Is it Possible to Beat Sonic Adventure 2’s Dark Story with Only Knuckles?

[@SwankyBox]

UPDATE: Cosmic Wall has been cleared by brianpso! (TAS) ► kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3nSc5eJaal4gJY A big thanks to AxlThunder for helping out with Lost Colony's door skip! Check out their awesome, and honestly mind blowing speed runs on their channel! ► kzbin.info/door/uU3Yt4RXOm5pCDebwEqL1g

[@wrdgaf]

Sup

[@Toadzx]

SwankyBox Video request: what if Samus didn’t let the omega pirate fall on her giving her the phazon suit (Metroid prime). Without the phazon suit dark samus would not be created.

[@jasonvernish7366]

The boostpads launching you super far in mech stages is becouse for some reason the mechs only get a halved launch distance value and so the other characters go flying

[@Signerdragon123]

Is it possible to beat the Finalhazard with Rouge and Knuckles? I look forward to seeing if you feel like tackling this.

[@Pixiuchu]

Eyyy AxlThunder is a pretty cool dude (:

[@AdventureBlur]

“You know me, the fighting freak Knuckles and we’re at Cosmic Wall...YOU READY?”

[@znerd3664]

I love that pumpkin hill theme. Actually I love all of Knuckles' soundtracks

[@SwankyBox]

By far, Knuckles and Cosmic Wall are the absolute worst combination.

[@aceofdiamonds2218]

*and knuckles

[@ulysses5439]

I ain't gon' let it get it to me, I'm just gonna creep for some reason I'm immune to low gravity

[@snuffcassette7555]

Ulysses fuck that made me actually laugh

[@koolkrafter5]

12:08 Eventually, Knuckles stopped thinking.

[@thedreamingcosmonaut5660]

Is that a j o j o reference

[@Rahhelthethird]

Did you plan this too, Jojo?!

[@ultim8lifeform697]

Beat me to it lol

[@zolika1351]

Knuckles became half-mineral, half-animal

[@koolkrafter5]

@Dolce Rouge: "10 seconds is my current limit, Knuckles!"

[@axlthunder]

There is one,and only one thing that MIGHT make Cosmic Wall possible,but it's quite a stretch.Even though it goes mostly upwards,the part near the end where you get chased by the spike machine goes way down,and I mean WAY down. Because of this the goal ring is reachable as Eggman even from the earliest point you can slip out of bounds,which is quite a lot lower than how high it gets. And you still have extra height to play with. As Knuckles however,there would have to be a hole in the killplanes right in the area of the beginning of the stage that you could slip through without dying(like there is in Final Chase). But even then,I cannot guarantee there would be enough height. Leaning more towards that not being the case. It's the only remotely possible theory I thought up of,at least.I've always found so much fun,and far more replay value from this game by playing stages as character types that aren't supposed to be in it.

[@suddu1016]

Any idea for Egg Golem?

[@axlthunder]

Never thought about it much,but it feels unlikely given as far as i'm aware,there's no programmed collision between Knuckles' attacks and mech-exclusive shooting targets

[@hcnye]

If there is a gap between the kill planes, I feel like you are definitely onto something. Knuckles would actually have much more height to play around with than Eggman, provided he at least starts a bit higher than the goal ring. If it's ultimately lower then I'm not sure this is possible.

[@ChristopherMoom]

Unlike other KZbinrs who do "Is it Possible" challenges, *_Swanky doesn't chuckle_*

[@hurt4322]

He'd rather flex his muscles

[@spyrooooo8601]

Y u everwere

[@mattfromwiisports9414]

Stop following me

[@jennytulls6369]

He's hard as nails, it ain't hard to tell

[@joshrod2941]

🤣🤣🤣

[@DmitriDmitri]

You also solved a new mystery in this video. _I didn't know it was possible to cover Sonic adventure 2, and Knuckles, in the same video without using pumpkin hill zone._

[@marcdimartino9118]

^^^^

[@Torthrodhel]

Schpooky up in here!

