Is it worth playing Paladin in Phase 2 | Season of Discovery

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[@DannyJ145]

Take conceration out of talent tree, give it to every pally and give holy pally new talent in that spot

[@mastermindvideos898]

exactly this

[@scruffybob6366]

They will not touch the base talents, since it's all on the same build as Classic Era.

[@KazeHorse]

@@scruffybob6366yep because every class has a talent-locked amazing spell which they want. If all palas get consecration, all mages get ice block and it just keeps rolling through every class making them too op.

[@ripcrusader]

Play retail then

[@DannyJ145]

@@ripcrusader ????

[@johnmatthews2860]

Crusader strike has been changed to give back 5% mana from 2%, also wildstrikes now procs from CS, DS, SoC, and SoC from WS.

[@linuswestbom8808]

Where can you find the changes on wildstrikes procs

[@jamesn3122]

Wild strike proc on divine storm is weird, since it isn't a weapon swing. Everything else sounds good

[@pavelkrusstev8461]

It is a weapon swing. If you get silenced you can still keep using it

[@jmac28083]

3:11 Regarding Blessing of light. It is situational but there is a scenario where Blessing of light is superior to everything else. That's if tank is receiving over half their heals from paladin(s) then that tank should have blessing of light over everything else, (even kings) More healing per second or higher healing per mana efficiency will often be the difference between a tank death and a successful kill. There's not a ton of spell healing in the game at this point. Blessing of light is one of the few places where you can get it for free. Others may disagree because they don't understand how spell healing effects heals and don't value the tank staying alive. Blessing of Kings is a close second or first choice if holy paladins are half or less of the tanks source of incoming heals. Source: Jmaximus-Pagle 15 year holy paladin main including 15/15 vanilla naxx.

[@H-D-D]

Ret was predicted to be near the top, till ALL the ret haters united and cried that it MUST be nerfed before we could even play it... so back to the mediocre it landed, which is still better than last.

[@MrGlennJohnsen]

Unless some of the "memey specs" like Shockadin, Holy specced Ret Paladin (AP Shockadin) or something else kicks off (something Sims don't suggest they do atm) then DPS Paladin will take a big L compared to Hunter, Feral, Warrior and Rogues. However Tanking and Healing Paladins look absolutely *SOLID*! Illumination coming online for Holy, unlimited mana and spelldamage scaling from strength/AP for Prot is amazing!

[@deathknight161]

ret was a huge disappointment gettin out damaged by people in greens when im like almost bis fuck that shit

[@borgirlol]

So we are getting oom in 25 raid easy, and we can get rune that solve this mana problem and in the same slot a rune that resets exorcism so we can be oom even faster. Great design...

[@tommytaylor7322]

Putting art of war and guarded by light on the same slot, what a tease

[@CorterriusBoyd]

Ya it’s like putting divine storm and seal of marthyrdom on the same slot lol

[@nanadolphin]

I like this series a lot. I know it’s probably a lot of work but would love to see it again for 50. Thanks for everything dude

[@tomykulak7728]

Scott did you know maybe we could play Prot paladin as a bloodDK with holy shock resets if the talents stay as it is.

[@itskhro]

Theres gonna be some sick hybrid specs I think. Holy/Ret tanking with cons and improved ret aura. Crowd pummeler AP shockadin. People are sleeping on the more wacky things.

[@RoxxSerm]

get lost with pallies rolling on a druid hammer with 2.0 speed and kitty AP. I mean if a cat doesnt need it sure, but for "wacky" things screwing over other players isnt fun. And thats said from someone that isnt a druid but played ret and pally tank in P1.

[@itskhro]

@@RoxxSerm ??? I don't recall saying its fair to roll it if a feral needs it. Not every bit of nuance needs to be underlined all the time. Chill.

[@jamesn3122]

​@@RoxxSermrelax lol

[@Gr33nsurfer]

This guy has no chill man xD@@RoxxSerm

[@dennisep1704]

Turns out all of pala spec except holy pala tank is almost useless/below average in this role. So just don't play pala this phase

[@sickish]

Trying not to spoil Gnomer loot too much but is there a plate healing set for hpally at 40? I hate wearing cloth/leather for healing as pally.

[@dalazzar2114]

There is 👍🏻

[@chainclaw07]

Making shockadin "fun in solo content" is actually incentivising paladins to heal for you in raid and still have fun playing content outside of instances

[@vindicatorx]

I think most prot pallies are going 11 into holy for consecration and all that sp gear to boost threat generated.

[@jameslane2326]

that will be 11 into holy

[@Graahk-r8u]

dont need sp gear anymore can just stack AP

[@budgybottom75]

Not this prot pally, all the way in Prot, divine storm is more than enough, and with essentially 130% threat, with the rune, holy shield, thorns with a druid, ret aura, shield spike, no issues holding multiple mobs at all. besides, conc is shit lol

[@BackyardPvP]

think you can only get one of the blood items from stv cause they are unique right?

