Is Masturbation A Sin?

[@truecounterphobia2418]

I've struggled with this in the past. But by God's grace, I have been able to get to the point where I feel confident I can say "No" to myself.

[@jojersey4081]

We all struggle or have struggled with this!

[@pokerman9108]

LMAO omg pure comedy. You people are loons.

[@6.0hhh]

@@pokerman9108 And you're enslaved to sin. You must mock these people because you lack self control.

[@poncianfernandes5483]

@@6.0hhh absolutely right

[@geyienhk]

@@6.0hhh There is no such thing as sin, except in your imagination.

[@pdxnikki1]

When Jesus saved me my husband left. It's not an easy situation so I greatly appreciate this topic!

[@digitalwilderness3633]

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[@jameshenrysmith8426]

If God's Israelite Tabernacle building was rebuilt and you were in there then maybe in Old Testament rules it would be. But not otherwise.

[@caroliner2029]

Self control is a believer's super power.

[@jameshenrysmith8426]

If God's Israelite Tabernacle building was rebuilt and you were in there then maybe in Old Testament rules it would be. But not otherwise.

[@josephscala6707]

Is masturbation a sin? Only if you don't come.

[@patricj951]

Still our self control is limited. And apostle Paul did not condemn people for their lack of self control. He adviced to marry. So if you have total self control(no need of masturbation) you don't need to marry.

[@MrMaximeloni]

Super power sounds like a skill you can learn and master to act on by will. I would rather say Self control is a graceful gift from god, which is everday to be received and can only be experienced in an close relationship to god.

[@giuseppemariocescutti-fitz5835]

BULLSHIT! Hormones were given to us so that we would procreate! Without hormones the human race would die out. So why give us the hormones and then tell us not to act on the desire. Its such bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Guilt is more damaging than having a wank! And all elders of the church and all churches, need to lead by example. When they stop wanking then maybe i will.

[@ebsss100]

Thank you for having the comment section open

[@randomcrap4598]

He deleted my comment it's a controlled comment section

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

@@randomcrap4598 KZbin often deletes my comments if I use words that they ban. You may have used words that KZbin censors.

[@mackenziedonahue6165]

Well said! I think making blanket statements of "It's sinful and that's just the way it is!" (which i've heard before) is hard to back up scripturally. I think it's a lot more nuanced than that. I think theoretically masturbation free from lust could very well be not sinful. Personally, I have found that it is addictive, and also tends to corrupt my mind and how I view people around me. It tends to ignite a lustful fire, not quench one. Even if it's not sinful, I think we should all strive to abstain from sexual activities until we're within the scenario that God designed sex for.

[@MatthewFearnley]

“It tends to ignite a lustful fire, not quench one.” Thanks, I think that’s a really helpful way of thinking about it. I’d not considered it that way specifically before, but it seems obvious when I hear you say it. Grace be with you.

[@luxstar2476]

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[@MatthewFearnley]

@@luxstar2476 thanks for the link, but why do you think I should watch it? I don’t generally watch videos from unsolicited links for no reason.

[@jameshenrysmith8426]

If God's Israelite Tabernacle building was rebuilt and you were in there then maybe in Old Testament rules it would be. But not otherwise.

[@Grokford]

"I think theoretically masturbation free from lust could very well be not sinful." Neither lust nor masturbation are sins. "Personally, I have found that it is addictive," Not medically speaking, every tested example is a placebo. "and also tends to corrupt my mind and how I view people around me." How so? " It tends to ignite a lustful fire, not quench one." No, that's just being a person. Lust is a morally neutral human desire, like thirst or hunger. You might be more hungry after eating but you're not going to stop being hungry if you never eat. Some desires and needs are just recurring. "Even if it's not sinful, I think we should all strive to abstain from sexual activities until we're within the scenario that God designed sex for." There is not such thing, or at least not in any clearly delineated way. Contrary to popular conception, the Bible never prohibits pre-marital sex or establishes a zone for acceptable sexuality.

[@brandonloschiavo8651]

Dr. Sean, I will have to disagree with your conclusion on this one. The scriptures are clear on sexual boundaries in both the OT & NT, yet never once is the issue of masturbation brought up and deemed sinful. I lead middle school boys in our youth ministry and this topic comes up from time to time. I advise them on what scripture says - lust is sinful (as you mentioned) and so is any sexual activity (mental or physical) involving someone other than an opposite sex spouse. I believe calling masturbation a sin is adding to the scripture. Now, you bring up a good point about addictive behavior - however this principle should apply to many things a believer is at risk of being enslaved to, from eating sugary food, watching TV, time on social media, etc - yet none of these things are sinful in and of themselves. I would add that non-lustful masturbation would fall in this camp as well. I absolutely agree that the design and intention of sexual desire was to be given to a spouse, but God has, I believe, permitted non-ideal things as a result of the reality of His ideal, vs our reality in a fallen world. For example, many Christians believe that eating meat is a result of the fall, yet God permits it. Hopefully that makes sense. Regardless, God bless you bro!!! Thanks for all you do!

[@PC-vg8vn]

One could argue being 'enslaved' to anything is sinful. I think we evangelicals think of sin as simply breaking a law, or 'doing the wrong thing', when it's probably more akin to a force, coercing us into going against God. I would also question if there really is such a thing as 'non-lustful' masturbation. But the question remains - is a single Christian, whether straight or gay, expected not only to be celibate, ie no sex with another, but also no sexual functioning at all? It's very easy for those who are married to pronounce 'sin' on others.

[@jesussaves7938]

I am so glad, and pray the Lord blesses you with His truth, that you may continue to supply it to those you minister to! Excellent points about God's mercy and permissiveness, also Jesus said if someone marries the divorced it's adultery, but Paul says if believers are divorced by their spouses they aren't under bondage. -Not that they contradict one another, but God may allow a number of things, since the world done broke!

[@jesussaves7938]

@@PC-vg8vn I would agree that most of the people I have seen say " -NO GENITAL INTERACTION TILL MARRAIGE!%@$& ", are people not only already married but who married young. 👀👀👀

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

"And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell." Matthew 5:30

[@highlightning6693]

@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness I think I understand what you're alluding to with that passage and "right hand", but we have to be careful about interpreting scripture through our own convictions or opinions. Is that, in fact, what our Lord was referring to by "right hand"?

[@sarahsays194]

The problem I have with this is I'm not going to automatically assume I'm going to get married. The thing with adultery is you have to be married in order to commit it. If someone masturbates just for the mechanics (am female but I know guys especially have non sexual random erections) I can't really find fault with it. I agree that porn isn't good, but there can be an argument made for non sexual intended release.

[@Plonk12]

I don't think we should be experiencing sexual pleasure outside of marriage at all even if it is "just for the mechanics"

[@Wade_Fucking_Wilson]

@christsavesreadromans10962 single people cannot possibly cheat

[@ElFenomeno-i2d]

thats like saying "lets have sex before marriage just to know how it feels"

[@ElFenomeno-i2d]

@@Plonk12 so true

[@sarahsays194]

@ElFenomeno-i2d I've since changed my stance on this. Crazy what 2 years can do.

[@zup9144]

Wow, in under 3 minutes you gave the most convincing and clear reason I've heard yet. Thank you

[@digitalwilderness3633]

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[@Grokford]

It's all made up.

