Is It Time to Remove Iron Farms?

Iron Golem farms have been in Minecraft for a very long time. But is it time to finally get rid of them and replace them with something better?
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[@erikpatrone1077]

The problem with mining is that it doesn't change: when you finish a project you want to move on and do something else but when you finish mining you know that you will have to do it again

[@P4T098]

Mine... the mine never changes

[@helium-379]

They need to make mining more interesting if the iron farm is going away. A cave update is appropriate. The cave update can include a miner villager variant that you can employ.

[@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth]

Erik Patrone | Minecraft used to be about survival. Mining was a chore, but it was motivated by need. Nowadays, Minecraft is much more about exploration and construction. You no longer gather resources out of necessity, you do it as a side-effect of exploring and discovering. The Overworld, oceans, the End, and now even the Nether have all grown to reflect this... but the underground remains untouched. They need to make the underground as interesting to explore as the Overworld. Until we actively *want* to go down there without motivation, mining will continue to feel like a chore.

[@someguy5766]

Sarc also did say that only people who play mods want handholding, so I don't particularly think he actually plays the game at all.

[@brandonloiacono2015]

More like that you have to do it again for HOURS

[@SirDunzo]

"Iron golem farm" Me an intellectual: "Poppy farm"

[@KatoGS123]

Me, an hillbilly: eeeeeee doggys, that there’s a flower dropper and a way to make me a new axe for chopping down trees

[@skylark306]

Me, a rimworld player: "automated warcrime"

[@jacksonpercy8044]

Me, a boomer: "Rose farm"

[@tobuscuslover4172]

Me, a mute: “ “

[@TheOfficialJeb]

Me a hyper intellectual: *cat and string farm*

[@mid-boss6461]

"this game is not about popping out metal men and murdering them" it's about doing whatever you want, that includes popping out metal men and murdering them.

[@fruit_coketail3652]

It IS a sandbox game and people do forget that.

[@gamogi7142]

Yup. There is no proper way of playing the game and people shouldn't fight that. If you think you should only get iron from mining, you can just not build a farm. If I want to build a contraption that has a thousand hoppers, and comparators, I should be able to build afk iron, gold, and bartering farms to get absurd levels of materials without spending insane amounts of time doing the brain dead activity of mining where I'm paying more attention to a KZbin video than the game I'm supposedly playing

[@eomoran]

@@gamogi7142 he’s not saying your shouldn’t have iron farms, he’s saying there must be better end game solution that fits with the core features of the game as opposed what is basically an exploit

[@eross.carmona7235]

@@eomoran I like adding more options. But I wouldn't remove the previous options. As others have said, each person should be able to play the game the way they prefer. And for those who prefer mining, to add more options on that area, I would absolutely agree. But I think it's unnecessary to remove the iron farms

[@-jump6211]

@@eomoran optimising an intended feature is not an exploit, iron farms were much harder to make in 1.13 and much slower. Mojang made the conscious decision to change the golem spawning mechanics and then simplified them more and more until 1.14.4 where they settled on the current design. Mojang made iron farms OP and easy by intention, it is not an exploit.

[@InventorZahran]

Hot take: due to its widespread use in crafting recipes that we tend to make a lot of (hoppers, anvils, rails), iron is no longer a "valuable treasure" like gold or diamonds are. I consider iron to be almost comparable to stone in terms of its versatility and the need to gather large quantities of it for most projects. Since wood, stone, and iron are the most common building and crafting materials, there should be ways to farm all of them efficiently so that late-game players don't have to waste their time mining. Wood can be farmed with trees, and stone can be farmed with a stone generator, so iron should be farmable in some way. I think iron golem farms are acceptable, as they are still relatively difficult to initially set up (you must obtain villagers and a zombie, and get them all into the right positions in order for the farm to work). Iron farms do NOT make mining irrelevant in the late game, as there are so many other more valuable resources that can only be found [in significant quantities] by mining: Diamonds, copper, Redstone, amethyst, deepslate, Axolotls, and the upcoming Ancient Cities. If anything, mining is more pleasant when my inventory doesn't constantly get crowded with iron.

[@user-ox4bv3it4i]

Honestly yea, iron is just basic especially for set up for the long game. Need clearing land for a project that can gain wealth? Use iron a cheap and reliable resource. After that and huddled in does mining become bigger in need of diamonds

[@glorifiedtoaster2316]

I completely agree. Iron farms aren't stopping people from mining because you still need to mine. Whether it's because you just started or need diffrent ores. If they are really so concerned about them then just make them harder to build so that it's even more of a late game thing.

[@shatteredsky01]

and at this point, copper, redstone, and amethyst are all farmable, so mining is really only for things like diamonds and the other stones like deepslate, diorite, granite, etc.

[@reticentdeity2149]

Iron farms are incredibly easy to set up early game. Every survival server I join has the exact same iron farm being used day 1. These are average players using these farms day 1 on a brand new survival server. That's how widespread it is, and how remarkably simple it is to build one of these farms. It is beyond broken. In the grand scheme of it all, I agree that it doesn't affect mining, but it completely ruins progression for early-game players.

[@sufi5416]

I think iron can be useful when it comes down to Villager trading

[@vilebeggar622]

love how the next video in recommendation is ilmango's "iron farms should stay" video

[@adithyaudupa]

Same 😂

[@Nevir202]

For me too lol

[@wabbit4936]

i got tangos "1 golem every 2 seconds" vid iron-ic i really shouldn't make naf iron puns. . .

[@argonaut8560]

Same

[@robertwillsea3338]

Same

[@goovn822]

"a game about mining and at it's core, gathering resources should be based around... mining." cave update when mojang edit: cave update now mojang yeet

[@mopman4495]

Yes!!!

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

But the game's actual core is for players to play the game however they wanted... Silly Sarc

[@Lukas.Cancelosi]

1.17 most likely, 1.16 has so many meta game features and coding quirks that make a lot of sense for a cave update because of its unfit implementation in the nether

[@nbow51]

Zhander Drake it honestly would feel more gratifying to build a fleet of mining carts to get iron than building an AFK farm. But as it stands minecarts and TNT cause a lot of lag. TNT is much less since 1.15 but they're still both very unoptimized features. Most servers I've been on don't allow any minecarts to be used. Another problem with the minecart automation method is chunk loading. Sure a minecart could go off and place rails/TNT but when you send a cart off into an unloaded chunk or recall a cart from an unloaded chunk you're gonna have issues. So you really couldn't build a control hub, you'd have to walk along with the mining carts to get the effect you want.

[@tiashadrows3469]

Mopman majang:sorry but speak English we can hear you

[@theprofessor3339]

If they start patching out farms, especially iron farms, then I think I'd just play the old updates. Resource farms are a fun mid-to-late stage game project. There's nothing more satisfying than pouring hundreds of hours building resource farms and item transportation for late game when I'm ready to just build constantly

[@denks7849]

@Biel the vast majority of players do not utilize any tech, so the game would not die. and even those that do, many would not jump ship because there is no real alternative. and even if they did, minecraft is not very profitable in any case. hopefully the game becomes more oriented towards natural progression and not remaining a cheeseable exploit-fest. the only reason for farms is to build-those farms aren't the end-all solution to acquiring materials to build things in a way that doesn't require grinding.

[@shubhamdhull2060]

@Biel i consider my self as a good minecraft player yet i never had consistance iron farm in any of world only 0.5% player will be willing to stop playing

[@cosygoose1813]

​@@denks7849 KZbinrs need farms like iron farms to get the resources they need to build things in survival. Look at hermitcraft the suver is run on farms and look what they build every season most players have a mega base. Minecraft needs KZbinrs to survive, and they can't spend all day mining. Without the KZbinrs uploading often enough to stay relevant the game will slowly die. Servers like the dreams smo die out pretty quickly due to the lack of sustainability and burn out, while KZbinrs who constantly keep uploading and making videos are making sure the game stays alive long term.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

People are playing even older updates before iron farms existed for the same reason though.

[@ECFOX909]

This is kinda a non-issue really, its something that players made that lets them make their own fun as the original founding tenent of the game demands. But I do like the idea of making different alternatives as we should keep iron golem farms but maybe also have other ways of getting Iron

[@iakahdrake2801]

”minecarts are pretty user friendly“ no, they’re annoying, laggy and have a tendency to randomly despawn or glitch away

[@Progeusz]

Yeah, I couldn't believe my ears when he said that. Minecarts are awful. Slow, clunky and worst of all, incredibly buggy.

[@theemptyone7739]

They should do a Minecart / Railroad update.

[@NotLe0n]

Someone actually tried to implement dispenser minecarts as a mod, but stopped because they got too frustrated with how buggy they are.

[@Komatic5]

My super smelter's minecarts stop working half of the time so I have to break into the system and fix it

[@TwistedMotorcityCustoms]

and they tend to just stop moving when chunks unload which is a problem for a large scale mining operation as described in the video

[@ABONKERSCHICKEN]

"Iron ingots free of charge" You have severely undervalued the amount of time me and my friends took trying to get an iron farm working ahahaha

[@joshuacastillo6003]

And the mental strain of wrangling up villagers.

[@ABONKERSCHICKEN]

@@joshuacastillo6003 lol tell me about it, absolute nightmare

[@jakebake0652]

Your guys villagers made it to the farms?

[@TJayMid]

@@joshuacastillo6003 put a villager in a boat and connect a lead to it. the easiest way i’ve found

[@michaelsmith9595]

I have a singleplayer hardcore world and it only took me 1 and a half hours to make 1

[@AkayCat]

With all respect, I personally disagree with this idea As a technical player and also a builder, the removal of farms would make me completely lose interest in playing the game on survival. It would officially kill the game for me Minecraft is one of the few games where bugs, glitches and exploit actually improve the game, taking those away would make the game boring Not to mention that a game in wich I would spend 80% of time mining, in ENDGAME... Like... Dude... I just enjoy the feeling of having the game automatically collect resources for me, while I focus on building awesome projects or building more farms I should also mention how building farms and then finally using em once they're done, is one of the most satisfying and best part of the game, at least for a technical player like me Me and my friend spent 2 days to build CowKing's Raid Farm that produces over 80k emeralds per hour, it was very fun and satisfying One thing that minecraft misses in its intended gameplay is actual automation And as long as it doesn't have intended automation, the community will never stop finding exploits that can in some way automate the game But Mojang itself said that they didn't want Minecraft to turn into Factorio... Therefore this is a change that we will never see To me personally, saying that Iron farms should be removed to encourage players to mine for iron, is the same logic of those who'd like elytra to be removed, to encourage players using minecarts or horses The game needs a sense of progress, it should require you to mine at start, but once I reach endgame, I demand some kind of automation And while more traditional players may like your idea more... As a progressive player, I personally dislike it a lot... I wouldn't play a game with infinite possibilities, but doesn't allow automation...

