Is Killing Floor 2 Dying? - KF2's Current State and Direction

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In this video I take a look at KF2's past, present, and hopeful future and what I think needs to be done to fix it.

[@RichardDangles]

Sorry about the weird audio in the beginning, the intro song was erroneously copy right claimed and it was the most sensible work around to just mute it.

[@oddbunchyeet28]

I just got the game and I do have to say the robots feel out of place, but thats what makes them so fun to fight

[@samueljackson5279]

I love how you talk about all the stupid shit but don't bring up the single most important reason why there is zero replay ability with kf2 - They Took Away Our Ability To Mod

[@kyoushikikunt]

There is a feature in KZbin that let you swap the licensed song with a different unlicensed song without having to reupload the video

[@Knighted_Owl]

IMO Tripwire would make a lot more money if they updated "Vs Survival" and convinced more people to play it, because, let's be honest the majority of kf2 players would prefer to taunt and show off to enemy players with emotes and cosmetics as oppose to A.I. Zeds and thus, more people would purchase crate keys in hopes of getting an emote or cooler customization option.

[@khanzy.]

@@Knighted_Owl ok zoomer

[@Yrm1e]

Yeah I just dipped entirely when DLC weapons were added. I was cool with cosmetics but having to pay to use certain weapons is dumb.

[@criticastrike]

Well, same. I mean, tripwire did that to kf1 and thought it would work same to 2 but still, that was a kind of letdown at the same time

[@jetstreamsam99]

Just don't buy them 🤦🏾They're not pay to win, you don't have to buy them at all.

[@criticastrike]

@@jetstreamsam99 yeah, it isn't literal gamebreaker or even mandatory but knowing it exist kind of bothered me too much. It wasn't the main factor that i stopped playing but well, it sure did make me feel that i'm not gonna play it much longer.

[@RTB3550]

@@jetstreamsam99 you are literally missing out on almost half the content not buying it. Stop trying to give excuses for them to continue this practice.

[@jetstreamsam99]

@@RTB3550 i'm not missing out on anything, because the DLC weapons are subpar at best compared to what we already have in-game. I'm not giving excuses, that's just literally a fact, that being if you really want them to change their policy on paid weapons, don't fucking buy them.

[@PeaseMakerYT]

Personally, my biggest problem with KF2 is that after 4 years of the game being out it's hard to just play it with someone. You still cannot host a server with SteamWorks, so you either have to hope there is a fitting community server out there or rent one. This is a co-op game, in 2020, that makes you look for a dedicated server. Every time there is a big update most servers are full or probably password protected, so this problem only gets worse. Not to mention a few other issues: long initial loading times, slow and grindy leveling with unrewarding perks, bloated game size due to all the cosmetics and lack of fun gamemodes. No one asked for the Versus mode, yet it was made for whatever reason. I think I've only seen people play it when it was in the beta and then occasionally during events to get the vault dosh. The objective mode is laughable and uninteresting. Where is any kind of proper story mode or some story based levels?

[@ronald6756]

very easy to host a server with SteamCMD, all you need is a barebones PC with internet connection, 4gb of ram is enough I even ran mine off an old core 2 quad 9400 with no issues. I would recommend hosting your own and leaving it public. if it's a good server with good map rotation people will come back. mine used to be full almost every time I booted it up, but this was just over a year ago before the DLCs were added. I don't play much these days let alone turn my server on. as for load times have you tried it on a SSD?

[@PeaseMakerYT]

@@ronald6756 I dont want to have a dedicated server. I just want to launch a game, play some custom map with friends and close the game after that. Not bother sorting out ports, updating the server files etc. SSD doesnt improve load times much + using an SSD as a response to developers not knowing how to optimize UE3 is a joke.

[@ronald6756]

@@PeaseMakerYT it's not much work it's 5 ports to forward all of which are easy to find online, and updating the files is as easy as typing "app_update 232130 validate", you can even run it from your own PC that you play the game from assuming it's got 10+GB memory and at least 4 cores. but hey I'm not saying you have to, just that it's 10x easier than everyone makes it out to be and far cheaper than renting. what sort of SSD are you using? if it's one without NAND flash then yeah it will be as slow as a HDD. I had mine installed on a crucial mx500 (one of the cheapest NAND flash models) and it takes less than 30sec from launching the game to main menu, big improvement over 2-3 mins from a mechanical drive.

[@Trooper_1015]

Server? On console we just search have a search for match option.

[@lunova6165]

Yeah I agree with the unrewarding perks. Everything is just generic percentage increases, and stuff you generally get from leveling. Even when the game was new having this type of skill system was already considered extremely outdated. Many overlapping perks, and skills, very much a lack of creativity. I felt absolutely no reward or no real care about getting any level ups, or perks. The class ideas stopped being interesting the first game and they added very little to make it anymore enjoyablle.

[@Hobobatman1000]

KF2's marketplace is atrocious. There are nearly three hundred pages of items on the KF2 market and there is no way to filter them; no way to filter by character, by class, by gun, by quality, by rarity; nothing. Even Unturned, a free to play game made by one person has filters for its market. Even if a player finds something they are interested in, they can't even preview the item. Players can't even preview items in the in-game store; Tripwire somehow expects people to pay upwards of $5 for cosmetics and only provides thumbnails for their customers. TF2 and CS:GO both have entire websites dedicated to previewing cosmetics, and both games catalogs and systems in place to let players preview cosmetic items in 3D renders in-game. KF2 has neither. It is genuinely baffling that Tripwire implemented a microtransaction based zedconomy to their game against the wishes of their fans, and have done absolutely nothing to improve it, years after its implementation.

[@BabyKobeeee]

My problem is that these gaming mega corps are now somehow making this microtransaction bullshit okay. They have legitimately brainwashed companies into thinking that microtransactions are the only way to raise funds for a game. They haven’t added ANYTHING worth all cosmetic microtransactions they sell. Let alone $10 dlc weapons. So that narrative doesn’t work when the company doesn’t actually use the money to make the game better.

[@retroplayer56]

Tripwire is a small private company tard

[@Kain-wk6xk]

@@retroplayer56 agreed. I mean killing floor 2 is essentially a triple A game made with an indie team, it makes sense that keeping it going would be significantly harder then a game like the original. I've said this before but all they need to do is go free to play. Right now, KF2 is barring any person who can't spend quite a decent amount of money to purchase the base game on top of already being quite nische in terms of audience. Right now, the game is hitting a point where the small audience that they have is kinda run out of interest and willingness to spend. They are still wanting people to pay for the game which is probably the most baffling thing given that the most likely thing to save this game is the fact that this game has built up a decent f2p economy system. Not saying that its well made, but it has things that have potential. Headshot effects being one of the better examples being something only really seen in this game. Making money from f2ps would also allow tripwire to make the dlc weapons available for people who purchased the original game or at the very least bring in people who will make better community content for the game they can implement than HRG weapons.

[@justiceforjoggers2897]

@@Kain-wk6xk Or better yet, stop with the paid DLC weapons, scrap the market the way it's set now and push for player created content, boom bada bing. KF2 gets a breath of fresh air and old players start coming back

[@BabyKobeeee]

Bottled Titty Milk exactly, being a small company means nothing when they already created the game lmao running the game is the problem not the studio.

[@ToldDoctor]

You just said everything, kf2 feels so full of lazyness but it has so much potential at the same time...

[@favkisnexerade]

more potential for what? for more clown items or more weapons to shoot at clown zombies?

[@Dr.Oofers]

Furry Favkis Nexerade More potential to be a better game, like Killing floor 1. Kf2 feels like the devs barely do much with the game, nor understand their fanbase. Like adding EDARs, as they don’t fit the setting or mood. Literally adding a $10 price tag for *two* weapons, (you have to pay around $20 for *both* weapons), and generally just feeling like they’re adding content for the sake of adding content, like they have no vision or future for the franchise. Literally payday 2, another game that suffered from a painful launch and micro transaction implementation, was able to get it’s bearings and drew back a good chunk of its player base.