[@negociosespanoles]

Pray for me, please. I struggle a lot with this issue and it seems that I cannot help it. Please, help me, brothers and sisters in Christ!

[@kdietz65]

I think Jesus' intent with discussing adultery in the Sermon is more metaphorical and to show people that none of them are perfect and they should be careful how they judge others. In a sense he's saying that since everyone commits mental adultery, that we shouldn't judge others too harshly who commit actual, physical adultery. His intent is to increase empathy among the audience, not to instill more guilt with even stricter rules than before. I've always taken this to mean Jesus is speaking to married men. I've always read that passage as "whoever looks on 'another' woman ...", meaning a married man who is engaging in sexual fantasy with someone other than their wife. Applying this thought process to single men would be rather strange; saying that lustful inclinations of a single man is wrong, that's rather strange. It's how the human species procreates. Also, the word "adultery" itself implies that at least one partner is married. Two unmarried people having sex is fornication, and someone that fornicates freely and frequently is promiscuous, but adultery is a word reserved for married people. I don't think a single man should be feeling guilty about acting out on their sex drive. I get a chuckle out of the verses that follow. Cut this body part off. Cut that body part off. Blah blah blah. I think I've gained enough wisdom in this world to say when it comes to acting out sexually, cuttin' off body parts ain't gonna solve the problem here. If I were addicted to pornography and lost my eye sight, no problem, I could still have plenty of sexual fantasy without the visual stimulation of porn. Cut off my hands and I'm pretty sure I could find a way to self stimulate without benefit of manual manipulation. Even removing my genitalia wouldn't do it - I could still engage in sexual fantasy even devoid of carnal equipment. It's all in the mind, which I think is Jesus' ultimate point here, and I don't think he's suggesting that we all self-lobotomize.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Very thoughtful comment!

[@pdxnikki1]

Interesting. Still, it's worth a shot at least, no? Or else why would we ever fast? Appetite for food is also instinctual, but our hunger for God must be cultivated to be greater.

[@johns6704]

I think a lot of people, myself included misinterpreted what Jesus was trying to drive home in the sermen on the mount. I don't think his point was "Cut off your arm and you can save yourself". I think there was a bit of sarcasm there. Jesus was teaching that he wasn't there to do away with the law but to fulfil it. He then goes on to point out that its not good enough to just fulfil the law. Cause anyone can attempt to do that. Fulfilling the law doesn't make you good. Loving your neighbors and your enemies and those you don't even know makes you the salt of the earth, the light of the world. He then goes onto to say you can't serve to masters.... And I think what he means is you can't both serve yourself and God. He goes on to point out how some pray in public and some give in public again serving themselves by doing it. I think what he is saying is that the law can't make you good. The law can't save you. And trying to save yourself leads you down the wrong path. A Godly life is about serving others and by doing that we serve God's purpose for us. You have to think about everything that is said there. Even in the case where Jesus says, "It is harder for a rich man to enter heaven than a camel through the eye of the needle". That man had come boasting saying he had kept all the laws. But Jesus pointed out that he wasn't perfect because he couldn't give up his wealth. He was attached to his wealth. Come back to the sermen on the mount and you see again that a person will lose their purpose by worrying about money matters. Don't worry about tomorrow he says.... How does all this apply to masterbation... I'd say you have to think about who might be hurt by it. Are you loving others... or are you hurthing them.

[@johns6704]

Keven I'd also add that of course you are 100% correct that he was talking to married men. Cause men and women basically got married as soon as they hit puberty back in those days. That is why all the talk is about adultery. Having to abstain from sex through years of being unmarried wasn't really a thing at all back then. So he was saying, "Hey its not good enough just to fulfill the letter of the law and not sleep with another married women. He was saying, to lover your neighbor and your wife, you have to respect them by not even entertaining the thought of adultery. I really believe Jesus was saying we have to do more than just try to save ourselves by keeping the laws but we have to actively love one another.

[@taylorherrera2867]

Sometimes I get an erection randomly with absolutely no sexual thoughts at all. when you practice semen retention it happens, no way around it. There are times my erection can last a long time and like I said with absolutely no sexual thoughts towards another human being, many times it happens when nobody is around me. It’s difficult to not let my body release when I have gone months without releasing semen and those erections can come up randomly when I’m at work or in public and I can’t just find a chair and sit down for 15 min because they can last a long time so it can be an embarrassing situation. Sometimes I need to go into the restroom and release especially if it’s been months. When it happens I don’t think sexual thoughts, I specifically focus on the release and just let my body do it’s thing…… many times when the subject of relieving yourself comes up many people automatically think porn or lust but for many of us it has nothing to do with either or.

[@bbblahoo7]

I agree folks automatically point it to lose of control doing it multiple times a day and watching porno or imagining things I experience pain Nd even heightened chances of sexual dream s and night emissions if I dont release after a long period of time. I'm not looking with "tickling ears"for the pastor to approve but I think its really circumstantial and should b dealt with self control just like drinking. It can easily become addicting, harmful and get u in trouble but some folks can have a drink on weekends without doing anything other than watching football then continue life as normal. I wish more pastors would address masturbation in light. God bless brother hope in Christ that we can continue fighting

[@michaelbedsole970]

It's your biology reminding you that purity culture is dumb.

[@sexcdoll]

everytime it comes on or that feeling happens pray hard about it every single time

[@angloaust1575]

It's a natural urge No easy answers Either one marries if one can find a Suitable partner or one suffers it Must be more things in life than sex GOD Money freedom clothes travel and other pursuits!

[@Margriet-D]

What I miss in almost every answer to the question about masturbation is that we are called to walk according to the spirit, not to the flesh. Masturbation is satisfying your flesh. and we are to crucify our flesh with its lusts.

[@jameshenrysmith8426]

If God's Israelite Tabernacle building was rebuilt and you were in there then maybe in Old Testament rules it would be. But not otherwise.

[@omnitone]

poor argument. so marital sex is satisfying to the flesh and somehow this isn't treated as sin like masturbation? there have been many pseudo christians of the past who would worship celibacy and of course, the "sex kills" ideology which is incredibly contrary with God, yet somehow is what secular people think of christians. you're going to have to make a definition of "lusts of flesh" because obviously not all sexual thinking is dangerous, so too say that a sexual desire (*that God made in us*) is instantly evil because it came from the body, isn't consistent with basic common sense or the bible.

[@bethr8756]

Eating dessert is also satisfying the flesh along with watching TV etc

[@omnitone]

@@bethr8756 inb4 someone quotes that verse in the new testament where either christ or paul (i forget who) tell the church not to worry about what they eat, just eat what's been provided ;-; idk if that even applies like that.

[@Grokford]

Darling, so is eating and breathing, so unless you plan to stop that then this argument is useless.

[@deniseadkins2901]

As a Christian, I was watching a video by Paul Washer about any type of Sexual immorality. God has decided that a celibate life is what's best for me and I only had the thought that doing it with someone else was the sin. Paul Washer made the video, of one of his sermons, and said all sexual immorality was like temple prostitution in the Holy of Holies. That took the want and the need away, Now I just think of that and am turned off immediately. I mean the Holy of Holies? Gross.