[@Pedakin]

I was actually upset a bit that he didn’t use the music but... *I ain’t gone let it get to me*

[@marcdimartino9118]

@@Pedakin *You're just gonna creep*

[@emo-nordegraf]

@@marcdimartino9118 *down in pumpkin hill i gotta find my lost piece*

[@corbinbrindle1488]

Knuckles launches so far because of character weights knuckles being lighter than eggman who the boost ramp was designed for so it launches knuckles with the same amount of force to launch eggman

[@marcdimartino9118]

Thank you!

[@darkpaw1522]

You gotta appreciate that attention to detail by the designers though. Actually taking real world physics into consideration.

[@Proto_Emmy]

I figured that out the hard way on my modded play through.

[@Kiblia]

Exactly what i was gonna say.

[@Midnight_CIub]

Omochao kamakazis himself into the egg golem and dies in quicksand

[@zemoth941]

Seems like a win win to me.

[@shadowsnake5133]

@@zemoth941 had he ko'd the boss, I would have to agree. But at the moment, it's more like one and a half wins.

[@TheGameCreator13]

@@shadowsnake5133 I wonder if they could glitch omochao into infinitely damaging the boss... With what I've seen in the speedrunning community. Wouldn't surprise me if it were possible

[@possibly_ben]

*kamikaze's

[@DrexanRailex]

"so anyways, I started gliding"

[@donkarasu-9644]

Looks like Eggman duped Knuckles again, this time doing all the work for him

[@MiloTheMightyDude]

But can you beat Unleashed's night levels as the Hedgehog? Why is that what my mind immediately went to?

[@kieranstark7213]

Because it sounds like a very fascinating idea since Sonic Unleashed is one of the most top-notch post-Classic Sonic games up to the ranks of Sonic Adventure 1 and before the Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing duology.

[@Josh-The_Spooky_Bastard-]

Hanging onto those ledges and trying to slowly walk on them as Modern Sonic sounds so painful..

[@_Tzer]

sonic r is better than all stars because it makes actual sense

[@annaterehova7231]

*I SEE IT! I SEE IT NOW-*

[@Gmodfan750]

i dont think that's possible yet

[@Hermi0Taurus]

Power move idea for a mod: for both Rouge and Knuckles to clear some/most of the stages, have a mod that makes using Teasure Scope/Sunglasses more useful and have hidden springs and such!

[@kaiahosey221]

Knuckles: Trying to finish the game Rogue: *Z A W A R U D O*

[@Kiko_mirai]

TOKI WO TOMARE

[@UltimateLife4m]

I'm here to show what Ninten-can do, and what *ZAWARU-DON'T!*

[@Kiko_mirai]

@@UltimateLife4m "that doesn't even make any sense"

[@Sujiceel]

It's even 10 seconds lmao.

[@ZXNovaBoom]

Technically Rogue isn't stopping time, because you can see the objects in the room still moving and the timer still moving as well. She's just freezing *you*.

[@kylegarrett2429]

This game is held together with paperclips and bubblegum and I love it.

[@kylegarrett2429]

@Trayvon Collins cringe

[@deanmoriarty6015]

i mean, it’s almost 2 decades old and they’re rom hacking. not exactly gonna work as intended

[@erikawithaknotac]

r/rareinsults

[@MegamanXfan21xx]

If this is held together with paperclips and bubblegum, what is the average Bethesda game held together with?

[@FromBeyondTheGrave1]

@@MegamanXfan21xx The will of fans seeing something great in buggy games

[@TetraBitGaming]

This was a wild ride

[@__-_.]

Give Tetra more likes guys it’s been a whole year >:((

[@tammyoldman6083]

@@__-_. no :mock:

[@MaybeABanana]

Hi

[@gian3008]

I'm him ahhhhhh comment

[@emmbeesea]

Here I come Rougher than Knuckles The best if them Tougher than Knuckles You can call me Knuckles. Unlike Knuckles I don't chuckle I'd rather flex my knuckles.

[@Megamean09]

I'm hard as Knuckles It ain't hard to tell I break 'em down whether they solid or Knuckles

[@screechingpumpkin6727]

Siivagunner has entered the chat

[@themidnightotaku22]

Here I come Knuckly than the rest of them The best of Knuckles!

[@emmbeesea]

@@screechingpumpkin6727 | 😁🍅

[@screechingpumpkin6727]

@@emmbeesea Smiley tomato???