[@dmercy946]

So much potential... :/

[@GoldenWhistle]

@@favkisnexerade more pve modes . They can do a l4d game mode, where players moves forward in a huge map, or a big push mode from cs online

[@ToldDoctor]

@@mrcdn çai daq

[@lac0tr0n80]

I personally would like to see some more content for solo players. I absolutely love KF2, but it's so hard to find a server with less than 100 ping where I live and playing solo just feels boring after 5 minutes.

[@elephantt2077]

Yeah. Something like dedicated story modes with dungeon-like exploration would be nice

[@RebelFNOS]

I honestly would like to see a lounge or hangout (not like cod ww2 where it was necessary to play the game) so you can meet up with your squad before and/or after a match to celebrate or even find other players who are looking to group up for a good couple rounds instead of one and leave

[@MMMMO_O]

You should look into server hosting. It is not very difficult and requires almost no work unless you want to add custom maps. Just look up a few guides or videos and YOU can be the server for yourself and anyone else.

[@hrqsilv]

KF1 had a option to host a Listen Server (server that stays up while you're playing) and anyone could join (your reigion) but in KF2 you're forced to join dedicated server with "veteran players", stupid chat messages and no difficulty choice.

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

Game had great potential for a campaign more than any other unremarkable fps but oh well the lore got left in grandpas attic. Just look at the original one that was like silent hill, good campaign with a twist.

[@SirCrackerBulb]

Personally as someone who is a massive fan of the series, the love and effort put into kf2 post launch wasn't as much as KF1, like look at some of the events recently, it used to be one official map and one community map, now it's just a community map They put more of focus into micro transactions to a point where the cosmetics in the game is overbearing and I'm guessing since it wasn't selling as much they decided to make new weapons paid and arguably p2w-ish As for new enemies, we had one, e-dars which I'd have been fine with, if they weren't working with zeds, especially when you consider who created them the daughter of the patriarch, who was working with you in killing floor 1??? I think the final nail in the coffin for me was instead of looking to rebalance and fix things themselves, they made a survey on what was wrong and are just passing it over to saber interactive Who I'll admit made a fun game with the wwz licence however post launch once again, was incredibly lack luster

[@elgatochurro]

Yeah i really dont get the robots... at all...if they wanted a zed with done shoulder rockets... why not just do that? Maybe a tentacle to grab peoole They stand out so much

[@fireblast133]

The Edars would have made more sense if they attacked Zeds too. Like they A) became a hazard as they are going haywire and attacking anything besides them, and B) give a reason to focus them cause every kill they get takes dosh from your pocket.

[@eren7kruger129]

A zed enhanced by cybernetics would have much more sense than EDARS, also since they were focusing on making variants of zeds I expected more of them being added, but EDARS were the last(not counting bosses)

[@fireblast133]

Eren7 Kruger12 a zed that can slow down players (no the edar trappers don’t count) or a zed that can move faster might have been good ideas.

[@eren7kruger129]

@@fireblast133 time ago I had an idea about a sort of Husk variant, wich would shoot a sort of ice stuff to slow you down. Also yeah, a really fast zed would have been cool to see. Do you ever seen Twichers in Dead Space? Yeah, something like that as a sort of mid tier zed

[@kz11377]

There could be a few twists in the game to make it better. Edars could be part of an automated security system within any level that features horzine facilities where if the player team doesn't manage to clear out the zeds within a given time span, they appear and kill everything, zeds and players alike. Also the survivalist perk, should be able to lay traps...

[@GameFuMaster]

KF2's enemies play like a fast paced action shooter like Doom/Rage 2, while the gunplay feels like a medium paced tactical shooter (R6 siege) but the gunplay is nowhere near as enjoyable.

[@aydinmakesthings]

Amazing ideas!!!

[@DD-lu4xs]

GameFuMaster I like that allot actually

[@artstar5994]

Or maybe turrets.

[@49mozzer]

The EDARs work for the Matriarch who is trying to find an kill the Patriarch so why the EDARs fight alongside the zeds is baffling to me.

[@Kirklegacy]

I stopped playing because I was spending too much on cosmetics. When I learned they would charge for guns, I decided to not come back. I got nothing against the robots though.

[@afroflower]

Same

[@SegaMario]

Someone who doesn't hate/quit KF2 just because of the E.D.A.R.s? Huzzah, a man of quality! Seriously, I'm sick of all the E.D.A.R. whining. They'd probably be better received if they were as simple to kill as every other Zed, though.

[@kamik1ng]

@@SegaMario I don't have anything against as well, but I think they could be like the other zeds, made of flesh and bone. Maybe the blaster could be a zed with 2 laser pistols, the bomber could be a zed with the seeker six and the trapper using something like the matriarch zap weapon.

[@TheMagnumDon]

@@SegaMario my opinion is that the E.D.A.R.s might be great as just staying as the Matriarch's Backup instead of a actual zed

[@rizkisoekartono454]

Yep same about a year ago when paid weapon started release

[@ashes180-x7d]

The cosmetics are baffling. All these different hats for a game that is solely 1st-person. It's not like you regularly see your character model outside the 1st-person perspective like in TF2.

[@spacegamer267]

Its to flex

[@fridge713]

@@spacegamer267 yup

[@chainos2519]

@@spacegamer267 I don't know about you but i don't really care what my teammates look like. It's the skill of a team that matters for me. I would rather have a person with the default cosmetics who is really good than a new player who just spent 20$ buying hats and outfits. Gun cosmetics however is fine to me since you actually see them.

[@DrDensonTheRedGryphon]

I mean, as much as I don't care about cosmetics, you do see them as much as you do in tf2, in the menu before the game starts (changing your louadout in tf2) and when you taunt. You don't see it really at all even in tf2 other then that. But a lot of games do that, another one in mind is Borderlands 2, if you play singleplayer people won't even see you at the end (I am mentioning that just because there are cosmetic bundles you can buy but it may be a bit different I guess)

[@Digger-Nick]

They spend all their time developing cosmetics instead of giving more depth to the class system.

[@VOKZEL]

The devs need to shift their focus into bringing in new players. I recently got KF2 cause I played it at a friend's house and I loved it, but I almost completely forgot the game existed until that point. I'm not talking advertising, they need some brand new addition that could reel in new players.

[@Prodigial]

That's what they've been trying to do. All it has done is lead to half assed modes that have been forgotten about or poorly implemented systems. Versus mode is never played at all and is basically false advertising at this point. The upgrade system has NEVER been implemented well. Weekly outbreaks were added years ago with no new ones added ever since. They need to focus on making the core game balanced and fun again, not shitting out stupid systems, game modes, and enemies.

[@BabyKobeeee]

BonJoviFanboy this game will fail if it doesn’t go F2P

[@VOKZEL]

@@BabyKobeeee Nah, it will fail even harder. At least for my friend group, none of us buy cosmetics and shit in F2P games. They need to keep the pricetag.

[@Slurpified]

I thought they pretty much did because cod zombies died out so like a portion of the community moved over to KF2.

[@Egoryotu]

@@VOKZEL bruh i was JUST going to buy this game but now everyone's saying its shit because of the overpriced/lazy dlc. But i don't care about the dlc i just want to play the game. So do you think it's a good buy? (ps I'm a console peasant on xbox)

[@RumpIeForeskln]

I just can't stand having my config files reset so often. Even if I got them backed up and I can just replace it real quick, its ridiculous I have to do this ever.

[@kakolykia]

What's the reason?

[@SirSqueakStir]

same here they really need to fix the game. as for dlc guns.... wtf were they thinking? $10.00.... no one wants to pay for that price and the loot boxes they push on you is so wrong on so many levels.

[@TheKenji2221]

I don't mind the lootboxes. They're purely cosmetic, pretty cheap and the drop is pretty good. But yeah. 10$ for one gun is too much

[@SirSqueakStir]

@@TheKenji2221 it doesn't matter if there cosmetic or not. you still pay real money to gamble on something that when the game dies you don't anything back, it goes away as well. I support making loot boxes illegal altogether.

