Is it finally worth being an iPad artist?

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Snazz up your iPad's screen with Paperlike: paperlike.com/bageldenizen2405

[@HeroG9000]

Yeah I agree I would much rather have a thicker iPad with larger battery and storage

[@jimscard]

The thinness is part of thermal management. If it was thicker, we’d see thermal throttling having to be done, along with other negatives, so I think they made the right choice. As it is, the battery on the 13” is already higher capacity than previous models.

[@Willymaze]

Me too but the M4 is sturdier, lighter, cooler and runs for longer. All thanks to the M4. I have the 2018, 2021 M1 and the new M4, and the new one feels super light.

[@rainpooper7088]

You were the one who caused me to switch to the iPad all the way back in 2018, which really saved my butt during the when our art school labs got shut down, so thanks for that.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

So glad it's working out for you!

[@codygiron7814]

Finding your channel has brightened my day. I’m so tired of listening to talking heads who don’t have the experience that you do as an artist, and tend to spend way more time on the technology and the company that made it. Also, props to your Lavalier microphone taped to, an Apple Pencil.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Technical note! Apparently the nano texture screen is a $100 option, BUT it's only available on the 1TB+ options of iPad Pro- thus the price jump from the base model that I mentioned in the video of $800.

[@maamiimii]

Also you can't use the old apple pencil with the M4. It only works with the Pro or the Usb-C one that doesn't have pressure sensitivity

[@CharacterDesignForge]

@@maamiimii correct, that wasn’t clear in the initial materials.

[@---us7qf]

What I really want to see, is a good/thorough comparison between this and the Wacom 4k. I am looking to get a good tablet for my daughter's digital art work. But all I am seeing are just over-hyped nonsense on KZbin. Will you do such a comparison? Or will you only remain in ipad land?

[@CharacterDesignForge]

@@---us7qf the way this comment is phrased is kind of funny because it’s like “will you buy an entire second expensive drawing product specifically to review for me, despite the specific disclaimer in the video that I am not a tech review channel, or are you just a *fanboy*?” 😆

[@---us7qf]

@@CharacterDesignForge No, no, nothing like that. forget I asked the question.

[@lasagnad2517]

I’ve had Paperlike on my 2020 Ipad pro for about 4 years now and it has only recently started showing any wear. 10/10 would recommend :3

[@shhinysilver1720]

My glass screen protector is so scratched it feels like paper lol. Luckily it’s just the surface coating, and not visible.

[@ashtonphoenyx]

Please. Do not buy that nano textured glass model. Buy a matte screen protector instead. If that screen gets scratched there is nothing you can do about it. A screen protector gives you the same result and protects the screen underneath. It’s just throwing 100 dollars into the fire

[@CharacterDesignForge]

100%- ironically a good ad for Paperlike 😅

[@ashtonphoenyx]

@@CharacterDesignForge I did find that very funny actually 😂

[@GGlovescj]

Thank you for this perspective

[@maravreloaded]

Not just that, those protectors eat your pen tips really fast and an external protector can be replaced

[@HuntingSunder]

I've never enjoyed buying apple products, but its hard to watch so many people effectively using an iPad for all of their digital art and not be enticed. I had a surface pro at one point, but the pen for it has been lost for years.

[@Tonabillity]

The thing is, iPad creatives never cared about who else was being enticed or not. 🤷🏾 We’ve just been having a ball with Procreate, Procreate Dreams, and soon to come - ZBrush!! Our future paradigm has been forever shifted and we’re not looking back!

[@ja0062734]

I'm a die hard android fan but over time more and more, I've been considering getting an iPad for the art apps alone apples pricey but the devices seem worth for the money.

[@simonspethmann8086]

It is definitely worth it, is all I can say. The OS is hell (unless you're a legit UNIX wiz and jailbreak ze living daylight out of this thing), but. But. I use it exclusively for Procreate. It's just so good.

[@Tonabillity]

@@ja0062734 As a character designer, I’m also pricey, but the apps make me worth it as well ❤️‍🔥

[@manis77]

Same here. Idk what they did but it was so much more responsive than my Tab S7. I got an the 3rd gen iPad Pro 12.9 and it has been used nearly every day since I got it. The new ones aren't all the hype, the old ones were incredible at the time and are still great today. ​@@simonspethmann8086

[@mrdarryljones1]

Loving Procreate and Dreams on my M2 IPad Pro! When I started doing TV animation in the 90s, this was truly beyond my imagination!

[@Regantdarcy]

I’m still rocking a 2018 iPad Pro. It replaced my macbook & is the best digital sketchbook there is. I do all my content creation & media consumption on it. Having said that, I may be tempted to finally upgrade for the OLED screen & Apple pencil Pro… but it’s a testament to the longevity of the iPad that if I didn’t, I could still do everything I need on my 6 year old iPad Pro.