[@drcoolcabbage]

Our story begins with the nefarious Knuckles breaking into a military base that's rumored to contain his grandfather's secret weapons: the self-proclaimed "ultimate life form", Knuckles. After a demonstration of his power, Knuckles promises Knuckles a wish if Knuckles meets him on the space colony ARK. After collecting a few shards of the master emerald, Knuckles flies to his secret pyramid base, where he watches Knuckles steal a chaos emerald. Impressed, Knuckles heads to the ARK to meet Knuckles, where their plan in interrupted by the mysterious jewel thief, Knuckles. The three unlikely allies then launch an attack on the same base Knuckles was held at. Knuckles causes a distraction through an all-out attack on the base itself, while Knuckles steals the remaining Chaos Emeralds and Knuckles plants some explosives all around the island. However, Knuckles gets trapped, and when Knuckles goes to save him, he's interrupted by that fake bat, Rouge. After he punches the defenseless bat a few times, he goes to rescue Knuckles just in time, while he imagines Rouge driving off the highway into the ocean.

[@Julian_Pepper]

4:55 that happens because of how character stats work, mechs are much heavier than anything else, so ramps and spring have their power amplified to account for this, because Knuckles is way lighter than the mechs, he gets sent flying from either

[@edfreak9001]

The launchpad thing is probably to do with each character's specific physics and weight/acceleration, mechs are heavy and slow comparatively speaking and the pads just apply speed instead of sending you in a specific arc.

[@barkbuck5521]

That last rival fight is bad enough with the correct characters, looks like a nightmare with Knuckles and Rouge

[@awesomeguy2009]

3:22 That's funny, because gliding for long distances in the classic games actually gradually speeds you up. I get why it would slow you down in the 3D games, though. Obviously you can glide for much longer in 3D lol

[@seto007]

"Half a year ago" Why do people have to constantly remind me of the closing curtain that is life, and how temporary it is?

[@luginess0]

cant wait for "is it possible to beat last story with shadow?"

[@shybandit521]

F!

[@Pixiuchu]

You'll be stuck in Tails' section as Shadow because, even if you could make it to the end of the section (which is likely impossible because there are a few dynamites and even then there's a huge gap PLUS dynamites that Shadow probably can't jump across, though I'm likely wrong about that. Even then, dynamites), you won't be able to destroy the door. So... No!

[@Ash_and_Ember00]

You wouldn't be able to get past the swimming section in knuckles area with shadow

[@Pixiuchu]

@@Ash_and_Ember00 It should be possible, just a bit hard. But there's no real obstacle that prevents Shadow from completing Knuckles' section iirc. (There are bubbles underwater which replenishes your oxygen)

[@braydenhall1446]

More Like Rouge Because From My Knowledge Shadow Is Only Used In The Boss Fights! Rouge Would Make More Sense Cause 1:She's A Treasure Hunting Character 2:With Her It's Actually Possible To Beat Hero Story

[@deletedTestimony]

So basically, Rouge makes a better Hero than Knuckles trying to be a villain.

[@Sonic171K]

Man, I love the SA2 character models. They have the best models for the characters.

[@osc-omb47896]

scu and sa1 dreamcast models are nice aswell but yeah I agree

[@Andresitum]

i discovered that if you smash buttons while getting paralyzed with Chaos Control/Charm Ray you reduce your time much quicker and get free in short time

[@caleblawson9976]

“Born on an island in the heavens. The blood of my ancestors flow inside. My duty is to save the flowers from deterioration YEAH

[@pinhead7422]

"...and what hero has stepped up to the challenge?" Knock! Knock! It's Knuckles!

[@Solesteam]

*when knuckles takes his digging to the next level and digs through a whole stage*

[@christianreyessaenz6822]

Fun fact, if you spin the thumbstick fast enough...you can perform the uppercut without the use of a full combo. Same rule applies to Rouge's rising kick

[@IlBellissimo10]

Knuckles can do it all, he’s got so many skills and abilities, a mixture of speed and strength. I don’t know why they don’t make a new Chaotix game just in 3D. Just without the ring pulling mechanics but something similar to the way Tails follows Sonic. Maybe interchangeable like Sonic Heroes.