[@deniseadkins2901]

@James Henry Smith So you think masturbation is ok? Is that your meaning?

[@deniseadkins2901]

@James Henry Smith Scripture says it's not so which God did you speak to? The God of your own imagining or the one who told you that pandering to the flesh was ok? Was it the same God that I asked if I could rob a bank and he said yes? That it's ok?

[@deniseadkins2901]

@James Henry Smith God only speaks through Scripture. The Holy Spirit helps us discern. Clear texts makes complicated texts understandable. Sexual Immorality is anything sexual outside of a marriage bed. I don't have to ask God directly if something is a sin because it says so in Scripture. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

[@deniseadkins2901]

@James Henry Smith It has never said that sexual immorality is moral. Scripture is God breathed. The Holy Spirit told the men what to write and they wrote it with their own style. It comes straight from God. I assume that you think that being a homosexual is ok too? Or being Transgender? If you don't have a high view of Scripture, then how can you call anything a sin? You can't. Scripture is the standard of right and wrong. Scripture comes directly from the Creator of the Universe and He never disagrees with His own word.

[@deniseadkins2901]

@James Henry Smith Giv me one example of a contradiction. Please.

[@TDL-xg5nn]

Jesus in that passage is not saying lust is wrong. He saying lusting after a married woman is wrong. The passage is about adultery not lust.

[@bradysmith4405]

Plus lust was epithumeo, covetting to take, not just attraction

[@pobster88j94]

Well I’m same sex attracted. Since coming to Christianity, I am okay with no dating or seeking a partner. It’s not something I can change, and I have zero attraction to women. What about it that situation?

[@adriahrestituyo506]

That’s a great question ❤️ and you already seem to already have great self control, denying the fleshly desires and wanting to please God. Which is amazing!! since Jesus talks about lust, if you can masturbate without lusting after someone and can control it so it doesn’t become a habit, then go for it. That release can be important as to not sin since against God by having a partner. I know there are many Christians who believe that masturbation is a sin but i believe it’s because people can turn to porn or lusting after someone while doing it. praying for you as I know it’s not easy, but the Father’s love for you is more than you can imagine. He created you and sees you as a masterpiece. Thank you for choosing love Him and wanting to please Him ❤️

[@adiblatif]

I too struggle with SSA, and before I came to Christ last year, I’d have sex with multiple partners in a day, was also addicted to porn and masturbation. What has helped immensely is to read scripture in the morning as it helps me endure throughout the day. And also before going to bed. I’ve recognized my triggers which were namely: social media and television. After I successfully replaced these two things with loading up on the Word, I’ve seen drastic changes in my patterns and I no longer struggle as I used to. The more I soak up on God’s Word the less likely to think about sex. Try reading some 5 chapters before getting out of bed, quit social media (too sexualized these days) and also cut down on television (beautiful actors and actresses in often sexualized contexts). Try fasting. Remember, God wants you to lean on Him. Not on sin. This is the thorn in the flesh you must endure. Deny yourself. I am now three months abstinent from masturbation and over a year from porn or sex. God is faithful. God bless and cheers from Brazil.

[@Grokford]

Be Queer, be Christian, masturbate if you like. None of these things are mutuall exclusive.

[@Grokford]

@@adriahrestituyo506 " if you can masturbate without lusting" Lust isn't a sin. "can control it so it doesn’t become a habit" Habits are good, masturbation is healthy. "as to not sin since against God by having a partner." Having a partner is not a sin.

[@Grokford]

@@adiblatif "I too struggle with SSA" Why are you struggling with it? "and before I came to Christ last year, I’d have sex with multiple partners in a day," A little risky for infection but really not a major moral concern if you were doing your due diligence on the prevention front and you weren't manipulation of using anyone[non-consensually] "was also addicted to porn and masturbation." You may have liked them, but they're not addictions in the medical sense, though they can create a placebo addiction if you expect to become addicted. "I’ve recognized my triggers which were namely: social media and television. After I successfully replaced these two things with loading up on the Word," Bible study is great, but it's not necessarily a solution to not being able to interact with the world. "quit social media (too sexualized these days) and also cut down on television (beautiful actors and actresses in often sexualized contexts). " Are you just afraid of any attraction? Masturbation isn't a sin..

[@idahomodelshipbuilder]

It’s a struggle for some I’m single , no kids , established, great personality, many cool hobbies , age 42 , great looks ,and care yet , can’t find any Christian woman to date these days , having to deal with these urges and no possibility of finding a woman even Jacob in the Bible was married at 40 . I feel the path has been very long to every experience a single date with a woman period. I go to church often yet never found a woman to meet with ,At this point I believe its not a sin anymore since I’ve tried to make myself available to meet a woman.

[@LogosTheos]

You may not be able to find food but stealing food is wrong. Likewise not being able to find a woman does not justify masturbation.

[@user-cs8sq2ws4i]

There are gay christians that are celibate. Lucky you you still have possibility to marry and enjoy sex.

[@sirubisan698]

I feel you dude. Now im just worry if ill be destined for hell when an urge slips in and it's nothing porn or naked related. It's just looking at cute mlp characters (no nakedness, no hentai, no nasty stuff) but i value wanting to Gods kingdom. I acknowledge that Jesus died on the cross for our sins too ane i know im born of sin

[@johns6704]

God's grace is enough. It is better to make a positive impact than to worry about every failing. Better to look at certain things as a reason we need God. Because it is impossible to live perfectly.

[@TheGrayton2000]

@@sirubisan698 apple bloom ♥️

[@LackaJudgment]

I travel a lot for work and am rarely home. What if I think about my wife when I’m doing it?

[@leam3584]

Not sin if in marriage

[@TimCrinion]

Regarding the quote by Jesus, how can two unmarried people, even if they have sex in reality, not just their imagination, commit adultery? Why didn't he use the word fornication instead?

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

@TimCrinion it's cuase churchianity If u look back at the patristics they believed that sexual pleasure itself was disordered. Look at the qoutes there sick.

[@bob-pr8ye]

I use to have a horrible feeling creep into my soul when i would begin. It was very strong. If my wife has been on a trip it is very difficult not to..... Thinking of her while i do it. He does want us to be satisfied so we do not stray.. So tough !

[@mysticswalk3086]

I feel you're giving a mixed message. One the one hand you say masturbation in a committed marriage for release is okay with no pressure, but then you follow with it's not okay in a committed marriage because you're not sharing with your partner. Very mixed message.

[@stephenbrown9949]

"some Christians say it would be fine ... but here's my concern with that" 1:27

[@mysticswalk3086]

@@stephenbrown9949 I am not sure what you mean.

[@stephenbrown9949]

@@mysticswalk3086 it's not a mixed message. He gives you a Christian perspective that says it's ok in certain circumstances, and then he critiques that view. I think you misunderstood his presentation of the first view as his own opinion.

[@Grokford]

@@stephenbrown9949 True, but the message he presents is fundamentally broken.

[@stephenbrown9949]

@@Grokford "cultivate self-control" is a broken message?