[@Artofcarissa]

I got an iPad in 2019 and I’m gonna switch back to photoshop and buying a screen tablet. I don’t draw on the go as much as I thought I do plus I’m finding that iPads have a pretty short shelf life and need to be upgraded frequently. Plus I miss a bunch of functions in Photoshop that aren’t in Fresco or Procreate.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Fair enough! which functions?

[@Artofcarissa]

@@CharacterDesignForge guides, polygonal lasso, magic wand, better interpolation that doesn’t make transforming selections incredibly blurry

[@alpha8here]

​@@Artofcarissa have you considered Clip Studio Paint? It's a really great app for both desktop and tablets

[@Jorda5s]

iPad for art as in photography is more fun than clicking and sitting at a computer so that’s why I use it over my Mac majority of the time.

[@monikamorkeviciute9550]

Which ipad did you get? Looking to upgrade my old air :)

[@Jorda5s]

@@monikamorkeviciute9550 I’m still on a m1 iPad Pro 12.9 I don’t plan to upgrade for a while it does everything I need. 🙂 I do wish I had the hover feature or pencil pro support but not really needed. Depends on what you use your iPad for?

[@monikamorkeviciute9550]

@ apart from media consumption, I do occasionally edit raw pictures in lightroom and affinity photo. Not a pro, more of an enthusiast level. Been using iPad air since 2019 and I can still make it work, but it is getting annoyingly slow. Tempted to get a pro, but leaning more towards 2024 Air as I don’t see myself needing that much power from an iPad when I have a macbook pro.

[@Illuminatic]

I am currently using Ipad Air 2019, and layer limit and sometimes performance are getting quite annoying. My birthday is 2 days before the release on 15th, so I think this is a good time for an update.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Yeah i think any of the M chip Pros open that up wide

[@sloppynyuszi]

The two biggest misses for me that Apple did from an artists perspective, was as you mention, the thickness are lack thereof. The Pencil improvements are lacking. If they integrated a form of EMR so it doesn’t need to charge and added an eraser, it would have been a lot more exciting. The squeeze I’m expecting will distract when I’m just holding the pencil tight, so like tap in gonna disable it. The haptic thing will be distracting. With animation, I feel too many people are sleeping on RoughAnimator, as it’s just so basic and intuitive, and it just has what you need for brainstorming. Then Callipeg is basically a TVpaint alternative at this point. Toonsquiq is also another good one. I think Zbrush will be a rebrand of Forger that Maxon bought a few years back.

[@Tonabillity]

ToonSquid refuses to play my full video animations without choking. Perhaps my iPad is too old 🤷🏾 But Procreate Dreams plays smoothly, despite it’s underdevelopment

[@blackbird3456]

I feel like the eraser at the other end would just be not practical. It’s not something I always want to flip to erase. Though, the double tap for me is just good. And many pen displays don’t have an eraser at the other end of their pencils.

[@GabriellaBalagna]

00:16 i don’t mean this rudely, but more like 8.5 years. The first gen iPad Pro came out Nov 2015. That’s what I still have, and I’m finally upgrading to the new one.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

I remembered having it on a trip that i was sure was 2014, but that makes sense

[@michaelhenriquez1389]

If it hasn't already been mentioned, the reason the pro pencil doesn't work on the previous M2 models, is the new landscape camera location. The internal edge magnets on the M2 are different than the new models just revealed.

[@hufnaaratnaaf]

Where exactly did you get the info that the 2nd gen Apple pencil is working with the M4? I found some info saying the opposite: The second generation Apple Pencil is not compatible with the just-announced new iPad Pro M4 models. The front camera and FaceID sensor array have been relocated from the short-edge to the long-edge of the iPad - such that the camera and sensor array are now positioned top-centre of the screen when the iPad is positioned in Landscape orientation. As such, the camera/sensor array now occupy the internal cavity previously used for the second generation Pencil's inductive pairing/charging system. To accommodate this change, the charging system for the Apple Pencil has been completely redesigned - moving the associated electronics to different cavity locations along the top edge of the iPad chassis. The new Apple Pencil Pro has been specifically designed to accommodate the new physical architecture. As such, the second generation Pencil is incompatible with the new iPad's Pro. Similarly, the new Apple Pencil Pro is also incompatible with earlier models of iPad Pro. Unless it's only info about charging the pencil

[@Oddernod]

Really surprised that the new iPad Air can use the new Pencil Pro - kinda thought they would lock that into the more expensive one.

[@minnami778]

So did I. I always want 12.9 iPad but don’t need the pro feature. This new 13 iPad Air is my dream comes true

[@plexyglass_]

@@minnami778 Watch out for the apple pencil pro! It's unbalanced with weight and hurts my hand when i use it. It made me return the product

[@sylvanshroom]

Paperlike my beloved, been serving me since I got my ipad years ago 💖 Love hearing your perspective as always Brookes!

[@riccia888]

Dont use paperlike it will destroy the tip of your apple pencil.

[@Apticx]

@@riccia888 just get replacement nibs after a while. this happens without a screen protector too. i usually go through one tip every 6-8 months with a matte protector and one tip ever 10-11 months without and a pack of 4 is 25$. thats around 10$ a year. For making it way more comfortable and precise to draw i dont think thats a real downside. also if you dont press super hard it probably wont wear out at all.