[@sunnythegreat9312]

I'm a technical player too along with playing competitively, but I only build most of my stuff in creative mode. I have never completed a survival world. I create a new survival world and already forget about it during the early game. I would like to enter the late game stage in a survival world, but I'm never able to do that. That's why all the automatic farms, Redstone contraptions, and any building projects are in a creative world for me. The only farms I built in survival mode are simple non-automating wheat farms. How do I keep playing a survival world and complete any project, since most of my projects(Not only in Minecraft) are incomplete is anyone knows how? Also, I ironically started liking and playing Minecraft since I was 12 or since Minecraft 1.12.2 update because my mother and everyone else who knew me really wanted me to enjoy Minecraft when I was 6 or something. They encouraged it for like about 1 and a half years or something, but I rejected and despised it back then clearly not knowing what it actually was

[@jamjam-sp3he]

also if they remove iron farms what is next? gold farms, they abuse spawning mechanics; villager powered crop farms as they abuse villager mechanics. and then if we remove all of these things the just becomes a bland mush that is more of a grind than skyblock

[@channel4saleailuro839]

its 2 years old AND iron farms are still existing

[@lidiouz1439]

Couldn't agree more to this comment

[@castiron2844]

well said

[@SLASHY_SSB]

I personally like making automatic farms. It's actually the main draw-in progression for me

[@dragonbro_538]

Same for me

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

It is, but there should be lots of things to make that aren't iron farms.

[@SSJ22Terris]

I mean, if the Meta were to change to TNT mining we'd still be relying on an exploit, since there's no non-exploitative way to farm Gunpowder or Sand that you would need in high amounts to mine efficiently this way. Rails/Minecarts aren't a good sollution either since they also consume a large quantity of Iron, the rate of return on investment would likely be low, inefficient and likely poorly received. I think a better way would be to simply introduce a new mechanic like Dowsing, that trivializes Iron and Gold Mining (maybe redstone too idk). So that mining for those frequently used materials is less time consuming.

[@-hello6177]

Obviously a tnt update would completely nerf gumpowder necessity or add some other way to get it, in this very update there's people using beds to mine with explosion rather than tnt, after mojang tried to add better mining options to tnt (every item falls instead of some being destroyed)

[@tomshrosbree1189]

‘No non exploitive way to farm gunpowder and sand’ how about killing creepers and mining a desert or beach 🙄.

[@SSJ22Terris]

@@tomshrosbree1189 Farm, not gather on mass. Killing creepers is unreliable as there's no guaranteed method of spawning them. You have to mix them in with other mobs, and your just not going to get very much very quickly just cave running. So the only way to get Gunpowder in plentiful amounts enough to realistically get a full scale TNT mine going is by making a Mob Grinder, which is exploitative. And while you can dig out a desert, everybody hates it for how incredibly tedious it is. It's fine if you only need a relatively small amount, but on the thousands you'd need for large scale mining, it's just obnoxiously slow. It's a lot less a problem than Gunpowder, but people are gonna be really grouchy when they're digging out their deserts, ruining the topography, in place of just making an iron farm like before.

[@SSJ22Terris]

@@andermium yes, but that's very much an exploit. Which was my main point. If the devs don't want Iron farms to be so prevalent because it goes so far away from the intended purpose and effect, than shifting the means of getting Iron to a different exploitative farm isn't really addressing the fundamental issue being targeted, while also disrupting the player experience. It'd be a net loss, for both sides.

[@tomshrosbree1189]

SSJ22Terris I’ve got no mob grinder in my survival world and I still have stacks of gunpowder, in my opinion it would be a lot more fun to camp outside for a few nights and go looking for creepers, it will take some time but it would be worth it for the sense of achievement you would get (btw I think the tnt idea is bad anyway and it would be better to just do some good old mining and would be more effective) also saying that gathering sand is tedious is a but stupid because if you think like that then mining for diamonds is tedious and so is getting wood, the whole idea of survival is that you need to put the effort in to do what u wanna do so even if something is boring or tedious you need to do it if u want to do the fun stuff, if u cant be bothered to harvest resources then you should just play creative.

[@notrod5341]

I don't think it's fair for you to say that the "game is about mining", sarc. The game is about what you want to do. If I want to build automatic farms, why shouldn't I be allowed to? Not to mention this sets a bad precident. What also counts as an exploitable farm? Are mob grinders an exploit? They mean you don't have to fight mobs anymore, that's removing a feature of the game. I appreciate your attempts to make mining more industrial, it's an interesting idea, and I fully support your ideas, but I don't want mojang policing playstyles. There is no reason both features can't exist. There's more stuff underground than iron, after all. Next person to tell me the game is called minecraft is getting kneecapped. Its a sandbox game, the game is about what you want it to be about.

[@jonatannugi]

Badarm I thought mostly the save r thing, but you put it a lot better than I ever could, great comment!!

[@dvorak2676]

very interesting, how you spelled "president"

[@notrod5341]

@@dvorak2676 Whoops, autocorrected to the wrong thing.

[@emperorbooglitch8540]

I think adding a dynamic where deep in the earth, several different mobs can make more ores, infinitely generating events! From volcanoes to earthquakes. I also think that creative, survival, adventure and cheat modes should be separated so none of their mechanics mess with each other. (Except for cheat mode, which allows people to check out worlds and is the base for all servers and modders).

[@Registeel1234]

I agree. When you look at it, mining is hardly the main aspect Minecraft is about. I'd argue that building is the main aspect, with bit of combat, exploration, boss fighting and mining.

[@OmegaTC666]

Some people: "Iron farms bad!" Others: "Iron Farms good!" Modders: *laughs in Mystical Agriculture*

[@jonashardenhaug179]

And many other mods who enables either infinite mining (like minefactory reloaded`s laser drill, enviromental tech`s void miner (minecraftia equivalent for matter synthesizing without needing to fuse together compounds below iron)) or spawns mobs who drops iron ingots, nuggets, ores or gear (such as lycanite mobs geonachs, tech guns zombie miners, and scaling health due to increased chance of spawning armored mobs like zombies and skeletons).

[@djhypernova4560]

Just use those ore turtles from quark

[@Osama-Bon-Jovi-01]

@@jonashardenhaug179 I think if there was some sort of quarry in vanilla that would be a good replacement

[@rebeccarosales5792]

Matpat:Iron golems we're created by our ancestors so we should not kill them

[@Louis_2568]

@@jonashardenhaug179 laughs in Project E

[@SyrainBloodForge]

Ah yes. Exactly what I want in my single player sandbox world. More restrictions, less ability to do what I want to do, and less ability to have a reliable alternative to long mining sessions in which I'm not really getting anything done.

[@theisgood0]

Then don't play the game titled Minecraft. If its such an issue to Mine in a game about Mining why don't you just spawn in Iron considering you are exploiting the game by building the farm anyways. There is no difference. You still get it for free doing nothing.

[@feilkate5892]

@@theisgood0 based

[@lukasgonzalez9086]

@@theisgood0 how is he exploiting the game

[@lukasgonzalez9086]

its just using the game mechanics to build something

[@SyrainBloodForge]

@@theisgood0 You're hung up on the "Mine" portion of the game title. But the other portion is "craft". So because I don't like mining for Iron, I choose to CRAFT something that streamlines the process. Thats whats great about this game, I can do what I want.

[@crabbiejason7261]

Bedrock players: Don’t do this to us. Not when we’re this close.

[@lootboxersidn9158]

Yea, bedrock just got its iron farm buffed even if its only a bit its an improvement

[@creakycracker]

I had to move to Java when I watched a uTube on how to duplicate and then I felt cheap and dirty. I ruined the fun on one of my Realms and don't want to play it anymore. I wish they would fix it but it's been years and it's still there. Is it that hard to fix a piston glitch?

[@pancake9978]

@@lootboxersidn9158 bit? 10 times faster is not a bit lmao

[@lootboxersidn9158]

@@pancake9978 but still not as good as java tho

[@moresheep4854]

still far more than enough

[@davidg.8031]

They actually tried it once, where they removed automatic iron farming (and other auto farms), but it met with so much community pushback that mojang actually reversed and brought them back. Minecraft is not a game, like others have already said, about mining, but about doing what you want. What would be better than taking out a mechanic that a lot of players use, and forcing them to play a certain way, would be to try and promote a more traditional mining based playstyle and entice the player into mining. With perhaps an update that would improve the way things are done manually. By an update that would maybe... maybe improve caving and such........ .......

[@davidg.8031]

@@GrandProtectorDark it was the 1.8 snapshot 14w03. You had to manually hit golems and mobs in general in order to collect any items. After community backlash they changed it. It was over 6 years ago so yeah I just have a good memory

[@jacksonpercy8044]

@@davidg.8031 I remember that as if it was yesterday. When I heard about the change I was _not happy_

[@user-gb7ji6xy5d]

How did they try to prevent it though? Even if they change the rules based on which Golems spawn, the restone engineers could've just adjusted the farm to suit the new rules.

[@jacksonpercy8044]

@@user-gb7ji6xy5d They were gonna make it so golems wouldn't drop iron unless the player hit them, and this was long before mending or sweeping edge were a thing, so it would pretty much completely kill the AFK aspect of iron farms.

[@user-gb7ji6xy5d]

@@jacksonpercy8044 I see. Although I figure plenty of players would still be complacent with having to manually hack at them like they do in a Blaze farm.

[@NezumiiroGray]

I think it comes down to, "what is the best method for getting iron?" If the answer is "iron golems" then that is where the community goes. I don't think we need to remove iron golem farms, mechanics, or anything like that. Just give us a more vanilla-feeling method that is just as lucrative. I like the idea of changing the way minecarts work. They feel very underwhelming and undeveloped, compared to a lot of the other options in the game. We've seen tons of updates and changes to redstone over the years, but it feels like Minecarts haven't been touched. If minecarts became the new "iron farm" meta, then that is where the community would go, regardless of iron golems being changed or removed.

[@tsunamio7750]

7:32 Why remove Iron Farms if you replace them with a better alternative? If the alternative is good enough, you won't need to replace it for people to almost completely drop the redundant option. In fact, it would be a good baseline to see if your new feature is even worth it.

[@kringle7804]

Because it's about spirit doesn't matter if you get more from a built-in feature than a bug it's better to make the feature because the integrity of your game is kept and art isn't changed naturally

[@tsunamio7750]

@@kringle7804 What is the spirit? The Holy Spirit? What do you mean by integrity? Is Minecraft lacking integrity? What do you even call art? Why should it or should it not be "changed naturally"? Your comment is nonsense in my language. Please explain.

