Is It Possible To Be Vegan-Keto?

Despite what conventional medicine has told us, type 1 diabetes is not a sentence for a heavy reliance on insulin. For many people, a diet that carefully monitors carb intake can dramatically reduce blood sugar swings and reduce the amount of insulin needed.
Keto (or the ketogenic diet) has gotten a lot of buzz lately, and this fat-heavy very low-carb approach to eating is showing some promise for diabetics and many other metabolic diseases as well. With that being said, there is no perfect diet for everyone, and each person needs to find what works best for them. One of my guests on this week’s Doctor’s Farmacy podcast, Dr. Carrie Diulus, has found vegan keto is the best approach for managing her type 1 diabetes and maintaining a healthy weight. We’re also joined by Dr. Ethan Weiss, who’s been steadily in ketosis for about 2 years using a plant-heavy, mostly pescatarian keto approach.
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[@Me-sm7jm]

After doing meaty keto for years went Vegan and feel amazing! Sleep is incredible! Libido up! Energy Up! Better sense of well being. Finally getting enough fiber. May be just me but I have ZERO keto flu symptoms as a vegan And I’m doing my part for animals and the environment 🤟🏽

[@nizamansari569]

Still vegan

[@valeria939]

This is just temporary.

[@JTG313]

How did you follow a sustainable diet i dont know what to cook

[@tothebeatofmydrum7881]

@@JTG313easy peasy. Take a look at Heavenly Fan on YT , she has plenty of easy n super yummy Vegan-keto recipes. I’ve been vegan for over 5 years but switched to Vegan Keto last week (also doing intermittent fasting.) It’s made a big difference to my overall well-being, as the OP has mentioned. Highly recommend, your body will thank you for it!❤

[@antonbelsky]

So, are you still vegan ?

[@robtleroux]

“All of humanity's problems [SUGAR] stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.” ~ Blaise Pascal

[@donnaambrose1234]

That was super amazing and really informative. As a holistic practitioner and suffering with my own metabolic issues, I have been on this weight gain roller coaster for about 20 years and the diet that has helped me the most is a combination of Keto and intermittent fasting, basically at the end of the day, it's keeping my insulin level low, whereas I had been taught and have been teaching for years that we must have 3 main meals and 2 snacks......this approach does not work for most. Keep up the great work of bringing us really sound advice. .

[@bekkaadair854]

best discussion on keto/fasting/vegan diets i’ve found on the internet yet. no ego tripping this is the only right way junk. Just truth and honesty about what we do and still don’t know and acknowledgement that we all respond differently. thank u!

[@KarmicWealth]

Remarkable. I’m a high carb vegan and I just feel bloated and gross so often. I’m going high fat low carb tomorrow and we’ll see what happens. So much appreciation for all three of you.

[@Me-sm7jm]

Yes- high carb vegan felt gross for me. 🤢

[@TheCrusaderRabbits]

So what happened?

[@KarmicWealth]

@@TheCrusaderRabbits hi - I felt even more awful within 2 days. But, with that, I know eat much less fruit and my bloating got better.

[@tinaferr]

@@KarmicWealth did you ever try again? coming from high carb is difficult, you will almost certainly get the keto flu in the first week or two, but electrolytes make it better

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

​@tinaferr exactly! I went from a (rather unhealthy) vegetarian to strict keto with IF and EF. In the first weeks, I definitely dropped weight and pee'd my brains out. Until I learned to add electrolytes, I was a mess! But in the long run, I started to feel better than I ever have in my entire life. I initiated the keto diet, complete with strict measuring, weighing, and tracking all macros, for weight loss. I ate only meat, fish, dairy and low carb/high fiber vegetables. Only cold pressed coconut oil and EVOO. For an entire year. I was pleasantly surprised with the other benefits: joint pain gone, plantar fasciitis gone, back pain gone, dental plaque gone, gas and bloating gone. I had no idea that, all my life, the scum on my teeth was caused by grainfoods and sugars! And had never experienced having little to no gas, til keto. 😮 To understand, finally, that processed grains were the root of the evils in my life was so very enlightening. Five years later, I feel healed. I slip in and out of my low carb diet. But I immediately feel all the bad things if I slip up too much. Gas is very noticeable with any processed grain products. Or ANY legumes. 😮 Joint pain and especially back ache, too, with excessive desserts or carby treats. Not to mention, weight gain.....😢 With each carb overindulgence, I've gained 3-5 lbs which initiates the yoyo diet rollercoaster.