[@TheKenji2221]

@@SirSqueakStir You loose everything no matter what in any dead multiplayer games. The game itself is lost. Now yes. Some multiplayer games have solo content. But most of them don't. Plus I usually am against lootboxes, but here it's purely cosmetic. There's no advantage in buying them and you get dozens for free plus the prestige ones. We're talking about Tripwire here, not EA. They don't have billions. This is real life, they have to find ways to make cash or else they can also kill KF2 and switch to the 3rd. And when they're out of cash they go to the 4th, etc... In the end, it's not 2-3 cosmetics you loose, but entire games !

[@oscarriveraabal9390]

Lootboxes are cosmetic so they arent that dirty, but paywall for new guns while we get reskins for free is ridiculous.

[@VOKZEL]

How do they push lootboxes on you? They give you access to the vault and vault crates which are the most generous I've ever seen from any game. You literally get vault crates every other match, and if you prestige a perk you get 4 or smth.

[@wolfpackleaderz6422]

@Richard dangles my main complaints being a console player are as follows. 1: always online 2:no single player perk progression 3:skin inventory is saved to the server not locally so you have to be online to use it 4:can't use bots to practice tactics with 5: no dosh progression when offline 6: any perk you've already levelled up significantly when you go offline loses its lvls

[@wolfpackleaderz6422]

A bot mod to fix solo play issues kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHzSnKd8gMdrnJY

[@HoundRagnarok]

I'm actually glad that my stuff is saved online because my PS4 had to be reset when switching to a new one. I thought I lost all my saved stuff. Couldn't you just do a hot spot from your phone and play solo on an invite only match.

[@wolfpackleaderz6422]

@@HoundRagnarok nope my isp is poor

[@2diefor]

@@HoundRagnarok I tried that, the skins still wouldn't load nor would my vault dosh progress. What a load of shit.

[@jonasstrzyz2469]

4:can't use bots to practice tactics with This is an unreasonable complaint given that not even trippel A studios put in the effort and time that it would take to add competent bots. 5: no dosh progression when offline Also kind of unreasonable, the reason why you cannot earn currency in offline that you can purchase micro transactions with is because if because some hackers would develop cheats, yeeting the entire marketplace. 1: always online 6: any perk you've already levelled up significantly when you go offline loses its lvls Not sure how these two are not the same. But I do agree that leveling from online should be carried over to offline and vice versa.

[@doyoulikemycomment1165]

Yes it’s dying. I can’t even get into a hell on earth long game because nobody plays it anymore

[@sopmodtew8399]

;(

[@MyH3ntaiGirl]

Find a server mate

[@cherrydragon3120]

the playstation is dead already. havent found a match for days now.

[@doyoulikemycomment1165]

Cherry Dragon yea that’s what I play on, the only game I found has hell on earth in a short game. And I couldn’t even find a match in anything else except for the easiest mode which obviously I wasn’t gonna play.

[@asiancowss]

I’m down to play with you in HOE long game if you need someone

[@harveybudgen4437]

This video is great, I really hope the Devs see this vid

[@emersonfb950]

In my opinion the worst part about those DLC weapons is that they put those skins together just to inflate the price,they should sell only the weapons without any skin for 5 bucks at least.

[@chambered2412]

I'd argue two bucks for a single weapon is a bit much. Actually, no, I don't think they should be asking money for new weapons. It doesn't matter if only one person in the lobby needs it for everyone to have access to it, it's scummy.

[@cherrydragon3120]

5 bucks for a virtual weapon? you gotta be insane… i would say 5 bucks for 2 weapons Plus 2 skins each weapon. that sounds reasonably enoughto support the devs and still get tons of weapons to use. i mean, how often do you even use them to begin with since there are like 100 other weapons around you can use? so 5 to 10 bucks for 1 weapon is a big overprice. its like paying 1 dollar for 1 roll of toilet paper while normaly you can pay 3/4 dollar for 10/20

[@eren7kruger129]

Probably if weapons were free they could even get more money, so it's more likely that theyr skins could be bought my more people by them

[@pixelmaster98]

hell, I don't even want most of the skins. They just fill up the inventory, which already has the worst organization I've ever seen. Just think about the skin qualities - no way to automatically recycle all skins of which you have one of a higher quality (e.g. recycle the battle-scarred version if you have mint one)

[@ZaneZephyr]

KF2 is one of my favorite games and I can easily find myself getting lost in it once I start playing it. That being said, I do have some issues/suggestions on how I would like to see the game improved: 1. Can we nerf crawlers a bit? They’re already annoying enough and spawn in large groups so can we curb their damage/evasiveness down a bit? I know they’re supposed to be small and squishy but they can get overwhelming out of nowhere, especially since they have so many spawn points. 2. Weapon balancing: I think it would be nice if tripwire were able to make some sort of weapons balance pass every month/two months and try to make sure some weapons aren’t out of line and some aren’t total garbage. It feels bad when a gun you want to like is trash to use or you catch wind of your favorite weapon getting a buff but knowing you have to wait like 3 months until the seasonal event comes out. 3. This is more personal preference, but I would LOVE if there was a stats page where you can look at things like time played, total kills (and a breakdown of each enemy), class stats, etc. it’s just something that I think would be fun to have. 4. The last thing I would say is maybe give a slight bump to the xp you gain. I don’t really mind grinding in KF2 because I always feel like I’m doing it with a purpose but after a while it starts getting to me and it starts feeling a bit pointless(?). Even with the prestige bonus it doesn’t seem like it gives me that much more. Overall I do love this game and want it to succeed but they have some work to do if they want to start bringing people back.

[@pepprspice4550]

for 3 kf2stats.de

[@ZaneZephyr]

@@pepprspice4550 im on console :(

[@JinxGoober_03]

And 5. Take out the robotic enemies. It's what made me stop playing KF2. The robots ruined the mood for me and a lot of other people.

[@TheJigen]

I disagree about EDARs, more enemy variety would be great. Also getting crawlers to go on walls and ceilings as originally planned would be awesome.

[@apeblackberry3641]

they can add variety of enemies that fits in the theme of the game. Why make robots in a game what focused on zombie like mutated humans? I mean , they could just make a different husk model with the EDAR's abilities and everyone would've been fine...

[@wizard_of_odds2491]

@Sparks Edars do have a role which is using CC on a player by using a trapper...... Which is broken if your playing on Suicidal or HOE cause it ruins the flow of the game.

[@eabdic1]

I’m still going to be playing it, it’s the only game that puts a smile on my face. I’ve mostly played suicidal because I don’t have a hell on earth team to join. It’s not dead and I think it’ll keep going for a while but I’m willing to bet if they don’t update it soon to something more interesting it will go away fast. The one thing that pissed me off is they never introduced the Martial Artist class. That would have had a lot of people stay for the game. Instead we got Survivalist and a lot of people distain that class. I don’t mind it buts it’s nothing compared to the rest. I’m still playing KF2 anyway, I’m going to be playing it until it dies. Hell I was just playing it as the video uploaded lol

[@BabyKobeeee]

PowerSabu619 martial artist? Where’d you hear that?

[@joshwist556]

babyKobe It was gonna be one of the new classes that the devs were gonna add during the beta of KF2. Which was the reason why the Katana was classless for a while during beta. The idea was I think, about multiple attacks using blades, fists and even throwing stars. Sounds similar to the berserker but the martial artist was just a concept at the time. We didn’t know what it was all about.

[@williamjames7293]

😂😂😂 just imagine some guy going kung fu with his bare hands on a scrake,husk or quarter pound 😂😂😂😂 Berserker would be humiliated

[@bhvnshunteredits]

@@williamjames7293 lol u made me die

[@zzzroxyzzz]

word4ward, add if you want, we usually only play hell in earth

[@Neeverseen]

Put things in perspective. The formula already existed in the first game, KF2 saw the light of the day because of the veterans first and foremost because brand was pretty niche`. If you already spent hundreds of hours popping heads in the first game, you won't spend an equal amount of time in the next. Another thing is age, many people simply grew out of video games between the releases, or don't have that much time to waste. Most people just max one or two classes, finish some games on HOE and call it quits, this is not an RPG which you can play for thousands of hours. For me personally, KF2 departed too far from the first game. They went from dark grindhouse horror to a bright and flashy biohazard kind of theme. The game is also less tactical with a smaller focus on teamplay and importance of class choice. Everybody kind of plays for themself, hell, sometimes medics don't even heal their teammates.