[@ddandymann]

@@kringle7804 Nothing about iron farms is a bug, it's simply making creative use of intended mechanics. Zombies scaring villagers is an intended mechanic, villagers spawning golums when scared is an intended mechanic, water pushing mobs is an intended mechanic and lava killing mobs is an intended mechanic. An iron farm is simply putting all these different mechanics together to create a renewable source of iron.

[@KerbalChris]

guess we found out how he got the purple eye

[@rbda8921]

He got destroyed by the communit

[@destroyerthepro1101]

@@rbda8921 for obvious reasons

[@thetalentlesscult3559]

So basically... Objective: Ending iron farms Problem: Lack of cave update Edit: Yes I know cave update is coming

[@georgeryan8267]

Microsoft doesn't understand the reason people keep trying to find ways to not mine

[@dirtydoigler2116]

@@georgeryan8267 the devs even tried making solutions to not mining. Like desert temples, sunken ships, etc.

[@georgeryan8267]

@@dirtydoigler2116 but those are biome and ocean dependent You can find caves anywhere That's why they need a cave update

[@dirtydoigler2116]

@@georgeryan8267 cave update for sure. Just saying even the devs know how bad it is and still won't give it to us.

[@georgeryan8267]

@@dirtydoigler2116 I think the reason why they won't is because it would change something that has stayed the same for a long time They know people won't like change even if that's what they are asking for

[@mustafaatacagatay5794]

Sees the title: panics Realizes that the video is from 2 years ago: great relief

[@jav9132]

I bet simplysarc was the kind of kid who reminded the teacher that he/she gave us homework

[@Oversneeze]

Oh?

[@lordvomapoomobile1335]

Oh?

[@zeta9743]

Oh?

[@redstoneyalexander936]

Hoe toes?

[@MrAnt-sf2sk]

Oh daddy?

[@AJ-tr5ml]

Sarc: we should remove iron farms. "Scicraft would like to know your location" "Hermitcraft would like to know your location" TangoTek would like to know your location and the location of the nearest nuclear launch site.

[@janosbrutyo2835]

Chill, he has alternatives in mind! And at this point it's more like removing Iron Golem farms but having an alternative instead. Also would like to see how those bigbrains optimalise the new situation.

[@egement45]

you are not funny

[@oreolamp5676]

@@janosbrutyo2835 Issue is its not a viable option though.

[@janosbrutyo2835]

@@oreolamp5676 why so pessimistic? Many mods already went around the issue, why can't vanilla updates get to that point? I mean it's unlikely. But they code whatever they want this is not really hardware draining, and if done in a smart way not like the community will go mad.

[@A2O779]

@@janosbrutyo2835 oh, oh no... if there's anything I know about the minecraft community is that they'll get angry over everything. And honestly I don't see a reason to limit players options just because the game is called MINEcraft

[@aydenmudge279]

I wouldnt say that iron golem farms arent free of charge. they're extremely difficult to make good ones in survival minecraft

[@BrandonJohnson-ud4lx]

not since 1.14. With the change to village mechanics, its relatively easy to water some villagers into a hole on some beds and water a zombie into a different hole at night (soul sand + kelp make water elevators super easy). It may take time to build the dirt guide, but it doesnt even take iron to make an iron farm and they arent very difficult to build in single or 3 people size. look at some of the "nano iron farm" designs for a less efficient but super easy build that uses a little redstone if you are concerned about space.

[@jonash.8139]

It became pretty easy lately

[@BrandonJohnson-ud4lx]

@Karl Håkansson cauldrons arent necessary. Also, building in the air has never really been an issue since pillaring with dirt and crouch moving removes all the problems with that. not sure where the "ready to beat the end dragon" comes from as you only need to make a very fast trip to the nether for soul sand and a little quartz to make it easier/faster. not too hard to coax a zombie into a water elevator with soulsand, especially with a shield. only requires signs, water, soulsand, and a fair bit of dirt to build the temporary structure name tags arent required since you can just throw some of that extra dirt and if the zombie picks it up, it wont despawn (mobs holding items/blocks from the world dont despawn) tips: build a water elevator higher than the iron farm (to about even with the iron golem platform. build the villager+mob structure (being sure to put sides on the zombie area for now) use signs and water to create a forced path that the villagers/zombie will go through. using boats, get the villagers into a position where they can only go into the water elevator, then push once 3 villagers are in the villager area, remove the temp structure that leads them there. do the same with the zombie once the zombie is in place, fill the hole and remove the rest of the temp structure and finish the fencing for the golem platform. remove the blocks on the sides of the zombie so the villagers can see them shields are your friend for pushing zombies/villagers as needed.

[@hughjass2075]

Karl Håkansson I recently made an iron farm producing nearly 4,000 iron and hour on my 5th day of a Minecraft world (I made a villager breeder the day before and afk’d over night so I could make it the next day). I promise you it’s not hard at all early game.

[@Inquisitor66330]

Not really, it’s the villager gathering

[@matthewquan9083]

Iron is used in mass quantities for hoppers, pistons, rails, chains, iron bars, and of course, anvils. It’s not a treasure item anymore. It’s more of a necessity for construction. I think the idea of automatic explosive deployment is just asking for a pile of lag though

[@oliverrememberpassword1254]

So basically instead of iron farms, we should have another automatic system that also generates iron that instead uses a complicated Minecraft redstone contraption where people are still going to need to use a gunpowder farm to make tnt

[@statelyelms]

Honestly yeah I can see why that's better. Mob farms are so much simpler (easier for noobs!) And abuse way fewer mechanics to the point where they feel almost vanilla, or at least could work in the theory that minecraft is an actual world.. especially compared to golem farms

[@oliverrememberpassword1254]

@@statelyelms how are non-spawner mob farms more legit than iron farms. Creeper farms exploit mob spawns as much if not more than golem farms and give you a much rarer resource in higher numbers. The whole system needs an overhaul, especially villages.

[@K0ICHIRO]

Mumbo : I really don't know about it Ilmango : don't worry I have other farms that produce iron

[@alacastersoi8265]

I have other farms that produce iron

[@dareokoski8158]

True

[@dioswilson3153]

Mango is not an iron farmer

[@dareokoski8158]

@@dioswilson3153 on sky block he is

[@dioswilson3153]

@@dareokoski8158 didn't he make a farm for 1 version that no longer works? Also, maybe you could call him an iron farmer with only 1 farm, although i am not confortable calling a 1.14+ iron farmer an iron farmer

[@vondalironfist5753]

Mojang: *does what simplysarc wants and removes iron farms* Ilmango: *makes an iron Farm out of a zombie spawner* Mojang: *suprised pikachu face*

[@S3lix]

Lmao zombie spawner? I was thinking industrial mob spawner that only spawns zombies/skeletons/creepers, sorts them, and gives zombies to a looting 3 sword. Spawner would be too slow, even with like 3 or 4. Nether portals are also an option here.

[@trentbell8276]

If they do that, it'll at least be out of a hostile mob as opposed to a passive mob's only form of defense.

[@TeddyLingAnawat]

*ilmango's title sound play*

[@Labotical]

That’s what I do sence u also get food from it

[@ubresitogaming1416]

Very low iron loot but the rotten flesh for trading is worth it.

[@tjb5382]

I think removing them is an unwise decision that will only kill the popularity of the game causing it to receive less attention and eventually no attention stopping any further content updates(I’m talking long term future here) If you don’t want iron farms or think they are too exploitive, then simply don’t use them. I think the title of the game is being used too literally Mine Craft you mine and craft and that’s what the game is about seems to be the idea. That’s not what Minecraft is to everyone, It’s much more. Yes mining and crafting are crucial elements of the game, but that’s all they are crucial elements to the game not the game itself. Minecraft is about creativity and developing your environment to your needs/wants, expressing yourself. For me personally, and many many others utilize redstone components heavily and don’t have the time to mine 5120 blocks of iron ore for 10 stacks of hoppers for a big redstone project. It’s infeasible and impossible when you have a job, school, sports, family and friends all to attend to. That’s where iron farms and other “exploits” come in to play so we can actually achieve what we set out to do in a realistic time frame. I do agree with patching duplication glitches but patching farms is a no. Why do people insist on restricting their fellow gamers choice? Minecraft is world how you make it so design it around you and solely you. Play how you want not how people want you to play because it fits their definition of fun. People have different preferences and restricting choice only restricts those preferences. Chose how you want to play and if someone chooses to play differently than you that’s fine, that’s their definition of fun in the game. It’s literally so simple, don’t like it? Don’t use it. Like it? Then use it. Get off your high horse and stop forcing people to play a certain way and let them play their own way. That’s what makes Minecraft fun, freedom to do whatever you need/desire without restrictions of choice.

[@erglis7]

@T.J. Brueggemann You took the words right out of my mouth. I totaly agree with you. It's part of the game mechanic now.

[@inactive_channel111]

This is very true but I must also say that "change is the name of the game". Weather for the better or for the worst, we have to agree that the reason many update ideas don't make into the game is that the community is a bit to attached to the past. Some times this is a good thing, but some times it can make it unclear of what to do. In this case, the farms are a EXPLOIT, and their have been attempts by MOJANG to remove them. Weather we like it or not, we need to understand that this was NOT how the game was meant to play. This is not a rule or a guideline, but a glitch that is we just so happened to be use too. This means that it is completely fair game, if not recommended to be removed, and this is a fact.

[@Nikolai-McGuire]

@@inactive_channel111 I can agree if you rely and use a bug/exploit as a cane don't be shocked when the cane breaks.

[@Nikolai-McGuire]

You do know that it's a exploit that you and others rely on right? it can and due to the fact that it's a glitch It should be gone. It's like I gave my self all the eyes of ender and /kill the ender dragon and using /enchantment to get protection IIII armor. I just exploited to get there I didn't do anything to earn those things and the same with redstone I think you need to have collected the things for it for it to have any form of meaning.

[@inactive_channel111]

@@Nikolai-McGuire Yep

[@christocream]

The beauty with minecraft is its your world. If you dont want iron farms then dont build them and go mining. If you want one then build one and enjoy ur 6969696969 iron

[@jaksida300]

It’s still a design issue, it might be antithetical to the game’s intended design to allow you to have an low effort alternative of getting iron that allows you to skip mining at iron level entirely, especially with the relatively recent changes to mining that encourage you to mine on multiple Y levels, explore caves and look out for the large iron veins. It upsets the balance of the game intended, even when played single player.

[@mineralnoodles]

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[@kent.4220]

@@jaksida300 except the amount of iron in crafting recipes is absurd. iron is closer to stone for me than actual valuables because of it's uses in crafting certain items e.g hoppers, pistons, rails, anvils, etc. if you want to build a fairly large storage system with automatic sorting good luck mining all the iron needed for it. the thing about mining is it doesn't progress after getting fortune 3. you already plateaued so early on in the game. destroying your whole world just to scavenge some iron. valuables are the only thing that shouldn't be farmed and iron doesn't really feel like a valuable. ik zombies occasionally drops iron, but it isn't reliable in the slightest. there's no trade deals for iron as well. an iron farm is super important especially if you are a player who loves building big projects.