[@patriciagriffin1505]

Most on keto don’t understand the amount of salt one needs to maintain health. Much more than regular diet

[@tinaferr]

yep, and potassium and magnesium for me

[@KirstyStringfellow]

I've been vegetarian for 8 years and in recent years been listening to my body more, I don't feel hungry in the mornings so skip breakfast and my love of pasta has been easing off. Great to hear this conversation and some evidence to confirm what my intuition and body has been telling me. Also a good reminder for me to add more healthy fats. Thank you 🙂

[@billyhewett8715]

Great show. Enjoyed the interplay between the three of you, and the particular insights from an orthopaedic and cardio specialists on keto/low carb.

[@kristibillings1949]

Dr. Hyman and guests, Thank you so much for this informative program. Thank you for discussing the bloodwork we should be requesting from our doctors, as normally we leave this up to them to know what bloodwork is needed. - knowledge is power for us laypeople 😊

[@martaperalta2167]

Thank you for this exchange of experiences. It is refreshing to hear doctors recognizing that there is still much to be learnt, and that what work for one patient might not work for other. As for this keto diet, it is not for me: It does not seem to include fruits, and I like them too much! The overall guidelines are worth listening to. Thanks

[@angellighten3526]

Vegan keto is amazing and easy. And inexpensive!

[@tonywims8848]

Hi! Can you point me to some resources to guide me in my inexpensive vegan keto journey?

[@lv_raiders478]

Lol im spending like crazy

[@bluebutterflywellness2273]

At the most simplistic level, it can be inexpensive-- veggies and berries with some nuts, seeds and protein powder. However to make it a sustainable and interesting lifestyle, it is VERY expensive.

[@1RajatS]

food list so we can use???

[@acidclarity_]

agree! so much cheaper to do vegan keto compared to sourcing quality animal products

[@carmenross1077]

I just love listening and learning from you Dr. Hyman thank you.

[@KatieKamala]

Excellent discussion I’ve been a vegetarian for 37 years but when I went entirely Vegan for several years I found myself eating way too much starch because I was hungry. Even though I am not overweight when I did vegetarian keto, I found my body way more sculpted, and I do think as plant-based eaters. We can eat far too many carbs. I agree with the statement that we should go for metabolic flexibility. This talk inspired me to stop eating too many sweet fruits, rice, and noodles.

[@gypsygirl9]

What is Vegetarian keto? Keto is all about eating meats/fats ?

[@renee1194]

Fantastic talk. Thank you for this.

[@patnewson6908]

In general one of best conversations about diet altogether, including everything keto. As vegan keto I loved to hear that input. Seemed you all covered just about every question I might have about ketogenic diet & diet/health. The only criticism I have is that Mark Hyman interrupted too often, disrupting flow of information in which I was particularly interested, & to which the conversation did not return. Altogether this is videoI will highly recommend to friends. Thank you each.

[@ginanotafan1039]

I just started vegan keto (from just regular vegan)- I also started IF/OMAD! So far so good... The only downside is its more expensive, I need more supplements (Super food & Super greens powder, slow release iron, calcium, MCT oil, as well as my usual mutivitamin from before)- plus, grains and legumes ars way cheaper than tofu, tempeh, nuts, seeds (I ate these things before, but not this much/in these quantities!) But its ok, I can swing it. Barely, lol. But it's absolutely not accessible to anyone, like, when people say "Anyone can be plant based" I believe that's true for regular plant based, even in "food deserts," but I do not think At All vegan keto is realistic and/or accessable for everyone. Both location wise and financially. It's very consuming, time, effort and money-wise.

[@tinaferr]

it's kind of the pinnacle of orthorexia, i don't really know the difference between eating like this and having an eating disorder. except on this i feel full. but i do feel it's the type of diet i feel best on, physically and mentally, obsessiveness aside.

[@alizegoiriaegidazu338]

Thanks for the video!!

[@MissInfinity]

Short answer? Yes. There, saved you watching the whole video.

[@mislimislimisli3331]

Ash Darby 😂😂😂✨

[@sandyglover736]

Ash Darby except the whole video was very interesting, informative and definitely worth watching!! 😊

[@barrez9307]

I haven't watched this yet, but, just hearing the intro of the guests has me excited. So many cardiologists demand a no oil diet for health but, I don't agree. I'll add a comment after video as well.

