Is JUDO or BJJ alone enough for the streets or self defense?

this video discusses the possible scenarios of the streets and if Judo or BJJ alone are enough for self defense.
chadi.ae
#selfdefense #judo #BJJ #MMA

[@cbcsucks2205]

I asked my Muay Thai instructor why we ran so much at practice. He said I've seen you fight it's your best option.

[@Chadi]

Brilliant

[@Agecatcher]

clever

[@exoticsnipezonly1601]

Damn the subtle roast

[@Crazy_Rich_Asian]

😅🤣

[@momoswandelndesschloss4047]

Judoka since childhood. Added mma a few years ago. It is a wundervoll and very important experiance to get your face punched and kicked with real force for the first time (in training). At first you dont know if you Are allright or hurt, but than you know you Are far from done and just take them. This was far more important to me than learning atemi

[@Chadi]

Thank you for the insight! I agree it is important to experience some type of striking in your life

[@Daniel_Cooley]

To be a complete marshal artist I think you need to be proficient at least one striking art (Boxing, Muay Thai, Karate, etc.) and one grappling art (Bjj, Judo, Wrestling, etc.) If you only wanna train one art then something like mma (which isn't really a singular art but a conglomeration of different arts) or sambo that incorporates both grappling and striking is your best bet. Everthing said comes with one major caviot though. Whatever martial art/arts you pick needs to be "battle tested." You need to do hard sparring regularly to get used to what the pressure and intensity of what an actual fight will be like.

[@LibertarianGalt]

Muay Thai, Boxing or Kickboxing. Karate is more of a sport than a combat sport these days.

[@roninnotasheeplikeyou.2631]

I think having a good general understanding of the foundations of all the ranges of martial arts will give someone a much better chance of survival in a self defense situation.

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@LibertarianGalt]

Grappling + Striking + Cardio conditioning = well rounded fighter

[@susanohara4274]

Atemiwaza (the techniques of hitting the vital points) is a very important part of old style Kodokan Judo, Aikido, Jujitsu, Aikijitsu and Taijutsu. You need to complement your grappling techniques with hitting and kicking techniques like Muay Thai (Thai Boxing). Fighting spirit and the determination to survive is absolutely necessary.

[@markdaniels4178]

Any style of striking

[@LibertarianGalt]

​@@markdaniels4178muay thai is the best striking skill to practice as it increases your toolkit. Knees, elbows and kicks can be utilised whereas Boxing is just punching.

[@markdaniels4178]

@@LibertarianGalt I agree 👍

[@ralfhtg1056]

Speaking from my Karate stand point: it all depends on how you train. "To be able to fight you don't need Karate. All you need is the proper mindset and a technique that works." -Hirokazu Kanazawa. And I would like to add: it is not the worst thing to do, when you look beyond the limits of your own style and do some crosstraining. About including striking into grappling: in Karate strikes are used to build up a throw. You shock the opponent by striking/kicking so he is unable to move for the briefest moment of time and that is when you go in for the throw.

[@rns7426]

Any martial art that has some pressure testing, sparring, randori, rolling, is far more valuable than nothing at all. And I believe will make you more competent and successful in a physical altercation. The average guy that has a job, family, kids, bills to pay, basically a real life, can’t afford the luxury to hop around investing time he doesn’t have in multiple a marital arts. Find one you like with pressure testing, stick with it, you will have a base to work from to be successful. If you’re a martial arts bum with no real life then hey, be an mma fighter, why not?

[@lucasnevescardoso3297]

Underrated comment

[@gvis3880]

The last paragraph is me in a nutshell lol

[@darylfields]

You need striking in a street fight going to the ground can be dangerous

[@Agecatcher]

Not if you're an experienced fighter. I have control over my throws.

[@darylfields]

@@Agecatcher Yeah but what if the aggressor isn't a trained kill

[@BFerreira82]

@@darylfields Yeah but what if you do end up in the ground ?!... PS : Even skilled strikers, most of the times end up in the clinch during fights, anyways ... ! Striking is important, but unless you are 100% sure of having a One Punch knockout.... Better train other areas too. 🤙🏼✌🏼

[@edwardhanch4128]

With decent Distance management & takedowns you'll never have to throw a punch. I fought almost every weekend @ my security job for over 2 yrs & loved it

[@darylfields]

@@edwardhanch4128 Yeah knowing you can catrol an attacker is a good feeling

[@magicbeetle2292]

Judo is fucking great for the streats, laying a guy out on concrete or any hard surface is deviating

[@rustyshackleford735]

Keep up the hard work Chadi thanks again.