[@windywendi]

Take mob grinders as example: Early game: being chased around and killed by monsters Late game: create a facility that extracts resources from mobs with ease, utilizing the exact same spawning pattern and AI the mobs used to spawn and aggro on you Learning about the game's mechanics and using it for your own good is itself a great achievement, and that's why people keep playing Minecraft without getting bored.

[@viniciusschadeck2204]

removing this kind of stuff, like 1.16 spawn shithole will brake the game for ever... i hope minecraft dies soon than later... they already fucked the game soo many times... i just not want another broken farm again

[@nafficaptainfour4572]

Vinícius Schadeck what farm did they break?

[@viniciusschadeck2204]

@@nafficaptainfour4572 iron farm are break all the time, for exemple... spider trap are break a long time ago, all spawners trap, and tons of stuff too... 1.16 with redstone changes and news spawn method in nether will break something? may not, maybe yes, i just tired about redo everythink in my world... i want to build new stuff, not fix the fucking iron farm each update, than fix it and that... no one for god sake will use redstone mechanics in survival without iron farm... is insane that 1 iron block make 1 iron ingot and 5 of those make a fucking hooper, plus need one to pistons... plus redstone is easier, but you need 3 of those to make a repeater ot even 4 to make a comparator and a fucking quartz that is already not renewable and impossible to farm, just grind as a shit, observers and solar sensors are too almost impossible to make because of quartz, it will become renewable in bartering from 1.16, but if they force no way to farm, well, keep almost impossible to go this way... look, i love default minecraft worlds and not cut a tree without replanting in exactly same location or at least keep the place equals in general, i just modify what i need to build and use glass farming from npcs to not obliterate a sand block. i mine just to start my game, stop after it and use all from npcs too... this new mechanics that just can trade twice a day make me slave tons of npcs much more than before... if they remove this refresh limitation i just keep one beuaty house for each profission i need... but i need tons of glass and tons of stuff sooo i make a gian slave house with 10 or 20 of each type... all damage i do to the minecraft world is because i can't automate stuffs in good way, this is true for monster grind, npcs slavery and envrioment damage... i not will stop doing those thinks until they make good ways to do it... sand when i need really sand deserts go down for good, may put a sand golem to drop sand when killed i will try farm it... but no, is just impossible then deserts comes to limbo each one i see... i not a giant player name as channels, but i used more than 10 years on minecraft and at least 4 in my actual map... i already did more damage than i liked to do in a planet, each resource i drop or lose i hate, each not renewable item that gets fired or deleted i hate. and you need be very dumb to not see how mojant keep breaking farms for no reassons... i totally love fixing glitchs like make mobs pass through floor like witch farms used to do... i hate glitchs and never use it if i know that is a glitch, but i never will stop exploring game mechanics to use it more proftable for my porpuse, that is infinity and renewable resources to not damage the world in places i not want to build. Plust i love to had all mobs arround with pacifics walking arround in giant open spaces or cages if is not possible to keep then arround in open spaces, sadly some need bad treatments to keep arround... anyway... they broke tons of farms all the time, even just to piss players and Jeb that is a shit person already say that not like farms and other mojang member think equal... bastards, i miss notch soo much in minecraft team, i keep some info about he, may new games comes from him and may i will play to

[@urnix69]

AI? You mean that broken AI that needs to be fixed?

[@kelvaxmiller8963]

@@viniciusschadeck2204 Ladies and gentlemen, we have a professional here. Come on dude, at least learn basic spelling.

[@BigGooba]

Automation is fun tho, denity won't solve a nagging feeling that one day all the resources will run out, if a player wants to keep playing a world for years it sucks that eventually you will have to travel miles and miles to find new ores, automation not only encourages smart designs and going beyond the scope of the games original mechanics but allows players to tackle a problem of scarcity. (sure the games infinite but given enough time do you really want to travel 30+ minutes to new chunks to get shit)

[@prior9455]

The thing with automatic farms is that now a days people have farms for literally everything, if you play in the same world long enough it gets to the point where you dont need to work for ANYTHING and it's just boring

[@BigGooba]

@@prior9455 Then don't use them, it's a sandbox

[@prior9455]

@@BigGooba that's the most basic and lazy response you can make...

[@BigGooba]

@@prior9455 how? it's a sandbox, you're free to fill your world with dick statues if you want but that's up to you. If you personally think the game becomes boring when you farm everything then don't, not difficult is it

[@prior9455]

@@BigGooba but the thing with vanilla minecraft is after a while that's the only way to play the game, sure you can kill the wither and enderdragon but then what? Am I just supposed to start again and make a new world, the only thing you can do to play in minecraft world some what long term is to stay in one area and farm materials, yeah sure I can make dick statues everywhere but I would need to farm the materials for it. Saying that it's a sandbox isnt a good argument, vanilla minecraft is boring, you cant just say "dOnT mAkE fArmS" because that's clearly the way this game is intended to be played long term.

[@shreyjain3197]

Imagine scaring a couple villagers with a zombie for life and when they summon their golems, burn them alive by tricking them to fall in a pit of lava

[@felobatirmoheb4884]

I must.

[@theexcaliburone5933]

I do this with 60 villagers every minute on my server :D

[@luciussalcedo3731]

That makes me feel happy

[@arkesh110]

8:00 holy crap he predicted iron veins

[@yonishapiro2268]

When he said activator rails and comparators are almost useless, that's when I lost interest completely in this idea. Activator rails allow you to kick mobs off minecarts which is incredibly useful for transporting mobs. Comparators' signal strength is also incredibly useful in general for redstone contraptions.

[@vinnyoddo6043]

Yea however for the average player it should have more function and that would possibly allow for more uses of it in redstone, all while the average player can understand them and use it

[@nicolaslinopereira677]

@@vinnyoddo6043 saying it's useless is still a heavy understatement

[@theexcaliburone5933]

@@vinnyoddo6043 activator rails, while not the most useful redstone components, are still invaluable. Also comparators are even more useful, and they aren’t hard to understand at all. The only reason people don’t understand them is because it’s sort of expected that comparators don’t make any sense

[@astikach666]

@@vinnyoddo6043 Also, the reason they aren't adding more features to redstone components is because redstone engineers don't need more features. They learn to use each feature to the fullest. Also, the reason that when you see a complicated redstone contraption you will be confused and say that no average player gonna build that is because redstone engineers know their way around what they are doing, and no average joe would really understand. So they don't plan to make it easier for the average joe because the average joe won't be doing complicated contraptions anytime soon.

[@StabbyCakes]

@@astikach666 I mean, the create mod's t-flip flop and r/s nor latch blocks would be nice. Just because redstone engineers built circuits out of various inverters and signal strength carriers through brute force trial and error doesn't mean they want to stop the average joe from learning to do the same, or that there isn't more functionality they would enjoy. What Minecraft REALLY needs is a redstone contraption mob. If something IN the game were building things, players could learn along with it. Imagine some adorable-ish monster that is lured by redstone noises or signal carriers that likes to move redstone blocks around in different configurations and make them all power together. Something that, let's say, scares other mobs, so average users would have a reason to want them around, but can be locked out of actual contraption areas by some mechanic, so engineers don't mind them either. Average people don't play with redstone because it's confusing. To become less confused, they have to engage with it. Minecraft needs something to encourage redstone play, much more than it needs to eliminate any farms created with it.

[@RelaxedBizzare]

Mojang: iron golems are to fight zombies Everyone: iron farms, take it or leave it

[@mikebuston7407]

One time i use the iron golems for hard hitting meat shield Heyyyy they're pretty good at hard hitting and can use as a meat shield

[@dampintellect]

I used them to kill the wither. Went underground spawned 5 golems and had a dispenser on each wall that shot instant healing potions

[@1224chrisng]

Mojang is misguided at best, they don't listen to us anymore

[@rw10yearsago42]

@@dampintellect thats amazing my dude

[@ScottishNationalist42]

SimplySarc: asks for iron to be removed Mojang: removes iron ore completely SimplySarc: wat

[@sWEEc]

I don't know if this was fixed in 1.18.2, but I have begun to find absolutely massive Iron deposits in large underground caves usually next to a lush cave. It spawns diagonally in a way, so it looks like the ground moved due to an earthquake. It's really rewarding to get almost a stack from one deposit (with an enchanted diamond pickaxe) and I never experienced ores like that before now.

[@user-pf3zb7lv9b]

iron farms: *gets removed* community: *M A K E S A N O T H E R V E R S I O N*

[@mrpizzacat8273]

And if they do manage to fully remove it or nerf it too much they will awaken the sleeping giant that is the redstone community which will cause series backlash

[@li33e]

Ilmango would make a new design in literary 24 hours and it would be super efficient

[@sirapple589]

Li3 God bless that beautiful and smart German. So many creations that’ll greatly improve any world.

[@superajbrothers82]

the sad part is, zombies can actually drop iron ingots lol

[@AJ-tr5ml]

No kidding... I actually just made a mod to keep pigmen!

[@Arnoldismouldy]

Iron is needed in large quantities Too impossible to mine enough of it

[@arnavhm2478]

@Arnav Tibrewala you and I share names

[@cherrydragon3120]

i would sugest Mojang to not get rid of the iron farm. just make it slower. by making Golems drop 3 - 5 Iron Nuggets. its still much more faster and efficient then Minig and smelting but still nerfs the Iron farms enough to not be completely broken.

[@nickwilson3499]

Cherry Dragon imagine if they did that on bedrock. You get like 40 iron an hour and you want to divide it by about 10 times so like 4 iron an hour lol.

[@liljammy6434]

Arnav Tibrewala Hey buddy, just wanna say that *YOU’RE WRONG*

[@greenspartanligado]

@@cherrydragon3120 haha no thanks

[@onemuskyboi2256]

I think Iron Golem farms should probably stay, even if nerfed, but I think Sarc still did a great job brainstorming on alternatives.

[@Gakusangi]

It isn't Iron Farms, they're just part of the mechanic. It's Villagers. Think about it, they're used for auto crop farms, they're used for trading, they can be manipulated into breeding for as many as you want, and they're an essential component to the Iron Farm. Villagers are what's overpowered here, they're cornerstone for various mechanics right now. I honestly love it, because strip-mining and caving are things I don't particularly enjoy and the ability to rapidly power myself up the second I find a village is really convenient, but I can see how it's pretty overpowered at this point.