[@marcosheredia2537]

You nailed it...I was more interested in the zombie horror aspect of it, even if they were insistent with the EDARs, someone else mentioned it....let the EDARs attack everyone not assist the zombies or monsters. Great point how they changed a bit too much from KF1 to KF2.

[@YasaiTsume]

Actually, kind of the opposite. KF2's perk system goes against the entire point of a survival game, which is to be able to survive individually. The moment I played KF2 from beta, I knew something was wrong : they ingrained classes into a survival game where anything can go wrong. In KF1, perks affected gameplay, but didn't dictate how yu can survive. Yu can literally pick up any weapon yur allies dropped on death and still make it work. Now enter KF2. If yur Demo died with a full RPG, I shyt yu not that the Support would rather run around finding ammo boxes than to pick the RPG up to use it, because the Support perk buffs Shotgun really really really hard to the point the RPG is just a boomtube with less ammo and weighs more. Medics too : they are barely even able to do damage with any other perk weapon, but even if they can, they should be healing 24/7 due to how much the damage is pouring in on HoE. I played as a dedicated Medic for my group for awhile, and all I did was camp AR and tagged people with darts and using nades to delete trash packs so my team can focus on the big ones. KF1 is true survival horror. KF2 is a glorified buddy shooter with RPG style classes. This is also part of the reason why I play Survivalist as my main Perk in KF2 : it feels more like KF1. I played a game with all players 25 Survivalist and it's the closest thing to KF1, not to mention a good challenge.

[@komandage73]

Everything you talk about in your videos, are so Well explained and aptly put. I really enjoy watching your description about each and every other topic in both kf2 and payday2, be it guns, Zeds, police units in payday2... Et cetara. I really like your informative style. Keep up the great work. :D

[@OldBloodRKR626]

Here's a few things that seriously need to be fixed, and the first ones seem to coincide. They can be broken down into this: Damage dealt and spawn points: Trash Zeds should NOT have the killing capabilities of a Fleshpound or Scrake. We did not bust our asses honing our skills on the classes we use just to be slaughtered by a damn crawler that does a stupid cartwheel which completely obliterates nearly HALF of your health, and this is coming from a fully perked Dreadnought Berserker. God help every other class in the game, because they just do not have durability even CLOSE to me. That ties into this, ENOUGH of enemies spawning directly on you or unfairly in the direction a dying player is trying to escape to on Suicidal and Hell On Earth. All but one player have died or someone unfortunately gets separated from everyone else, so now the game spawns CROWDS of enemies on that one player, and it's NEVER fair. It can be from a clot to a God damned Fleshpound walking out of the doorway that a player is trying to go through, and is being followed by an inescapable wall of other zeds. If the trash enemies could not deal so much damage at higher levels, this wouldn't be as unfair, but NOPE, the only way Tripwire knows how to make the game harder is to make it cheezy. Plain and simple, only zeds with actual devastating attacks should be able to deal death bringing blows at any time, not all of them. In short for these few adjustments, FIX the spawn point problem, and STOP letting trash enemies have super powered attacks. They already gain new attacks that you have to learn from, WHY make them stronger when new behavior is what actually should make the game more intense. That seems to be it, for me as well. I don't know how other people choose to play, but I do it by the skill set I choose. All I ever really play is Berserker because I choose to be the shield of the team, and a fully perked Dreadnought that knows how to use the Bone Crusher can get the job done. In other words I don't run into a lot of the other problems other people run into, at least when it comes to other classes. Thanks, hopefully people highlight this comment. EDIT! I'M SICK AND TIRED OF CRAWLERS WALKING UNDER ME AND LITERALLY MOVING ME AROUND THE MAP! I'm also tired of zeds spawning in on me when I'm trying to fight off the scrakes and fleshpounds! That's nothing but cheese!

[@katamarankatamaranovich9986]

Fucking hate crawlers, man. I die to them more often, than to fleshpounds, it's annoying. They spawn everywhere in vast numbers and can eat your entire health-pool in 1 second if they attack at the same time.

[@doma7572]

exactly, crawlers and fucking stalkers, with sharpshooter its absolute cancer to fight. they sneak up on you and destroy your health.

[@PlainOlSoapBar]

Ya forgot about the cancerous stalkers. Can barely see them, hard to hit because they move around like crazy, and go beyblade on your ass and few seconds most of your hp is gone.

[@kamik1ng]

@@PlainOlSoapBar Dude I've made a test about how long could I sustain an stalker ambush with like 2-3 of them compared to a fleshpound raged. It took like 4 seconds to stalkers tear me to pieces and was way more(at least a double amount of time) for a fleshpound to kill me

[@PlainOlSoapBar]

@@kamik1ng lmaooo

[@elliottgaal9774]

I'm on the fence concerning the game. I enjoy it as a casual shooter with buddies. I understand the frustration with balance and slow seasonal content. Honestly not sure what to think.

[@dat1ytcomment262]

Try it its still fun. Below 20 is a good price for the game. With that price you can pick up two brand new weapons! But seriously you should at least try it out.

[@Carpatouille]

Nah don't buy that shit, HoE balance is trash and no one plays the game, so unless you plan on playing solo suicidal games at best you're not going to do anything with it. Not even talking about other modes than survival, they're even less played and basically a joke, especially the objective mode which is the most cancerous and worst mode of all alongside VS mode, which at least had some originality and fun into it unlike objective mode. You'll have a good time for a while but you'll end up frustrated by TW's terrible decisions. ESPECIALLY if you paid the full price for the game. Or only buy it when it's on sale on steam for half the price, otherwise don't.

[@hk-4714]

@@Carpatouille Statement: I'm a relatively new player to the game and while I like it a lot...I haven't even been able to play a VS match. At all. No one does it. I bought it when it was steeply on sale from Steam, and I am enjoying it quite well. However, yes, like you said I'm really starting to see where the holes are between perks and with different weapons and the difference as I've been scaling up to suicidal and HOE when I can. I'm not the best FPS player, but I'm not a scrub either. I mostly like objective mode, though, as it's a nice occasional changeup from straight survival.

[@Carpatouille]

@@hk-4714 Yeah sometimes it's hard to even do survivals even when it's the main and most popular gamemode of KF2, so for secondary gamemodes like VS it's almost impossible to find games nowadays. You can definitely have fun in this game but it will come to an end eventually. Glad you enjoy objective mode, at least there's still a few people playing this gamemode compared to VS, which doesn't seem to have a single player on it in Europe. I'm still extremely disappointed with TW's decisions, when you've done pretty much everything, as a veteran you have nothing to look forward to nowadays with real new weapons being locked behind paywalls now. For new players KF2 is still a good game, not worth the full price but on sale it might be. However it becomes really bad for veterans, even with a workshop, and even less without it...

[@Dake21]

It's still a really fun game but the last few updates makes me wonder if the dev are bored with the game and lost interest. Maybe they should start working on KF3.

[@artstar5994]

Or just retire their lazy asses!

[@SpunkMayo]

Hell no, if PlanetSide 2 could climb out of the grave, and even DayZ could get some good updates, KF2 isn't doomed.

[@macrofurra]

@@SpunkMayo dayz is still shit tho

[@sharinganfox5038]

I would like to ser in the game: -kf1_farm -Lüger for the gunslinger -famas, g36c for commando -kar98k, dragunov for the sharpshooter -scorpion for swat -spash-12 for support -another voice when the quoter pounds spawning in the map

[@lethalfumes]

As a berserker main, there will always be a hole in my heart that could only be filled with the long lost martial artist perk😔

[@maxwellsterling]

I think a question that might need asking is why I can jump on KF1 and play for hours, but jump on KF2 and get out after one, maybe two matches.

[@meysamnorovzi8457]

I still prefer kf1 this day... snd damn i love it... just played it yesterday for about 7 h and had so much fun and flashbacks man

[@markusreed5447]

Why can't they Port the Old KF1 Map and Weapons over to KF2? I mean most stuff is already there and they would only need to 'Update' the Graphics.

