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[@Y2K2PointO]

Herbert’s game in the last week of the season against the Raiders is still the single greatest performance by a quarterback I have ever witnessed. My wife was sleeping next to me and I was literally jumping out of the bed every time he completed a fourth down.

[@DBZlife-wm3ve]

Fr I've never seen a qb will a team like he did that day ever in my life we didn't get that win but still it was amazing

[@DogDongDotCom]

Those throws to those Mickey Mouse Pass catchers in the 4th quarter were amazing, especially on 4th down. People who don't know will scream he had Allen,Williams, Everett....People need to realize that Herbert has to be on the money just for those guys to catch anything, just look at them this year. Allen/Mike/Gerald 500 Yards 3 tds ($36m) Lad 600 Yards 4 Tds ($1.8m)

[@jeffreyhailey2941]

Very impressive..Mahomes beating Eagles on 1 leg is mine, but that SD/LV game was bonkers

[@martingerard2259]

@@DogDongDotCom The Linebacker on the Raiders actually got a hand on the ball, but he threw it so hard it knocked the linebackers hand out of the way!

[@martingerard2259]

He was amazing! And I am a Raider fan! His coach Staley kept him down!

[@andrewmiller4116]

So obviously Herbert has to win some playoff games to enter another level of discussion, but saying “there are only 3 qbs in the hall of fame without a playoff win” like bruh he’s 26

[@christopherwilliams2351]

There’s a reason Carton doesn’t have his own show anymore

[@independentmind85]

Manning played in such a different era than Herbert that comparing their two numbers aren't exactly apples to apples.

[@johnnypaiz2587]

Herbert is the real deal he's been let down by bad coaches and front office moves, Harbaugh knows what he has and will take him to the promised land. 🎺 📯 🎺 CHARGE! ⚡️⚡️⚡️

[@Rosepapi]

That playoff loss wasn’t just bad coaching. He gets some blame for that.

[@jeffreyhailey2941]

#IWantToBelieve

[@mackintwoink8173]

@@Rosepapihow the play calling was terrible defense let him down everybody forgets football is a team sport he did hid job the coaches failed him

[@bmdub]

@@Rosepapi He needed surgery immediately after that game from the torn labrum he was playing through and that was after playing over 3 quarters of a meaningless week 18 game his "defensive genius" of a coach had him in. He toughed it out that playoff game with zero running game help and missing his best receiver of the season because he broke his back also playing in the meaningless week 18 game.

[@Rosepapi]

@@mackintwoink8173 Had a 30 point lead stop with the excuses

[@brandenhill8426]

I don't think people appreciate how dreadful anthony lynn and brandon staley were as head coaches. All time buffoons.

[@mikewill1891]

Herbert has been elite since day one!!!!!

[@SPORTS1000NFL]

BS He's wasn't elite coming in. Just promoted as elite. If you consider elite top 5. He's not that. Likely never will be

[@mikewill1891]

@ 🤣🤣🤣 yeah ok champ shows you know jack 💩 👍😂😂

[@ben98_669]

As a chiefs fan Justin Herbert is absolutely electric

[@myzticaznfool]

Wins aren't a QB stat but that's never the narrative. Herbert has been elite since he joined the league.

[@Itsreload]

He raised the bar and people now expect that from Rookie QBs.

[@martin9410]

They are wrong about Herbert. Consider Burrow this season. Are they going to miss the playoffs because Burrow is bad this year? Of course not, he's playing out of his mind this year, maybe his best season, but you can't do it if you have too many missing pieces. The Bengals are not losing the season because Burrow is not an elite QB...their arguments are silly.

[@Swaguley]

Great point. Burrow is elite regardless of the team around him. Watch just how bad the Bengals would be without him. I hate this stupid QB wins stat. Let's not take into account that Tom Brady, the goat, had an elite defense and head coach almost every year of his career. Herbert has had two awful coaches that deserved to get fired and a bottom 25% defense every year except for this year. He was getting the wins he got DESPITE the dissaray around him.

[@Itsreload]

@@Swaguley Yup. I know many games where Mahomes or Brady was standing on the sideline with fingers crossed, while the defense closes out the game.

[@lanchinguyen7255]

Spot on comment. Herbert haters have baseless arguments.

[@Willtellthetruth]

If you’re not winning it doesn’t matter how “elite” you are. The Chargers didn’t sign Herbert to that extension for him to be elite on a losing team or on a team that can’t hold 21-pt leads. They don’t pay him to go several games without a pick only to fumble the ball to the opponent precisely when the opponent is building momentum. The fact that he recovered last week was nice, but let’s see what happens against the Ravens this week. If he loses then he’s somehow got four losses this season despite the league’s best defense, which is a bad sign since the defense won’t be this good every year.

