does not mean that Jakarta's flooding problems will be abandoned as BOTH could occur at the same time and are NOT mutually exclusive. Currently on the ground, the government is outsourcing the solutions for Jakarta's flooding problem to the private sector as the private sector has better efficiency and reputation.

[@redpanda3339]

If we rush it? Yes.

[@SimpleGeopolitics24]

Big project like Egypt did with "the new Cairo", but Indonesian economy is much better.

[@SOCNV]

Not exactly they're heavily in Chinese Debt so not exactly a good economy ask any Indonesian

[@SimpleGeopolitics24]

@@SOCNV Higher than the Egyptian economy. Nor does it have huge debts like Egypt. Egypt receives loans from the World Bank to purchase wheat.

[@thaaghsn44]

​@@SOCNV no

[@firdaus99031]

​@@SOCNVnot exactly. most funds are coming from singapore either by loan or investment, not china (china merely second/third biggest)

[@tsubadaikhan6332]

Poor Egypt is also suffering Wars to it's North and South, dealing with refugees from both, and they rely on Ukraine and Russia for a lot of their grain. Also the Ethiopians are considering filling their new Millennium Dam during Sudan's War which would stifle the Nile for at least 2 years. Indonesia has some headwinds, Egypt's at the edge of the abyss.

[@doxiadis7122]

Really hopes that TLDR would cover the upcoming Indonesian Election! The current situation is really messy with Jokowi's latest statement about neutrality and I think this issue will attract great attention from your audience.

[@michaelsimarmata5880]

Its funny in last year when people assumes that Jokowi will support Ganjar and every one is cheering for him Saying things like "We follow Jokowi" by choosing Ganjar And here we are with people crying like a bitch just because he supports another one🤣

[@ariapinandita9240]

Yups... Anies Baswedan (caliphate supported by the United States and Yemeni descendants/habib), Prabowo (military supported by the current president since his son became Prabowo's vice president), and Ganjar Pranowo (nationalist)

[@michaelsimarmata5880]

@@ariapinandita9240 from that comment alone I can tell you support 03:v

[@ariapinandita9240]

@@michaelsimarmata5880 Let all things flourish, whether graceful, or malign...

[@kawaiikoto8800]

​@@michaelsimarmata5880 03 is pretty bad too. He is basically a political servant/puppet to the current ruling party which is known to be more and more corrupt and lazy the longer they rule. Oh and the party head is also the granddaughter of the first president. Basically all the things that plague growing nation politics. Nepotism, cronies, corruption, bribes, stuff like that.

[@CARL_093]

i m happy to Indonesia bec jakarta is over populated a new capital project now can be open

[@ThienHoang-tr3dh]

I think Indonesia move its capital to its largest island Kalimatan will be better for the future of Indonesian nation. First of all, there are more people will move to Kalimanta and reduce the population of Java island Second, Kalimanta will be better for security and defense.

[@joaquimdantas63]

We, and by "we" I mean our Brazilian government, did it once. In the astonishing short period of just four years from 1956-1960, at the estimated cost of, according to the World Bank, equivalent 100 billions of nowadays US dollars (which by the way, ruined the Brazilian Federal Treasury and caused also an yearly 50% percent inflation rate) with the same stated goals (indeed, almost word by word duplication) of the present Indonesian government, we built a new capital, Brasília, transfering the seat of our government from Rio de Janeiro, aggravating its (Rio's) problems and sending it in a downward spiral from which barely sixty-four years latter Rio never really recovered. The results of this decision of creating from nothing a new Brazilian capital, were to say the least, "mixed". And it is not a policy or public measure whose adoption and thorough implementation mostly of us, Brazilians (the main exceptions being, of course, the permanent inhabitants of Brasília, people born there and also the people of the surrounding region, that is, all of them direct beneficiaries of the transferring of the capital) would heartily or rationally recommend. I hope the Indonesian people will be more sensible than we, Brazilians, were during the late years of the 1950 decade.