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@gabrielm.s.alverca5789]

Hi Chadi. I trained for some time in Kombato, a brazilian form of self-defense created by Paulo Albuquerque, highly based on Sina Tirsia Wali school of Kali (Philippine Martial Arts). One of the theories by Paulo was that a self-defense form need to be always based on the general scenario that you're inserted in. Here in Rio de Janeiro the most commons atacks in street fights happens by knife and firearms, in terms of hand-to-hand the most common one's we see is BJJ, Muay Thai one some variation of that combination. So Kombato was heavily based in counter bjj and muay thai atacks on the h2h aspect and in knife and firearms disarm in the weapons aspect. Although assault's do happen with knives the thugs are not skilled in it. Since Kali is specialized in knife fighting Paulo tried a lot of scenarios, in one of them common thugs try to attack you with knives, in this one the training usually compensate. The other scenario was a Kali practitioner attacking you white a knife, no one was able to "survive" the test. If a knife skilled combatant attack you with a knife the only way to stop them is running faster or a firearm, outside this two options you are dead. I'm telling you this cause i think this point is really valid. I think every self-defense art is created to specific conditions. In USA Kombato might not work that well, cause a lot of people do high school wrestling and know at least the basic of it. Kombato didn't prepare you for counter "high school wrestling" like throws and takedowns, but the bjj ones. The thing in considering Judo and BJJ alone for self-defense, in my opinion, fall into this. What is the scenario that you are inserted in? Are you being constantly attacked by Kali Masters? Train sprints a lot and get a gun. Are you being constantly attacked by alone thugs? BJJ probably will work pretty well. Are you being constantly attacked by groups of thugs? BJJ will get you killed. It's always depends on what happens in the scenario that you are in.

[@Chadi]

I agree, but multiple attackers nothing will save you

[@gabrielm.s.alverca5789]

@@Chadi I desagree with you on this. I think that it's very unlikely, but, possible. Like everything else, depends on the overral situation. Just like the guy from the video bellow. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXywgJtrjtZ0gbM In a multiple attackers street fight situation my only bet in terms of martial arts would be just plain and simple western boxing.

[@Akil_at_Will]

Hey Chadi Ive trained in full contact karate for over 16- 17 years. Noticed i needed grappling/throws in my tool box so I trained in judo for 2yrs. Then realized its going to take a while for me to put this all together so I was referred to Aiki Jujutsu Daito ryu dojo styled Aiki Elmore ryu (For 4+yrs now) and bro. I must say one of the best things i could have done expanding martial arts/self defense training and my if your grappling for self defense you need consistent training against strikes. And really pressure test. Conclusion judo alone with understanding how to parry and close the distance or fight your way into your grappling you may have a very hard time with a striker especially if he/she knows how to land.

[@EthanNoble]

Facts. This is why I started Uechi Ryu Karate

[@filipcesnjak2944]

No grappling or straiking martial art alone is enough for self defense, you need at least one striking and one grappling martial art that has sparing in their training routine, but it is still better then nothing because you mind body conection will gain reflexes. OSU

[@towag]

"It depends in what you're made of and your character" Actually sums it up... Without that, no matter what your skill & strength or "toughness", it will be useless if you don't have something inside you that enables you to overcome the fear that freezes many... Or the fight of the dog, or the cat or lizard inside oneself... Like you, I was bullied as a child because I was fat... That in hindsight was the best thing that happened to me because it gave me the courage from inside to learn to do the martial arts I've done, judo, boxing, karate, Wing chun style of Gung fu, finally settling with the martial art of Tomiki aikido which has a competitive element in its randori shiai, which can be practised into older age and also teaches many of the fundamental aspects of many martial arts... It's a shame it is not more well known... Tomiki was a scholar and was a student of Jigoro Kano. Also one of the first and senior disciples of Morihei Ueshiba... He was an innovator and recognised that there was an element missing in Ueshiba's aikido, that of putting it under pressure to test for individual effectiveness, just as in Judo... Many say it looks like bad judo, but thats because of ignorance on their part... It's like everything... If you've never tried it, how can you possibly know?

[@Chadi]

Thank you Tony

[@gvis3880]

Same here, I started doing martial arts after being bullied. I'm still thankful to my bully for he has awakened a sleeping giant within me.

[@Shadowrulzalways]

Judo and BJJ are never good without striking. Karate used go be complete back then before Japan fucked it up. Of course now we have complete Karate styles like Kudo, Ashihara and Enshin Karate. But Okinawan Karate still has it’s grappling and such as well as the striking. But when training in Judo or BJJ today, you need more than that.