[@BugSZN]

Burrow is in the same situation now that Herbert has been his entire career and nobody is saying burrow isn’t elite. Herbert is like 19-1 in games where his defense allows 20 or less points. Burrow got carried through the playoffs by his defense. If you are gonna say all this bs at least be consistent between players.

[@ronbohne1558]

Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Herbert. Thats the 5 NFL qbs teams would want most, period.

[@therealrickytan]

That’s the way I see it too. If they were all free agents, and teams only get to call one of them, I think Herbert would actually get the most calls.

[@wolfszn]

herbert has one more passing TD than hurts who yall claim is trash 😂

[@fscorpion678]

Herbert has been elite since year one

[@danielxcha]

Herbert is at worst the 4th best qb behind Mahomes, Burrow and Allen

[@fozzyozzy1030]

The Jackson disrespect is terrible jackson is number 2 only to Mahomes. He's cleaned burrows clock 9-1 against him

[@MrJpaynebb]

Stafford is better and has a Superbowl. Lamar is a 2 time MVP. Love Herbert but he is not better than those 2 currently. However now that Herbert has a formidable head coach with Harbaugh everyone will finally see over the next few seasons exactly how excellent Herbert really is. P.S. that loss to Jaguars is more on Staley. He is a defensive minded coach whose defense with the Chargers never even cracked the top 15 overall. Hard to win a playoff game when your defense is bottom tier.

[@danielxcha]

@@fozzyozzy1030 😂😂😂😂

[@brianhenry7983]

​@@fozzyozzy1030Lamar did it all by himself, not like he's had an elite team coaches kicker and defense. It's all Lamar 😂😂😂😂😂

[@mikewill1891]

Herbert can doing anything Mahomes Allen and burrow can do with ease and Herbert has the best arm talent since Dan Marino!!!! FACTS!!!!

[@JaaMizzou22]

Since you can show still images of the play could you perhaps show 120-150 still images of the play spread out over over 4-5 seconds?

[@silasdeane777]

Maybe even speed them up to something that would resemble a moving picture show?!? 🤔 I think we might be onto something!!!

[@Moneyman2001-f3e]

Coaching obviously makes a difference Brady had Bill now Herbert has what he needs

[@marklumar2034]

Its wild that we judge a QB more on a 3-4 game post season then we do on a 16-17 game regular season. Like we literally ignore the larger sample size and base their reputation solely on winning in the post season regardless of their actual performance.

[@jasonjanisewski78]

It depends. If a QB plays well but is let down by his Defense, smart people don't criticize the QB for that. What is fair is criticizing QB's who regularly Shrink in the playoffs like Lamar Harden

[@marklumar2034]

@jasonjanisewski78 but over time no one cares about the details they just care about wins and losses. I've seen brady have 3 INT games and no one cares cuz his team won so we just give him credit and say hes clutch in the post season

[@jasonjanisewski78]

@marklumar2034 Casuals may not care but people who follow closely do. For example, Brady's 1st SB his Offense only scored 3 TDs the entire playoffs. That ring he gets minimal credit for

[@1800blocksnipe]

@@jasonjanisewski78did he shrink against Houston?

[@jasonjanisewski78]

@1800blocksnipe No, he had a surprisingly good game. It is similar in the opposite way to how even Michael Jordan might have a 6-25 playoff game on occasion, but the next game he'd be back to amazing. Lamar had the 1 uncharacteristic game then was back to bad like usual next game vs KC

[@robbiemane]

THANK YOU FOR THE EPIC GRAPHICS !!!

[@giamarshall6323]

If Herbert holds nearly every passing record at this point in his career … yes u can cal him the greatest. Jerry Rice is the greatest because of stats .. Dan Fouts was great , Dan Marino was the great

[@Rodricktyrone]

I’ve been saying that Peyton manning is Herbert’s equivalent for two years now. Glad that stat line popped up.

[@andrecastillo2612]

Herbert threw for 5000 yards 41 total touchdowns. this is a stupid question

[@Jack-ms3so]

One of the NFL’s most underrated QB’s

[@themoderndaygamer637]

Are we still kidding? Why do we yave a bunch of numb skulls still on TV claiming that wins are a QB stat? its not. Herbert is and has been elite. Dan Marino and Peyton Manning struggled to play well in the playoffs and were considered elite. To say Herbert isnt elite when hes done what yes done with the worst o line, defense, and coaching for the first 4 years is insane. Lamar is 2-4 in the playoffs and hes considered elite. Get this morons outta here

[@1800blocksnipe]

Why you got Lamar on your brain in a conversation about dudes without playoff wins? Loll

[@JoseLopez-iz4ej]

Cause Herbert plays defense ok

[@karenhardie1132]

You need to have all three phases to win. KC has all three phases. Herbert is elite. Every qb needs the pieces around them to win. They cant do it alone. Has a great coach now.😊

[@Jviotr]

Caleb looked great in Sunday’s game. He’s going to be fine. Picking up a first down after being 3rd and 19 was so clutch!