[@versev0]

It's good but the timing to fully move by 2045 is still too short the budget is better for solving other problems And just slowly

[@va_sirberpasir9708]

As Indonesian and resident of Jakarta. It might be troubleaome road for new capital. But in my view the change is must, Jakarta is just no longer viable as capital of the state. It just have too many problem as is. The city governor seems disinterested to fix the problem because they're too spoiled coz they used to central goverment fix the City problem with state budget instead billions allocated to the city goverment.

[@snowyconfession]

Oh yes, as Indonesian, I can tell you it would be a huge disaster, at least economically. Not only because we don't have enough funds (worsened because of pandemic), the existing funds were already corrupted. Indonesian people already faced the effects with increasing in prices, tax and gasolines. I don't mind the tax increase, I mind about the corruptions. And it's hard to prove due too many, way too many, officials and people in them. Imagine a big mafia organizations rulling a country. That's Indonesia and it's mafia-like corruptors. I'm sick of this country, but I also love it so much. It's in my blood no matter where I am. I can only teach my kids to never do any unlaw acts.

[@sanjoe7265]

Still jakarta stands as the largest city in the whole southern hemisphere..

[@merxc]

Because Jakarta is overcrowded and sinking. No earthquakes and volcanic activity also helps. Plus, it would be geographically more central than the current capital. Saved 10 minutes of your time

[@Vernardo]

But you don't specifically provide the actual reason why they decided to relocate on another territory.

[@soundscape26]

Yes, if I had the same micro attention span as you.

[@asantaraliner]

​@@Vernardo They chose Kalimantan because there's no earthquake and volcano. The location that was chosen is also in the middle of Indonesia.

[@merxc]

@@soundscape26or maybe just tired of them doing such easy topics and stringing them to ten minutes for ad revenue

[@merxc]

@@Vernardofixed, hope it helps

[@harukrentz435]

Based on latest Election, more than 75% votes went into 2 candidates close to Jokowi (biologically and ideologically) so it's fair to say that more than half of Indonesian population want to see the IKN project continue, including myself as a born and bred Jakartan.

[@VinnieBoombatz374]

As long as the government actually moves there, it will be fine. Corrupt politicians will ensure the money flows into Nusantara.

[@fajartiyarabdulmajid7807]

Development using local national vendor and using cement,stell from locally...not using dollar but rupiah...35 billion in rupiah are small amount with divide into 20 years just 1,5 billion anually....remember our annual budget about 200 billion dollars

[@hendrx]

They are building a car centric "green city" in a rainforest

[@greencat9150]

it’s not rainforest, but industrial forest for making paper

[@DevSarman]

Not only that, but the so called new captal city is also the epitome of fake economic and development growth of Indonesia It's nothing except a vanity project liek Dubai and New Egypt capital project with zero benefit for ordinary citizens. The whole so called "Java-centric" policy of Indonesia has never been an issue and doesn't need a fix, this vanity project is nothing but fixing something that is not broken

[@infernozeronityclan5850]

Lord born as an Indonesian too early

[@HarunRaffael]

Laaame. This video isn't a treatment. It's a mere introductory chapter, with no substance following. The moment I think "now the interesting part has to begin" it's already over.

[@timor64]

Loving the David Cameron autobiography next to the huge phallic cactus. I hope you picked it up at a remainder sale for £5 or less

[@sevengrandbastion2724]

Fun fact: Java population is much bigger than entire Russia. So there is that....

[@KonradvonHotzendorf]

Well the Russians have vodka Men don't get old

[@hasinabegum1038]

Not much bigger

[@cek0792]

@@hasinabegum1038 Java is smaller than Japan or Britain. Being Javanese, I haven't experienced rural areas like the US, Russia, Canada, Australia, etc. Rural areas of massive countries.

[@hanrianangga2608]

No shit

[@hasinabegum1038]

@@cek0792Bangladesh has Same population density as java

[@coolbanana165]

Just seems like people complain about anything. If you develop a cure for cancer, or the automation of work, and a bunch of subhumans will say its a problem.