[@georgheinrich5224]

English Bibles translate that passage wrong. It does not say "with lustful intent", it says "in order to covet". That is a reference to the tenth commandment. Not lust is required in order to covet. Masturbation gives the same physical benefits as sexual intercourse. This is particularly important for men as they are less likely to contract prostate cancer the more ejaculations they have. God has given us organs that have no other purpose than to give us lustful pleasure. And they are placed right where our hands can conveniently reach them. That is more than enough evidence from creation demonstrating that masturbation is well within God's intent for our bodies. There is nothing wrong with lust. It is a natural part of life.

[@jojersey4081]

This is a very touchy subject. You are definitely correct. We shouldn't rely on feelings to live but truth; also remembering when we feel something we are doing is wrong, that means it probably is.

[@lbeschrich]

That’s not exactly true. We are conditioned by society about what to believe. In China giving someone a package in white paper is seen as horrible. Touching yourself isn’t wrong and never has been. It hurts nobody not even yourself.

[@jojersey4081]

@@lbeschrich I agree that we disagree on this subject. And that's okay!

[@lbeschrich]

@@jojersey4081 yeah, but why do you disagree is the question?

[@jojersey4081]

@@lbeschrich I'm sorry Leah I didn't see a question posed! I have certain beliefs and for all of the reasons Sean stated fall in line with those beliefs!

[@jojersey4081]

@@lbeschrich I don't mind we have differing opinions on this that's and I don't want to argue. That would get us nowhere pretty fast!

[@TimCrinion]

Is it possible Matthew 5:27-29 means that if the only thing stopping you committing adultery is the fact that it is practically or socially inconvenient, then that is as bad as actually doing it? For example, Hitler wouldn't be any better if he'd wanted to carry out the holocaust but failed because he was too cowardly or he thought it would cost him power.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Interesting. Clay Jones has suggested this idea too.

[@bradysmith4245]

www.jasonstaples.com/bible/most-misinterpreted-bible-passages-1-matthew-527-28/amp/

[@Armuandist]

Yes the moment you think of doing a sin. And ended not doing it. It still a sin. Because we should love God with all our mind, hearts and soul.

[@bradysmith4245]

@@Armuandist you don’t actually have to consider committing a sin, or even think about sex, to do this though

[@TimCrinion]

@@Armuandist Jesus thought of throwing himself off the temple, and ended not doing it. That wasn't a sin.

[@Barelo]

Well, then following his logic, isn't the purpsue of sex offspring? If so then contraception is a sin too?

[@Grokford]

That's what the Catholics say, although nowhere in the Bible does it say that reproduction is the purpose of sex.

[@brothertoad6107]

The only reason there is even a debate on this is because of a bad translation of Matthew 5:27-28. Leviticus 15:16 contains a possible reference to masturbation. Some take it to be a refer to nocturnal emission, but the original Hebrew doesn't specify. Another verse in Deuteronomy does specify a nocturnal emission but the verse in Leviticus doesn't; the Hebrew term can include both masturbation and nocturnal emission. In this case an emission of semen is grouped with both sexual intercourse and menstruation. All of them make a person ritially unclean for the purposes of entering the Temple/Tabernacle but it isn't a moral violation.

[@bradysmith4245]

Exactly. It’s healthy and natural I think.

[@bradysmith4245]

@David Struyk it doesn’t say much about it

[@omnitone]

the ceremonially unclean part is where it's at. ejaculation isn't evil (God made it) it just doesn't belong in some places.

[@pixiewonder1992]

I only do it once every few weeks when the urge becomes hard to ignore. It's never out of lust or lustful thinking, just purely biological and I guess I enjoy the feeling so maybe it's selfish.. but I've been single for 3 years.. what if you don't have a partner? Do we just not get to experience pleasure whatsoever?

[@digitalwilderness3633]

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[@Grokford]

Masturbate if you want, it's not a sin.

[@matthewking8806]

Bravo to you Sean for even discussing the subject. If it is a sin, then I’ve been sinning in this way since my preteen years. For me it relieves stress and tension and even at my age it still feels so good, though at my age, it’s like having the dry heaves if you know what I mean. The Bible is true when it says there is pleasure in sin for a season. I feel that every human being in this world with the exception of Christ and maybe a few nuns and priests - Lol, has masturbated at least once in their lives. Being born with a sinful nature, we are bound to experience it and because our minds as well as our wills are infected by sin, it will happen. Is it the same as committing adultery? That I’m not so sure about. Does it occur in our heart and eyes? Yes of course it does. So after all I’ve talked about here, I admit to sinning. Also, and most importantly, I am a believer and follower in Christ. Could it become a form of idolatry? Yes absolutely. Blessings to you Sean.

[@SeanMcDowell]

Thanks for sharing...

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

It sounds like you have come to terms with the fact that you are slave to this sin. You cannot be a slave to sin and a servant of Christ - one cannot have two masters. I would take a long hard look at myself in the mirror and ask whether I am actually a follower of Christ, if I were you. One of the fruit of the Holy Spirit is self-control - it sounds like you have completely given up wrestling with sin and are comfortably living in fornication.

[@maxspringer01]

@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness um....if he's not having sex with another person he's not "living in fornication". Also, the two masters thing was about money.

[@BibleNutter]

@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness Oh come on, there is no one one this earth that doesn't sin! Does that mean none of Christ's followers actually follow him? Even Paul said he does that which he knows not to do! Don't shame people for being addicted to masterbaiting, it won't help them! I still have the problem, I've had it since I was 15, and the longest I've ever went without it was 44 days.

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

@@BibleNutter "Don't shame people for being addicted..." You said it. You are addicted. A slave.

[@jennywidner4889]

What about those who are widowed or divorced? Doesn't this assume all will eventually marry?

[@HarryNicNicholas]

god just likes to bully people, who cares what a lonely guy in the sky who has never had sex tells you what to do.

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

Jesus never married - do you think He masturbated? How about Paul? Further, if you divorce you are to stay unmarried (celibate) or be reconciled to your covenant spouse. Jesus said "take up your cross and follow Me." Singleness and celibacy may be the cross some bare. Paul said in Galatians that the last fruit of the Spirit is self-control.

[@pdxnikki1]

When Jesus saved me my husband left. It's not an easy situation so I greatly appreciate this topic!

[@outdoorsman426]

@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness Paul also quoted GODS WORD 1Corinthians 7:9. Unfortunately going out and just getting married because of this is next to impossible nowadays. If one could get married you have a 20% chance of having a sexless marriage and a 60% chance of divorce. Ya been there done that, so I would rather stick with self Pleasure now.

[@Grokford]

@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness Do I think two human men masturbated? Yes.

[@alexwarner9045]

God is so great

[@theist7408]

Amen🙏

[@Cori761]

I think we need to figure out what Jesus meant by "lust"

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

It's not rocket science. Just pick up a dictionary: lust = a very strong sexual desire.

[@Cori761]

@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness so it's wrong to feel lust for your spouse?

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

@@Cori761 no, because you can't commit adultery with your own covenant husband/wife.

[@Cori761]

@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness then lust itself isn't always bad. That's why I said we need to figure out exactly what Jesus meant

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

@@Cori761 again, no rocket science - everyone other than your covenant wife is off limits.

[@DesGardius-me7gf]

“If one is to believe that God made humans with the sexual urges they possess and then imposed these restrictive rules on the exercise of these urges, then it must be considered that this god is very cruel. Or much more likely that this god does not exist and that the doctrine of sexual suppression was a human invention that served to instill guilt and shame in people so that they could more easily be controlled.” -Michael Runyon

[@Grokford]

Best not to compare the neuroses of humans to the will of God.