[@tevlonwater5643]

9:38 Knuckles is so damn mad at Rouge lol

[@Crystalluss]

"no talk me i angy."

[@TheBohobemeister]

As always, wonderful video! So, while Rouge is able is beat the Hero Story by herself, Knuckles isn't able to beat the Dark Story by himself, due to two stages and one boss (or one stage and one boss if you don't count the driving stage).

[@siontix8795]

Hey, man, you do AMAZING SAB2 videos. I've been watching these while doing Finals and am so immersed into these videos... Hope to see more SAB2, but more than anything, I think it'd be so cool to see challenges of this nature done in Sonic Adventure DX one day.

[@osc-omb47896]

SA2B*

[@TheCreepypro]

I didn't think he would be worse than rouge but ok it was fun to watch you find work around for the other levels

[@sagacious03]

Been a long time since I saw a challenge run like this! Shame there weren't as many other crazy challenges overcome in this, but still fun! Would love to see more like this from you!

[@stevenxenoknight3845]

Thank you as always for attempting the run.

[@Icedragon01234]

I wonder about non-speed characters in the Biolizard fight

[@Dragonmaster_5001]

It would probably be impossible since only speed characters can grind rails

[@Icedragon01234]

Dragonmaster #5001 Sonic can speedrun it in SA2, plus the point is to check out to see what would happen

[@scrapyarddragon]

We've waited so long but now he's really doing it.

[@Nightcaat]

Is it possible to finish my homework on time if I watch SwankyBox videos?

[@isaacfields7923]

Can't wait for beating the Hero/Dark story with Sonic/Shadow

[@AquaFan1998]

Omg i loved the perfect kars reference, i had to double take the clip as i couldnt beleve it lol

[@ThatOneGuy-wr8rh]

he doesn't chuckle ...except he did literally the 3rd thing he did 1. beat the shiny rocks out of a piss rat 2. steal shiny rocks 3. chuckle 4. leave

[@zentendoxn8955]

How About Dark Story As Only Sonic, Dark Story As Only Tails, Hero Story As Only Shadow, And Hero Story With Only Dr. Eggman?

[@ultralowspekken]

Get ready for Rouge% speedruns. Oh boy. Ooooooh boy.

[@Manah]

Dang, our boy the fighting freak Knuckles couldn't win the day! Knuckles had the sickest songs man.

[@Pixiuchu]

If I had to take a guess, it's possible until Cosmic Walls. (edit: not considering bosses) Iron Gate: you can climb on top and just fly to the end. Sand Ocean: you can fly to the end, very fun to play as Knuckles IMO. Radical Highway: you can literally fly to the end from the beginning of the stage granted you know where to go. Lost Colony: You can pass through the first ceiling and then fly to the big autoscroller. Pretty sure you can also pass through the ceiling, but I forgot. Weapon's Bed, White Jungles & Sky Rail: open area thus possible. Cosmic Walls: you don't jump high enough, thus impossible. It is however very likely possible you can go through a killplane ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, after which you can then fly to the end since, even though the whole stage is upwards, at the final autoscroller at the end there's a huge downslope thing which makes it go far below the spawn point (at about -3,000 on the Y axis). Final Chase: possible because open area. After watching, I was mostly right lol. Neat tech for LC though (:

[@Progamer1013]

6:45 Huh, neat that it says “Radical Highway” on the overpass there. Cool little Easter egg sort of thing. Never noticed it in my many years of playing this game.

[@tailsxcream]

I would like to see a Tails challenge for this without the mecha.

[@its_heeho]

The game has a panic attack if you do that

[@marcdimartino9118]

@@its_heeho XD Really?

[@its_heeho]

@@marcdimartino9118 Yeah it starts glitching out and eventually crashes.

[@marcdimartino9118]

@@its_heeho Bummer. Because Tails can fly infinitely in SA2. Would have made for some cool scenarios.

[@its_heeho]

@@marcdimartino9118 If only Tails lasted long enough to get to the truck segment of City Escape.

[@bhull242]

4:50 I think the reason why jump pads launch Knuckles out of the stage is because they were placed in a way so that Eggman in his mech would make the jump to the next platform, and mechs don’t get as much speed, height, or distance from jump pads, boost pads, or springs as characters not in mechs. Most mech stages don’t have these jump pads in an area without walls or ceilings to halt your momentum if they overshoot, so you simply never encountered them before this particular stage.