[@fahvm4362]

Jakarta is business center, while Nusantara is Capital City.

[@m9017t]

The country where you get less jail time for poaching endangered species vs smoking a plant.

[@joey3080]

As Neighboring Malaysia, we support Indonesia action to build new capital, its about time to move before it sink deeper and too late.

[@RidzkiSamsulhadi]

The many positive possibilities of a more equal Indonesia worth the risk of moving the capital city to Nusantara. It's a better high risk-high reward investment opportunity than keeping things in Jakarta as it is.

[@ZeroDarkness-]

One of reason why capital city been move definitely because that earthquake vault underneath of it Baribis vault or you say "Sesar baribis"

[@sirarthur6463]

New video from TLDR Global news

[@versev0]

I'm Indonesian and biggest red flag is that government didn't want to open about investment data the 2024 moving surely will fail to meet schedule

[@nuguskhalifa9365]

The island java smaller than England has 150 Million people 😱😱

[@renditio7258]

The controversy goes deeper when you know that the Jokowi's son is campaigning for vice president. A new bill has been issued stating that the vice president will be in charge of Jakarta. So its Soeharto all over again

[@MatthewShane]

issued, its not getting implemented

[@Oneiroi0]

After I checking it, I think it's just the usual politic war to between political party. Nothing too big but nothing too small either.

[@zee9709]

just don't vote him? if you vote him than its your people fault 😂

[@wonkagaming8750]

How does this corelate to suharto? Gibran is jokowi's son but he need to be elected first if he is elected than its democracy at work

[@kudajingkrak4919]

Jokowi is a good man, he is great President.. I don't mind if his son become his successor. Suharto is corrupt mass murderer evil dictator leader. The exact opposite of Jokowi.

[@khaen-tw9yw]

Instead of building jarkata. We spend to invest in a useless forest with little to no port access nor roads!

[@chaca937]

anda kurang update😂😂😂

[@chaca937]

anda bisa tulis dikolom pencarian dengan beberapa kata kunci😂😂 IKN update 😂 IKN port, IKN Air port, IKN hotel, IKN Nusantara City, IKN toll Road dan banyak lagi😂

[@joMan1060]

dumbest comment i have ever read

[@Parakas15]

Well Australia had to build a new capital. Melbourne would never have accepted Sydney as Capital and Sydney would never have accepted Melbourne as Capital. SO they had to build a new one so the federation would actually work. Also it allows right wing politicians to engage in Canberra bashing to drum up support without out actually affecting their electoral prospects.

[@abcddef2112]

I mean the province next door Central Kalimantan's capital was planned city, Palangkaraya was supposedly the new indonesian capital inaugurated by Sukarno.

[@hanrianangga2608]

Sydney is the capital of Australia. Fuck Melbourne

[@thiagosussekind214]

Indonesian people should read about the construction of Brasília, here in Brazil, in 1960. I’m amazed with the similarities in both criticism and reasoning for a new capital.

[@bots102]

1:28 So obviously the cheapest and fastest way to prevent Jakarta from sinking is to ban illegal well and stop relying on underground water. But the government did nothing and choose to abandon Jakarta instead, I wonder why?

[@cikicikibumbum259]

Java, the small island, is home to a population larger than russian people. And borneo the largest Island in Indonesia is basically underpopulated. it is obvious where this plan is heading toward. It aims to relocate people and reduce overpopulation problems in Java island in the long run, hopefully. 140 millions people (most of them non javan native emigrant) on the small island would be disastrous, think about natural disaster, nuclear war, separatism. The sinking problem is just a trigger if not an excuse.

[@jhrdailies]

Don't you know that the whole Java Island is actually already on a Clean Water crisis? (Due to the issue of its being over populated).. The whole problem is more complicated than what you thought man 🙂

[@izalabdulaz]

Because our government is not serious about making large-scale investments in the field of providing clean water. Most of the clean water processing in Indonesia is managed by district or city governments, most of which have limited funds and many problems such as dirty water or not flowing.

