Is Mojang in Trouble? (Mob Vote 2023)

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The 2023 Mob vote has been announced, giving us the choice between a Crab, Pinguin and Armadillo. However the community is asking "Why not all three?" Well thats because of Tech Depth, and the 15 year old engine created by notch finally showing its cracks and slowing down development for Minecraft Java edition, While the Bedrock edition has a much easier time updating.
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[@vradeus3438]

For me personally the problem isn't the lack of content, it's that Mojang will dangle 2 really good mobs in front of us and then never add them. Even if they don't add more mobs they just need to end the vote because it only tears the community apart and leaves everyone disappointed.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Tbh there is a lot of players who dont care about this and just want to see a cool mob beeing added too

[@Sherry_Armstrong]

this is why i never play vanilla minecraft any more eighter use better minecraft or other ones like that . i got tired of mojang / microsoft playing these games

[@Peliha]

I think what Mojang should do instead is voting for who will come first. You know, like the biome vote.

[@emeraldhamster]

I agree, but they shouldn't end the mob votes, but rather give the older mobs extra chances or even guarentee them ingame eventually. That way, mojang can be more relaxed with the mob concepts as they only need to come up with one concept every year or two after all the previous losing mobs are all added into the game. Case in point, Mob votes should decide which mob gets added FIRST, not which gets added period

[@largesquids]

this

[@leochangesnames]

One major point people miss: Not only existing tech debt is affecting them, they also have to do extra work to avoid _future_ tech debt, and that's something mods don't really have to care about, since the basis they build on is maintained by mojang.

[@juanitoalcachofa3485]

Thats only partially true though, Minecraft updates break mods all the time, specially if it’s a substantial-in-size update, that changes lots of aspects of the game. Also bug, compatibility issues with other mods, updating mods to newer versions, forge/fabric/quilt version etc. It is true that creating a whole new segment of code with new functions and it’s systems is more complex than most simple mods but modding, specially long in scope project, are no walk in the park.

[@leochangesnames]

@@juanitoalcachofa3485 I'm not quite sure how this relates to what I pointed out, I was talking about avoiding tech debt in a product that's supposed to evolve over decades. 1) I haven't heard of mods that have that lifespan. 2) Things you pointed out aren't about tech debt. Obviously mods have a lot of difficulties, but they can choose to tackle them or not: we still have a number of 1.7 and 1.12 mods, and regardless of version most mods are only on fabric or only on forge. For mojang, dealing with what I mentioned is a must.

[@juanpaulofricke1506]

Twilight forest for example was made in 1.0 and still being updated, also a bunch of fabric mods proven that optimizations can be made on the java code, Starlight still has a better light engine(for servers after 1.20) than vanilla minecraft. Mods like The Twilight Forest have existed since 1.0! If a modder can "update" minecraft to run better, load faster, solve memory leaks and much more, why can't mojang do it? The modders survive on donations! Even if, for example, a new vulkan render(that wouldn't work on mac for example) was buggy for some, it would still be viable, if for like, 90% of players it was better. Mojang is too conservative with how minecraft is updated, sometimes it can be good, but I think players are getting done waiting so much for essential things to be done. Copper is a great example, it was added 2 years ago, and still to this day a block that has little usability in survival. Not easy enough for big buildings, not usable for armors etc... Not usable in Redstone (even that electricity is the most common use of copper), and no useful items can be made with it. It only exists to clog our already small inventories. @@leochangesnames

[@ireallydontknowifiamhonest]

@@juanpaulofricke1506 i mean, that's the point of them being conservative with their updates, they are a company, if they started taking big risks of adding modern standards like vulkan and metal implementation or fixing core problems like memory management (or outright just ditching java and writing the engine in c) then they also have to answer to their corporate overlords who are the ones giving them resources to run the company, cause they forecast everything of what will happen in the future, this is the reason why they like to play it safe and not add too many features that aren't inherently risky for independent teams of developers outside of mojang to add cause they have the freedom to not answer to some bigger entity. this sort of thing can also be seen in other microsoft products like windows, which in recent terms has been using hacky methods to implement new features, that's the thing with being part of a big ass company, you lose that freedom and have to cater to the bigger market that takes the safest way to get there. but yeah a consumer shouldn't need to worry about this sort of stuff, they should still demand for a better product, and if they are not willing to give that to you, you take your money elsewhere

[@narrativeless404]

Some people do mess with Minecraft's source code though By literally adding stuff directly to the game code, or altering what's already there Like, ElementX, for example

[@DM7GG]

Maybe Mojang ought to start thinking of the game as modular instead of static as they are treating it now.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Very true

[@thelemmon]

Elaborate for my small brain por favor

[@white_145]

7:02 I mean... Most blocks in minecraft are made exactly like you do it in modding, that's why it's so easy to add new blocks, cuz mojang adding blocks. It's not like you need to rewrite entire minecraft to add another wood type. If block doesn't do something extraordinary, it's probably very easy to implement

[@sebasorova]

Plus, in the APIs like Fabric or Forge that people use to mod the game, they have to inject code directly into mojangs code (that is obfuscated but serves as a guide), so its very similar to what mojang does when adding a new block.