[@riccia888]

@@Apticx nah! Im good.

[@Apticx]

@@riccia888 thats fine too

[@mustafa-l1k2e]

@@Apticx the problem that the paper like will kinda ruined and blurr the screen and it is so much important since i use it for watching series and moves thats what make me hestate

[@goudendynamiethd2117]

7:47 Correction: You can NOT use your old Apple Pencil with the new iPad Pro’s.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Interesting. Another example of Pro as a moniker being a little inconsistent. That’s gonna throw some people off.

[@Haregue]

More videos like this please! More in depths of apps available to iPad creatives!!

[@moontravellerjul]

i still have my 2019 11" ipad pro and i was mainly planning to upgrade my ipad for better peformance. the lack of compatibility with the gen 2 apple pencil is a complete dealbreaker, it seems to be a clearly anti-consumer/pro-profit decision, and i'm not copping that cost. i'll have to keep my eyes on the price and availablity of the ipad air and pro models that are being replaced by the new lineup - now i face a deadline for when the third-party retail stock dries up, so hopefully i can get one for a good price before that happens.

[@opti_icecream]

7:23 It's due the the wireless charging array being modified in the newer models of the ipad to accommodate the Landscape camera system.

[@ajprice]

Pencil Pro won't work with older iPads because the charging and magnet setup is different on the M4 Pro. The selfie camera is on the landscape side now in the same place as the old magnet position, so the Pencil Pro is just meant for the iPad (Pro or Air) 2024 magnets. (Edited Pro to Pro or Air on the last line after @PSy84 's correction)

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Makes sense!

[@PSy84]

Pencil Pro also works in m2 iPad Air

[@CharacterDesignForge]

@@PSy84 yep, mentioned that in the video

[@nikolailockertsen]

Another nice video mate😊👍👊

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Thank you man! The new animation you made for the presentation is insane!

[@nikolailockertsen]

@@CharacterDesignForge Thank you very much :-) So much possibilities in with Dreams!

[@tomfoolery-4444]

I'm an Android-and-Windows user, but Procreate does look like a really solid drawing program. I'm looking to get a new tablet for drawing within the next year. Is Procreate worth the switch to iPad, and can I do it without getting entrenched in the entire Apple ecosystem?

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Yeah theres no necessity to get entrenched, you’ll likely just have a slightly less convenient file transfer process

[@tomfoolery-4444]

@@CharacterDesignForge Good to know! I think I can live with that :) Thank you!!

[@SuperDesignguy]

I agree with you about how thin this thing is.. my new 13" pro has a flex when on a flat surface and I'm typing on the screen - doesn't make me feel confident about my purchase. The real problem I have with this is Apple could have put 5 or more different features, or improved features into this iPad BEFORE worrying about how thin it is. It just isn't something anyone really wanted. I would have rather had a 20% larger battery, or more options for grips/tips with the Apple Pencil, better speakers, larger screen option!!, or software enhancements. But how thin it is? I never once thought yeah "hope the new iPad is as thin as 4 credit cards" - I don't understand Apple 90% of the time. I really don't. Probably why the iPad is the only Apple product I have these days.

[@JTMC93]

The Apple Pencil Pro thankfully works on the new Air. Though it really depends on what specs you need. My biggest concern is heat given that I do a lot with 3d and such, and the M2 iPad Pros overheated horribly. The reason the Pencil Pro isn't backward compatible was that the camera repositioning required a redesign of the magnetic charging/linking function in both the tablet and pencil.

[@foxmccloud9609]

I was trying to get into digital art, but it is headache trying to figure out some stuffs...

[@devinsauls3568]

I didn't know there was an app to Do A Barrel Roll! 😂

[@wheelerbertrand]

Definitely nice to hear an artist's take on stuff like this. I do want to note something. I use CSP for my art and while yes they did start a subscription model, you CAN still buy it once and not pay another cent, and UNLIKE Adobe, you don't need a constant internet connection to use it. While I'm not thrilled CSP started a subscription model, again, you CAN still buy CSP once and never again, you just get the newest features sooner via the sub model, once you go from full version to full version it's the same as before. It's also usable on the iPad, too, and as Brookes said, your familiarity with your tools can often supersede any notable improvements elsewhere. I've used CSP ever since I went digital 4 years ago and despite going the sub model, as long as you can buy it outright and can wait on new features between full versions, it's my main program for the foreseeable future. I know another artist who had the same assumption, and I while I don't comment here as much as I'd like, I wanted to set the record straight on this front. IMHO, CSP is still an ETERNITY better than Adobe, esp. for non-iPad users like me. On that front, part of why I've wanted an iPad for years is because I wanted to try Procreate after hearing so many great things about it here and from other artists I know, so a desktop ver. would certainly be nice for those of us who can't yet make the investment in an iPad and all you'll need for it to just draw. I just started getting into animation myself, but I'm merely testing the waters, freelance digital art is my main focus right now, and while skill matters WAY more than tools, tools are cool and can help to some extent.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Ah that's good to know! Most other one times that moved into subscriptions did away with their one time versions

[@wheelerbertrand]

@@CharacterDesignForge Yeah, I was so worried after many artist friends convinced me to get CSP when I went digital, but they were smart to not go there, and may it stay that way. I have enough monthly payments as it is. LOL I love working in CSP a lot so I'm glad they didn't go as far as Adobe.