[@PukeyMcDork]

@@Jviotr caleb was not great in that game. He’s about as good as you would expect the backup quarter back to me. If he had scored on some of those redone opportunities or scored on the two point conversion, they would’ve won the game. But he didn’t. He’s just not that good. He’s really similar to Justin Fields. A good back up quarterback that’s all.

[@Firstclasssempire]

Never seen a qb like Herbert. Man is a LITERAL GOD. I genuinely wouldn’t rather have any qb in the league . We like who we got

[@Itsreload]

Herbert raised the bar sooo much for Rookie QBs entering the league. When they don't do the same thing, people start calling them busts. The Jags game was is the worst example. Go back and disect every single play. If the Chargers defense just stopped ONE TD in the last 5 years the conversations will be different. Just ONE. Herbert still needs to have perfect games to win. His current set of receivers don't have a huge catching radius.

[@SickVendetta]

Caleb sucks, but the bears franchise sucks even worse. So even if this dude has talent, the bears aren't smart enough to put the right coaches around him to pull it out of him

[@christopherscruggs3897]

Sammy Baugh won two NFL championships, I have no idea why he’s saying Sammy didn’t have playoff wins??

[@PeteStanner4567]

Lamar, Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow and Prescott are the 5 top QBs at present. People talk about Allen, Daniels, Stroud but they aint done nothing and Allen fumbles and throws INTs like a high school kid Lamar and Mahomes still the best through.

[@TDG796]

So basically by their logic they would say Joe burrow has been awful this year? The QB wins/losses stat is so stupid, whether it’s for 1 season or over a career

[@LionelTurner777]

The dude in ugly plaid and the dude in pink will call JJ Watt elite. That destroys their argument

[@Gitiffan]

These guys hit the nail on the head. Herbert has the elite talent, but had no real head coach that knew how to make an entire team a solid unit. Harbaugh has the team playing disciplined and at a high level on both sides. Hortiz and Harbaugh took over and overnight, this team is completely different from the Telesco, Lynn and Staley era…OVERNIGHT! This team is basically the same players with cuts and adds here and there.

[@truthwarrior2149]

An elite quarterback is what my eyeballs say an elite quarterback is. Team performance is only part of it

[@tlkert2782]

9:37 take those same Caleb Williams "passes" or "exceptions" and apply them to them to Herberts playoff game in Jacksonville! His coach let him down. His kicker didn't hit a 40 yrd field goal. Dropped passes, Defensive penalties & tantrums! HIS TEAM LET HIM DOWN IN THE PLAYOFFS!

[@ricardosotosan2279]

That Peyton Manning comparison was pretty awesome.

[@Hancock-r2v]

Herbert is elite man he's breaking all kinds of records why don't you guys just recognize him for that he's going to win the super bowl and you guys are all going to shut your mouth and finally give him props

[@nsn5564]

Mahomes, Justin, Lamar, Burrow. That's the ranking.

[@pacificbeatz5440]

Dude with the bald head act like Herbert the same age as Aaron Rodgers lol

[@fatheremmet2003]

All of the top QB's in the league have benefitted from being in stable situations. This is only his fifth season and he as had to contend with THREE different HC's and FOUR different OC's.

[@themoderndaygamer637]

He had one playoff loss atter his defense let the jags score 24 points in the second half, and his o line couldnt block to save his life and williams was out and allen was hurt. To makw these claims is insanw. Wins arent a QB stat

[@herbminor4470]

Trevor Lawrence needs the same thing, A coach that is going to rely on the run rather than his passing ability.

[@chrisdeguzman7795]

How the fak u get to the playoffs without winning regular season🤦🏻‍♂️

[@SickVendetta]

Caleb's not even going to throw for 100 yd against the Minnesota Vikings so that record ain't falling

[@adamchilders836]

Tom Brady had two of the top 5 scoring offenses in nfl history. 'Talent' playing the qb position is not the same as physical ability. He had the talent to dominate the league for over two decades.

[@Itsreload]

He also had a coach that was really good with defense. His insight helped Brady. Coach also knew how to beat defenses. Football IQ is one of the hardest things to teach a QB. Some have "talent" but never get the brains part down.