[@productamadeus8745]

I would say that people abuse this verse. This is clearly about adultery of the heart. Not just the body. “Lustful INTENT”. If “lust” by itself is bad-why the Song of Solomon? I don’t think this was a prohibition on having desire for a woman. Nobody would ever get married!

[@Grokford]

You're exactly right, Matthew 19:18 is translated out of order while omitting the important "in order to". The Greek doesn't even mention "lust" that's a holdover from early modern English when "lust" just meant desire. Having a sex drive, a libido, sexual attraction and desire, these are all totally normal and moral.

[@NathanMladenik]

what if i do it without lust and im single but is it selfish if im a teen and not old enough to be married because sex before marraige is a sin ?

[@Grokford]

Lust isn't a sin, masturbation isn't a sin. Pre-marital sex is not a sin. None of those ideas are in the Bible, they're made up. Be careful obviously but these are not sins in the traditional sense.

[@thesterrave]

Pre marital sex is fornication and that’s a sin

[@thesterrave]

and Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount addresses it

[@Grokford]

@@thesterrave Fornication didn't mean pre-marital sex when the Bible was translated into English originally, with the modern meaning of the word "fornication" is a mistranslation.

[@thesterrave]

​@@Grokford it still is sinful though as your supposed to have sex AFTER marriage

[@theist7408]

Is it still a sin if your a teenager?

[@3rdtimesthecharm376]

Yes, I would say.

[@luxstar2476]

@@3rdtimesthecharm376 ! Masterbation kzbin.info/www/bejne/haqbmquXrdB4f6s Be a Christian.

[@ash-se4gx]

Yes indeed it's a sin. Okay so I'm not trying to encourage you to sin in any way and you shouldn't and it's not fine but if you do sin Always come back to God and apologize for your sins

[@Grokford]

No, it's not generally a sin.

[@雪鷹魚英語培訓的領航]

Well said dude. Non Christian here been on that nofap grind for a decade. Never made it more than a couple weeks. Gut feeling is that I’m losing potency by my lack of self control.

[@michaelbedsole970]

No, they haven't. Nofap is as stupid as the purity culture that Christians push.

[@BibleNutter]

Don't be too hard in yourself. I've been stuck in the cycle since I was 15.

[@Rush4Life70494]

What is the "third party" that was discussed?

[@zzzzoom6387]

2 Timothy 1:7..AMEN It's something that we fall off track with alot of other things...I worked out yesterday but for alot of us it's not enough to tire ourselves out sometimes it gives us more energy especially if we drink an energy drink but like he said it shouldn't.ame you feel bad but if you are Masturbating Repent and as for the Lords Strength to help you hold out until the person that he has planned for you come along at the right time...we wait for everything else we can wait for that too in Jesus Mighty name❤️ Good Morning ❤️

[@DesGardius-me7gf]

2nd Timothy is a forgery.

[@martymiller2908]

I'm super thankful for your video.. very clearly said, thank you

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

Cant not one person looks at understanding with critical eyses on greek. Epithumeo isnt lust its desire. U.dont get it. No where does it say self pleasure is wrong

[@flameofchrist]

I think I heard from Zac Poonen.. Jesus spoke regarding sexual lust from Matt 5:27.. and verse 30 continues as ".. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell" Matt 5.30..

[@Ambiescent]

Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. Galatians 5:16

[@garymorris1834]

I , As a Widower, that will never be with another woman in any manner, and only thinking of my Spouse & Biological Urge would like to know how I stand with God? Thank You

[@hillerm]

How can masturbation not involve lust?

[@digitalwilderness3633]

^ Masturbation > kzbin.info/www/bejne/haqbmquXrdB4f6s : This video... >The one true God, the creator of heaven and earth, the one who will judge everyone is present when you do this thing. Angels and demons may be there as well. >If you feel guilty you are guilty. >What you are thinking about is intent. Are you really any better than someone think about underage girls (Aqualung)? >So you don’t cheat one your wife or husband? But you really want to, based on your thoughts and actions.

[@Grokford]

Neither lust nor masturbation are sins.

[@miksUSA777]

Thank you. This shld be an open conversation with Tweens prior Teen influences

[@Grokford]

The Bible never condemns masturbation. We shouldn't be prying into the private lives of children to moralize their actions.

[@JoshuaHole99]

Amen way to go ❤️ 🙏

[@digitalwilderness3633]

* God is present when people are doing this thing kzbin.info/www/bejne/haqbmquXrdB4f6s

[@dorisbrinkerhoff8124]

my husband is dead . so ? i should just burn?

[@larryvisgar7115]

Thats a fantastic answer

[@bethr8756]

But your married! What if your single and over 70 and have desires same as when young. And have never married. You mentioned biology' which should be discussed more

[@daviddabrowski01]

I learned one thing and one thing only from this video and the comments section: scripture can be twisted to say whatever you want it to say. The 6th sola “the perspicuity of scripture”

[@Grokford]

Yes, scripture like all human communication is inherently ambiguous.

[@paulmartin7609]

I do it alot do you ok bro

[@dorisbrinkerhoff8124]

no lust just lonelyness

[@ThatOneGuyWeAllKnow]

Why the hell do Christians care about what other people do that bothers no one?

[@allenjohnson7824]

Because it matters to us. These questions and things are talked about but you were just not aware of the conversations. It comes from a desire to please God. Which is very important to us. And he was willing and brave enough to address a touchy subject then a lot of churches is taboo.

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

Because people are going to hell every day for the rest of eternity for doing things behind closed doors that no one else knows about. Hey, if that's you - you are free to choose to go there and no one will stop you - not even God.

[@billtessgreatadventure1481]

It’s not so much about what other people do, but more about the morality and values God is asking us to obey as His creation. The friction that arises between society and Christianity is when society demands Christianity to be in agreement with something it deems acceptable though it contradicts biblical principles. Given that we are a country founded on Judeo-Christian values, it makes sense that as things begin to fall away from those values, many who still live according to them would want to conserve them, hence the term “conservative.” Also, to assume what other people do, does not bother progressives or secularists, is a fallacy. Mere words, terms, flags, and the like are considered offensive and very bothersome. By contrast, abortion is arguably murder, to which those who hold it as such are rightfully bothered. Secularists who don’t hold the same moral values are going to find issues with Christianity and Vis-à-vis. They are at odds. It is what it is.

[@NathanMladenik]

because we care about other people then ourselves

[@omnitone]

If you have looked very carefully at the bible, implications arise. one thing to know about Gods moral system is that if something is wrong, it's because it will "bother". there isn't a single useless law in the bible. (another reason why masturbation isn't a sin) even the food restrictions in the old testament were relevant for there time because there were foods that were harmful at the time, but are safe now. masturbation is obviously like anything else, if done wrong, can be wrong.

[@isaacsmithvideo]

Hey Sean! What would you say to those who believe masturbation isn’t a sin in certain situations? I mean, you have to (desire/lust) something when you masturbate right? No one I know is sexually attracted to nothingness. I just don’t see this working out long term, even in a marriage, with how easily we can be deceived to lust after others in the mind. How would you respond?