[@alejandrob.r.2256]

What is the background leglock video? Where do you get it?

[@claesandersson5300]

interesting very few martial arts are good for self defense. Self defense are a such broader subject than just knowing how to throw someone or how to punch . Self defense training should answer the question what to before, during and after an assault. The training should also include stuff like situational awareness. I train Scandinavian Defendo and it is basic mma with self defense. It teaches the student basic punches, kicking, wrestling, grappling and defense against different weapons. We have few technique to be able to act during stress. I also trained in bjj and think that it is a great art and would work fine or good enough against an attacker. But if I have to choose one art i just for self defense. I would choose Defendo.

[@Chadi]

I should look into defendo

[@arashghanbari5907]

It's great that you have a holistic view of self defense and you include the fact that your character and personality affects your ability a lot. I myself didn't grow up in the best circumstances and therefore have become very submissive as an adult even in every day life and I'm too agreeable. One of my main reasons for wanting to start Judo and BJJ is to develop my character and to be able to stand up for myself more. I did some Karate in my teens but it didnt really help. I think Grappling will help me hugely though because the first thing you learn is to hold your ground and not back down and sure you have throws and submissions to finish the fight too. But I think training isn't just for self defense. For someone like me it will help me hugely in every day life such as work, school, etc walking into a room and knowing no one can talk down to me or insult me again and that I have the power to take care of them.

[@Chadi]

Great input, I'm glad you recognize these things too and work on them, don't ever stop

[@arashghanbari5907]

@@Chadi Thank you my friend. Do you have Instagram or Facebook so we can connect?

[@Chadi]

@@arashghanbari5907 instagram chadi.ae

[@TK-fc8rh]

Good content man. Im wanting to learn grapping Im 24. Never have done grappling but I have sparring experience and fights in boxing. Would u recommend me learn judo or wrestling. I have access in my city for both but have been told wrestling is easier to learn when it comes to the moves compared to judo? I need ur feedback man. Thanks.

[@Chadi]

Yes wrestling is far easier, way less techniques but no submissions, if your end goal is to go in MMA wrestling is easier cause there's no gi and you also have your striking background, but if you want endless throws and ground submissions then it's judo.

[@TK-fc8rh]

@@Chadi Okok sounds good man. In a self defence situation. Which would you prefer to have? And why?

[@Chadi]

@@TK-fc8rh i would prefer judo, because of the upper body grips and control, wreslters are always hunched over because they're ready to do single/double leg takedowns, while judokas always have a good upright posture, and the gi training is good for the streets because everyone is wearing clothes and grips for throws and chokes are crucial.

[@TK-fc8rh]

@@Chadi Thats very true man. How much times a week would you say one would have to train in order to get somewhat decent at judo. Being able to use the moves in a street fight situation?

[@Chadi]

@@TK-fc8rh 3 times per week should be fine.

[@mariotobias5918]

No, these are not enough. I trained starting in highschool in traditional Jujitsu informally (but I had no clue back then). My dad hired a friend of his who has trained in Kodokan for self defense training. We trained in our garage. My original sensei owned a gasoline station and he would occasionally fight to thwart off thieves. He fought a lot and he showed us wounds from knife cuts. This was like 30 years ago. Sensei said that the worst were the druggies who dont feel any pain. What he taught us kids were shiho nage. But his was a different kind. We do this against punches or knife attacks. We basically catch the arm in preparation for shiho nage BUT we break the elbow first using the shoulder as leverage. Then do we only complete shiho nage. He also said that the fight needs to be finished in an instant. Judo and BJJ dont have joint breaks unless arm bar. I have 2nd degree belt in aikido and studying Judo.

[@vids595]

Is is stunningly difficult to use judo or wrestling against someone who is trying to strike you, if have no experience sparring with strikes.

[@rustyshackleford735]

If it's combat sambo the strikes are already there, but in most sport sambo. I'd say that any top tier martial art can be good enough alone on the streets against a low technique thug, but due to all the variables the best art you can train in for survival on the streets is track and field, or maybe parkour. Being able to escape a fight is the best situation, if that's not an option then martial arts are your back up, I've won fights with just wrestling before I did BJJ, or Muay Thai.

[@nihilistlemon1995]

Running is enough for self defense

[@Chadi]

😂 but either way, train

[@nihilistlemon1995]

@@Chadi I train in running

[@Chadi]

@@nihilistlemon1995 and wrestling

[@nihilistlemon1995]

@@Chadi shuuuuuuu.......

[@pignokor5536]

sometimes cant run. for example with your wife or kid

[@vids595]

Sometimes it feels like I'm the only guy who has done martial since childhood and was never bullied. How was everyone bullied?