[@DrunkMonkey675]

Markus Reed it’s not exactly that easy, they would also need to remake the animations for all the weapons from kf1.

[@markusreed5447]

@@DrunkMonkey675 ok but didn't they use community maps in one of their Map pool updates? What is stopping that then? Or using some of the re-created old maps (re-created by the community)

[@BigSad49702]

@@DrunkMonkey675 I asked the same question to tripwire. They said it would be too much and they don't plan on bringing any of their PC games to console.

[@ItsPundore]

@@BigSad49702 then the game will just die. They could make another mill if they ported everything over from kf1 as some sort of 'OOOO, LOOK SHIT IS COMING IN FROM KF1 LOOK EVERYONE'

[@MrChadsimoneaux]

@@ItsPundore I'd be really, really, exceedingly happy if they would just redo some of the maps from kf1. Foundry, Moonbase, West London, hell yeah. I know all of those are probably already available on PC but I'm playing on PS4. I know WL exists on kf2, Tripwire port the maps!!

[@noiseyrabbit8264]

Killing Floor 2 really needs a redesign, with a focus on actually making fun classes and a structured gameplay loop. So far it's just a hellish mishmash of weapons, maps, enemies, and classes that don't mesh well. We need cohesive design, straying away from abusive MTs and half baked updates.

[@mcdima4989]

When they announced the dlc weapons I uninstalled immediately, haven't played since and don't really care about it anymore. If your game costs 25€ don't give me the bullshit of dlc weapons

[@ashes180-x7d]

Classic maps would be a nice addition.

[@elephantt2077]

The users are already making custom one lol

[@infntnub]

They've been available almost as long as the game has been out in the workshop - and they're pretty well done ports.

[@schnozbott]

I found it kinda baffling that it took them something like 4 years to get around to finalizing the Matriarch, given that she was teased back in early access. Every other new post-launch boss is just a bigger armored/shielded version of an existing zed (Abom, King). I don't have a problem with EDARs now, but their initial implementation was clumsy and they needed to be nerfed a lot. Strongly agree that the DLC is overpriced and always has been, including crate keys. It sends the wrong message and it leaves a lot of the community forming conspiracy theories about how greedy the devs are and all the sports cars they must be buying. I've been in the industry so I know it doesn't work that way, but people are dumb and will believe anything. The event updates have also been less than amazing, especially the current beta. The worst part is the event objectives. Basing an achievement around getting kills with a trap mechanic that doesn't even fucking work is the height of idiocy.

[@jetstreamsam99]

To be fair, $2.50 for a cosmetic isn't expensive or game-breaking, because it's just cosmetics. They should however lower the prices on DLC weapons

[@schnozbott]

@@jetstreamsam99 Given that a crate's contents are random, 2.50$ always felt a titch high to me. 1-1.50 if it's a gamble please. Thankfully they do quietly have sales later on DLC weapon packs, I got the Rhino/IonThruster combo for 7.50

[@2diefor]

@@schnozbott The crates you receive from online matches should 100% guarantee a rare or precious skin, not a goddamn battlescarred skin.

[@zergtoss1]

The thing that really kills kf2 is it’s barrier to entry for new players. Grinding 30hrs or whatever to get one character’s zed time ability is ridiculous. So thankful for whoever created and refined killbox lel.

[@FurryEskimo]

I still like the game, so do my friends, but the amount of grind required to level up all the classes wore me out a Lot. I’ve been taking a multi-year break, and only recently have begun considering going back.

[@FurryEskimo]

Still playing three years later, with mostly active servers any time of day. Sure it’s not as active as before, but it’s still a lot of fun! ^-^

[@harolrvez7124]

Maybe its time for them to implement story mode, im kinda getting tired with their content lately.

[@apeblackberry3641]

They never gonna do that because Veterans are gonna witchunt you even if you are suggesting this idea on TW forums or Steam. But yeah , i agree. I wish for a meaningful story mode , co-op campaign instead of horde mode , but always getting a lot of hate for it.

[@georgegelizon5847]

Honestly I think that will do some good atleast keep more players interested on single player while the player base is small. Finding online matches takes too long. And single player missions with story would definitely be better than just single player mission just to grind.

[@gamingislife8262]

@@apeblackberry3641 CO OP Campaign sounds like a good idea

[@apeblackberry3641]

@@gamingislife8262 I know that is a great idea , but if you go any KF2 related forums you will find a lot of hostile people who gonna witchunt you if you suggest things like this. Me and many of my friends tried to suggest a story campaign years ago , all that for called a retarded, idiot , and some even made death threats lmao. KF veterans are salty af and discredit any kind of new ideas that might even work. Look at VS mode for example , it's a fantastic and fun gamemode that had a lot of potential when first came out. Thanks for the vets shittalking about the new gamemode , literally no one playing it anymore. Crazy.

[@gamingislife8262]

@@apeblackberry3641 wow even the pros here are toxic, I didn't know lol. Still there should be no reason for them to be triggered. End of the day its a game, games are meant to be fun. Plus all they do is kill Zeds which gets old 😐. Granted I still play KF2 but I want new stuff added.

[@c0baltl1ghtn1ng]

I think the most expensive singular weapons in Planetside 2 come up to $8 USD, But those are the weapons that All factions can use. In 3 of those cases they are SMGs, which all minus one class can use, as well.

[@Khoros-Mythos]

Insanely priced DLC was the last straw for me. Let 'em rot.

[@TheNeXusCore9032]

And the amount of shills that defended it. Let them eat cake.

[@M.S.G.95]

Jordan Montgomery Yeah it is but charging for guns/weapons is completely and utterly retarded, they should have added them on as a free update because the weapons at high level are boring as fuck. All I see are Deagle spamming gunslingers.

[@davecrupel2817]

Agreed about the higher difficulty issue. In my 3/4 years of KF2, i have only ever won *1* HoE game. And that's because i was with a team of 6 friends, we all had mics, we chose the Prison map so we could set up in thr guard tower, and we all carefully coordinated our 300 Spartan chokepoint defense. And we BARRELY won the boss fight (KFP)

[@purple_1884]

Not dead but certainly for a life support for a year now. And looking how quickly Rising Storm 2 was 'killed off'... I'm far from being optimistic about KF2

[@phantomsea8987]

Yeah, I totally agree with the Skill Tree and weapon upgrades. As a Demo player why can't I have the ability to play a button press nuker C4 build?? :

[@diirtytriip]

ugh yes, the whole c4 utilization circuit (to say it in some way lol) it's really annoying :(

[@No-vq1iv]

Sounds like neither this game nor Payday 2 should've been maintained for so long.

[@jtktomb8598]

yep

[@toshinokyouko4503]

at least payday 2 dlc price tags are fair though

[@manuelespinoza6794]

Toshino Kyouko and the dlc’s offer much more

[@No-vq1iv]

Yeah... Completely Overkill Pack says otherwise...

[@zxcvbn172]

I have 1000hrs+ in KF2 I’m just sad that there’s less HoE servers that give me less than 90 ping

[@mastergame1311]

I've recently hit 200 hours in KF2 and I still love to play the game. Despite its issues casual solo matches are still a blast for me, mostly due to the feeling and diversity of each weapon. I get it why people are upset, though. If I were to play the game for a few dozen hours more, I would be saying the same. That the balance is rubbish on higher difficulty levels and with bigger groups, that not all the perks are even viable, that the game's microtransactions are unfriendly to the players. I hope the devs are going to address some (if not all) of the issues, for I want to see the game grow and become even more enjoyable. Of course, the video is great as always. I hope that even if the game won't improve, you will.

[@-IAmTheSenate]

Every perk is viable but some are weaker than others

[@TARINunit9]

Regarding the Abomination: the only way I've found to make him interesting is to pretend that Krampus is the real canonical boss, and that Abomination is the alternate seasonal skin. After all, to my knowledge the boss in question was added in a Christmas update, meaning that Krampus was in game before Abomination was. I know that was rambling and fiddly, but it just proves the point that Abomination is not interesting; at least Krampus has some lore to him and a sick helmet

[@DrArku]

Apparently there's so little players now, but whenever there's an event, I just can't find a game with my friends which logically should mean that there's no servers with open spots.