[@lancepalmer8952]

Bros trying to say Mahomes and Rodgers are better than Brady 🤦‍♂️

[@barbaracaroll]

Herbert is better than Hurts definitely

[@jasonjanisewski78]

Caleb has shown 0 Elite Traits: -Lamar, Kyler, etc are far faster and more elusive. -Mahomes, Allen, etc have far stronger arms. -Burrow, Stafford, etc are far more natural within the pocket. -Accuracy... LOL

[@dantheman8152]

Elite Talent. But he gotta get a playoff win at some point lol

[@e-weenie5325]

Herbert is elite.

[@oJrae]

How is this even a question atp in Herbert’s career??

[@ezshottah3732]

You say talent. I say skill.

[@JA-gx4hb]

Arm strength is 99.9% talent.

[@KnGNova6]

here we go!! herbert stays on yalls minds

[@MrJeffgallo11]

I didn't know Herbert played defense........ .....He did score on every last drive and his defense failed him. He had many moments.

[@blood_sausage9620]

Yes, Herb is elite.

[@vier200406]

So you’re telling me that Brock Purdy is superior to Justin Herbert? How about Joe Flacco or Trent Dilfer? Were they better than JH? And they won a Super Bowl

[@HustinJerbert-q1z]

I think if Staley wasn’t such an inept HC Herbert probably would’ve won 1 maybe 2 by now

[@TATNThisAintThatNetwork]

3:40 rules were different. Context matters when analyzing data sets 🐻⬇️

[@SickVendetta]

Looking at that schedule, the bears aren't going to win another game this season. I put my life on it

[@fightingmink]

By that definition, Eli and Young are elite.

[@Itsreload]

Nick Foles is now elite. He won one Super Bowl. 🤣🤣🤣 Eli is in the Hall of Fame ballot this year.

[@immortal5383]

nice comparison vs peyton

[@Nate-r2c]

IF ELITE MEANS QB WINS A SUPERBOWL THEN NICK FOLES IS ELITE.

[@ThatJerkDude]

Chargers have no run game and no elite weapons and Herbert still playing at a high level

[@Odacoda]

so stats like passing yards or other stats don't mean nothing unless you have playoff wins? got it....

[@MrCallofdutyfanatic1]

The bear should go after Lincoln Riley at this point

[@brandondillman5841]

Sammy Baugh won 2 championships. What is this guy talking about? 😂

[@5891jonathan]

Use your eyes, dudes.

[@BratatoChip]

Imagine asking that lmao. Yes he’s elite

[@CHAMP_theBULLDOG27]

Michael Vick is the most talented QB of all time

[@Jibril_Adaov]

Look at Craig burried into his laptop in moments he shouldn't be

[@csquared973]

Herbert is top 5 qb- if u cant see that, u don't know football 🤔

[@jeremydaileysr.8243]

7:10 Caleb

[@stevenaguirre4796]

Elite…..NO! He routinely disappears second half of games. No playoff wins and the only playoff game he played he could not produce a single point to secure a win.

[@touvang5519]

Cant be in the playoffs if you dont play great in the regular season....

[@nsn5564]

Yhe Chargers aren't running the ball against any team with a morsel of defensive sense.

[@arkangelarkangel1302]

This is a stupid argument, because Purdy has had playoff success, and has gone to a Superbowl, so has Colin Kapernick, and Jimmy Garoppolo, AND THE CHARGERS AND A BUNCH OF OTHER TEAMS WOULD NOT TRADE JUSTIN HERBERT OVER ALL 3 OF THOSE DUDES... also Joe Burrow has had playoff success and a Superbowl, and the Bengals WOULDN'T change Burrow for Herbert, so once again... STUPID ARGUMENT... also the other 4 guys have gone to a Superbowl and lost it, and if Herbert wins a Superbowl, this argument would switch on a dime, to saying Herbert is just as good as Rodgers, and Brees, and Favre, so just let things happen.

[@frankiegarcia1810]

Needs to get Ws in the playoffs Tua is in the same level as him until he can get it done in the playoffs also

[@2005YouTubeUser]

Tua is not in the same league as Herbert

[@mikewill1891]

Tua is not even close to Herbert!!!!!!

[@josephtwining752]

Caleb needs to humble himself. He still thinks he’s God’s gift to football. Washington kicked the Bears a$$ all game, they got lucky in the late fourth to take the lead. It was the football gods that made that hail mary successful because the Bears had no right to win that game. He is so pompous and if he doesn’t change soon he will be a huge bust. He is so unlikable.