[@jhrdailies]

for sure, but that doesn't mean it's always a case for a solution.. It might be a solution for a time... but in the end.. other problem corelated with it showed up and it just.. keep going and never end.. It's like a devil circle already ;) So the right thing to do is to actually make an even diffrent move, a solution for core of the problem that will eventually reverse.. tip down all this chain of bad situation into a chain of good situation. and ya know what I mean here ;)

[@aldyftl]

Jakarta wasn’t build over swamp, you’re confused with bangkok😂

[@Danboo21531]

So they move the capital from Jakarta as Jakarta is suffering from water scarcity related complications but they move it to an area which catchment historically suffers from water scarcity 🤣 there’s a city downstream from Nusantara called Balikpapan with regular pipe water service shutdown for days (even weeks) whenever their reservoir ran dry. Other option would be to pipe it from Mahakam river behind the hill, with limited upstream flowrate but polluted and partially saline downstream.

[@navyreviewer]

Fast fact. The number of capital cities built in swamps is actually staggering. Washington, London, Tokyo, Mexico city, Moscow, and the list goes on. It's actually kind of bizarre.

[@Raven28Pisces]

as Indonesian myself, my concern is on nature, because they're literally don't care... if they even do, how could they rejuvenate and recover the green area? 🐙

[@alt1f4]

🐙🐙🐙

[@leonardowynnwidodo9704]

sama bro. I worry that the construction of the city will degrade what little forest cover we have left in Kalimantan, and Indonesia in general

[@cringe_lord5762]

Theres already some flood issue on kalimantan because the forest are deforestation

[@pustakarileks7404]

​@@leonardowynnwidodo9704that's why we must keep monitors, Govt said the concept is green city, let's monitors and validate it when sustainability eco-city can keep the forest growths

[@abcddef2112]

Rather than monoculture of foreign plant (eucalyptus pallita)? They already introduce like 40 different species of plants in Mentawir nursery. If you live near the area they will even give u trees for free.

[@hahhsshs]

Indonesia has not only moved its capital city but also global business competition between countries.Such as America, England, France, Germany, Netherlands, Russia, Japan, China, South Korea and others,And Indonesia is also a place of global competition for people all over the world to get the opportunity to achieve success both in terms of business, athletes, artists, KZbinrs and others.There are millions of foreigners living in Indonesia such as the Netherlands, Germany, Australia, France, America, England, South Korea, Japan and others.

[@ryomenyuuji]

Jakarta lost 7B just because of traffic every year, buikd new capital with 33B it means u avoid 5 years traffic in jkt. 😂😂

[@abhisekdas435]

What happened to Karachi after Pakistan made Islamabad the capital will happen to Jakarta ....and that is very bad

[@joMan1060]

Indonesia is not Pakistan.. Unlike Pakistan, Indonesian develop things properly,

[@kanekomoeka7490]

The government not even discussed the creation of new capital with public. No academic study also involved, thus this makes new capital as a totally political move.

[@Hey1234Hey]

30cm per year. HOLY SHIT

[@abcddef2112]

Thats old figure like a decade ago old by ITB study but seems to be kept used by western journalists for bombastic news, its also on some North Jakarta area. Its more like 6 cm for the latest figure.

[@iambicpentakill971]

@@abcddef2112 Thank you

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

0:44 is Kalimantan not Borneo

[@muhamadrafipamungkas4465]

I believe Kalimantan as an Island is recognized as Borneo Island in English language

[@sayfolman7752]

Both Are Same Just Different Country Calling Indonesia Call It Kalimantan ,While Malaysia Called It Borneo

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

​@@muhamadrafipamungkas4465 f*uk coroniallis

[@flowertowerrr]

next forest city

[@Unknown22539]

the congestion issue is getting better more public transit like the massive MRT and jabodebek LRT aswell as the recently finished politically unpopular chinese HSR and several toll road projects

[@garrettfamily3675]

I would love a TLDR GOOD channel that was just a bunch of positive stories. Maybe deeper dives into the good news tacked on to the end of the daily briefing.