[@tbalmer1207]

Think you can get all but only equip 1 at any time.

[@RCmetal11]

Totally gonna go tank pala but deep holy. Take art of war, a fast weapon and seal of the martyr and fish for crits and spam shock and exo. Gonna be so fun.

[@Cryttanz]

Honestly when I first saw the runes for paladin I thought they sucked and instantly started leveling a warrior to main for phase 2. But I was just looking at it from the Ret perspective. When I thought about it some more I think they might be really good for soloing content as prot in P2 already. Sacred shield + sheath of light = crazy self healing and a massive damage buff for your consecration. I'm cooking boys!

[@Vicious_Burger]

You think tanks will go straight down the prot line? Being able to pick up Consecration and spread other 20 points across prot or ret is interesting. I was thinking of getting Consec, and then going down the Ret line to get Improv Ret Aura. Depending on how big the pulls are, swap Devine Storm for Aegis. Constructive thoughts?

[@jameslane2326]

personally ill be taking consecrate and sacrificing holy shield for it as the classic version of holy shield doesnt have enough charges to make sense

[@Tiv.a]

I was thinking about trying a 11/8/12 prot build that prioritizes damage and mobility: Holy • 5/5 Divine Intellect • 5/5 Imp Seal of Righteousness • Consecration Prot • 5/5 Imp Devo Aura (would take Redoubt but it doesn't stack with Aegis Rune) • 3/3 Precision Ret • 5/5 Blessing of Might • 2/2 Improved Judgement • 3/5 Deflection • 2/2 Pursuit of Justice Runes: • Divine Storm > Aegis if not taking damage • Sheath of Light on trash, Enlightened Judgements on bosses for taunt hit cap.

[@tbalmer1207]

​@@Tiv.a as someone who has been a paladin tank since vanilla, don't bother with prot tree. Unless you have max lvl 60 or going for reckbombs in pvp, and the Agis is almost as bad as redoubt a dead rune till maybe level 60. You're better off going down holy tree pick up consecration+10 strength to holy shock. Other than holy shield pretty much all the talents are straight up bad In the prot tree. Much like BFD your damage output Will likely be more important than your damage mitigation. And you're likely going to be a decent healer as well without changing talents or gear. Things like sacred shield will give you an effective 500hp for 30 seconds and I believe refreshed every 6 able to be cast before combat so you have two pairs of boots, so cast then swap boots to guarded by the light or art of war before combat= profit.

[@gusty990]

@@tbalmer1207yeah sacred shield is only 120 hp

[@jotaaonetwo4178]

Retribution paladins in the chat. We need to be strong. We need to believe in devs. Dont let us to be a clothy melee dps with spell dmg and a shield, instead of a 3 meters weapon carrier with a 1000 kilograms plate armor.

[@jameslane2326]

There was a shield in the Gnomer loot that did reflect damage which makes it sound good for aoe palley but it also does damage to the paladin, so im unsure how useful it will be

[@tomykulak7728]

It procs bad and it doesnt do dmg to the wearer. Its just a gimmicky shield unfortunately.

[@talisredstar1543]

Art of War is a great Rune, but I hope they move it to another slot. Because after being through Gnomeragan. Guarded by the Light Rune is A MUST HAVE RUNE as Retribution Paladin. Because you simply do not have the mana pool to make use of Art of War in raid. Even with Seal of Wisdom on, if you use Art of War in raid. You could big boom, but then your straight into seal of Wisdom, and crusader strike spamming for 30 seconds. So far I've found the better and more consistent damage is to go with Guarded by the Light, and seal twist Seal of Command and Seal of Righteousness. With the last boss of Gnomer being a marathon over a dps race, at least for right now. I also found Seal of the Martyrdom. To be not just in your best interest, but your raids best interest.

[@talisredstar1543]

Art of War for sure needs its reset to be free, and honestly if you cast the reset within a short window it should refund all mana used for exorcism. I know this sounds almost OP, but with Ret's small mana pool, this would allow you to use the rune right now. But the window in which to do this also means there is a kiss/curse to Art of War. For me at least, this would then balance out the power. If you don't use the reset proc to get the 2nd exorcism, out then you don't get the mana refund, and then you down that mana, meaning you are that much closer to your conservation phase.

[@draccuzhc7113]

dude, your Videos makes it really hard for me to choose my Main for the next Phase. I love the Hybrid Healer playstyle, but with which class i am gonna do it? Druid, Mage and Paladin all sounds great!!!

[@godwings101]

You 100% want to get consecrate. Also Guarded by the Light is insane. Art of War seems bleak in comparison. Don't get me wrong, being able to spam exorcism a lot would be great, but going oom means less dps.

[@lout9231]

I’m fucking buzzing for shockadin - literally the only reason I came back to wow for SoD

[@thelastshallbefirst3653]

Great video! As an hpal can you use the cloth set gear from gnomer?