[@gb00ch79]

TL;DR of the comments section. 1. Minecraft is a sandbox game and should let people decide how they want to play rather than a playstyle being forced on them. 2. Mojang has underlying issues with gathering resources because there is essentially no progression to how you gather resources (Ex. --Need wood?-- Early game: chop down forest with a stone axe Late game: chop down forest, but faster with a diamond axe --Need ores?-- Early game: strip mine or hope you find a cave to explore Late game: strip mine or hope you find a cave to explore, but faster because now you have a diamond pickaxe) Taking out automatic farms like iron golem farms limits the feeling of progression and forces players to slave underground for hours on end to gather resources for ambitious projects.

[@lucwal67]

Well even wood can be farmed with a TNT duper

[@Brgnalf81]

You can simply make an automated TNT wood, cobble, stone, ... DRAGON!! You can't? WELL, you're a noob.

[@wilpoel3677]

Also the "cave update" part of the comment section

[@6ovnavi668]

Exactly, I can’t believe how can anyone talk about taking out farms like iron. It’s not just about copying someone’s farm and just getting rescources for literally free. You get free time for huge projects like bases or whatever, you are free to explore instead of slaving in a cave and also, if you want to, you can make your OWN farm just by following rules of spawning/growth from wiki and game mechanics.

[@mntng.o.a.t964]

Tldr this comment

[@andrewchapman2039]

I'm a fan of how iron shortages are handled in a lot of modded gameplay, getting more bang for your buck with ore using things like better furnaces or macerators.

[@doublespoonco]

Ore doubles are great, you still have to mine, but get a lot more iron

[@WhimsicottFanatic]

I have a love/hate relationship with ore doubling mods On the one hand, having plenty of iron is great, and not having any such mods these days has me realize how quickly I tend to burn through iron. Like, imagine going to strip-mine not for potential diamonds, but for iron _On the other hand,_ I really don't like how easy most ore doublers make doubling ores. Such a thing should really be a late-game deal, and as such I feel like the recipies in most ore doublers should have diamonds and quartz or something Maybe not End stone tho, let's not go _that_ far

[@antonhelsgaun]

@@WhimsicottFanatic I don't know. An end stone furnace makes sense to me? It only takes some days to get to the end anyway

[@samueleveleigh2767]

Perhaps to balance it out some more it would take longer and more fuel

[@What-Kind-Of-Idiot-Is-This]

@@WhimsicottFanatic YOU NOT PLAYING MODDED IF YOU THINK THAT ORE DOUBLELING SHOULD BE LATE GAME!

[@TinkerManMick]

Great video. Personally I think farms are what part of the community (including myself) looks at, as the progression in the game.

[@Nikolai-McGuire]

what's the difference between me duping iron and using an iron farm?

[@adamlolbonus4977]

@@Nikolai-McGuire Its a fucking sandbox game you do what you want, Also an iron farm is hard to make and require villagers you also need to be near it to be working

[@SquobLob]

@@Nikolai-McGuire its singleplayer sandbox. If you want to dupe, no ones stopping you. Just prepare for a ban on a server

[@Nikolai-McGuire]

​@@SquobLob I don't dup, cause I want my builds to mean something. if you want to have a build with iron that means nothing go ahead. but don't say iron farms are a mechanic cause they are not. they are bugs that mojang tries to get rid of.

[@SquobLob]

@@Nikolai-McGuire if mojang want to get rid of them. Then why are they still in the game after soo long? Because it is a natural progression. In my opion being able to endlessly produce a finite material is a necessary step of a sandbox game, if you want more freedom.

[@ajparker7575]

I actually do like the specialized mining explosives idea... Mainly cause there's actually real world president for it, as Drilling and Blasting is a stable for how vast majority of the rock is removed with industrial mining operations.

[@sydneyatkins6249]

"These complex machines..." places cauldron on top of piston

[@capras12]

I think the game would loose a lot from reducing the accessability of automation

[@Anna-zi7sx]

Capras12 yes. There are people just in it for the redstone components.

[@the11382]

I agree. I would introduce a block that randomly spawns ore in exchange for ender pearls(which can be fed using a hopper). You still have to mine the ore, so it’s semi, but more efficient than iron golem farms and less laggier.

[@jacksonpercy8044]

Also one can't make a giant quarry to mine for iron if you don't have enough iron to craft all the pistons.

[@weakspirit_]

*AUTOCRAFT MACHINEEEEEEEEEEEE* *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*

[@Gatrehs]

@@the11382 if a machine like that appeared you could easily automate it, take the block, feed it through a piston feedtape, take it to an explosion chamber, blow up the blocks (TNT doesn't destroy items if they're in block form), collect the blocks/resources sort out non-smeltable blocks and send to storage, smelt the smeltable blocks and then store them. Sure it would require some work but it would be able to be automated fairly easily in concept since all of these machines already exsists.

[@slothguy_]

I think they need to add an alchemy system with potions and you have to learn recepies to make iron and then you can automate it with redstone.

[@statelyelms]

Alchemy! That's such a creative idea!

[@JHak909]

i agree with you but the thing is that after a while of mining, you will run out of iron in your home area. Unless you go on and on chunk after chunk, but no one wants that. Mojang sometimes wants things to be renewable, infinite. Thats why (despite your really good and understandable points) i think that they should stay.

[@tanvirahmad5893]

In response of this video, Mojang made iron farms much easier now in 1.16.

[@clauday6467]

They read the comment section

[@illestvillain1971]

@@clauday6467 Or saw ilmango's video.

[@levkr_]

they didnt, only thing was changed is they dont need to work every so often to spawn a golem, its really similar to before. right?

[@konomiyu]

@@levkr_ smol brain

[@levkr_]

@@konomiyu wat

[@Benthehuman]

By removing iron farms you essentially block off the technical part of the game in survival. Removing it would make survival worlds essentially redstone-less for the rest of time.

[@notbryan255]

or any automation, almost all redstone things in survival are auto farms.

[@maxwellli7057]

You can make an op iron farm without any redstone

[@thesaxiest4480]

I don't agree with him either but tbf, he never suggested removing iron farms without an alternative source of bulk iron being added.

[@maxwellli7057]

@Jupiter Foxx I meant that iron farms dont require the use of that much redstone to make. Removing iron farms wouldnt make words "redstone-less", as there wouldnt be any redstone builds to begin with (if you only built anniron farm as a casual player)

[@maxwellli7057]

@Jupiter Foxx if thats what he meant, thats true as well

[@GerryCatLord]

The thing is, is that once I figured out just how much iron iron farms make, I felt like the wierdest and most expensive things were possible, like 128 dispensers with a water bucket in them just to collect wheat

[@custard104]

People are gonna find loops no matter what so just let them keep their iron farms.

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen7027]

I'd rather live with too much iron than mine forever.

[@QweRinatrtY]

I think the game is called MINEcraft

[@pr0ngle]

31 337 the game is about doing whatever you want.

[@mosiout7736]

@@QweRinatrtY but when you are always mining there will be no CRAFT

[@FraterAleph]

@@QweRinatrtY If you feel that way they by all means, go mine. Nobody is forcing you to do anything else. There's no need to take away automation from those who enjoy it.

[@happiness7808]

31 337 Mojang spent months perfecting iron farms in the 1.14.x updates. They changed their design completely, creating a whole new, Much Simpler, Much Easier way to farm iron, using new mechanics (villagers becoming scared = summon golem). The changes to iron farms to make them more user friendly was a major part of the Village and Pillage update. It’s almost like Mojang wants to make iron farms available to as many people as possible. Imagine that, choices, in a sandbox game.

[@iakan6937]

If we removed iron farms then even if mining was optimized, there's only so much you can find so you'll eventually run out. Not to mention if you use high quantities of iron (say you need a lot of hoppers and pistons) you'll have to start going further and further to get your resources making it even harder where progression is about making things easier to do (tools and enchants are a great example)

[@What-Kind-Of-Idiot-Is-This]

Yes! Servers without farms will eventually run out of resources.

[@sohailaji4660]

Idea to change iron golem farms: make java iron golem spawning similar or the same as bedrock iron golem spawning. This works because in bedrock edition, you can get great rates from iron farms, but unlike java, high efficiency iron farms also come with high cost, resources, and time, but you still can have small-scale iron farms with rates which are much lower, but not extremely low, like the early days where java iron farms gave maybe a stack per hour. I feel like this would bring a balance into the game, because to get good rates, you would need to put in a lot of effort, but you still could farm iron in smaller scales more easily and more early in the game.

[@yagiznebioglu1852]

@@What-Kind-Of-Idiot-Is-This And also loading new chunks is bad

[@aandyherr817]

This basically. Iron farms keep servers from completely shitting the bed. Quite literally iron is a needed resource, and mining a ton of iron would kill the gameplay. No one wants to constantly have to mine 8000 chunks just to get enough iron, in a multilayer server with everyone mining in a very limited server. It just doesn’t work. Server operators just bypass this entirely by making iron golem spawners, which would negate the entire prospect of getting rid of iron farms. People will simply break the game and allow for cartable spawners to allow for golems to spawn. So, making a iron golem farm, just more intense and more iron and more cheating literally to allow for players to have more iron. Iron is needed. You can’t build up a entire community on iron and then remove it. Pretty much everything he said would be negated. Servers disallow TNT or block destruction by TNT, disallows certain farms or has a limited area. Basically; iron farms allow for non block destruction or mining to allow for resources to be gathered without destroying the world. If you limit golem farms, you’ll force literally hundreds of players in a server to then rush to destroy the over world to get iron. It would be detrimental. Some evils are required. Iron golem farms are *required* to sustain the current game play without really destroying the Meta

[@What-Kind-Of-Idiot-Is-This]

@@aandyherr817 agreed

[@rudrodeepchatterjee]

Sarc- Iron could generate in large "mega veins"... Well...that aged amazingly

[@bruhbruh-us6gl]

SimplySarc on his way to drop the worst minecraft take you’ve ever heard

[@iakahdrake2801]

No minecraft isn’t a game with mining as core mechanic anymore. That would be really boring.

[@iakahdrake2801]

Christopher Corriveau 😂

[@ExzcellionGamma]

@@noobloid Sarcasm is such a lonely word.

[@fredricktomasson]

@Addde Well, I know its hard to understand sarcasm through text sometimes.

