Is Lying Always Wrong? | Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P.

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About the speaker: Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P. (Thomistic Institute) from Pennsylvania, graduated from Franciscan University of Steubenville. He previously served as the Assistant Director of Campus Outreach for the Thomistic Institute in Washington, DC, and associate pastor of St. Louis Bertrand Catholic Church in Louisville, KY where he also taught at Bellarmine University. He currently serves as an adjunct professor of dogmatic theology at the Dominican House of Studies and an Assistant Director of the Thomistic Institute. He is a contributor on the Pints with Aquinas show and a co-host of the Catholic Classics podcast.
Fr. Gregory is the author of Prudence: Choose Confidently, Live Boldly (Our Sunday Visitor, 2022) and co-author with Matt Fradd of Marian Consecration With Aquinas: A Nine Day Path for Growing Closer to the Mother of God (TAN Books, 2020).
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[@connorcreegan]

What the source on the Newman quote at the end?

[@bsz]

However, it should be remembered that during World War II, some of the countries occupied by Germany had their legitimate governments in exile, which continued to wage war sometimes with large armed forces. Therefore, it seems to me that the citizens of these countries had the right to deceive the enemy with whom their legitimate government was still fighting. They also had the right to use deception against a state with which they are at war to save their fellow citizens.

[@b-a-boon]

explain this comment sibling?

[@anthonyw2931]

There are no dilemma in whether or not to protect people from dying when it comes to the pandemic. At the time, everyone was vulnerable. It is likened to walking off a cliff and trusting God will save you…or if you die, you die in faith. Wouldn’t it be a sin, as well, if you were not sure you were sick and go to Church anyways but end up infecting others?

[@xaviervelascosuarez]

In the example of the Gestapo officer, couldn't it be a case of conflicting duties? I understand that there's an implicit moral obligation to protect one's guests, like Lot in Sodom... I never quite understood the example, because wouldn't the Gestapo officer order a house search regardless? But it occurred to me that there could also be a case where the house owner senses the possibility of a "lukewarm" officer. Only an officer less than willing to do his job would ask if they are hiding Jews, and be fishing for an easy way out, to save face vis a vis his subordinates... In such a situation, wouldn't the moral obligation to protect his guests trump the moral obligation to tell the truth? Wouldn't the old Jesuit trick of "mental reservation" be a way out even of venial sin in this situation? On the contrary, I believe that the obfuscation of the truth in this case would be a virtuous deed, like Herod wouldn't have been only not failing to keep his word, but rather saving a life, if he had refused to grant Salome's wish.

[@b-a-boon]

explain this confusion comrade

[@xaviervelascosuarez]

@@b-a-boon it's a case when you must choose the lesser evil out of two, or a conflict of moral obligations, like the case of Herod confronted with a choice between the moral obligation of honoring your oath or the moral obligation of not killing John the Baptist. In the Gestapo officer case, there is an obligation to tell the truth that conflicts with the obligation of honoring the implicit promise of not doing anything that harms the guests.

[@b-a-boon]

powerful@@xaviervelascosuarez

[@bsz]

Well, and Augustine did not have a good intuition when it came to the Immaculate Conception

[@b-a-boon]

very very foolish comment,,,repent

[@bsz]

​​@@b-a-boonAny arguments ? I have grate reaspekt for Augustine but he is not infallible

[@b-a-boon]

@@bsz well it is you that make it about person and not about argument,,,the baboon is wrong about much,,,but is correct Jesus is lord,,,consider

[@bsz]

@@b-a-boonFather Pine said that we should trust intuition of the saints so it was also argument about person

[@b-a-boon]

@@bsz Father Pine is a man of Jesus,,,but he is not Pope of Rome,,,we can make judgments,,,yes,,,freedom my comrade