[@SegaMario]

Just gonna offer my counterpoints/arguments against certain things mentioned in this video. I am still with those who think the game's in a bad state and being on its last legs, mind you. 1. I'm sick of people calling the HRG Weapons "reskins". The definition of a reskin is something whether with an altered texture or model that functions exactly the same as the weapon it is based on, like those promo weapons in TF2 which functional 100% identical to their stock counterparts. The HRG weapons, while they used modified existing models, function completely differently. So they're still completely new weapons overall, despite using existing models. I will say that this confusion is nowhere near as frustrating as those who refer to video games remakes as remasters instead because of how bloody uneducated Activision is when they kickstarted the remake mainstream trend with the Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy and referred to that as a remaster when it was clearly a remake. 2. E.D.A.R.s, while admittedly unlike any enemy in KF2, don't seem that out of place to me. This is a franchise about casual cloning and has things like space stations, plasma rifles and a woman who mutated herself while in her mech suit to become a massive cyborg abomination. If all that wacky stuff can exist, then robot enemies wouldn't feel out of place either. Don't forget that since the *ORIGINAL KILLING FLOOR,* we've had D.A.R. 3. King Fleshpound is *FAR* more lazily made compared to Abomination. Abomination has more new attacks and new voice lines. King Fleshpound just uses a lower-pitched Fleshpound voice because "Grrr, I'm big". The only new attack King Fleshpound has is the chest laser - the spinning attack doesn't count since PvP Fleshpounds can use that move. Abomination meanwhile can inhale, fart constantly and of course shit out minions

[@logmover123]

I agree, the Rioters have never been a bother to me, I've always enjoyed the extra rack 'em ups. The E.D.A.R.S are a challenge, sure they can be annoying but are generally easily to avoid.

[@SegaMario]

@@logmover123 Yeah, the E.D.A.R.s help fill in the gap of ranged enemy variety which was sorely lacking. Rioters are sometimes a bother for me, but the E.D.A.R.s were always interesting to fight in my opinion. I feel they would be a little better received if they were as simple to kill as your average medium Zed like a Husk or Siren. I wish that the Elite Alpha Clot was brought back so it could coexist with the Rioter, who is literally just it but with armour.

[@peinedepeinar21]

the HRG its ok but cmon dude,its the same fucking model with blue light,i want new weapons to use and play with it,oh i forgot now they´re paid weapons

[@RTB3550]

"HRG weapons are not reskins" yea... sure...

[@eren7kruger129]

Since they work differently they are not reskins, no matter how you look at it. Still I would expect to see 3 weapon variants in one update at least, not just 1, expecially with a paid weapon

[@mr.stuntington2163]

Add more zeds! I remember when they added the guy with 2 blades on his arms I was pumped. Add more bosses as well! Balancing is always beautiful. I havent played in about 6 months I want to come back!

[@d3thegod478]

Honestly, the only things i wanted for them to add is additional series of vault crates, and not shove 50 billion items into one set of crates, making it impossible to get what you want, and the ability to earn keys through normal play in the same way you can earn crates. I wouldn't even mind if they were rare drops, just put them in. Annd remove that stupid ass cooldown restricting how many items you can get. I shouldn't have to wait four hours for every item drop, only for it to be a woodland aa12 camo. Also, a custom map browser on console would be nice, gives the game some more variety.

[@Jojje4567]

TW’s been giving the impression they’re rather shortsighted when it comes to adding stuff and changing values for the game.

[@Carpatouille]

They are, otherwise they wouldn't make such retarded and lazy decisions

[@DarkFunk1337]

I agree with most points, especially with regards to broken perks. I hope TripWire sees this or becomes aware of the community's concerns!

[@mannimejia4189]

Honestly I feel like the game lost me when it stop feeling like a horror survival arcade game.

[@takoshihitsamaru4675]

KF 1 was incredible, I had so much fun with that game in my late teens, even when it ran like dogshit. KF2 looked so promising, the animations, the detail, the weapons and gore effects, but then it releases and it's got hardly any of the promised features on top of also being so damn reliant on mtx scummery. So bloody disappointing.

[@LateNightHalo]

Killing Floor 2 has been a very disappointing game as someone who absolutely loved the first game

[@PantsMasterPlays]

It's kinda the opposite for me. I never cared much for KF1, but the more cheesy b-horror arcadey tone makes me enjoy this one a lot more.

[@Ayzahaur]

I like both...

[@tomhuckky4462]

late night bitching

[@elephantt2077]

I would be happy if they focused more on adding new free weapons(provided that they are not HRG reskins). Variety in weapon choices may partially help in mitigating perk balance issues

[@Doctor_Nu]

I don’t think I’ve even launched the game since the dlc weapons announcement, just left such a poor taste in my mouth

[@zorakandbrac]

good riddance, cheap ass

[@peacefulness8450]

zorakandbrac go ahead and keep playing till it’s completely dead 😂🖐

[@kakolykia]

but DLC weapons were in original KF as well

[@theafflictionvhs17]

@kakolykia And ? For two years we got updates with all content for free. Now Tripwire is finding new ways to nickel and dime these updates more and more, I wouldn’t be surprised if one day Tripwire begin to lock new maps behind paywalls.

[@tangilahmed6706]

The game lags so much on ps4 and sometimes i cant even choose my cosmetics and other items because there is a message that appears saying inventory populating. "Host connection lost" is another common problem in this game so these type of bugs needed to be fixed first.

[@dauntlesspk8807]

I JUST started playing this last week. I think its sweet! Haven't noticed the $10 guns yet though.. that's kind of lame to have to pay more to play the entire game.

[@Ctrybpkm]

Something that can possibly breath new life into the game would be to allow cross play between platforms and to go along with this port the game to the Switch. And then of course and new maps and weapons along with bug fixes

[@CBRN-115]

This is one of my only 4 games I play and it breaks my heart to see it dying This game has the most satisfying gunplay and a killer soundtrack. I love killing zeds so much. Please don't die on me man. Don't kill the game devs

[@wizard_of_odds2491]

Its not dying idk who or where you got this from...

[@xxprototypexx5056]

The seasonal updates aren't even keeping me on anymore, especially now that i found out you get the weapon skin reward even if you haven't done any of the seasonal objectives. I skipped th entirety of yuletide horror and when i logged on a week after the event, I still got the skin anyway.

[@TheNeXusCore9032]

I lost interest in the game even before the introduction of the DLC weapons. The gameplay became repetitive and it just wasn't as fun as it used to be. Then, when Tripwire introduced the overpriced DLC weapons, it just told me to stay away from the game and I haven't looked back since.

[@Ghaz013]

Day 1 KF2 release guy here, love the series, one of the best feeling FPSs around but Ive gotten to the point I can only play on HOE and finding matches can be a bit tough nowadays.

[@qerkoo2753]

Here is my ENTIRE opinion on this game. Here goes: I started playing around 2017, because the game was free on PS Plus. I think April/May. I only played when there was that weird and creepy circus event thing, where they were all clowns, and as a 12 year old... I stopped playing because it made me feel sick. I didn’t even know there was a Gore slider in the settings. I recently returned 3 days ago. I have much to learn, but I play on PS4, and play Sharp/Commando, but I only play commando when there isn’t one. Because a whole team revolves around one, if you are holding a choke point. I know the basics, I did the tutorial, I’m not a heathen, anddd... yeah. To address the idea that the game is dying: I don’t think it is. I may be in denial because I love this game again already, but I can tell when a game is dying. And when you find matches in England, in the first 5 seconds of searching for a 10 Wave Survival on Hard, I assure you, the game isn’t dying. Quarantine is going on and the game is more lively than ever. My country, in the gaming scene, is notoriously known for its screeching posh British kids that play fortnite with mummy’s credit card details drawn on their eyelids. Because of quarantine, I’m getting good, low ping servers, with a full team of capable people who aren’t children, and while the game is very money transaction based, people don’t wear anything of richness and only wear stuff from the 50 vault crates you randomly got when playing the game in 2020. I never played in a time where EDARS weren’t in the game, but I don’t mind em. They give more of a structure of lore to the game. Like, cloned zombies? Yeah, gotta have defensive robots that kill em if they escape. It wouldn’t be an apocalypse without angry hay-wired robots. The guns seem fine. The game needs more heavy metal music when killing demons.. I mean Zeds. This game feels like doom, headshots feel and sound amazing, but we need more heavy metal. I recently played a HOE match at 1:00 PM on a weekday. And I found a match just as quickly as I found a match of Normal. It was a 10 wave too. I saw a capable Firebug and a decent team player Medic. I played Sharp because I wasn’t a very high level on anything else. And that was it. We defeated the Patriarch without him even healing once. The whole thing took ten minutes, on Biolapse, and I didn’t die once, because everything was being held behind welded doors or the Zerk on our team with a Zwei and a Nailgun. This game is fun. I don’t see it dying any time soon, not until 3 months after quarantine. Thanks for reading.