[@Jerry_quesoso]

I come from the PC side and CSP is my software of choice, bought an iPad for the sake of Procreate but... I didn't like it haha. PC spoiled me so bad with the UI, keyboard shortcuts and 16inch display tablet. Procreate, sadly is too minimalist for my taste, the stabilizer felt way different from what I'm used to and lack of hovering throws me so bad. My hot take, Procreate carries the iPad so hard. Infinite Painter and CSP simple mode have been doing an amazing job in my iPad. If you ask me, I'd personally look into the Android side. Banger screen, can use any stylus, desktop UI (only Samsung as far as I'm aware) and on top of that you can connect it to a new dedicated display tablet thanks to USB-C.

[@GabriellaBalagna]

When I visit Clip Studio Paint’s website it says the serial number for a one-time purchase can NOT be used on iPhone or iPad. I wish it could, as I hate subscription based services too.

[@disinfectedape1808]

You can buy it once on PC(NOT mobile) and the app needs internet to verify every 1-2 weeks. This was never the case in V1 of CSP.

[@ed61730]

This has been the first as a wacom user i've thought about getting an ipad and pencilpro. So good. Yeah the thinness is really bad. How is sidecar these days? Does it work as well as say a wacom in photoshop?

[@sloppynyuszi]

I’m curious with the new version, but my iPad Pro M1 with my Mac Studio is anything to go buy… no.

[@ed61730]

@@sloppynyuszi Thanks! Think i'll just stick with wacom for now :)

[@Apticx]

sidecar works amazing and pretty much with no latency. but there is a decrease in resolution. so its not gonna look ideal. there is photoshop on ipad tho which works surprisingly well

[@greydef]

Light wave is coming back… Maybe they could’ve focused on the iPad, I think it will be hard to convince people to pivot back to it on computers with current 3D app landscape.

[@l3afy_x]

can you use apple pencil 2 on the newest ipad air? i really wanna buy the 13 inch but don't wanna buy the new pencil if possible

[@plexyglass_]

No you can't, and i don't recommend the new pencil, it's unbalanced with weight and hurts my hand. Apple pencil 2 all the way up!

[@ZeroTorySeats]

You can use Pencil Pro on the new iPad Air. Confusingly named

[@jimscard]

Why confusing? Air is lighter than plain iPad. Pro is lighter and most powerful.

[@jbavar32]

It was interesting to find out your 3d experience involved Lightwave, one of my old fav applications. However I transitioned to Modo many years ago and found it much more user friendly than anything i’ve used in the past. I was surprised when I saw that Blender literally stole Modo’s UI a few years ago. That said though blender is free I still like Modo. 😊

[@minseokwon6484]

I started digital art experience with ipad and xp pens, and I got wacom intuos pro after I got into school and now I just don't want to go back to drawing in ipad, I don't know why people wants to escape the wacom + pc environment to much. I use krita for painting, animating and it's just awesome!

[@williammclean6594]

For me I would do a lot more drawing. If I didn't have to sit at my desk. I need the desktop or hook up a tablet to a laptop. I much prefer an iPad for ergonomic to be able to draw anywhere. If they made laptops that were like tablets that you could just draw on them then I would use that

[@RicexXxSalt]

Same, never had an Apple product but the iPad looks tempting for the portability + horsepower + amazing pen

[@andreasoberg2021]

The portability often sounds nicer than it is. You may not atcually draw in the sofa or on the buss etc as much as you think. For me the boggest benefit is how well the pen connects and how fast it updates. I do not get the feeling with my wacom

[@RicexXxSalt]

@@andreasoberg2021 I spend two hours everyday on a train, I also travel a lot because of my work. So I draw a lot on the go. I love my surface pro 4 but that thing is HEAVY. My left arm gets really tired after holding it for a while, even on my lap. Also it's dying and I can't even use Photoshop on it any more 🤦‍♀️

[@andreasoberg2021]

I think the new ipad will be perfect for you. I think much better than surface pro. The connection with the brush and surface is incredible on ipad. The smaller is lighter so it may be an alternative. Also cheaper

[@tridek1949]

I love the interface and innovative workflow in dreams. If they just added Reference layers for coloring and a lasso tool for adjusting compositions than I'd never touch another app.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

anxiously awaiting the same!

[@ZeroHart]

They had to make it thinner to sell new Keyboard and other accesories. I would have preferred same thickness and better battery and heat dissipation and make the use of the new keyboard an option. Also I would have like the apple pencil connection to be moved to the side of the ipad instead using the same magnets so that the pencil could be used on previous models.