[@eddiecuevas5518]

Most you know better you will be i have many arts but most don't know how to talk a fall and that is bad if get knocked down

[@changym1980]

Who is the guy in the video? Yukio Tani?

[@Chadi]

Tobari, and Taro Miyaki (Uke)

[@user-fw6zn2yq1t]

What is best for weapon defense

[@Chadi]

Training combatives

[@jjs3890]

Early judo and many jujitsu systems had or have, striking in their systems.

[@jedijudoka]

Still is, but it’s only ever been limited to kata, so it lags behind big time compared to techniques trained in randori

[@jjs3890]

@@jedijudoka I can’t speak for other systems but for our jujitsu we put on head gear and free finger gloves and do striking n randori. Of course we subtract wrist locks, back of the head strikes and head butts, but everything else goes. Randori striking is basically using speed to just touch the head or body. Training power on heavy bags IMO s more important and is worked in a circuit after randori.

[@jedijudoka]

@@jjs3890 My bad, I was talking about judo, as that’s what I train in. That’s good for you that you train atemi. I used to do kickboxing and miss it. Would love to randori with strikes again.

[@vids595]

No. Ne waza is an absolute requirement, even though it is a last resort. But Judo is very rarely trained no gi, and neither judo or bjj teach basic self defense against strikes. MMA training is the best because it has striking and ground fighting and live sparring at full intensity.

[@viktorg8346]

Don't you think that judoka can have a really hard time throwing someone in the street due to most of techniques having quite poor distance management? You can get knocked out before throwing anyone. Isn't it problem that should bo solved and trained if we use judo for selfdefence?

[@Chadi]

Always go in covering your face, anyone in a street fight know they should cover their face and then jab for distraction and get a hold of them, but again nothing is guaranteed for anyone

[@bombastikderteutone6858]

@@Chadi i think he was refering to the throwing distance. in Wrestling if you get dominant position .e.g Double underhooks you are so close - no punches will be effective. in Judo if you got dominant grip- you are actually not that close... but in midrange "red zone" of his punches

[@Chadi]

@@bombastikderteutone6858 but if you are moving around they won't be stable whatsoever, feels different than it looks. Both judo and wrestling dominate the posture to render the other useless

[@bombastikderteutone6858]

@@Chadi ahhhaaaa thats really interesting! for punch protection in wrestling it seems that 1. double underhooks 2.double overhooks 3. over / under position is relativly punch safe if you will 4. Muay thai plum maybe too In Judo the only position I feel that my opponent cant punch me is when I grab the collar behind his neck with my right hand pull him into my chest and controll his right hand with my left. although youre right - When beeing yanked and pushed and shoved - trying to keep my balance is hard enough. Thinking about punching would be impossible

[@cbcsucks2205]

Most judoka strike just fine with a bit of training as they have quick enough hands to grab a lapel.

[@vids595]

Judo was made for self defense? I believe is was made as a combat sport so that Japan had something they would be good at in the Olympic games. It was derived from martial arts that had striking.

[@Liam1991]

A good self defence system should include, The pre and post fight Defending against wepeans Multiple attackers The law and what reasonable force you can use within the area you live in Pressure testing Spiring, both standing and on the ground De-escalating a potential attack Ambush attacks These are some of the things I've been learning since training with Krav Maga Global. I've also trained in Kickboxing, Judo, Goju Karate, and Taiho Jutsu. I also recommend looking into Rory Miller and Tony Blauer. I first learnt about them from doing Krav Maga, and they have influence some of the training KMG UK provides us.

[@Chadi]

You're absolutely right it's not just techniques, there's psychology, assessing the situation, weapons etc, escalating de-escalating and much more.

[@Liam1991]

@@Chadi yh, that's the thing that annoy me when it comes to sport martial arts, is they think sparring is the only thing you need to train in. Self defense is a completely different game. I remember asking my kickboxing instructor why do we bother to warm up if you can't do it in real life, or how do you defaned against a headlock or knife against your neck. Of course she didn't know what to say to me, as kickboxing only trains for the ring. So a 15 year old me was asking questions about self defense, but it took me a long time to realise that I was training in the wrong martial arts, and only a small number of martial arts trains for what I listed..

[@Chadi]

@@Liam1991 it's true, every sparring art whether striking or grappling should have mandatory self defense classes that go into everything from psychology and after the fight.

[@wrestlingjudoms1302]

You're definitely better off learning some striking.

[@tyvonable]

Lucky punch? I laugh

[@jesselowe9374]

Everyone has a puncher's chance.