[@josecovarrubias7157]

Caleb is a bust. Just like Trey Lance. These "experts" keep hyping average guys and ppl still buy it...

[@JohnLee-ud2gm]

That was a waste of valuable time

[@RisitasKEKW]

Nerdy dudes picks for the week?

[@PukeyMcDork]

These guys are totally delusional about Caleb. Just admit you were wrong. He’s not generational. He’s not even the best of the four. He’s about the same as Justin Fields. Pretty good, but not good enough to rally a whole team and that’s what you’re seeing. When oh when is the media going to finally admit that he’s a bust?

[@4149stonepony]

They wont say he is bad because caleb isnt. Watch the packers bears highlights and then say he is bad.

[@specialenergy5199]

​@4149stonepony the man hasnt thrown a td in over a month and he got outplayed by Drake Maye. He takes bad sacks and can't finish drives if you are OK with field goals and mediocrity cool then he has been great.

[@PukeyMcDork]

@@4149stonepony as a Bears fan of course I saw the whole game and yes, there were times when he wasn’t bad but I didn’t say he was bad, I said he was a bust. What that means technically is as he did not rise to expectations. He is not generational. Yeah he threw a few passes. Big deal, so did fields. So I can feel the disappointment that you must feel too about this guy, I just don’t have the kind of hope. Maybe that you do. And there are a lot of people like you who want to believe and they can give the Bears veteran quarterbacks or tons of money and we can get rid of this guy.

[@4149stonepony]

@specialenergy5199 i did nt say he was great, that is your strawman. If you think he is bad, good for you. But the media and I know that he has the potential to be great and he has shown flashes. Not just oh we hope he will be good. I watched that last drive against gb and it was electric, the bears being the bears and the rest is history.

[@4149stonepony]

@PukeyMcDork You are being semantical to fit your POV. A bust is Ryan leaf or jamarcus russell. If that is the case then most every qb and player is a bust. Either your hard to please or just making ridiculous statements that border on moronic. I know hot takes are thing but Caleb is ascendant and will be happy to watch every snap he plays.

[@jameswagner2116]

Dear God these guys are absolute IDIOTS of the game....Herbert is breaking record after record....Herbert produced winning points in all of the games including the DREADED JACKSONVILLE game, the so called DEFENSE GURU did not produce preventing points....JUSTIN IS AMONG THE GREATEST QBs ever

[@mex148bucktown3]

Herbert is ok never going to be a super bowl but more then half the lead is not but he's not going to do nothing in the playoffs

[@keeganandersson4281]

Herbert has to make an AFC championship before I start putting him in elite company

[@nsn5564]

These guys are ignorant morons. "Haven't seen him rise to the occassion" LOLOLOLOL. Knows nothing about what Justin has done. I hate national media. Such morons omg.

[@oneputt4152]

caleb is definitely a bust, enjoying how bad caleb actually is

[@adamdreger4286]

Good thing you have no idea what you’re talking about

[@AmericaIsWorthSaving]

N O

[@Timmeh_The_tyrant]

Oh my god these losers are still doing this.

[@giamarshall6323]

You guys are clowns

[@seanmunninghoff3496]

Herbert should have had another all time choke job vs the bengals. He threw a pick 6 right in Mike hiltons hands and dropped it at the end of the game. It would have capped off a horrendous half and would have lost with a 21 point lead.

[@2005YouTubeUser]

Lotta ifs but the only thing I see is a win

[@JohnLee-ud2gm]

Another dejected Bengals fan😂😂

[@TravisMacKenzie-bo2me]

And if my aunt had a set of balls she'd be my uncle. Burrow threw an actual pick, not a hypothetical pick, that was wiped out to penalty. If I remember correctly, Herbert threw three dimes (one was dropped) on the last drive and the Chargers won the game. Not sure what your point is, Sean. If you're asserting that Herbert is a choke artist, I'd ask you why only Mahomes has more comeback victories over the last five years. If you're asserting that good QB's don't throw picks, or almost picks, from time to time, I'd say you don't watch much football. If you're asserting that Herbert throws too many picks, I'd say that he has one interception in ten games and has the lowest turnover worthy play rate of all time, beating out Tom Brady.

[@HH4-th6gu]

He finished the Bunguls and Arrogant Joe's Season..DimeLord10 ⚡️ Up

[@BugSZN]

Burrow is in the same situation now that Herbert has been his entire career and nobody is saying burrow isn’t elite. Herbert is like 19-1 in games where his defense allows 20 or less points. Burrow got carried through the playoffs by his defense. If you are gonna say all this bs at least be consistent between players.

[@whizkid00000]

Herbert been elite since 2021