[@Hovite_Wanderer]

Konfrontasi has moved from a military maneuver to a political one. Indonesia has not given up.

[@yux.tn.3641]

Indonesians, you guys should have just picked Balikpapan as the new capitals it is already very wealthy on Borneo/Kalimantan

[@perturabo7825]

It really seems like to me the government is building the new capital as a way to not have to deal with the problems facing Jakarta. How about instead of investing billions in a new capital you use it to build the city some proper water infrastructure to get rid of the problematic wells?

[@gorilladisco9108]

By moving capital somewhere far away, most of the problem in Jakarta will be moved away too (to the new city, that is 🥴). Jakarta will lost its magnet for people, hence it will lost significant portion of its residents, and it will become just another Java's coastal city comparable to Semarang and Surabaya, which also built over swamp land but do not experience sinking lands. It won't heal the sinking lands, but it won't make it worse either.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

Before the govt decide to move capital out they already took a 15 year long feasibility studies and the worst part is by keeping Jakarta as the capital while put the entire city underwent a very massive overhauls she needed include overhaul the water instalations (which i'm 1000% sure they would not going to place it on the slum areas to discourage further squatters) then the overall cost would be 10 times bigger than build the new capital altogether since by moving the capital out from Jakarta any person that would sat as the governor would not going have to run into the endless nightmare of bureaucracy if he/she wants to overhaul the city. Less bureaucratic nightmare, fewer costs.

[@muhammadagungwibowo3068]

​​​@@gorilladisco9108 it's practically a myth with how Rio de Janiero still compacted as ever though Brasilia was built as the new capital. Moving the capital would increase government efficiency, but wouldnt solve the population problem right away. Historical wise, they just make it worse. The sinking land caused by the overexploitation of groundwater. The soil lost its masses, hence the land is sinking. The overpopulation and not enough water catchment area are mainly the problems.

[@wile123456]

No trains and trams means it won't be a green city and will just be a UAE like dystopia city

[@chaca937]

Ada kereta Listrik otomatis😂 anda kurang update

[@joMan1060]

you clearly dont know the new capital city feature there will be public transport

[@nafialvaro9035]

Personally as indonesian this sound like a really stupid idea i mean is doing nothing to help jakarta infrastucture problems and this just made the goverment look like there running from domestic issue back in jakarta also it doesnt help that nusantara is being run like some sorta dictatorship

[@wonkagaming8750]

Personally as an indonesian this is a great idea to lift the burden on jakarta and making more central means capital more attention outside of java and more toward other regipns finally moving away to the "java centric" moniker

[@marhaenthemchannelreupload1344]

Udah lu diem aja, orang luar Jawa mana paham !!!

[@kijangberburu5991]

Indonesia isn't just about jakarta, Indonesia is everything that's stretches out from sabang to merauke.

[@anaskhoiri3653]

​@@marhaenthemchannelreupload1344Java is Overpopulation just Hardliner Conservatif does'nt care this problem

[@zaki4418]

@@wonkagaming8750 Karena solusi dari masalah infrastruktur di Indonesia yang tidak tersebar rata ke pulau lain adalah membuat sebuah istana megah di tengah hutan Kalimantan… bukan projek pemerataan pembangunan industri di pulau-pulau yang kurang maju, solusi dangkal untuk orang-orang berotak dangkal

[@Vernardo]

I mean if Jakarta wasn't the only cities in Indonesia to face this sinking situation, will other cities facing this similar problem as well?

[@bababababababa6124]

To be fair Nusantara will be built farther inland so it may not see this issue

[@doxiadis7122]

Yes! Several cities in the north coast of Java such as Semarang and Pekalongan also face similar problem and the current government do not take any action to solve the problem.