[@RishisR00m]

I second the motion to improve the heat dissipation!!!

[@jamesmelandry3595]

As far as burn in, it does depend on how much Apple incorporated anti burn-in tech-features.

[@williammclean6594]

If someone hasn't bought any iPad before, which one would you recommend for an artist to get?

[@andreasoberg2021]

The 12.9 pro. If possible get the 1TB or 2Tb since they have twise the amount of RAM 16GB vs 8GB. If you do smaller illustrations 8GB will be ok too. Painting drawing is fantastic on an IPAD but for more complex composition you may need to finalize it on real computer.

[@williammclean6594]

@@andreasoberg2021 yeah, a lot of artists say that digital painting isn't that extensive. It doesn't require very much processing. So 8 gigs is more than enough. I want to be able to use the new pencil and I want pro motion and I'd have to get the M4 for that. It seems like a lot of money for the 1 TB version. It's going over $3,500 with accessories.

[@andreasoberg2021]

@@williammclean6594 yes it is a lot. Maybe worth getting smaller harddrive and have it. I have found that several times with ipads I buy the big SSD and then I never use them so a bit of waste.

[@dominikamimari427]

Hope the storage and range is enough I'm looking into buying this ipad for my art hobby and since the new 2024 ipad it's a for sure lol

[@DAIEDRO]

I have a 2017 10.5 Pro. I’ve been deliberating on upgrading to the newest M4 iPad, or switching to the Galaxy Tab S9+, or waiting for the Galaxy Tab S10 series…

[@mathilda6763]

a couple of years ago I decided to get a Microsoft surface book instead of an Ipad pro. price-wise the ipad was cheaper so I really considered it as a portable option and tested the one a friend had for a couple of hours to see if I liked it. I decided on the surface because it had a keyboard in the price, I am used to office and know the programs I am using work on it and I don't have to relearn keyboard short cuts. hand gestures are mostly a cause of frustration, I prefer to press a physical button. so it was mostly that I was too lazy to change my entire work flow just to use this device. I was a bit disappointed by the apple pencil because painting in procreate wasn't nearly as intuitive and "plug and play" as I was used from my pen display and graphic tablet on my desktop. You had to fiddle with the brush to make it even draw a line properly, like the pen pressure was wacky. that has been years though and since it's probably been updated a lot seeing how many professionals use it. the layer limit also put me off because i easily get into 50-100 layers on a bigger piece, so hearing that this is fixed I might try apple again. not a big fan of the trend to make tech as thin and light as possible, I don't know who the market is for that either tbh. I mean it's nice that they are nit as heavy as the laptops from the early 2000s because that was a lot of weight and space in your backpack, but I don't necessarily need my drawing device to be lighter than my sandwich. I am clumsy. things fall, I shove stuff in my bag carry them around...I don't such an expensive device bend out of shape because the backpack was standing next to the heater.

[@jngarrettart]

Really enjoyed this video. My take on the event and announcements was largely similar to yours, so I found myself nodding quite a bit as you were talking. Hope you are having a good and creative week. (Also, did you mention in passing that you’re dealing with shingles? If so, I hope you recover quickly.)

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Thanks, yeah, mentioned it a few videos back. The pain is largely gone, just have some hyper pigmentation left

[@pixaki7138]

Great video - thanks for the Pixaki mention! - Luke

[@jamesmelandry3595]

My sympathies, I got lucky with a round of steroids I healed but I have heard that this is not everybody's experience, I just remember how painful they were. wish you a full recovery just as soon as possible, thanks for the view on this idea of using an iPad, you are so right about fancy tech not helping artists in accelerating their skills.

[@andreasoberg2021]

Great video thanks. I think ipad is fantastic for painting. But I sometimes do large poster like illustrations with a huge amount of layers. I would much rather work on those on my 2x32” monitors. However I would not mind drawing many elements on ipad. So I use a hybrid setup.

[@stewartisme4635]

What the best way to use the ipad as a pressure sensitive screen on windows?

[@chidorirasenganz]

The Pencil Pro works with the Air and the Tandem Oled are less prone to burn in due to the dual layers

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Yep, mentioned and mentioned in the video

[@AliHussain-ei3xo]

There's an actor who was a lecturer in saved by the bell college years, and was also in an episode of the short-lived series two of a kind on nickelodeon. You are an absolute ringer for that guy

[@JMulvy]

They said something along the lines of "they are moving one-step closer to the ipad becoming a magical pane of glass." To which I add "that we will undoubtedly put in a big chunky case in order to protect it for when we inevitably DROP our expensive investment." The layer limit in Procreate has more to do with RAM than it does with processing power. Even the old M1 chips are more than capable of running Procreate, Dreams, and even Fresco buttery smooth while reaching their respective layer limits. It really has very little to do with the M4 chip. The reason the Pencil Pro isn't compatible with the old M2 models is because to add the haptic feedback in it and re-position the camera to the long side of the ipad, they had to move the charging magnets in the ipad itself. The new pencil will not connect appropriately to the old ipads and the old pencils will not attach to the new ipads appropriately either. However, I wonder if the only caveat to the new pencil on the old ipad is that it charges slightly off-center or does it just not charge at all? If it is just an aesthetic issue, I can live with it if it means I can have rotation in my pencil, especially when my clunky Logitech case has a nice thick strap to hold it in place.