[@therealchromify]

I've prestiged all the classes 5 times, and I admit I really enjoy popping heads especially as sharpshooter or use the double barrel on support. Perhaps they should release a classic maps with classic game modes? Like the circus or the farmhouse.

[@DarrenHoussein]

Imagine KF3 releasing next year...

[@Khichira2012]

I feel like this video explained the topic really well, lets all hope that tripwire move in the right direction =)

[@brownbricks5188]

Ever since they added the 10$ DLC weapons I uninstalled and went to Deep Rock Galactic and I haven't looked back

[@armandoschneider3328]

4 YEARS OF CONTENT !!! What else you want ????

[@kz11377]

When KF2 was announced I was ecstatic because - foolishly - I believed it would be a KF1 with better graphics. I was disappointed to find that it has lost all of its quirky character with its unique grindhouse aesthetic only to become a mainstream run of the mill shooter. KF1 was a cult hit first and a commercial success second, whereas KF2 was designed from the onset to appeal to the wider audience, but by sacrificing character. Add to that the most annoying thing (to me) which is the artificial difficulty, and you get a complete (yet bugged) product devoid its core essence. This makes it... meh in the satisfaction scale.So is KF2 dying? No, but it is comatose... No wonder KF1 had won a few awards in it's time, but KF2 almost none.

[@zombiecat7777]

I agree with you, i liked kf1 more than kf2 because i think kf1 is harder than kf2 and kf1 has a horror the atmosphere (probably because its harder). I bought kf2 directly when i heard from it and i liked it but for the first years, but it was always the same and gets boring with the time. I would still play kf1 to this day but there are always emtpy server :(

[@TheOneMagpie]

The fact they literally never brought back the ZXC quick-chat just because they couldn't be arsed separating it from the console version was such a shameful insult. Which is ironic because there's also no 'insult players' option anymore.

[@jeffaymorello8267]

@@zombiecat7777 fucker they dont support the server of kf1 i tried to inv my friend and we cant even play with each other, it's really annoying

[@josephrobinson6171]

Magpiestripe The fucking wheel is so clunky and awful to use with a mouse. Wish they went with the Smite VGS-like system they had in the first game

[@revolrz22]

It literally IS KF1 with better graphics. I keep seeing this stuff about how "KF1 was more about strategy" and "KF1 had more horror elements." No it wasn't, and no it didn't. In both games, you can either camp or run and gun. Camping is boring and hardly a tactical master-stroke. It's also in no way a 'horror game,' and has no survival elements to it. Just like KF2, you kill a wave of enemies until a store opens up and you spend your cash to buy a new gun. About the only non-graphical thing that's changed in KF2 is that the Zeds don't walk in single file with perfectly in-sync animations, any more. Really, that's the crux of the issue. My friends frequently say that they find the new animations to be """artificial difficulty""" because it makes head shots harder. How fucking pathetic can you get?

[@PapaJoJ]

adding 10 dollar reskin weapon dlc did it for me, especially since they said at the very beginning they weren't going to make us pay for weapons. Don't say one thing, and then do the other Tripwire...

[@VoidySan]

I kind of always thought this game has been rather dead. I still really enjoy it, but i really really wish WEAPONS weren't behind a paywall. Cosmetics being purchasable doesn't bother me, but I want to be able to use guns.

[@Irish1Eric]

I just picked this up maybe two weeks ago. Haven't put it down since. It does take a bit ro fund a game on Xbox, I hope this lives a bit longer. I really love this one. I have watched a lor of your content, subbed, and the videos have helped. Be safe all, happy hunting.

[@bruh-_-7475]

I agree the game is dying I can't even find a match on ps4 every time I do quick match it shows an error I choose at different difficulty, a different mode, and a different region and I still can't find a single match

[@MFChickenFlipper]

There were issues with the servers as a whole for awhile. I just played this week and matched up with people just fine. I have noticed less and less people playing; it's not dead, but it's getting there.

[@bruh-_-7475]

@@MFChickenFlipper yeah like a week before perilous plunder the servers were better then when perilous came out more people were playing and the servers were good and yeah it's dying but I'm gonna play until it does die

[@MFChickenFlipper]

@@bruh-_-7475 same here. With all its faults, I still find myself playing it alot. The actual gameplay and movement are beyond fun. If TW tweak some things here and there and add some more content, they'll easily have a masterpiece.

[@StayHydratedGaming]

3:10 I feel this pain in my soul

[@astronot6231]

I was thinking almost the same thing when it comes to this video. The game feels lazy at times. I have no problem with Tripwire/Sable adding well-made community maps to the rotation, It gives us the chance to see just how creative people can be. When it came to the more recent Halloween update 2019, I was rather disappointed the new map was not bad but there was no Halloween music which is a minor thing to complain about but still. Then in the Christmas update 2019 the was not even Christmas themed nor did it feel like Christmas when the update came out. And now with the Spring update 2020 again they went with a community map which again is not bad but I fear they rely on that too much when it comes to adding maps to the game. I fear they are losing creativity or just have a lack of drive to create new ideas. I am well aware of how short the time period in between each update but I think when you start to rely on the community for maps more often than not it makes you look lazy Now for the weapons. The new HRG weapons while some are cool ideas others are stuff we did not ask for or would just never use in reality when other weapons do a much better job. When it comes to the DLC weapons, I have not dropped money on them yet however, I would feel more inclined to purchase the weapons if they came in a pack with more weapons. I know they do come bundled but there is no way I am paying 15 dollars for 2 weapons. Much like in killing floor one I believe they had a 4 pack for only 10 dollars. If they were to do that I would be more inclined to purchase new weapons because I would feel I am getting my money's worth. New Zed's: As for the Riot Zed and the EDAR I really do not have a problem with them. Yes, it is a little weird seeing a zed with iron or steel plates thrown onto him and they could have given him more believable armor. As for the EDAR's I think it works well since they were made by Horzine more specifically Rachel Clamley it would only be fitting to see more of Horzine's creations coming after our heroes. When it comes to cosmetics and weapon skins there will always be a market for that every game now needs some sort of market whether you like it or not its how they will stay in business. Fixes? If they want to continue the path of the HRG weapons then so be it or do away with them. Should they do away with them then I would fully support them if they made around 4 new weapons per update and put a decent price tag on them. Still bring community maps into the game but do not always be so reliant on them when it comes to content updates. When a new update comes out don't allow people to make progress. What I mean is when a new seasonal update comes out you get a list of tasks to take care of and when that is done you get a seasonal reward. Why are we able to make progress on these in the beta. If I really want it done I could take all 5 out in the better half of an afternoon. If people do this and get the item there really is no reason to play the new stuff when you did all you could do. lastly, add new weekly objectives.

[@senioritaescalanta8476]

You still can find 6 player lobby on endless cube on hell on earth Till these servers are not dead game is in its glory for me

[@forrestkeller1]

Should check out a group of servers I've been working on that fixes most issues with KF2 and adds loads of new things from gamemodes to general gameplay such as Boss Rush, King of the Hill and True Endless. It's probably not much but it's the best I can do to atleast bring life back into the game (On my phone so can't provide links but if interested I'm around on the KF2 Discord)

[@Winchester7734]

i have over 600 hours ingame, been playing since 2015. honestly im fine with the game dying. its been out for years and has run its course. so many new great games out. no sense trying to lifesupport everything.