[@BibleNutter]

I'm still trying to it out.

[@whiteeagle889]

God bless you

[@kstevenson3504]

I like this a lot better than the explanation given in the Christian Sexuality by Preston Sprinkle. Great series, but on this topic, i don't think they grappled with issues as much. This shows a lot more balance. This would have been a nice addition to that series. While I am human, it is hard to believe that God designed us to enjoy fantom sex

[@Grokford]

This guy is making things up.

[@ericwhite70]

God could have easily made our bodies in a way that it takes two people to create an orgasm but He didn't. I feel bad for those who are single or divorced thinking they cannot pleasure themselves. Looking back in history we've gone from couples getting married in their early teens, and God giving David additional wives (2 Sam. 12:8) to teaching single Christians that self-pleasure is a sin. And now we are encouraging our youth not to get married until at least 24-28 and also telling them it's a sin to masturbate.... give me a break! God designed us so we can enjoy sexual pleasure whether single or married, young or old. Hormones and the build up of semen is a reality, are you telling me a man who chooses singleness like Paul endorsed is supposed to go his/her whole life without masturbation? That's not reality. The awareness of self pleasure happens at an age prior to even knowing what sex is for most in pre-adolescence. Just like money, alcohol, sex within marriage, and other aspects of life there are ways to abuse or misuse a gift which comes from above. Folks we are navigating life in a fallen world, ideally it would be nice to get married at 15 and not have other temptations but that's not the world we live in. Ideally we shouldn't eat anything unhealthy (like sugar) and should only be preaching the gospel and not watching TV right? We certainly don't talk about gluttony these days which is mentioned in the Bible unlike masturbation. The amount of shame and guilt this topic puts on people is so destructive. As Christians we can take things to extremes so easily, its unfortunate we don't teach a healthier view on masturbation that obviously does not include porn or lust.

[@outdoorsman426]

Wonderfully put. I am tired of people claiming its a sin. Paul also quoted GODS WORD 1Corinthians 7:9. Unfortunately going out and just getting married because of this is next to impossible nowadays. If one could get married you have a 20% chance of having a sexless marriage and a 60% chance of divorce. Ya been there done that, so I would rather stick with self Pleasure now.

[@ericwhite70]

@@outdoorsman426 appreciate it. I'm pretty certain most these preachers aren't walking the talk even if married.

[@outdoorsman426]

@@ericwhite70 I am just blown away at how many videos and articles talk about how sinful it is yet refuse to talk about the things that are in yours and my comments. I have talk with many who are severely struggling with this issue because there spouse either died, divorced or can’t they find a women/man to marry.

[@Kross-examination]

Nothin' wrong with rubbin' one out from time to time.

[@Tirell_trey]

Guess I won’t really do it bro

[@hoqianhe]

I think this is a great argument that can be continued to make a case for sexual purity as a spiritual practice like fasting

[@jameshenrysmith8426]

Well... if God's Israelite Tabernacle building was rebuilt and you were in there then maybe in Old Testament rules it would be. But otherwise it's not, only makes people unclean.

[@Grokford]

Fasting is temporary

[@carlbland68]

is 3 a 5 times a day bad ?asking for friend

[@robinconnelly6079]

Sean, I'm really enjoying your other stuff but with this, I really encourage you to look a LOT deeper. I can see that you are very sincere but you have not researched the topic in any sort of depth. You are also young and married and, I presume, happily so. You are not living out this stuff. I'm a 58 year old red-blooded male who has never been married. I'm in a wonderful relationship today and I think this is it (at last). I have been through the mill with this stuff. Can you imagine? I would not try to advise you on marriage issues. I've been single all my life, but I am an expert on singleness. I have lived this out for a lifetime. So, I suggest don't try to advise singles on this stuff until you have really dug deep. What you are saying is pure theory. And a scanty amount of theory at that. Leviticus 15 addresses masturbation directly. Start there. You are allowed to release yourself. It's not talking about nocturnal emissions. That is addressed directly in Deuteronomy 23. The idea that Hebrew boys would be expected to lie there with a hard-on and wait for a nocturnal emission is just silly. It can only mean 1 thing. Why everyone ignores this passage is baffling to me. In addition, medically, men need to release semen on a regular basis. Especially the young guys. The whole semen-retention movement today only existed in a few cultures in history. It was not the general norm. So, I am saying, as the expert (who was also in youth ministry for many years and later ran singles groups and is very well read): This is unrealistic. God bless. I love your ministry and your father's work was outstanding.

[@Grokford]

I agree that this person is being presumptuous but I don't see any mention of masturbation in the passages you've mentioned.

[@hekalkal8111]

DR SEAN,DIDN'T YOU EVER MUSTURBATE??

[@MrMaximeloni]

Thank you for this message! Can one say by your argument, that watching a movie alone or going for a walk alone is also sin? Because it is basically a self-centered thing to do and is only made for satisfying ones own needs. (Not focused in God or another human.)

[@husseinkassem6145]

My only question is is masterbating a sin yes or no

[@Grokford]

no

[@robertgarcia3872]

Yeah but everyone does it

[@NowForeverMinistry]

Great wisdom Sean, super helpful for navigating this topic!

[@jameshenrysmith8426]

If God's Israelite Tabernacle building was rebuilt and you were in there then maybe in Old Testament rules it would be. But not otherwise.

[@ChicanaCuriousMama]

Thank you Sean for this video. I have a 4 month old daughter, but it’s never early to start thinking about how to handle these topics. Especially when children as young as toddlers start exploring their bodies.

[@Grokford]

You should not be intervening in how a child interacts with their own body, that is going to traumatize them.

[@ChicanaCuriousMama]

@@Grokford thank you for your concern. But every parent is different in how they raise their child. I don’t think it’s right for anyone too judge or tell people how to raise their children unless it’s clearly abusive, I will handle this the best way I see fit for my child when the time comes.

[@Grokford]

@@ChicanaCuriousMama "thank you for your concern. But every parent is different in how they raise their child. " Yes, and some parents are abusive. "I don’t think it’s right for anyone too judge or tell people how to raise their children unless it’s clearly abusive," Yes, inserting yourself as the authority on someone else's body is a form of abuse. "I will handle this the best way I see fit for my child when the time comes." I notice that you're not defending your parenting style just the fact that you currently have the power to enforce it. Could that be because you have no defense? Most people who say that they'll raise their child however they want really do mean however _they_ want. The "rights of the parent" supersede the well-fare of the child. And no one ever thinks that they're abusive, the more you insist that your rules can not be challenged the more likely that you won't even notice the harm you've done until your child has to lay it out for your like a kindergartener teacher. I can't know you're heart, but worrying about the possible sexuality of a 4 month-old and how you're going to take control of her body is not exactly a good sign. Remember that when this comes up again later.

[@ChicanaCuriousMama]

@@Grokford Do you have kids? If not, you have no right telling other people how to parent. Just for the record, I’m a first time mom. I’m still learning. I’m still making mistakes. Even seasoned parents make mistakes. We’re all flawed. If I need help or someone’s opinion on parenting I will ask. I don’t appreciate unsolicited advice, thank you!!!!!