[@Oneiroi0]

That's not the central government fault tho, it's the governor and mayors problem. Btw, If the central government even getting heavy resistance when moving the Capital(from one of the candidates and their party) what do you expect them to do? t​@@doxiadis7122

[@abcddef2112]

Yes on northern java coast because these lands were originally sedimentation from mountains.

[@abcddef2112]

@@doxiadis7122They do its currently under construction, Demak semarang toll road which also functions as a sea wall.

[@Enseaclopedia]

Moving Indonesia's Capital is planned even in the Dutch colonial era in early 20th Century. They planned to move the capital from Batavia (now Jakarta) to Bandung. Then there's 1st president plan to move to Palangkaraya. Then there's 2nd president plan to move governmental center to Jonggol. Nusantara would at least finished the Palace construction before August 17th this year for independence ceremony. The city itself won't be finished for the next 10-20 years. In that time there'll always be development & construction to build new buildings. Do your research better.

[@mam0lechinookclan607]

Citys develop naturally, to build whole preplaned citys doesnt have a good historic track record.

[@theconqueringram5295]

Sounds like they should have spent more money on Jakarta's infrastructure...

[@muhamadrafipamungkas4465]

I do not agree with this project, but I think the approach that you suggest only gonna cause a wider socio-economic disparity between Jakarta and other regions, hence causing more people to flock to Jakarta, and the circle continue.

[@anaskhoiri3653]

Flood and Congestion cost more when Tsunami Hits gonna be like Beirut 50% GDP is Gone

[@fauzanriez9472]

Malaysia had done the same thing some 25 years ago. Moving government operations to new administrative city known as Putrajaya from Kuala Lumpur. Together with an all new international airport, the move succeeded to reduce the road congestions back then along with pollution and rising house rentals. Of course now KL is congested again with millions of new vehicles added since then. At least, the country had planned to prevent the scenario from getting bad to worse.

[@haruyanto8085]

Shouldve done what Singapore did, limit the number of cars and invest in walkability and public transport

[@steph6723]

The capital should have been Balikpapan instead of making a new one , a big mistake

[@dri1811ya]

Balikpapan is actually already a pretty nice place to live. And not far from Nusantara. Of course less opportunity for corruption if it's an existing city.

[@anaskhoiri3653]

But Samarinda and Balikpapan going be Nusantara Metro in Future if this Capital Project Success Both City Gonna be Tanggerang and Bogor

[@joMan1060]

its a great chocie, Balikpapan is already have theior own problem, making new capital there just do nothing but add more problems to balikpapan this new capital will elevate problems from otehr cities surrounding it

[@WilliamCarterII]

To be fair, that's how Washington DC is administered too lol

[@RiRian-cw7pr]

Hi, I have been watching your content since you covered Brexit a long time ago. I am amazed by the concise yet intensively well-researched information you provide in your videos. Thanks for the TL;DR team for covering Indonesia. 🇮🇩 ❤ 🇬🇧

[@nezukoshop]

but there are some misinformation he said in the video 😂😂😂.

[@GreasyFox]

The concern is the ecological damage of the numerous indigenous species of flora and fauna in Borneo island.

[@Andrinur01]

Itu hutan industri yang akan ditebang setiap 7 tahun sekali, liat di foto hanya ada satu jenis pohon yang sama disekitar proyek. Maaf saya jawab dengan bahasa Indonesia

[@herihachiro]

there are no indigenous species of flora or fauni within area, we built it in a industrial forest

[@kolonglangitMu]

I heard New Santara 😅

[@theentitledsiriowlsx]

Having a capital in Borneo can be good for Indonesia but what did you need to rush? Building with extremely limited time can lead to a disaster waiting to happen. Also, I hope that the capital IS the only one that builds there, and no more extensive urbanization beyond the agreed border. Let's keep Borneo green.

[@anonimtanpanama3012]

If the reason is only sinking city, then Jakarta can easily be moved towards inland. There are plenty of area more than 500m above sea level not very far within 100 km only.