[@JelloSickle98]

Oooh awesome I actually was wondering about this after seeing your rogue video

[@Anafyral666]

It occurs because the launchpads and springs are based around character physics too, so even with physics mods around the characters the levels are supposed to be in (like replacing Eggman and Tails's physics with Gamma's from SA1) the trajectory mildly breaks and you can see out of bounds by accident because of if

[@themidnightotaku22]

That’s one cosmic wall you can’t punch through...

[@Pixiuchu]

Needs more likes.

[@zaikage386]

Lmfaooo

[@killerfoxraspberryplays8903]

I kinda want to see shadow do all sonic stages because you know :.. shadow doesn’t have all the same upgrades as sonic like him lacking the vary important bounce band

[@Neogears1312]

mech stage launchers sending you absurd distances is because the mechs do in fact weigh a lot more than non mechs. in normal gameplay this is to keep them from getting castlevania'd into pits due to your size but this also makes it so intentional knock back components like the springs send you no distance what so ever. so they compensate by jacking up kncokback levels enough to clear the intended distance. so essentially playing eggman in non eggman levels has springs do nothing for you where as playing non mechs in mechs will send you to orbit.

[@Daeneiracorn]

okay, who else loves swanky's voice?. like, it's just satisfying, it's like speaking in a certain font, a nice font, with perfect grammar.

[@Minertaco]

This confirms Rouge% as a viable speedrun, thank goodness

[@diamondinthesky4771]

Interesting thing.....you actually can dig in Sky Rail So far, it's the only base game non-treasure hunting stage I have found that Knuckles can dig in.

[@RamielEdits]

Knuckles looks like hes about to use chaos blast XD

[@Snoc75]

Dude, I've been playing this game since 2006, and only NOW do I know that Knuckles has a mach speed animation thanks to this video lmfaoo.

[@NaimHrustanovic]

Your downward inflection is absolutely hilarious. Great video, but please - work on that!

[@OrcaKillerWhalePlaysOFFICIAL]

Challenge:do Last Story with Chaos.

[@nahte123456]

I'd label the car level as not counting, not only does Knuckles have a car so it's silly to not let him use it, but it's not even a normal level.

[@chrisamsberry6011]

Great vids and interesting concepts as always. another cool spin on a childhood favorite and the Rouge run in crazy gadget in the previous video would haunt me if I ever tried that :D

[@InfinityOrNone]

I'd say Route 280 is completable by Knuckles. As you said, he *does* have a car, the game just isn't letting him use it. If he was allowed to use the options he does have, it would be no issue, and it's only an arbitrary restriction stopping him.

[@ShadowBlazer3000]

Omochao can hurt the Golem! Haha and they said he was useless!

[@MaybeMizuki]

tbh I think it would be super funny if Knuckes just ran along on route 280 ^^ also I guess Sonic Booms Knuckles could beat cosmic wall super easy :p

[@jelehu]

Looks like the gravity in Cosmic Wall does apply to Knuckles in 2 cases: 1. When you hit something 2.When you get hit

[@bramnemeth565]

Knuckles the Echidna. The ultimate life form.

[@JumperIncorp]

Now, I'm just waiting for you to complete Final Story as Knuckles with Rouge's body.

[@usuario15965]

The reason the dash pads in sand ocean send you way to far is because its meant for heavier characters like eggman and tails so they boost it up so it can match their weight

[@lmpst7915]

Im gunna assume eggman and tails are programmed with more weight/gravity, so being lighter may screw with that? Assuming its going off of potential acceleration and jump height? I guess thats easier than programming two separate types of booster?

[@Clara_Page]

That's what I figures too since SA2 unlike the modern games has a proper physics engine

[@timestoper5072]

I was waiting for this thank you swankybox your the best I love these videos

[@jmas2593]

No one: SwankyBox: can you beat dark story with knuckles

[@Kyoko_]

You should have asked your speedrunner friend about the driving level.

[@partypiggaming9344]

It's not the speedrun friend who made the mod. Even if someone could put all the effort into putting knuckles in the car chase we can assume that it is easily possible.