[@TammyJerkChicken]

I’ve been holding off getting a new iPad to get a nice future proof product that I can travel home with and I love the new pen but I really was worried about the AI bit… I think they totally hand waved it

[@andreasoberg2021]

An ipad will probably survive 4-6 years I would say. But you probably want a computer as well

[@jamesbullo]

Just an fyi, the 2nd gen Apple Pencil is not compatible with the new iPads.

[@artofhansjacob]

Yeah, I also read somewhere that it is because of the horizontal camera that the pencil pro was redesigned for the new models.

[@nikicherry1234]

oooo. you look so drawable here.

[@rr.studios]

Titanic vibes 🥵

[@little.prince]

7:49 Nope, actually you can’t use Apple Pencil 2 on the iPad Pro M4…

[@JumpdeArt]

Been thinking of your art! Hope you’ve been well Brookes

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Thanks! Yep, have shared a few recent pieces on Instagram, and have a video planned to go up this weekend. Appreciate it!

[@A.SChandrakanth]

Hey , i am stuck between ipad air 5 and ipad pro 11, which one do you suggest to use for digital art and 2d animation . What do you suggest , will the i pad air 5 be enough ?!

[@CharacterDesignForge]

I think for general use/starting out the ipad would be sufficient if youre on a budget

[@_neo.psd_]

The Pencil thing is actually a technical limitation. They moved the front camera to the landscape side, which is where a lot of the sensors and magnets were previously located to store and charge the pencil. That's why they had to be spread further apart, to make space for the webcam to sit in between. The magnets in the new one therefore don't match the old iPads positions anymore - kind of a bummer because I'd love to just get the new Pencil, but you can still rotate the pencil via brush stroke flow and achieve pretty much the same results, its just a bit more finicky but no reason to buy another 1.3k tablet :D anyways, great video!

[@tomgon3D]

I'm considering getting one instead of a cintiq for PC. Not sure how good or bad the connectivity is. I think you need a separate app for that to work. Anyone with insights here?

[@phonepup06]

Pretty sure new Apple Pencil pro won’t work on older iPads since they had to change the connection on the side due to having the camera on that side also

[@Javas_Dream]

They try and make the 13” look so big, but the actual measurements are measured diagonally. So side to side and top/bottom measurements are less than 13”

[@CharacterDesignForge]

That’s the standard way all screens are measured 🙂

[@kaicastle.]

Hard to justify the new M4 if the M1 is still under utilized to this day.. So basically, if you have an iPad with the "M Series" chip, you're good.. But yeah, being an iPad artist for 7 years now, is what keeps me creating.. Although it will largely depend on your lifestyle and workflow.. 😊

[@npcimknot958]

I want more battery, lighter, not thinner ( unless it’s really durable.. I bent my old iPad… cause I leaned back..

[@GGlovescj]

I also agree I dont like thinner , ill take lighter. It’s like apple said “here you go a MORE breakable item’” .

[@TheKevphil]

For comics, Procreate is okay, but is *_not_* Clip Studio; it lacks many of the production-level features, as well as vector trimming on its Vector Layers.

[@L0rar3]

Ngl, I was super hyped for the pencil pro and I still am... but compatibility is a horror show in 4 acts (like litrally...) I would need to trade in my iPad Pro 4th Gen for an iPad air and STILL pay 500€ on top just to use the new pencil And IF I don that, my old penicl 2nd gen just becomes completely useless I would've payed 200€, maybe even 250€ just for this pencil but I really don't see me trading in my perfectly fine iPad pro AND pay on top just to use the new pencil Sad though, because the new features are actually the one's I hoped were coming

[@lourdeslozanokhoury128]

My question I have here is I have the iPad Air 5 with the M1 chip and I wanna be able to use my iPad more professionally for videos and art. Do I upgrade to M2, or is it worth spending M4??

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Sounds like what you have is working, unless you're experiencing any particular problems or slowdown!

[@LeanEre]

M1 is already a beast. You already can do many things with it. all these M2, M4, are just SLIGHTLY better than M1; nothing like 50% or 100% more powerful. these chips are just marketing for you to think your one year Ipad is not good to use anymore.

[@betweenthepanels9145]

I use a third generation pro and I’m itching to upgrade to the new pro. Do you think that’s worth it?

[@CharacterDesignForge]

In addition to the new features, you'll see a big jump in power. But that's up to you!

[@betweenthepanels9145]

@@CharacterDesignForge I struggle assessing how much power do I really need. The new air seems plenty powerful as well. I suppose waiting for artists to review both is prudent.