[@matmotor7572]

Eventually its the willingness of the people to move to the new capital city. This is not something that can be acheived overnight. its a gradual process of development. I am sure Indonesia will make it like Putrajaya in Malaysia.

[@ilhamrj2599]

as for me, an Indonesian, I am not a big supporter of this Nusantara project …, because in a wake of this project (and also FEB2024 General election, and its possible runoff election), the central government increased taxation. LOL…. This 2024 tax year hit me especially hard, it increased my monthly income tax deduction for the first eleven months in 2024, despite being sort of “reimbursed” in December. But, still it impacted my cashflow planning for the first eleven months tremendously 😂. I wish the government doin this wisely, because most other governments who did this capital relocation project almost certainly fell into economical crisis or stagnation for years before bouncing back. Thats what our government failed to inform many Indonesians… and as for Indonesians, we are crazy about development, and so bad for future financial planning. Thats why we descended into economical chaos back in 1960s, and 1998. We printed money like crazy to indulge the government spending. I guess history repeated itself.😅

[@ignatiusryd2031]

The worries about another economic crisis would not affecting much since the current economic condition in Indonesia is far better compared in 1960's or 1998 tho

[@junirenjana]

​​@@ignatiusryd2031 I agree that we're in much stronger economic condition nowadays. I think a better argument against this project is not that it will trigger a crisis, but that it eats up money (from national budget) that can be invested more effectively somewhere else. E.g. if it's about economic development in outer islands, industrial areas (with good planning) focusing on each of the regions' potentials may arguably be more impactful than just moving the administrative center.

[@junirenjana]

Ultimately it's a matter of priority. Moving the capital city, while undoubtedly would be historic, is mainly a symbolic undertaking, and thus sits pretty down the list of priority in my opinion. At least not until the basic infrastructure have been developed equally throughout the outer islands (not just the vicinity of the would-be capital city!)

[@junirenjana]

Also to make it clear: personally I don't see that big of a problem with the actual project (except some minor details) and would gladly support it once the ideal conditions are met. There's no urgency to finish it as soon as possible; if there's no investment yet then so be it, it doesn't hurt to wait for a couple more decades to build a city from scratch, rather than forcing our citizens to pay for it through the national budget.

[@ignatiusryd2031]

@@junirenjana The problem is, Kalimantan is growing fast thanks to the construction of the new capital city in there gave a huge incentives to the entire island to grow with tons of major ongoing project such as Trans-Kalimantan railway and Trans-Kalimantan highway. Had the island did not got that kind of incentives anyone can see that Kalimantan would kept grow slightly behind the already overpopulated Java island.

[@mrviniful]

I think I never saw this channel saying anything positive about any global south country

[@shamshulanuar7718]

I am from Malaysia Malaysia built a new administrative centre ,Putrajaya and it was ompleted in 1999 But Kuala Lumpur remains the capital Putrajaya is new administrative city.

[@sobhansarthak6000]

Why not just develop another already established smaller city as a new capital instead of a fully new one?

[@ronzac55]

That is what it is doing, the new capital is strategically located between 2 developed cities in the area, one is Banjarmasin, where is the capital of the East Borneo Province and Balikpapan (arguably the most developed city in the Indonesian part of the Borneo Island), where it is a business and oil city with established seaport and international airport. The government chooses Borneo because it is the most stable island in Indonesia in terms of geologi activity like Earthquake, tsunami or vulcanic eruptions. The island itself is also shared by 2 other friendly countries, that are Malaysia and Brunei Darussalam, so it is regionally important.

[@darnit1944]

Building a city from scratch can be better than fixing a broken city. Like the logistics and political pressure to overhaul existing roads and infrastructure. You don't want to be "temporarily moved" in order to improve the infrastructure, right?

[@anaskhoiri3653]

Nusantara is combining Small Districk of North Penajam Paser and Kutai Kertanegara than small city

[@anaskhoiri3653]

Districk is "Kecamatan in English Correct me of I wrong sorry 🙏🙏🙏