[@wingraptorsundaughter]

@Addde i can't believe that someone actually apologized in the internet

[@LemonyFresh2000]

@@caltonianorange9823 yes, but people play for different reasons, which is what could be said about a lot of the people's comments on here. If you like building rollercoasters in survival and having that difficulty with the fact that you need to spend 99.9999% of your time going and getting more and more iron instead of figuring out a way to get it while still having a difficult part to it that you can look at and be like, yeah, I made that and it's awesome, it gives me this ore that I need that cut down this project by a few years. People once they get older don't have as much time to sit down and play a game sadly (not that school doesn't take a lot of your time, it sure as fuck does coming from a college student) but if you don't want to be just mining forever in the game, staying underground and giving you an eye ache every hour while not even getting back what you need for the effort you put into it eventually, it's pointless to play it. Most players who want to make cool contraptions don't want to just grind out everything like that uselessly, at that point, why have farms that give you wheat? Or why bother raising cattle if you can just do what the game designed and go out and hunt it? It's not right and not a part of the game! Pssshhht. It's essentially the same argument as many in this comment section is making and I'm just sitting here like, okay, then play an earlier version, or find someone who made a mod to take out iron golems altogether! It's not like you can't just play the sandbox game the way YOU want to play it as an individual and let the other players play it how they want to, no, impossible! Not everyone approaches the game, or enjoys the different and many faceted sides of it the same way that you do. I know personally that I can only go down into a mine or cave system for about an hour before getting sick and tired of it and never wanting to do it again, I play the game to have fun, and I don't find that facet of the game fun. Which is also why the minecraft designers got backlash at the removal of spam clicking the sword and then later not being able to block with it, it was a part of the game that made it easier, and thus more enjoyable for a good deal of it's players, and I don't see removing iron golem farms as a priority in the whole scheme of things, in that case, get rid of villagers all together, as well as chests in different places full of loot, it's pointless in having a part of the game where you can get resources that you should grind for and struggle for, since it's whole player base MUST be masochistic for even PLAYING a game where the main object is staring at two blocks for hours and hours or wasting resources and time finding resources in other ways. Thank you for reading my opinion on the matter. We don't have to agree, it's a sandbox game, so what the game means for you could be completely different from what it means to me, and that's great! It's what's made it one of the best selling games ever! Have a great day!

[@CriSisSpyroJabber]

The game isn't about mining "at it's core". Yes it's called Minecraft but it's a SANDBOX game, and it should allow you to do and make whatever. Yes you mine early game but that's no fun. Resource gathering is more interesting when there are many ways to acquire said resources. The game is whatever you want it to be about. The beauty of Minecraft. No farm deserves removal.

[@eamongerber8253]

CriSis SpyroJabber at it’s core Minecraft is a survival. Poorly done but it is in fact a survival. I think what sarc means is that iron farms take away that fundamental aspect. I play bedrock so none of this matters to me, but I dont sigh when it’s time to mine. It’s fun and part the the survival game.

[@CriSisSpyroJabber]

@@eamongerber8253 it's not about survival. It's about whatever you want it to be about. That's what's cool about mc

[@elizahill7408]

As a person who primarily plays skyblock and skyblock like maps, totally agree. For me the game is all about making complex farms often using exploits like the iron farm. Never got into mining tbh. For others obviously is different but the many weird little game mechanics/exploits and coming up with contraptions using them is why I have been playing the game for nearly 10 years lol.

[@possiblyace3191]

Eamon Gerber creative mode and multiplayer: *hello?*

[@blackironwalterkus3851]

Yes, but it’s not your game. It’s up to Mojang to fix what they want to fix. If it gets fixed, oh well. It was a bug.

[@LoaffyEHEHE]

I love your take on this, and you have some insanely good ideas that I still believe would work great as additions to the game. BUT my take on this still is that it shouldn't be removed. I think part of the beauty of the sand box is having multiple ways to do things (including exploits), not to mention in the end you don't have to do them at all if you feel like it breaks the sequence of the game. That said I would love to see features like you mentioned added as it would add a much more "legitimate" method for players who aren't in favor of automation! Actually sick video by the way, not a huge Minecraft player but I really enjoyed it!

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

If "you don't have to do it" is a thing, then survival shouldn't have been added since you could always just play classic and pretend you had limited blocks.

[@jt5678]

I tend to disagree that this game is just about mining. I think it's just as much about crafting and the farms in general can really help you do a lot more in reference to building. Nothing about the game forces players to build farms but you can. The beautiful thing is that it's so open ended, you can play any way you like; however, I do agree that the base game does lack alternative options for resource gathering in late game, and more things definitely need to be added. I guess I just think the fact that the game needs more options doesn't necessarily mean farms need to go. Both things can exist, just play how you want. I do really like your minecart mining system ideas though

[@Healion123]

Those're some definitely a very controversial things you're saying there, Sarc For one, another one of the reasons why Iron farms are needed are because in reality, iron is *limited* Sure, you have (30,000,000 x 30,000,000 x whatever height you can start finding iron) blocks to find them, but that doesn't make it unlimited. On top of that, things like Hoppers, Pistons, *Minecarts & Rails* (yeah, this is a flaw in your minecart idea) use *WAY* more iron than you might have Another flaw in your minecart idea is the fact that Minecarts eventually unload, & thus don't work anymore. That means this mining process will eventually just break itself if the player's not close enough. It would require that some minecarts load chunks around themselves as well, which (in similar scales to big iron farms) will probably be laggier to an iron farm. Also, it wouldn't really have the same feel as iron farms: 1.) Iron farms are going from being high in the sky to down in the ground. 2.) Instead of being a massive group of beds, villagers, etc, it'll just be a bunch of super long boring minecart tracks, it'll be real hard to make it look good without installing tons ofdispenser minecarts to make the tunnel pretty Next, as another comment here (& probably other comments as well) said, even if this is Mine-craft, that doesn't mean you *have* to mine for everything. It's a sandbox game, not just a mining & crafting game. As the Minecraft version of Thank You goes "Thank you for making a game that *no one plays the same*". There's no proper set of rules in Minecraft, especially ones that say: "You must play this way, not that way" Also, you've (unfortunately) made 1 of the biggest mistakes I've seen older generations (in this case, older generations of Minecraft players) do: *dislike change* . You can't always expect things to be the same forever, Minecraft included. If people wanna bend the game in ways that help them, that's not bad. Just let em be & do as you plea' So, I'm SORRYSarc, but I think you still deserve to be 'tied to the stake'

[@EmeraldCrowz]

The main problem is setting up super complex iron farms isn't very user friendly. A problem minecraft faces a lot. They don't have to remove iron farms but more alternatives for the average joe to obtain iron maybe with less autonomy would be nice. The cart idea is flawed without a lot of thinking but it doesn't mean there aren't other ideas that could still automate mining, on a block basis or on a "generating Iron" basis. At the very least biomes that have better iron yield and other ore yields and potentially the megavein idea from some form of Miner villager would be nice.

[@Healion123]

@@EmeraldCrowz I think if some sort of alternative was to be made, it wouldn't be something that mines ores underground anymore, like how an iron farm works. At a certain point, you should be able to make your *own* iron already, rather than always mining it. That's 1 of the big things with iron farms, they *change* the way you get iron. On the other side, mining machines or anything else that keeps the fact that it uses iron from underground is flawed in at least 2 ways: 1. The fate of the machine is always at the hands of your world-gen, which can cause it to be inconsistent in efficiency. An iron farm makes iron withOUT relying on world-gen 2. Chunk-loading. Because the only part of a Minecraft world that is always loaded is the spawn-chunks, most ideas for automatic mining are rather out of the question

[@EmeraldCrowz]

@@Healion123 True. Perhaps some form of Alchemy?

[@Healion123]

@@EmeraldCrowz Interesting concept, but potentially-difficult method. How specifically would the components be obatined?

[@EmeraldCrowz]

@@Healion123 alchemy just kind of popped into my head. I feel like itd be nether themed and have some powering resource Thats renewable like blaze powder. I don't have any proper ideas for it formed out

[@duality7404]

“This is a game about mining at its core...” “This game is about excavating.” No, I don’t think it ever truly has been. It’s a game about creation and destruction, all at the will of the player. It’s a game about the freedom of the player to create what they want, destroy what they want, _do_ what they want. It’s a game about a dream. A dream of doing what you enjoy. The dream we all chase. And that’s what draws so many people in, why it’s such an amazing game. Edit on 02/08/2021: What the _fuck_ hit me in the head last year? I don’t remember being anywhere near this good at writing things that sound wise or sentimental. How the hell do I get that back? Do I use a brick or a steel pipe? Was this just a case of “monkeys on typewriters?” Where the hell did the past ten months go?

[@playfulattire8819]

He meant it metaphorically. How could you miss that? He's saying that the game is about mining/excavating the fun in the game for yourself. Jk...

[@greganderson6371]

His ignorance is actually astounding. He fails to realize that the overhaul he’s proposing to rails, tnt and redstone are far more grievous to the core principle of Minecraft than the existence of the iron golem farm.

[@ExzcellionGamma]

@@greganderson6371 This. And the only thing I can agree with is his suggestion of directional-biased power rails, but that's it.

[@stickthesecond5085]

If i wanted to MINE AND GRIND id play all the horrible free mmos out there

[@Mewobiba]

@@ExzcellionGamma Dispenser minecarts would be a huge change, but one I'd approve of. Not the slot selection stuff, but just dispensers that activate on a signal.

[@hyprspd]

They added the "mega veins" in the cave update so i guess they listened

[@Zeta1928_]

Now explain to redstone builders that they can't use their contraptions because "contraptions make the late game easier"

[@DrAWily]

You know, with all the uses that Iron has in the game, there are actually very few places you can get the iron itself or something crafted with it. Rails can be found in mines, and you can always destroy a village for its resources ( though like iron farming, this is also poor taste ) but that’s about it. There’s the random loot that drops in places like the Woodland Mansion and in Dungeons, but the spawn rate of these also tends to be too low to genuinely want to do, which is what lead to the entire “ players burn down woodland mansions “ debacle. I think a really simple way to make mining for iron easier is to just start legitimately implementing iron products more often in design, for instance, the Mineshaft could also include a sort of processing area in its structure that a Minecart with Hopper loaded with ingots or coal could be poised near, the Hopper leads to Furnaces or Blast Furnaces, and those can be full of up to a stack of a random ingot or smooth stone. You could even have it set up that if you push the cart forward, it’d activate everything and start up some of the abandoned mine’s old processes. On that note, adding even more structures to explore, underground or not, would still get people playing more of the game than just farming iron. An old, abandoned farm full of seeds and unharnessed plants, a few seed barrels, and maybe a few tools like Leads, Name Tags, and Saddles. Have it reclaimed by Illagers or lone villagers at random, and now you have places that have a story. Maybe have an old Armory structure filled with undead mobs wearing armor, armor stands that have one or two items on them at random, randomized banners. Hell, you want to make things even more interesting, why not add a new neutral race in? We have villagers, but why not Dwarves, a literal mining race, that could deal with the still not implemented Rubies instead of Emeralds and have more of a focus on Metal goods? They could be less immediately friendly, more heavily fortified, and use structures that tend more towards the various types of stone and metal instead of Villagers and wood. Better yet, they’re dwarves. Their cities could randomly spawn in cave systems and they could have farms of mushrooms that sustain them. Not only would they provide more variety to mining than the occasional mineshaft or dungeon, but the area around them might be more heavily open because they mined it out, and because of that, specimens like Iron and Gold might be more easily accessible in those areas, not to mention more traded by the dwarves there. You could honestly use a lot of the updated villager AI and even for the most part, palate swapped structures already put in place, with professions mainly only changing the tables of goods they offer you.