[@SHMOUSEY86]

I think the boost ramps on sand ocean sent you flying because they’re calibrated to Eggman’s weight, which is significantly higher than Knuckle’s thanks to Eggman’s mech.

[@pkmntrainermark8881]

"You'll die from doing it, but it's still neat."

[@PhantomAarantula]

Rouge has a significantly harder run, but she can also complete the game all by herself. Meanwhile, Knuckles has a signficiantly easier run, but it's impossible. Still hard to see this as a win for Knux, but it was fun to watch.

[@lauraschantz9058]

Oh man, this is taking me back to my teen years.

[@stupidlegoproductions]

I think the boost pads send you flying as any other characters that aren’t mechs in mech stages because the mechs don’t go as fast and if they were to go through a normal pad, they wouldn’t be able to cross, so the boost pads in the mech stages make you go farther.

[@GarryDumblowski]

"Indoor shoot-em-up levels are the worst" -Swanky, while showing Crazy Gadget, a speed level.

[@derekc2425]

Quick answer - no. Why - Knuckles can't drive. However this makes me want to ask if the game is fully clearable as Tails in Dark Story

[@tybracadabra6321]

The dash boards prolly don’t work right in shooting levels because the ramps have a set momentum that correlates with the respective character’s in-game weight for the physics engine. Thus a ramp made for eggman’s heavy mech would launch the lighter knuckles wayyy farther. (Think aerial faith plates in Portal 2)

[@ShadowYoshi-Vincent-]

Now we just wait until you decide to try going through the opposing stories as either Eggman or Tails

[@BushidoBrownSama]

"fall forever & never die" is that Kars?

[@Roebey]

My main theory as to why the dash pads at the end of Sand Ocean don't work is because they were intended to be used by a mech character, who is heavier than any of the non-mech characters. Because of this, the extra speed programmed into those dash pads to make up for Eggman's heft proves harmful for any other character, because they were never meant to interact.

[@nyancatpoptart5441]

Knuckles Knuckles, he's our man! If he can't do it...... probably Sonic can.....

[@RatedPG64]

I’m surprised you survived Rouge’s Stopping time with no rings!

[@karanoelle4819]

Question: For the Egg Golem fight, are you able to dig into the platforms you stand on up top? There's a chance to dig up skulls and whatnot IIRC as a hunter. If you can dig one up, can you throw it at the Egg Golem to damage it? I imagine Omochao counting as a flying "thrown item" when he's flying around so pumpkins and skulls should do damage too.

[@AquaFan1998]

The reason why knuckles goes super far on the launch pads is simple, the mech characters are programed to be heavier and stuff so the launch sends speed and hunter characters super far because in the game they are lighter then the super heavy robots and thats why, the launch pad is more powerful to account for the heavier characters that normally go through the stage

[@KittyKatty999]

Built a Space Wall, and make the Echindias pay for it!

[@Brian-rx9sp]

When Angel Island sends its Echidnas they're not sending their best. They're sending Echidnas with lots of exploits and they're bringing those exploits to Dark Story. They're bringing glide extend. They're bringing stage clipping. They're speedrunners, and some, I assume, are good people.

[@DaJodad]

Suddenly recommended to me. Sweet nostalgia

[@burningbandit]

I think the launch pad problem occurs because the mech is really slow and falls fast so they increased the speed of the launch pad to compensate, but this is just a guess

[@Jeyrolami]

Rouge: _ZA WARUDO_

[@sky-sx5gt]

Now I want to see a video of only playing werehog in day time stages or shadow in knuckles/rouges levels

[@nerosoul2506]

I think The launchpad glitch happpens due to tails and eggman’s higher weight which stops them while they are launched but knuckles doesn’t have that so he goes *WOOOOOOOSH*

[@voltingmaster5458]

Cosmic Wall: Exists. Brianspo: I’m about to end this levels career.

[@mdudegamer]

Huh. I expected gliding would be able to damage Egg Golem. Not sure why.

[@airmanon7213]

So... what about Sonic, Shadow, Tails, and Eggman? What if they had to go through the same challenge to?

[@blackdot105]

Heh, I was wondering if you were gonna do this