[@Eas_Planeswalker]

Going spell prot all the way💫 Love the idea about adding Exorcism to the rune. Wish they added Avenger's Shield to the Art of War rune. 🤔

[@browniesbytes305]

Blessing of light and illumination are what makes hpals so good and now with beacon of light they will be best mt healer ez. Edit: forgot sacred shield hpals gonna be insane rip ret tho

[@goatworthylife]

shockadin tank is a thing from what i see?

[@ubah40]

Just a heal over time effect on crit and sacred shield for healing.... amazing.

[@akhsdenlew1861]

If sacred shield actually stays at 500 absorb, it will be BIS rune for every pala in PvP and will automatically make pala the best pvp class in the game by far.

[@Flowerz__]

Sacred shield is trash apparently:/

[@davidsawyers8754]

Do Shamans Next Scotte! Do not have us wait!

[@browniesbytes305]

Hope you can freedom the helmet on use slow…

[@XclivwiX]

Since you did paladin it only makes sense to do the shaman next

[@MrNook43]

Are paladins gonna have to seal twist?

[@Eas_Planeswalker]

You can twist certain seals; yoy don't have too though

[@lifeisatrip8993]

I'd rather have better mana regen and keep pumping instead of resetting exorcisms cooldown as Ret.

[@realduox]

shockadin, lets gooo

[@DoAGoldeneye]

Tauren Paladin and Dwarf Shaman pls

[@markbay9275]

The epics from Gnomer are MC quality!

[@insidher]

What's MC?

[@highlordsilverhand1228]

Ret pal main here

[@lachlanrobertson7109]

Pally was worst healer/ dps for alliance phase 1 and tank was only mid because of how bad other tanks are. And pally get nothing going into p2 It's doomed

[@Madlux14]

Worst dps 😂 bro you must have fallen hard on your head eh

[@lachlanrobertson7109]

@Madlux14 there are no other dps class below paladin on alliance (besides Shadow priest)

[@KeydriaTheMage]

@@lachlanrobertson7109Yea, I guess if the alliance aren't allowed Arcane Mages, Balance Druids, or Frost Mages, then they are.

[@lachlanrobertson7109]

@KeydriaTheMage those are specs not classes . Reading comprehension is hard I guess

[@Madlux14]

@lachlanrobertson7109 okay, so using your absolutely dog water logic then paladins are still not bottom dps because they are still better than priests, mages, warlocks as a whole. So where are you getting your " stats "

[@MrHydra12]

Dont main ret unless you want to be where shadow preist was p1

[@Knator19]

Hunter next!

[@decadenceflm2367]

I love good head too :)

[@FreshDropOne]

We need cata content!

[@chubbies55]

Consecration does NOT SCALE in classic version

[@JakePkz]

What do you mean? If you're talking about scaling with spellpower, consecration has a 33% coefficient over the full 8 second duration.

[@neoikake]

Holy shield vs consecration... if raid is easy again. Port paladin will be ret again. So all that does't mather.

[@markbay9275]

There just isnt enough in the Prot tree to matter.

[@Cyanoblades]

Ret looks so bad

[@mastermindvideos898]

ret are one of the easiest classes and have the best chances for survival not to mention oneshots at 60 + bubble loh freedom dispel heals resistances but there is no other class better then warlock

[@borgirlol]

@@mastermindvideos898 It has bad to medium dmg on bosses, and gets almost nothing, meanwhile all other classes will pumps, guess what will happen. It will be worse then shadow priest... Oh and as a bonus gl needing on sp items in raids as holy dmg bastardin

[@mastermindvideos898]

@@borgirlolno clue what your talking about holy paladins have specific gear sets and trinkets incomming combining with crafted epic items making your whole argument invalid. You use the words almost and nothing in the same sentence and make me wonder what hurt you so bad you have to shittalk here. Paladins are and will be one of the best pvp classes out there and protip you cant do anything about it

[@DaFunkz]

Ret Gang Ret Gang Ret Gang Ret Gang Ret Gang Ret Gang

[@Necrosis88]

Phase 2 is all about getting head :3

[@markshepherd4791]

It's solid but not as solid as you mate

[@CreepyCat.]

Dude even ret paladins always maxed out illumination. WTF? Dunno what you’re smoking

[@Scottejaye]

Ret paladins max out the 4th tier in holy talents, i dunno what ret paladins you play with but maybe tell them to look at a guide or just work out how their class works lol

[@CreepyCat.]

@@Scottejaye Maybe it's because I PvP and to me that's entirely normal. I didn't consider that.

[@KiazaKadaj]

the answer is no. maybe we should skip phase 2 all together tbh.

[@skganno7771]

bring back proper classic sealtwisting and give martyrdom aoe.

[@Wtfbrah0]

any shockadin tanks in the chat?

[@yayano8415]

Most boring kit of all classes.

[@andrelacoste4974]

Rets are terrible