[@pedroeu8647]

My wife is in other country

[@REVNUMANEWBERN]

Seems I remember a OT verse where God told his men to not throw their seed upon the ground, can't finf it at the moment

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

It's a twisted teaching of onan Onan was punished for failing his levrite marriage. Even orthodox rabbi ic jews admit this view doesn't have scripture to back it. There is no debate. Mathew wasn't talking about what uve been taught to call lust The greek is far more enlightening And romans 7.7 is proof. Covet is the same greek word as lust

[@Grokford]

The previous commenter is mostly correct, Onan was specifically defying his obligation, it was about sex or reproduction in general. But "lust" is not a word or concept that's mentioned in most passages of the Bible.

[@theorca3275]

I've seen videos here on youtube saying that masturbation is good for you. Why would God say something that's good for you be a sin? Besides Jesus died for our sins.

[@SA_SwangnArk_KlumzyG]

Its about denial of one self... Its extremely difficult and never easy... But the walk with Christ is everything but easy!!! Keep the faith guy continue the fight... And yea i struggle with it.. 😂.. Your not only in this!! Stay bless yall

[@Grokford]

Suffering for suffering's sake is not moral. Self-denial is only useful insofar as you benefit from it.

[@SA_SwangnArk_KlumzyG]

@@Grokford never is but suffering for Gods sake is every time

[@Grokford]

@@SA_SwangnArk_KlumzyG Whoever said you were suffering for God? Whoever said you God wanted your suffering? What are you actually accomplishing though this suffering? How would it benefit God, his kingdom, the church or any other living soul? Do you think that self-flagelation in general is valuable or just the type that's invisible?

[@SA_SwangnArk_KlumzyG]

@@Grokford no one has to say it but it’s revelations revealed by the Holy Spirit … denying the flesh will hurt.. like fasting from food or fasting from sexual pleasure or any other worldly pleasure but its worth it in the end

[@Grokford]

@@SA_SwangnArk_KlumzyG Fasting is inherently temporary. You can give up meat for a fast but if you never eat meat, then you're just a vegetarian. You're giving something up, and you say that it's "worth it". Worth what? What actual benefit is there. And why is it sex, hmm? Why not give up anything else, like shoes or electricity. How is this anything other than sexual shame by another name?

[@BoMalki737]

Please pray for a brother in the LORD who is struggling with this, and pray for his marriage, it seems that the intimacy with his wife has been broken or something.

[@Grokford]

Masturbation doesn't have to hurt a relationship. It can even help.

[@jameshenrysmith8426]

No. The body is a temple for the soul in which the Holy Spirit is also put in by God. It is not the same as Ancient Israel's Tabernacle, which was where God himself was, an entire building, not his Son, who is the Word Jesus, nor the Holy Spirit, which God sends into people who get saved. If God's Israelite Tabernacle building was rebuilt and you were in there then maybe in Old Testament rules it would be. But not otherwise.

[@katerinatheleritis9658]

Masturbation and lust are two sepatate topics

[@katerinatheleritis9658]

Masturbation is not in the Bible

[@shieldapologetics4545]

Love this brother!

[@michaelbedsole970]

Just more religious nonsense. Humans are sexual beings. Sexuality is a part of being human. It's warped and perverted to tell people to have no sexuality whatsoever before marriage. There's nothing wrong with sex before marriage and nothing wrong with masturbation.

[@shanebuckles9134]

What if your like 70 years old plumbing does not work properly with a passed away wife with no chance of being with a woman .would it then be a sin ?

[@geyienhk]

Why don't we see a lot of blind Christians walking around, given that their eyes undoubtedly cause them to sin on a regular basis? Jesus's teaching was very clear - pluck it out!

[@lifebleeds86]

You should move your stuff over to Odysee and LBRY.

[@雪鷹魚英語培訓的領航]

Google sucks.

[@JoshuaHole99]

A wonderful msg from the Lord

[@caesarius2004]

I do not believe in a god but i have to admit this is the only Christian I can take serious.

[@kelseykjarsgaard5774]

If not lusting over women then ya if so then deff considered a sin

[@digitalwilderness3633]

-- Masturbation > kzbin.info/www/bejne/haqbmquXrdB4f6s : This video... >The one true God, the creator of heaven and earth, the one who will judge everyone is present when you do this thing. Angels and demons may be there as well. >If you feel guilty you are guilty. >What you are thinking about is intent. Are you really any better than someone think about underage girls (Aqualung)? >So you don’t cheat one your wife or husband? But you really want to, based on your thoughts and actions. >Single Christian, looking for the “Right person”? How about being the right person for someone else.

[@Grokford]

Lust is not a sin, that's an insane idea and radical misinterpretation of Jesus' words(even before you consider that the original text does not use the term "lust"). Lust is a morally neutral impulse. Masturbation is not sex, treating masturbation as if it's just a form of sex is simply incorrect. Scripture never said that you have a custom-made partner. Scripture never said that erotic pleasure is should be limited to a relationship(let alone a marriage) and we know for a fact that that is not the case. Masturbation is not addictive, "masturbation addiction" is a placebo effect. This is just more puritanical nonsense, there's no real substance here.

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

Yep epithumeo Is to set your heart on something Romans 7.7. Covet is lust. Same word Gune greek for both wife or women... I'd stand before the pope in front of everyone and tell everyone that could see to do a strongs greek word study.. I'm tired of this false teaching it cuases nothing but distress

[@Grokford]

@@r.a.panimefan2109 Covet and lust aren't even the same word. One isn't a byword for all sexual desire for one.

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

@Grokford Not in English no. But the greek word is. The gospels were in greek not English how bout u do a word study On the word translated lust. It is the same word as covet. I don't expect you to believe me. I don't want you to simply trust. Besides how could you when there is 1800 years between the vulgate and now. But you could be a berean and check for yourself. The origional language is my witness. What's yours church tradition. You can choose who you trust man and there trads or the actual origional language. The simple fact is the idea of sexual desire being condemned is actually part of a old heresy it's called gnostism Like i said. Check the scriptures. In there origional language. The word for the tenth command is the same greek word. And frankly the word for woman in that verse is also the same word for wife. It's actually translated wife more often But whatever u can choose to trust the scriptures. Or you can choose to trust man kinds tradition.

[@Grokford]

@@r.a.panimefan2109 "Not in English no. But the greek word is. " That's not really how semantic range works. Just because a word in one language has elements of two separate words in another, that doesn't mean that it contains all of the meaning of all related terms. "The gospels were in greek not English how bout u do a word study" I have a degree in the Bible, and in linguistics and I've spent the past decade in foreign language education and translation. Safe to say that I've done a few word studies. "On the word translated lust. It is the same word as covet." But it's not. Meanings can overlap in single terms, you can not expand a word out to include all possible meanings while retaining the original. "Burning" is an example. "Burning" can mean that something is being consumed by flame and turned into ash, it can mean that there is some sort of pain, which can be subdivided into itching, stinging, or generalized pain. It can also describe different physical occurrences it, it could be fire, it could be dissolution via acid, it could be based on friction. It can also refer to any strong emotion, burning hatred, extreme infatuation, being goal-oriented. Burning can also just mean generally hot. But you can't just take one instance of the word burning, free from context and decide that it means that the person is super-passionate and suffering from acid damage. That's not how language works. "I don't expect you to believe me. I don't want you to simply trust." Well, that's not going to happen I'm afraid, I do have a modicum of expertise here so I'm going to need some hard evidence. Though you could be forgiven for not having understood this, it's not a simple topic for the average person to understand. "Besides how could you when there is 1800 years between the vulgate and now." Because distinct concepts don't disappear with time. One language might only have one word to describe coasts, and beaches but that doesn't mean that the concepts aren't different. "What's yours church tradition." That's a tricky question, I would say Baptist-Catholic. But I was trained by people from several denominational backgrounds including Dutch Reformed and Anglicans. "You can choose who you trust man and there trads or the actual origional language." I choose the original text obviously, my point is that you're applying English logic to a Greek term. "Check the scriptures. In there origional language. The word for the tenth command is the same greek word." Well the ten commandments are in Hebrew, not Greek, so they can't be the same word. But really the issue here is that you're importing the connotations of modern English words into your understanding of the Greek.