[@emilymain4175]

Same dude! I'm looking around to see if it's worth it 🙏 I was also considering the new Air but it doesn't have face ID which sucks

[@betweenthepanels9145]

@@emilymain4175 also the price difference between the air and the pro lol

[@npcimknot958]

Also they need to open up root access cause files really sucks. And a safe eject for externals

[@stacycreates24]

If you need the anti reflective screen, there are 3rd party solutions, and if you want more storage-just get an external one!

[@babybojanglesjr]

Always has been😎

[@ldfjlas]

I love what Apple has done for digital art. But this is in no way revolutionary. I’m not gonna buy it because it really doesn’t do anything that my m1 iPad doesn’t already do. The next thing Apple is gonna have to do to get me to buy a new one is either increase the base models ram so I don’t have to worry about layers in procreate or make it 16 inches. Though it is incredible how procreate maximizes screen real estate with great interface design - 13 inches is still too small.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

I think the ram is already there, but I agree with you otherwise! 16 inch option, similar to the old 17 inch MacBook pros, would be nice

[@ldfjlas]

@@CharacterDesignForge on my m1 procreate is constantly telling me that my machine isn't powerful enough to open my psds. i had an ipad with 16 gigs of ram and it fixed this problem. but to get 16 gigs of ram they force you to get too much storage and it costs way too much. procreate could probably fix their program to take advantage of the new scratch disk feature in ios but they haven't.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

@@ldfjlas they mentioned in September they’re retro fitting Dune of the architecture from Dreams, but with a file format that isn’t as native it’s not going to be as ideal as .pro

[@williammclean6594]

Paper like really wears down your nibs Astro pads screen protectors way better. It's also magnetic so you don't have to like permanently put it in place

[@JamesWilliam70]

An ipad version blender would be great

[@innerc8951]

Correction, the new iPad Airs also have support for the Pencil Pro, not just the iPad Pros

[@lioedevon4275]

45 seconds ago is maybe the fastest I’ve found a video uploaded. Also I’m hoping that someday procreate gets to the level where it can become industry standard. Because despite photoshop being better in some ways, it is just so expensive and has these little obtuse things that just makes me hate it. Not to mention firefly not automatically being opt out.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

not bad at all!

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Yeah I think Photoshop is just more widely adopted for longer and it's on desktop- but the firefly stuff is really really stupid.

[@pastuh]

procreate still dont have vector graphics..

[@RogerZoul]

I just watched a video prior to this one where that artist claimed the Apple Pencil Pro works with the M2 iPad Pros. Might be wise to check any claims made before making a final decision. Edit: I just checked in the Apple Store app and the Apple Pencil Pro indeed is compatible with the M2 iPad Pro, both 11- and 12.9-inch models.

[@travissennett1026]

If Procreate is talking about Desktop Procreate that leads me to believe there might be a new iMac with touch capabilities. Might be a stretch, but i could see it coming at some point.

[@KuttyJoe]

That comment, "for drawing, illustration and comics, everything can be done in Procreate", is probably true in a way. The difference is in the effort and time needed to do it. It's also true to say that traveling 50 miles can be done by walking. But the experience and time needed to do it are very different than riding a bicycle.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

In what way does that relate? How does it take longer to so something in Procreate?

[@KuttyJoe]

@@CharacterDesignForge Consider every individual thing that you do when making a piece of digital art. Do you use layers? If you're using Procreate, then you're turning the layers on thousands of times, and that is a waste of time. What kind of tools are you using? Brushes, erasers, selection tools, tools for scaling, skewing, rotating. If you are using a stylus like the Wacom stylus, you can hold 6 or 7 of those tools in the stylus all at the same time and not make a single trip to the toolbox to switch tools in flexible software like Clip Studio Paint. How many trips do you make the toolbox to switch tools when using Procreate? Multiply that times thousands of wasted trips to the toolbox. If you use F keys and things like that from a full keyboard, those are also missing on an iPad keyboard. The smaller the screen, the more you're panning and zooming. Every unnecessary pan or zoom is wasted time. Even when you're using super powerful software on the iPad such as Clip Studio Paint, the experience is still not the same because the Apple Pencil can't take advantage of everything that Clip Studio has to offer, such as being able to map all of those tools to the stylus. Key modifiers such as control/Alt/Shift are possible on the iPad, but difficult at best. You may use an addon software which takes up more space on the already small screen on an iPad. This is another waste of time vs the desktop experience. Also, I have the Wacom EK Remote which has all of those tools bound to it, plus a bunch of floating custom built palettes for other functions, and with a 27" screen, there's plenty of space to put them. Physical buttons are better than touch by far. The number of times people will try to zoom, rotate, pan, undo/redo with touch and it doesn't work the first time, then they have to go try again, or erase an accidental mark is a lot, and it's all wasted time. The amount of such mistakes on a system with physical controls is of course far less Having said all of that, I believe there are some uses for the iPad that are even better than with a desktop PC. I've seen a guy who draws tattoos. He sits with his clients and draws ideas or concepts, or whatever with the client. He might go out to see the client and bring his iPad with him. He's using the iPad like a supercharged sketchbook. He's not using layers, selections, and all of the things that are not possible on a physical piece of paper and pencil so he's not wasting time fiddling with those things. So in this use case, I think the iPad is magnificent.