[@GemmyDeery]

Neat this needs more likes

[@pepsiatlas5452]

i like that dwarf idea epsecially. in fact just the idea of other races is kinda great and im suprised ive not heard of it before.

[@DrAWily]

pepsi Atlas I think the reason is that the underground had a lot of changes years ago when mineshafts, dungeons, strongholds, and silverfish became a thing, so most people just kind of assumed that it was done. But considering the nether is working on an update with a more neutral version of pigmen coming, and the recent Bee mob, I’d say that Minecraft’s future updates are going to focus on filling up a lot of the emptier spaces in the world with actual life and ai. While I’m just spitballing ideas, it’s clear that they are looking to overhaul a lot about the world to make playing a normal game even more of an complex experience than before. That said, dwarves might not be an idea on their radar right now, but I’d like to think exploring underground should be for more than getting iron and diamonds because that makes the underground itself kind of a shallow experience of a need to do it rather than a want to do it. An open ended game should all be about wanting to explore for your own sake, not for a resource. The resource comes as a reward for the journey, a thing you find along the way.

[@jarno_de_wit]

I like the idea of dwarves. (As it happens, I'm actually making a dwarf-ish base in my current survival world.) We definitely need to be able to have more 'side quests' in the game and more mechanics we can interact with. Another system which I'd like to see implemented which could fix some issues for the more casual player, are quest villagers/entities (nitwits?). They could for example give you half a stack of iron if you managed to retrieve a lost item of theirs from a guarded fort or something along those lines. It would give players a goal to work towards with an actually usefull reward in the end.

[@Tommo.]

Why did u write this

[@hundwyn7530]

The ability to simply link minecarts would help a good deal. Imagine a chain of chest carts to take with you as you mine.

[@comet.x]

Linking minecarts has been in the game for a long time. Put a bunch of chest carts behind a furnace cart, and they link

[@danielrobles4072]

@@comet.x But it's unreliable. The carts will constantly unlink if they so much as go around a corner. What we need is to link them with a chain or something similar to leads to ensure that they will stick together.

[@comet.x]

@@danielrobles4072 yeah

[@whitetrash8613]

Even so, they are not even a necessity if you have shulker boxes, so i don't get all the fuss about minecarts, and honestly i don't think you have a real demand on iron until you have successfully gone to an end city and start thinking about big projects.

[@maskedredstonerproz]

@@comet.x yeah but that was a glitch , and furnace carts dont exist in certain editions of the game

[@emojimovieofficial4953]

“This game is not about…” actually it is about that. Minecraft is a sandbox game and it’s about doing whatever you want. Don’t like iron farms? Don’t build them. Like them? Make them! Minecraft is a sandbox game, play your way

[@electrochipvoidsoul1219]

I disagree. That said, I do like the idea of updating mining (and, well, Mojang apparently liked the ore vein idea; see 1.18). That said, I'm also not sure how you would go about preventing golem farms as the mechanics exploited are necessary for villages to have golems spawn. It would be like trying to prevent hostile mob farms from working. The mechanics are just too deep.

[@Jcouserrva]

I know this comment was a good bit ago but the devs could just take the IRON out of golems. Aka stop them from dropping it.😅

[@watema3381]

Sarc's "solutions" have gotten me a bit sceptical... They are way off Vanilla, and Automatic Farms are great for the games niche groups like Redstone Engineers & Technics. It would be unfair to revoke them of that. The same way that Explorers dedicate countless & countless hours towards exploring and Builders dedicate countless & countless hours toward creating incredible structures, "Redstoners" (i.e. Redstone Engineers) like ilmango, gnembom, silentwhisperer & naxynexus (just to name a few) dedicate countless hours studying Minecrafts core mechanics and how they can push it to the limit. Want more mining? Make a Cave Update! People wanted more to explore, so Mojang added the Village & Pillage update, the Aquatic update, and pretty soon the Nether Revamp I personally feel that the community as a whole will see / perceive as if your opinion is rooted in selfishness, though I respect your point of view, I firmly disagree, as Minecraft is at its core a game with _no true way to be played_ and by removing a such cherished feature you'd be *oppressing someone elses* I _firmly_ disagree

[@What-Kind-Of-Idiot-Is-This]

I firmly agree with you

[@iamfuturetrunks]

You know where I rarely ever see iron golem farms in? Modded versions of the game. They could make the iron golem farm but there are WAY more ways to get iron in those mods than there is need to waste on making an iron golem farm. One of the biggest things is being able to multiply your iron by using certain ways to mine it, or smelt it etc. Something that has been in modded for a long time are sieves, which can slowly get you smaller amounts of lots of stuff from sifting sand, gravel, and dirt. There is SO much dirt in the game that players just don't use and most of the time let fall onto the ground and despawn. Sand and to a lesser extent gravel are used a lot more for other stuff. But being able to sift dirt and get little bits of iron, gold, etc from it. That is just one thing which by itself wouldn't added much. Then there is stuff like cooking your iron in a different type of furnace to get slightly more resources. Then there is also the fact a lot of mods increase the size of ores you can get in the world so it's not mostly stone and dirt like vanilla minecraft is. Your idea of having like a huge vein of iron ore in spots is similar. Something else could be like some mods where every now and then you get a meteor or asteroid landing on the surface every now and then. Or have something that you could craft or use to kinda summon a meteor or asteroid to hit a nearby location. Another great place to be able to do this would be the end dimension since it kinda seems like space in a way. Each one that lands will have a lot of resources in high quantities like iron, a little gold, etc. You could maybe make it into a farm in that way and would only be good for late game players. Seriously every time I watch any minecraft youtubers play a modded minecraft I never see them making an iron farm because of the many ways to get ores/resources. Though a lot of the ways are kinda cheaty/duplicating ways. But others are more realistic and at this point should be in the vanilla minecraft finally. And finally, there are some minecraft players that never use the iron farms and are fine with how it is. The ones I see who use it a lot are ones that make HUGE farms that need like huge amounts of hoppers, rails etc for making other big farms. Those minecraft players like the old ZipKrowd crew.

[@xadielplasencia3674]

I think the reason most don't do it is not because of having more iron but from having more materials that are the same or better

[@videolibrarygal]

Ok boomer

[@whensonzhou4174]

Not entirely true... Even with all the mod improvement, some mod still require an insane amount of iron (ic2 etc). I still need an iron farm in a modded server to keep up with our consumption

[@MGSLurmey]

Modpacks do a good job at this because they did what Mojang didn't do. Balanced the iron economy. As Sarc so rightly said, the crafting side of the game has expanded to require much more iron than it previously did, increasing the demand for iron, but the mining side of the game hasn't compensated for this increased demand by increasing the supply. We have a supply shortage. The solution I'd like to see is overhauling the whole geology of the game to be much more realistic. Caves generate where streams through soft rock such as chalk and limestone are likely, ores generate in larger clumps more spread out (think Civilization or Factorio) such that you can find a location in which you can build an actual iron mine, either by tunnelling in the area or just digging an open-pit mine. (Quarries are for stone, pit mines are for ores) That way, gathering enough iron is just a case of exploring the surface on the lookout for clues as to the ores down below. When you find an area rich in iron, you can set up a mine and have a practically permanent supply. To compensate for the rest of the world being largely barren, with coal spawning at a specific layer and more richly under more forested biomes (less under biomes without trees), iron spawning in large clumps spread far apart from each other, and gold being generally rarer outside of mesas, they need new rock types and things to use those rocks for other than just building. They also need more interesting things to find underground. Realistic caves with twists and turns, underwater sections, active streams through caves and perhaps even new mobs or items that can only be found in caves, rather than just underground anywhere. (Speleotherms? Calcite for concrete? Fish that charge at you to explode and leave behind a pile of sulfur in their symbiotic plant pod?) These would make caves interesting and worth exploring. The vast majority of the world aside from caves would be solid rock, which is extremely nice for building projects as there are no more sounds of monsters or ambient cave noises below.

[@himpta]

I really like the idea of getting 2 ingots per ore in a blast furnace.

[@cccyanide3034]

Minecraft is a sandbox game which aims to let players do whatever they want with imagination and effort. IMO, harnessing the game's mechanics to gather resources is a good thing. Making complex things like two-ways rails and dispenser minecarts to force players to spend hours designing something that will not work is not. Not everyone is or wants to be a redstone expert, but most still want to enjoy an easier access to resources using what they have. Furthermore, people who know enough of redstone mechanics to build quarries still use iron farms to gather resources.

[@Shadow_5916]

I was scared about this until I noticed the iron looked different and I saw it was two years ago

[@Soodlenoup3781]

“Something that wasn’t initially intended to happen” sounds like he is saying thee baby sheep is an accident

[@liamtennyson6126]

Make Iron-based crafting recipes less expensive and we can maybe discuss removing them. a simple super smelter requires several stacks of iron for the hoppers alone and iron is required for pretty much every Redstone build and it's too much effort to slave underground for severely hours to just begin any project that needs hoppers. Unless iron-based crafting becomes more efficient like 3 iron per hopper or 2 hoppers per 5 iron (just an example) then mining will always be a last resort. Iron mining is profitable you can get several stacks from just about any large cave system. The problem is mining just isn't as fun of activity as building a machine is.

[@ephraimboateng5239]

Depends. I would much rather spend 2 hours mining than 2 hours building a machine

[@juanfranciscobartlett5197]

@@ephraimboateng5239 You can do a iron farm in only 30 minutes, and you have iron forever

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

@@ephraimboateng5239 YOU would do that, it's a sandbox game bro. Let people do whatever they want

[@sohailaji4660]

Idea to change iron golem farms: make java iron golem spawning similar or the same as bedrock iron golem spawning. This works because in bedrock edition, you can get great rates from iron farms, but unlike java, high efficiency iron farms also come with high cost, resources, and time, but you still can have small-scale iron farms with rates which are much lower, but not extremely low, like the early days where java iron farms gave maybe a stack per hour. I feel like this would bring a balance into the game, because to get good rates, you would need to put in a lot of effort, but you still could farm iron in smaller scales more easily and more early in the game.