[@r.a.panimefan2109]

@Grokford the problem is with ur interpretation is that historically the jews didn't have that concept outside essence groups and it was in the gnostic subcultures. The fact is if a word has a meaning in the greek just becuase a bible teacher says it means something it may not. Also logic dictates it doesn't mean sexual desire. Namely god made our hormones he wouldn't then add to scripture during o.t. times. Logically it's ridiculous

[@jojersey4081]

First!

[@dbelcher3249]

I don't agree with you Sean. God loves us and let us be who we are.

[@SeanMcDowell]

What specifically do you disagree with? Of course I believe God loves us, but He also wants us to grow because of that love.

[@SA_SwangnArk_KlumzyG]

With all due respect D Belcher, my understanding is that we have a sinful nature that god hates.. So we deny our self and of our wicket pleasure, not to please him, but show him where we fall short and and allow him to rectify, and redeem us for his glory..

[@Woman_in_the_Wilderness]

Jesus did not shed His blood on the cross for you to stay in sin.

[@SA_SwangnArk_KlumzyG]

@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness agreed

[@outdoorsman426]

@@Woman_in_the_Wilderness With all due respect, then divorce laws need to go back to what GOD commanded.

[@ismaelquintero891]

Indeed, it is not halal but haram

[@jlb9133]

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[@iancosmas3745]

I have been masturbating for 40 years now. Satan condemns me for doing it and the feeling of guilt also affects me at least for the most part of my years. However a few years ago, I had a dream in which I saw demons accusing me of masturbation before the courts of heaven where God was. I saw God spoke to the demons to leave me alone and that I was his man. After I got up from that dream, I felt I was given the freedom to masturbate (without porn and lust of course!) and each time I did, I was free of guilt and condemnation even up to this time.

[@warren6790]

What the bible say's about masturbation is in Lev.15:16-24, that also deals with the single man and single woman that's had sex and what to do if the emission get's on either of them, WASH with WATER and be clean after a certain amount of time, it's no different from any other law that has to do with any liquid form leaving a man's body, pee, poop ( diarrhea ), a runny nose, anything that could have germs, bacteria or viruses that can be contacted by someone else, masturbation is only a modern day word for loving one's self or self love, it's nothing new, it's been going on ever since man found out there was pleasure in doing it, there's a right way and a wrong way in doing it since it involves the mind and what your thinking about or desiring when you do it, if your desiring another man's wife or woman, your sinning in your heart, although it's not something God will judge you for but it is something if you don't control that could cause you to sin, there's really no excuse to be desiring another man's wife or woman when there's so many single women out there that would love nothing more than to have you desire her, no one is going to be judged based on their thoughts, period, only on the thoughts they act on, period, however on that day when God reveals the innermost thoughts of men's heart, beware, at that time NO ONE will be able to stand, in this respect we are ALL sinners, but not acting on it will get you praised on that day, a person strong in the faith can see anything, he knows what he see's will never cause him to sin, a person weak in the faith should not even be watching tv or going to the beach or anywhere beautiful women go, that person is apt to sin and once he does, separation from God occurs, what the eye's can see is not the sin, it's what the eye's can see that is the CAUSE of the sin, if your eye will CAUSE you to sin, pluck it out, if your hand will CAUSE you to sin, cut it off, the sins of the flesh are manifested, they appear, the sins in the heart or the mind do NOT appear, the sins of the heart and mind are only where they originate from, there is good and evil in everyone, if you don't see it in reality, you will in your mind before it appears before others, the spiritual world is in the mind, if your mindful of the evil or see it when it's coming, you will never do it, that's walking in the spirit, being mindful or aware of what you see in your mind is sin, if seeing a naked woman will cause you to sin then by all means don't look at one, if going to the beach and seeing women in their bathing suits will cause you to sin, then don't go to the beach, heck for that matter if just working around one will cause you to sin, move to the mountains, if you don't know what sin is, read 1 Jn 3:4, it's breaking God's Law, if you don't know God's Law, READ ABOUT IT, ALL the forbidden sexual sins are in it, the law and the prophets, whatever is beyond what is written in it is coming from one's heart and mind, and know this, the heart of man is very deceiving, make them PROVE to you that masturbation hurts your body, I say body because if you believe it hurts your relationship with God, that would be mental, if it's hurting you mentally then I would say you got a MENTAL problem that needs to be looked into by someone experienced enough to deal with it, the bible say, What man has ever hated his own body but rather cherished and loved it, that author should be living in our times, there are MANY in our times that hate their own bodies

[@Grokford]

If they're having sex it's not masturbation.

[@warren6790]

@@Grokford verse 15 is about masturbation, no woman mentioned here

[@Grokford]

@@warren6790 It's not specified, but you're ignoring that any "emission" is considered "unclean" regardless of cause, and you're also forgetting that we don't follow Levitical Law.

[@warren6790]

@@Grokford lol really, a runny nose would be unclean, poop and pee unclean, as a matter of fact there are many other issues of uncleanness, all of which were prescribed what to do to become clean again, it's only a cleanliness law and their way to be clean after ANY emission, a woman on her period was unclean, was she sinning by having her period? the whole point had to do with contact with blood, why? because blood carried diseases, the same with any fluid leaving a man's body that could carry germs or bacteria that could be passed on to another through contact, common sense tells most people this if their parents didn't teach it to them, if a man has an emission and believe me he will, the solution was to wash in water and be clean after a set amount of time, the set amount of time had to do with air drying, water and air kills bacteria and germs, that's why we wash our hands after going to the bathroom, to keep from spreading germs that could potentially infect some one else, you have a problem I see with masturbating

[@Grokford]

@@warren6790 "it's only a cleanliness law and their way to be clean after ANY emission" Yes, that's my point, this is not a condemnation of masturbation or of male orgasm/ejaculation.

[@bentlight04]

Well at my age now and past my prime and still not married , I see I sure did waste a lot of years not masturbating . This answered a lot of questions for me. I’ve got a lot of catch up masturbating to do .

[@digitalwilderness3633]

3'2'1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/haqbmquXrdB4f6s Be a Christian. Not Aqualung

[@VictorianMaid99]

I think that depends. If you are masturbating to get back at your wife because she is withholding sex that is a sin. Otherswise there are many reason to masturbate.

[@ironman1253]

God bless you