[@zt9233]

Air can use pencil pro

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Mentioned that in the video.

[@-bugbite]

Also when it comes to to animation toonsquid in my experience is really good, better than procreate dreams in a lot of ways and is easy to get into if you’re used to procreate and it’s like 10 bucks so if an animator wants to use an iPad they could do that one

[@Abonkit]

Hey mr. Eggleston, long time viewer and commenter. But the thing you are holding is a pencil. It is for drawing, not for microphones. I hope this helps you in your art journey. :)

[@AmigoAmpz]

So the new Apple Pencil doesn’t just stick to the side of it and charge now??? That sucks.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

I don’t believe that reflects any accurate information, No

[@FullaEels]

wait procreate is 20 bucks now? i bought it for 6 quid a few years ago

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Yep, same- still ridiculously better than paying that every month!

[@frieren848]

The cheapest 13" iPad Pro + Apple Pencil combo (without keyboard) is getting DANGEROUSLY close to Cintiq Pro 24 prices, so there's literally no reason to get it if you're working on professional work unless just like buying Apple tech because reasons, nothing against that if it works for you, but iPadOS is a joke until this day. It's already more expensive than the Cintiq 16, Cintiq 22, the new Wacom Movink 13, a plethora of Huion/XP-Pen tablets and even Galaxy Tab Ultras. Even a cheap Windows PC/laptop can run illustration apps like Clip Studio and it's something that majority of the world own so there's VERY few reasons to buy these overpriced Apple devices. EDIT: I think even the newly announced 4K OLED 16" Xencelabs pen display is cheaper?

[@afromalone]

Interesting vid.

[@farhaddad]

Actually Apple Pencil pro works on iPad Air.

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Yep, mentioned that

[@katon4525]

The biggest issue right now with the new ipad is the price. 2500 for a tablet your better off getting a whole PC setup. This Ipad isn't anything special than the previous generation, and now that apple has clearly expressed interest in AI this just leaves a sour taste in artist mouth. This is such a sensitive time where artist are advocating for legislation and not being replaced with AI and here comes another company wanting to sell us a tablet with generative AI features. Like no. We shouldn't tolerate that, The price point and the AI bullshit. Artist already have to spend so much money on industry standard software that this is just another slap in the face. A pc with a basic drawing tablet is so much cheaper than this one tablet. Hell even buying older ipads are better than this.

[@theoffice4951]

The iPad sucks if macOS is not on there what’s the point

[@robodd4694]

Left Apple last month but miss Procreate so much as Android art apps S****! Was thinking about getting another iPad just to go back to Procreate. HATED everything I saw in the announcement show for the new iPads. A lot of stuff (and fluff) not many want, like thinness, Personally I think the last iPads were thin enough. Apple stop trying to make the iPads disappear!. The colors in the ad were all horrible. Wat is with that ugly tube thing on the backs (I'm sure it was just visual but ugly). The crushing of all those objects (ya I get it) but was just stupid. The whole event was horrible and possible the only interesting thing worth anything was the new pencil pro (they could have just sold that to use with past iPad pros) NOT going to spend $$$$$ for an Ipad that basically has nothing going for it. Ya sure m4...but who cares as the m2&3 are fast enough for a tablet. I really wish I had kept my iPad pro because Apple just seems to be losing their minds and it's so obvious they have nothing innovated or worth the prices anymore. One last thing, How about doing something most want like a full blown IOS on the Pro's! Or an option like Samsung has with Dex.

[@LilJoe3]

the "tubes" say PRO, and mac os on ipad would be shit its not a touch based os, best you can get is stage manager which somewhat makes it a laptop experience, i agree its overpriced but if you know what to do with it you can get alot out of it. i will say the oled display is amazing tho one of the best screen i have besides my 77inch LG C1

[@npcimknot958]

Allmpeocreate needs to do is vectorize n blur :)

[@NeonEonsHp]

8:59 apple ai enhances their cameras automatically. What are you talking about?

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Can you expound on what you mean by automatically, since you seem to imbuing this comment with some hostility that I never showed towards you

[@taylorbechstein1681]

Dont get the latest tech if you're on the fence. IMO, you're better off saving money

[@D4nSS]

iPads have so much processing power but at the same time they are so LIMITED!! for example, procreate has a limited number of layers...

[@CharacterDesignForge]

Did you reach that portion of the video?

[@Surkk2960]

I avoid Apple products like social interaction, so I'll just stick with mouse and GIMP for now.

[@PieterJacob]

Big disappointment for me. I would have liked an all screen iPad with no bezels that I can actually use to program on.

[@davidg3594]

You have been using the iPad for years, but the title is if the iPad is finally worth it for artists? Dude ...

[@mathieul4303]

It was worth it years ago

[@4_seagull]

4