[@jackiedecoma4637]

Great discussion and information.

[@sailorpluto04]

Wow, it would be great if Dr. Hyman would let his guests speak without interrupting constantly. I am very interested in the content but it's just so annoying.

[@manithoimeisnam6988]

My only regret is not trying the *agoge diet*earlier, very great results. Ke to really ruined me for a couple of weeks before that

[@molvermaler6578]

Agoge diet works great, I've been using it for about 3

[@mayasstar]

How did keto ruin you?

[@ttmedit]

Thank you for asking a question about specific food choices. Good interview can be very inspirational and motivational but the true secret is food that we eat

[@irvpaton8626]

You guys make an awesome triad of talent. I'm an old computer type who saved himself from the Medical-Industrial complex. I had six MD's from three different large medial organizations get it wrong on my low insulin and resulting unwanted weight-loss and loss of vitality. I figured it out from data by Joseph Kraft, MD, and the HOMA2 model from Oxford, which I think are profoundly accurate for people on the standard American diet. Even endocrinologists at Lahey Health didn't know about this, and got it wrong. My solution is 14 units of basil insulin per day, and a mostly carnivore diet with some fruit, nuts, dark chocolate, and coconuts. I keep studying this and adjusting it, and I'm sure it's not perfect, but it has made a huge difference in my quality of life, including getting back my needed weight, and greatly improving vitality (I'm still alive too). I can relate a lot to Carrie, except my body still produces some insulin (c-peptide around 0.5, but maybe falling). Switching to Ethan, my total cholesterol is through the roof, but HDL and Triglycerides are amazingly good. Note that per Dr. Paul Mason the liver uses insulin as a signal to increase LDL receptors, so low insulin may raise LDL. There are studies that show higher total cholesterol reduces risk of death in old people, and Ethan is not being logical on high cholesterol, when there is no data to show that high cholesterol is bad when you have great HDL/Triglycerides. We know that saturated fat raises cholesterol, but that is not relevant to anything, so it has to be discounted unless there is good data, which there isn't. But still, I really appreciate the nuances, even the ones from main-stream conditioning, which seem to support what I have been finding in myriad places.

[@margaretcordova3268]

Dr. Hyman is awesome in his answers. He’s very knowledgeable! All 3 are very good and very interesting.

[@risadrisad9438]

Any good diet plan shoould be healthy and convenient so people can follow it long term. That's why the keto diet sucks, and why the Agoge diet is great. I got rid of my cellulite finally.

[@thomasjefferson8939]

The best diet is the one that works for you. For me, a vegetarian-leaning Keto has led to significant improvements.

[@annsmith482]

Hi Dr. Carrie, Type 1 here (15 years). How do you avoid KAD poisoning? I'm a responsible Type 1 pt and vegan but cannot lose weight. I'm really nervous of keto, since we're taught to avoid KAD.

[@acidclarity_]

I'm vegan keto with intermittent fasting. Loving it!! Feelin so great

[@patriciahernandez5917]

Can you give an example of what you eat in a day ? I’m vegan an I used to drink green juice every day ..unfortunately I ended up with hashimoto and now I suppose to avoid nightshade and Goitrogenic veggies. 🥲. So my diet now it’s high in carbs but I know that’s not good. Thanks in advance

[@acidclarity_]

@@patriciahernandez5917 coffee with 2 tsp coconut oil after training to help me through the 20 hr fast; above ground veggie bake with vegan cheese or a generous drizzle of olive oil after baking + nutritional yeast; plant milk + vegan protein + cacao & lots of nut butter for dessert; big soy/coconut yoghurt bowl with collagen, more cacao, chia seed, hemp seed, bit of berries. the key is I have lots of coconut oil, olive oil and nut butter:P vegan protein also helps (I take brown rice, pea, hemp). I'm 5 foot 1 and I have no idea how many calories I take but I feel really energised, happy, and recover well from daily training

[@acidclarity_]

@@patriciahernandez5917 im intolerant to avocados but that also seems to be a popular choice for vegan ketos :)

[@patriciahernandez5917]

@@acidclarity_ thanks a Lot. You mentioned collagen (any vegan brand that you recommend?)

[@patriciahernandez5917]

@@acidclarity_ how you found put your intolerance to avocados? Supposedly I need to do a test to find out what foods trigger my antibodies.