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

@@sohailaji4660 It really depends, like the technical community uses a LOT but like a LOT of iron. The crazy contraptions can come from only 1000-2000 iron all the way up to 100k if you want to decorate it. Scicraft produces more iron per hour than humanity in a year

[@kutotine]

As someone who has super flat survival worlds, killing zombies for iron is not efficient in the slightest, and iron farms are basically a must have in an environment without mining. So if there was a way to make it obtainable through other means, similar to the create mod and how you have to process stone to get blocks that were otherwise not obtainable. However, this is a much more outlandish approach that what would be reasonable for vanilla minecraft gameplay. Something like a hammer to crush stone into gravel and a way to sieve out iron nuggets could be a valid way to get a sort of natural method to creating something from nothing, a feeling I’m sure most people who’ve played skyblock, skyfactory, or superflat can attest to.

[@12DAMDO]

i think everything that has scarcity should have at least _some_ way of farming it.. like, let's imagine they'd get rid of the saplings, or let's imagine villagers will stop giving you emerald.. or let's say cobblestone generators stop working.. i'm 99% sure noone is waiting for that!

[@Gandhi_Physique]

That is completely different than this lol. Those features are intended. Iron golem farms are not. I still don't think they should go away without some acceptable replacement though.

[@gabekeeter6415]

I think it's fine to want to remove the iron farm as it stands, but you failed to account for the most important aspect of why the iron farm is so beloved by the community: it's infinite supply. Unless Mojang can come up with some other way of generating infinite iron, then it won't go over well to say the least

[@jackgreenearth452]

Indeed

[@erikpatrone1077]

Minecraft is a game in constant evolution, it's been a long time since mining and caving was the core of the game Automatic mining isn't the solution, you have to give endgame player access to more ore in a more dangerous environment. Like the netherrite in the nether. Where new player would have trouble.

[@swordierre9341]

There should be boimes that have more abundance of ores, but the underground is way more dangerous which would add proggression. Also they need to add more uses for having an abundance of ores so there would be a point to it all.

[@janosbrutyo2835]

@@swordierre9341 yup but the underground as it is is waaay too small for the quality implementation of that variety. Cave update with cubic chunks so unlimited build hight and mine depth!

[@polarisraven5613]

Actually, Ilmango does state that a massive tunnel bore is the best way to find Diamonds, so in effect, even the pro's of pro's still go mining, just with much more tech.

[@ninjacubex1873]

Well I guess he got his wish, now that iron got removed

[@TheLPfunnTV]

This just sounds like tunnel bores with extra steps :D

[@vento3554]

I think building these specialized automatic farms have become a part of the charm for a lot of people, and the rail mining stuff sounds good, but not as a replacement.

[@LuluTheCorgi]

Except that building an iron farm literally takes 20minutes with stone tools. The hardest part is getting 3 villagers into boats

[@vento3554]

@@LuluTheCorgi and? Mining isn't much harder, it's just less rewarding

[@joshuarosen6242]

Building automated farms is the main reason I play. I do not like mining and do it very little but I love complicated machines and farms and without those, I would have lost interest in Minecraft after three months rather than playing most days for 5 years.

[@dangernoodle8813]

if you removed iron golem farms, people will make bigger and lagger zombie farms instead... since they drop iron as well... or you could completely eliminate iron drops from mobs...... Minecraft is all about the freedom of doing whatever you want, if you remove this key component, you just straight up killed it.

[@mikoajkoek3145]

Zombies dropping iron is so rare there would be no way people would be making zombie farms like they do iron farms now

[@dangernoodle8813]

@@mikoajkoek3145 we shall see, using entity cramming and mass amount of zombies or grouping them into one spot and killing them with a mending looting3 sword would guarantee iron drop, life always finds a way.

[@GuardianWorld]

​@@mikoajkoek3145 Then, if you need other resources, what do you do? Gold? Pigzombies/Piglins. Quarts? Use the gold from the pigzombies to trade with piglins, Redstone? Witches. Wool? Spider trap. Other than diamonds, every single resource in minecraft can be automated some way or another. Gold -> Pigzombies Redstone -> Witches Sugar Cane/Sugar/Paper -> sugar farms Iron -> Iron golem/Zombie spawner Fuel -> Blaze/Nether (Lava)/ Wood Farm/ Bamboo farm EnderPearls -> Ender Farm. Arrows -> Skeletons Food -> Chicken Automatic cook farm Potions -> Blaze farms for fuel Enchanted Books -> Villager farms (Get respective villager, find good one, bingo) Emeralds -> Villager Farms If they want to remove automation from the game, they are gonna need to remove every single mob drop existing out there...

[@rey1nine424]

Or making sarc's idea of how iron generates and the iron farm co-exist? Although may sound like a not so good idea too

[@swordierre9341]

Id be fine with a rare zombie iron drop. Just not this overabundance of iron that iron farms currently make. I think we should make mining more engaging and fun so getting ores doesn't feel like a hassle.

[@xyannail4678]

SimplySarc predicted Raw Iron would make iron farms less important.

[@aberrahmanebella6129]

you're supposed to play the game however you want , the point is to have the choice ,but removing the feauttre altogether isn't really preferable..

[@largefather9918]

“NOOOO YOU CANT JUST FARM IRON, YOU HAVE TO MINE FOR IT!!” haha iron farm go *iron golem death sound*

[@What-Kind-Of-Idiot-Is-This]

IRON FARM GANG!

[@noori2105]

> Iron Golem hurts

[@luciussalcedo3731]

@@noori2105 loser iron golem

[@kirbtime5333]

Tangotek: * Iron Titan building music stops

[@roridev]

TDL : *hans get zie Fe Projekten*

[@gms3405]

AlexElCapo: *hola*

[@arthritos]

“Time lapse music”

[@Thumbsdwn]

You nailed it with the giant ore vein prediction!

[@TimeWisely]

while we're add it, let's remove mob grinders, also, i think we should remove spawning of all mobs! while we're at it, let's remove villages, and let's remove iron golems!

[@danail4444]

“Use mine carts and rails to mine for iron alternative” Rails and mine carts - require iron...

[@mortimermouse3086]

*facepalm*

[@ttty2242]

now this is big brain time

[@nopenope9366]

Irvin golem farms require iron too. I don’t see what point your making here.

[@ttty2242]

@@nopenope9366 they require far less iron than the rails required to traverse caves

[@danail4444]

@@nopenope9366 fam once u have built an iron farm u dont need more iron to keep farming iron :/

[@Rbags-bq5gz]

You don’t have to make an iron farm... if you want to go automatic then you can, if you want to mine for 24 hours to build a hopper storage system you can, why limit ourselves. Also if your making this arguement, then should every farm based of loot drops be removed? You should have to go out and kill creepers whenever you want gunpowder? You should have to go mine gold instead of having a gold farm. This video although creative just ignores the actual creativity of an iron farm! It was created to loot a mob drop, like half the farms in the game

[@joshuacastillo6003]

This is true. Making an iron farm isn't a requirement, it's a choice. I'm a bedrock player that used to only mine for resources. Then I built an iron farm once and understood the hype. Ever since then, I've been using iron farms. Sure, they aren't as great as Java Iron Farms, but they still get the job done. Do I force other people to build iron farms when I'm playing with them? No. If they want to take the mining route, power to them for having the patience to do it. Sure, some bugs are abused and exploited, but you can't say that when what you're advocating against a feature that abides by the game's rules. It's simple. You make create the space that meets all spawn conditions, mob spawns, gets killed, you get resource.

[@Currywurst-zo8oo]

There is no strict right or wrong with this. We have to find the solution that is the most fun for the majority of players. You can make the exact same argument in favour of removing iron farms: You don’t have to have iron farms... if you want to get iron just mine, if you want to spent only 10 minutes to build a hopper storage system you can use duplication or go into creative, why limit yourself.

[@microman502]

It was created by PLAYERS to loot a mob drop though, i'd argue. Mojang didn't really ever want this. The gold farm is fine - gold can be useful but requires ALOT to have the piglin trading and all to work. Redstone farms are fine, they give a resource that is fairly specialised and you may need a decent amount of. But the *argument* is that iron farms give you ridiculous amounts of a resource that is, also, used in a massive amount of recipes.

[@R0NYFL0NY]

@@Currywurst-zo8oo because that's cheating and clearly different

[@sohailaji4660]

Idea to change iron golem farms: make java iron golem spawning similar or the same as bedrock iron golem spawning. This works because in bedrock edition, you can get great rates from iron farms, but unlike java, high efficiency iron farms also come with high cost, resources, and time, but you still can have small-scale iron farms with rates which are much lower, but not extremely low, like the early days where java iron farms gave maybe a stack per hour. I feel like this would bring a balance into the game, because to get good rates, you would need to put in a lot of effort, but you still could farm iron in smaller scales more easily and more early in the game.

[@stopsit3577]

there is also a major problem with this idea too in my opinion. you are basically just replacing the iron farm to a gunpowder farm due to tnt being buffed there would need to either be a gunpowder cost lowering or a way to get gunpowder easier

[@deadlypandaghost]

1. Fundamentally a game about mining- thats what diamonds and netherite are for. Also it definitely was but the game has evolved to be much more self directed nowdays. Iron is a cornerstone resource used for about every project and shouldn't require being manually gathered after a certain point. 2. Redstone signal strength- actually very useful for counters, sorting systems, vending machines, etc. Basically its useful any time you want to select or count 3. Ore mega veins- actually a very cool idea

[@smittynumber1812]

The players spent a lot of time and love the game enough to learn its most intricate mechanics and use them to their advantage. I think its fine that they stay Also its not inherently a PVP game. Having more iron than your friend doesn't make you stronger, it just allows you to build the things you want to build

[@egon3705]

especially since the only endgame-viable weapon that needs iron is the crossbow, which you probably just make/get from a pillager in the early game and slap mending on

[@tildesofie1533]

I know this will will drown in the sea of comments, but hear me out: Mining villagers.

[@ybajoe9773]

good idea dude

[@ttty2242]

​@@ybajoe9773 that ruins the entire point of removing iron farms (Edit: I don't agree with the idea of removing iron farms, but if they were, mining villagers would be the exact same thing but worse)

[@DamageMaximo]

@@ttty2242 shut up, both ideas "removing iron farms" and "mining villagers" are terrible ideas

[@Creeperking-bw7wi]

It sounds good but you could use it for Griefing and you would have to follow them to load the chunks. Also you would have to dig out the entire world to get enouth iron for enormous quantieis that some players need. I use this design and struggle to supply my server (kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH62mpuloa2SosU)

[@Creeperking-bw7wi]

@@DamageMaximo I think it also would not fit into Vanilla. We have to use our creativity to build machines. This sounds like modded Minecraft where one block does everything.

[@BottleOfRoss]

dude.. you opened a can of worms that was best left unopened

[@lasercraft32]

Bro really just predicted large ore veins... :o