[@artstar5994]

What great games? There maybe alot of new games,but not alot of great games.

[@EE-wi2zw]

As an outsider to the community, it definitely feels like it is declining fast to me, I got my first three characters to level 10, then they announced that there would be 10$ weapons, and I jumped ship, that seemed like a desperate attempt at making some money before they gave up on the game

[@arforafro5523]

There's a trillion ideas that have been given by the community regarding many topics, but honestly as a first step: do something about the albinos and EDARs, absolutely nobody who plays beyond Hard likes them on their current state. Gorefiends are probably the only albino worth keeping around as is, Alpha Clots were perfectly fine and I got no idea why they decided to turn them into the Rioter which nobody likes and amlbino crawlers need a serious rework to their cloud mechanic or replacing it with something else completely different. As for EDARs they sucked ass the moment they showed up, considering we already got the Matriarch added into the game (who I also hate but justify as her being a boss) they should be removed from normal waves and added as units exclusive to the matriarch encounter and just let them do their thing on the Matriarch fight without ruining the other 10 waves. I would go on and on about weapons and perks but honestly reworking the albino and EDAR units would be enough to get me playing outside of CD precisely to remove those annoyances, they can work on the weapons and the upgrade system later, and I dont care about cosmetics enough for that to stop me from playing should they fix the units.

[@abc-ze2es]

What do you mean you don't like shooting a ZED 10 times in the leg or don't be able to see jack shit because someone pointed a flashlight at the Crawler and he moved his head away?

[@Aangusfrag]

Such a relief when you said that it's still not dying. xd I think what would be nice that there would be a new perk. Because i saw there is a perk's icon on kf2 steam profile background that's haven't been used. Idk maybe I want too much but that's just my opinion.

[@BROLY_32]

It died around a year ago for me, maybe slightly more. I'm all about DRG now. I have good memories with KF2, can't take that away from me. But the game is shit now, not worth playing anymore.

[@Kirklegacy]

Same thing for me. I moved to DRG. No monetisation scam.

[@TheNeXusCore9032]

Yeah, I'm glad I moved on to other games. I did enjoy my time with KF2 but it was time for me to move on. The developers have only caused the ship to sink further with the DLC weapons.

[@kamik1ng]

I find it interesting this topic, since most of the weapon skins are decreasing in price quite quickly for a while now.

[@PauloVitorHMK]

It feels somewhat weird when you tone down your professional tone and say things like yep or suddenly putting memes on the screen. If anything, it makes all the more hilarious.

[@jtktomb8598]

I wish they added less filler content or stopped updates all together, great video

[@Sullenify]

How can anyone get excited for the future of KF2 when updates keep coming out underwhelming, broken, with overpriced DLC, and with changes that keep pushing the game in the wrong direction? Tripwire need to take a good hard look at the game and it's meta, actually communicate with the community, take feedback, and produce updates with effort that actually better the gameplay, design, and feel of the game. Either that, or they need to just stop adding to the game if they have no vision or sense of where to take the game anymore, and just let the community have more access to avenues of modding. Because right now, if they keep going the way they're going, this game is just gonna die.

[@CarbyDood]

Hmmmm, I think I can understand all the points you made. I just got the game because I liked what I played from the free weekend on steam, and I don't see myself getting bored soon. I do hope they make changes that benefit hard core players so that everyone is happy in end. Love your vids, keep it up, my dood!

[@Leetfaction]

As someone who started in 2015 and quit in 2019, here are my reasons why the game is dying: 1. The devs aren't taking bug fixes, quality of life features, rebalancing and the zedconomy seriously. 2. They've made plenty of terrible decisions throughout the game's life that have only made it worse and less enjoyable overall. I won't go into detail because I'll be here all day otherwise. 3. The quality of updates has gone downhill drastically. Overpriced DLC, recycled maps & weapons, powercreep and a tsunami of ugly cosmetics that further bloat the game.

[@Prodigial]

It's crazy how the more they add to the game, the worse the experience has gotten. I feel like the first few months of the beta up until the first Summer Sideshow were the glory days. Power creep, pointless systems, imbalance, and unfun mechanics all started creeping their way in.

[@redseagaming7832]

I recently got the Platinum for Killing Floor 2 it wasn't easy I had to actually look far and wide into PlayStation communities found some players to help beat it on hell on earth on survival

[@TramvayValera]

you can hear him almost screaming through the whole video comparing to other videos (well, good job on controlling yourself :thumbsup:)

[@asfzg2870]

I stopped playing around the time of this video's release after playing since April 2017, but I've come back either for nostalgic purposes or ready after a year and a half break.

[@xxprototypexx5056]

Ill play kf2 again when they fix the fire sprites on zeds. It literally looks like the zed is being burned by nothing and because of this, it's now difficult to tell whether or not my firebug is even burning them. Some of the changes they made i absolutely hate, like the rioter no longer getting decapitated by a headshot from a magnum(It still kills them in 1 shot, but the head no longer gets blown off). Why!? Why would they change that? The decapitation made taking them down satisfying, now, it actually looks like im popping a cops helmet in payday, and this game should never feel like payday. It's like the devs took a few steps forward a year ago, and now it feels like they've taken 20 steps back with the cheap hrg reskins, the absurd $10 weapons(no virtual item should even be that much btw), the copy/paste objective mode(which isn't even capable of being considered a campaign), and now these visual glitches and changes have just straight up made the game unsatisfying to play.

[@Aric_EPU]

I was on a week ago and it had like 11k on Steam. That was late at night too.

[@seeker_rodan3113]

I just started playing killing floor 2, hella enjoy it

[@ternsenzen]

because the game itself is fun, but it was even better around mid-late 2017, hell even around 2018 it was still amazing, but they really started to go downhill with their paid weapons and unnecesary enemies, unnecesary weapon "upgrades" and extra enemies that just ruined the classic feel of the game. still a great game and i hope you really love maxing every class to lvl 25 which is the best part of the game, i still like the game, is just that the new updates made all veterans leave.

[@imthemaster57]

@@ternsenzen I never played kf2 but compared to kf1 (which i still play to this day), fails in comparision. It's looks easy and very repetative - great for casual players not so much for competative

[@ternsenzen]

@@imthemaster57 i also played a lot of kf1 back in the day, i just found the out of sync hitboxes really frustating and how tripware never fixed them, otherwise great game and i prefer it over the second. kf2 best moment/peak moment was around late 2018 when they added new weapons(for free, before all this dlc bullsht) and the christmass event, everything after that was downhill, its a shame because shooting was so great and enemies were fine and that new boss was interesting krampus/abomination at the start. when they added edars,shit weapon balance, weapon "upgrades", dlc characters & weapons it started to go downhill. i know kf1 had a lot of dlc shit but they were "alright" and you could skip them as they were weak except for the saw throwing weapon for zerks, plus they respected the base game til the last update so no shit enemies aditions, i wish they fixed the hitboxes.

[@KennyzKilla]

just got the game from summer sale. i wish they would add a tab showing all of the weapons, other than that i'm having a blast and hope this year's summer sale brings new motivation for Tripwire. i'm certainly looking forward to any updates they'd release now

[@TheSAWR]

Or it's time for KF3?

[@elephantt2077]

Sounds great, but I am concerned that it might become half-baked considering that TW is struggling with keeping even a single game up-to-date right now

[@StarchieHalo]

Nope

[@no_idea8012]

Totally unnecessary.

[@RebelFNOS]

Not for a long while

[@user-s9eu8ce9fw]

They're gonna have a hard time with the sales from how much they've fucked over the veteran players in both KF1 and KF2 now.

[@gamerguy425]

I just want objective mode back so hard if they haven't done that. They ones they had were in KF2 were such a nice spice off regular gameplay and allowed for expanding the main story or creating entertaining side stories, REALLY I take for granted how wonderful subway is.

[@MistarZtv]

ten dollars for a weapon, that you still need to pay for in game. XD like what