[@spudluver47]

Mark interrupts a lot

[@francescakolar2446]

What a great podcast what is the vegan keto app that was mentioned ?

[@elainesorensen5803]

I looked into the KEYTO plan. I think it’s a good option for those wanting to do more of a whole food keto plant base. The focus is less on detailed tracking. Good information and I’m looking forward to getting the keto breath analyzer included in the program.

[@mpoharper]

Breath is not the best way to track ketones. Blood

[@elainesorensen5803]

@@mpoharper The breathalyzer measures them in real time while the blood measures the ones in reserve. It’s just two different systems

[@mpoharper]

@@elainesorensen5803 thanks

[@samantha-kemp-therapy]

fascinating

[@ivettesantana4319]

Dr. seems like he is talking to me. My sugar is over 200, i am keto, i dont eat like fat people do and I just cannot loose the weight or get my numbers down anymore no matter what supplements I take, hence why I am here.

[@tinaferr]

update?

[@_____J______]

To me best works veggies based diet it seems, from my own practices, meats and starches are just not my thing as well as fruits

[@Atheria444]

Crapaterian Diet.....LOL - I can vouch, at age 53, that it's harder for older women to keep weight off. I'm vegan, and also deal with severe pain, increasing blood sugar despite my small size, and gut issues. I'm going to try cutting carbs again.

[@susanh171]

I really found the amount of interrupting the two being interviewed very annoying and disrespectful of the two being interviewed. They rarely got to finish their points.

[@renee1194]

How do you get an appointment with Dr. Weiss? My husband and I could benefit greatly from his care?

[@ronaldlenz5745]

Dr. Hyman, you need to QUIT interrupting your guests! STOP IT!

[@omsp3]

OMG I desperately need more information about Sarcopenia

[@geminicls446]

Sarcopenia is one of the most important areas when it comes to lifespan, health span, and aging. But so few docs actually talk about it. Glad to hear it was a part of this discussion. Eating more protein as we age, along with weight training, and balance/stability training is key!! Dr. Gabrielle Lyon is a great resource if you want to learn more about sarcopenia.

[@lenardlund8153]

A1C will always elevate on a plant based diet

[@jakobw135]

When you talk about a healthy keto diet - are you not referring to whole grain consumption as well as plant fat? Also, is there any harm in eating plant-based protein supplements?

[@heartminer5487]

it took me one meal to figure out that I can't just eat bacon if I was to continue keto diet

[@jakobw135]

What if you're skinny, too thin, have trouble putting on weight and are vegan? How do you increase your muscle mass in particular?

[@crowley144]

Alkalizing, low inflamation, low insulin, great diet

[@lenardlund8153]

Higher LDL actually is found to increase life expectaney

[@irvpaton8626]

Normal insulin is about 7 if you are not on a low carb diet. Joseph Kraft ran 14000 OGTT with insulin testing, and found that was normal with what he considered healthy people. The HOMA2 model shows that a fasting glucose of 83 and fasting insulin of 7 are normal with no insulin resistance and normal insulin production. If you are running on fat, then the insulin will be much lower. However, if you are not running on fat, and you have insulin below 5 and glucose over 90, you have insulinopenia, which is life threatening as it advances slowly, but most doctors are not aware of it. I figured this out as I approached death, no kidding.

[@mpoharper]

Mine is below 5 and I do that on purpose to prevent cancer recurrence. I feel great and exercise daily. Great blood work. Keto with animal protein and lots of low carb veggies and healthy fats.

[@irvpaton8626]

C60 did make mice live 90% longer.

[@robynriddle6944]

Please stop interrupting the lady doctor. She has great information but guy on left consistently interrupted her.

[@YouTuber-ep5xx]

The problem is insulin, which is driven by carbs, which are derived from plants. The other bad guy is seed oils, also derived from plants. This is why I limit consumption of plant matter to some leafy greens, nuts, a few berries.

[@mariah8197]

best vegan keto podcast!

[@patriciagriffin1505]

Many doctors will not help out

[@LawofMoses]

I have been doing low carb and lost over 75 pounds. I eat meat however but only meat God allows no pork for example. I eat an avocado a day and steak and chicken etc.. I have recently at 50 years old been diagnosed with epilepsy and so a good thing I already do keto. I also eat between noon and 6pm every day and never eat garbage or sugar, no breads for certain.

[@irvpaton8626]

From my experience with low insulin production, and resulting stomach damage, Enzyme and HCL supplements make big difference with meat. Worth a try.

[@ethimself5064]

It is

[@i.tthomas348]

Is it beneficial alongside a plant based diet as well ?

[@pohkeee]

I.T Thomas : Yes, because you need sufficiently high stomach acid to process all fat soluble vitamins! It is also your first line of defense for pathogens. The astronomical usage of acid blockers is causing a cascade of degenerative effects (insufficient processing of nutrients) and susceptibility to infections and parasites...

[@i.tthomas348]

Michele Curlee Thank you ☺️

[@mariah8197]

anyone else seeing this weird tension with hyman and the other guy

[@LawofMoses]

Hey they both do intermittent fasting

[@midwestmusicllc]

35:30 lol

[@mymagdalena7]

I'm confused.

[@egyptiandeity1862]

Dude interrupts waaay to much ugh

[@patriciagriffin1505]

Many of your viewers don’t have the resources to test various diets

[@markospas]

Mark really should stop interrupting his guests with stupid comments. One of the reasons why I'm avoiding his videos. Like very annoying and rude. I'm going to give dislike to this video just because of that.

[@athenadiakos805]

There is a difference between a conversation and an interview..these are conversations between like-minded, qualified professionals so ALL comments and opinions are EXACTLY what makes it interesting and informative ..{if you bothered to read the point of the channel you would know this }...so perhaps should you go find "interviews" instead of upsetting yourself.

[@markospas]

@@athenadiakos805 No comment from Mark was informative or interesting, was just plain cheese stupid interruptions.

[@yaquelinllerena9239]

M Francois you should unsubscribe for that matter he's not going to miss you. You need to fix your adrenals you probably complain about everything in your life.

[@markospas]

@@yaquelinllerena9239 I'm not complaining just saying because its true, I'm not subscribed and never was. And if you read comments on all his videos, that's the biggest complain, so I guess its not only me, he should read comments and listen what listeners have to say. You must be older person for saying something like that because my generation will agree with me. For us youtube is the platform that we grow up with and we expect certain quality of videos.

[@DavidJJJ]

Agreed, i felt like I was missing interesting information just because of the interruptions constantly.

[@sandraheisch1910]

What about eating fruits (mainly berries) on a vegan keto diet?

[@bluebutterflywellness2273]

Yes.

[@patriciagriffin1505]

Yes could also eat few slices of grapefruit and apples just a few slices so one will probably last a we

[@DavidJJJ]

Fruits have feelings, not ok.

[@LALady1]

You don’t need keto you need to eat more fruits & vegetables 🥗 and intermittent fasting. Too much fat isn’t good. Since I started on vegan mostly raw with lots of fruit and veggies I feel so much better to

[@lenardlund8153]

Keto people don't eat those carbs

[@lakid9749]

New study Fat and diabetes are linked. Also with APOE gene you cant eat high fat. I think an important thing to remember is that everyone is different and you need you gene profile before you make diet and health choices,

[@razonyespiritu]

the problem is your fat not the fat you consume

[@theresajohnson2110]

Ha ha. The only guy who bags out game hangers is the only guy who hasn't seen it. You just lost credibility. That's as far as I listened.

[@martinusasp8927]

Embarrasing Mark! EVERYTHING Chris Kresser said on game-changers was utterly destroyed when James got the opportunity to do so in the following JRE podcast. Chris was also shown to be a completely incompetent and dishonest charlatan and you referring to him makes you loose a lot of credibility,.

[@Listen2DeathMetal]

Well said, Kresser got many points wrong.. Complete strawman

[@ZoneZero-sm9jv]

So interruptiy

[@kristalmartin6601]

I disagree with her diet being so high in phytoestrogens. Any diet that completely cuts out major food groups is not how humans should eat.

[@angellighten3526]

Uhhh she didn’t cut out any food groups 😂😂😂 AND, just do you know Japanese women have the highest intake of phytoestrogens and the LOWEST rate of breast cancer. YOU’RE WELCOME.

[@imrevadasz4564]

@@angellighten3526 Does she eat starchy tubers, and/or grains? Those are one of the main food-groups.

[@steakovercake3986]

She's eating a highly anti nutrient diet and estrogenic. Good luck lady

[@patriciagriffin1505]

What do you mean

[@IamReallySanta]

No. Eat meat. Beef is life.