[@Nord_Act]

Meaning of this that Mojang is the one who made the base for the block for this and modders are using this base for their stuff. Yeah, Mojang uses this base too, but modders didn't need to write entire system to make the block work as it is P.S. All wood is just most generic blocks with face rotation option configured

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thanks Nord

[@Yomismo28]

@@Nord_Act The argument makes no sense, it's already implemented, the base for the generic blocks is done. Sure it was work back in the day, but unless they need to add gimmicks, all the generic blocks would use the same code. Now I haven't looked at minecraft's code, but I have programmed in java.

[@walls171]

this is an argument that only talks about the code side of things, totally ignoring the design and art part, if you follow builders and all they do and all about it, you will realize just how mojang hits right in what builders need for blocks. People really wanted a black block? they added blackstone followed by deepslate and then to finish put calcite, this to finally finish the monochromatic palette, ofc this also while they added dripstone, a type of rock aimed to be used along with dirt, but also along with mud which they added next update. Now they put out cherry which compared to most if not all mods they really went hard into this pastel colors, which have made such a new field of color and buildings possible, simply by adding a well thought out wood. And ofc the biggest one imo, copper, giving players orange to teal blocks with a metallic style and affordable in survival is by far the greatest addition to building I have seen, I have played in several servers now, and copper is just one of those blocks that really makes everything c&c forward feel different, is like a new age of building, even after 2 years since it was added.

[@void2240]

You are one of the only youtubers who actually rationalizes the issue on both sides. People don't realize the tech debt.

[@Cygnus_MC]

I appreciate you apreciating what i do

[@mr.temtem4884]

Im gonna be honest, i wish mojang would just update all of their old stuff so that it would be easier to add new stuff. I know It wouldn't be easy and would take A LOT of time, but honestly the wait would be worth it if it meant they were actually able to do stuff like add mobs like the crab and armidillo to the game.

[@Cygnus_MC]

For us java players, yeah. But bedrock will not be able to update too

[@Glitchedpixel5]

Why?

[@exiled373]

@Cygnus_MC From a developer point of view, splitting Minecraft into Java and Bedrock is a mistake itself. They only add more technical debts and maintenance burden by doing so.

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@exiled373 agreed

[@PsychicBeetle]

As the consumer, why should I care? All of this is Mojang’s issue. It’s their poor dev pipeline, it’s their decision to have multiple versions, it’s their tech debt. They have the money, they have the man power. Take some time to work on these fundamental issues and things will be better in the long run and communicate that. I know coding is hard, I’ve tried and am still trying, but that doesn’t excuse poor management and the inability to prioritize foundational benefits.

[@HarrenTonderen]

raises questions, why does microsoft spend money on failing spinoff games instead of main game, but then it raises sad answers. Money.

[@Notllamalord]

I'm sorry but you don't know a lot about modding (and that's ok). The rest of this argument is solid but mods often must implement completely new systems, like Mekanism's fluids/gas and energy systems. This is not easy but it is done efficiently, quickly, and by a small group. "Create was made by 12 whole people!" Mojang has 600 full-time salaried developers/artists/whatever and does infinitely less. Many mods create new systems from the ground up or even entire libraries for other mods with less time, money, and people. Not every mod is just adding on to old stuff. Yes mods are easier to make but the gap between modders and mojang in terms of resources/output is insane

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thanks for clearing that up! Yes i dont mod myself, however i do have modders in my community and in my contacts i asked questions to.

[@natycrap]

I want people to understand (as a modder myself) that the reason mods take less time is mostly because of the loaders associated with them, but is also sometimes, because of the ideas, sometimes people take the studio's plans, and add them to the game "early." Yet Alex's mobs REALLY disproves this, this mod has fully fleshed out and original ideas. However, MOJANG on the other hand has to go completely from their source code, they also fix bugs to make Minecraft playable! And they ALSO have to come up with ideas that won't overshadow others. This isn't to change anyone's opinion, yet thank you for your time

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thanks comrade! As a non mod maker myself its hard to get that point across!

[@thegoldenatlas753]

I would agree with your points. However consider this. They implemented chat report faster than they've done these mobs, yet 90% of the code for the mobs is already present in the game as another class they'd be extending from. I have done a good bit of coding in my spare time, I understand tech debt is a real problem. But at this point its nothing but an excuse. Java is easily fixable tech debt wise Wanna fix something without breaking things that rely on the thing your fixing? Clone the class of the old one and use the fixed version for anything moving forward. It'll bloat the code but avoid the tech debt issue entirely. Mobs are so damn easy to implement. Let take the penguin. All you'd need to do is extend the mob class, include the function they used for dolphins and apply the speed to the boat rather than player. Bam. You now have 90% of the work done. Modders yes do have the loaders which make it a bit easier. However those loaders aren't special. They are libraries to make mods work easier with other mods. I remember when core mods where a thing. You'd actually inject the mod into the core Minecraft jar and it'd be acting like it was a vanilla update basically. Modders have made plenty using just mojang's code, hell they did it before we even had the real source code, modders used to work with mojangs obfuscated/decompiled code which loses class names, comments, etc. If mojang really has such a bad tech debt problem that they cant implement more than a mechanic and a mob they need to stop doing feature updates for a few years and get their shit together.

[@leochangesnames]

1) We have no idea how much time chatreport actually took. Also, it was not polished, so we can't really say they put more effort into it compared to regular features (though maybe they should have) 2) As a fellow person who has done a lot of programming, what type was it? Was it modding, an indie game, programs to help with work? It's just difficult to tell where you're coming from. 3) Bloating the code could result in extra performance issues, and also means there is literally more code to maintain, which would bring efficiency down in the long run. 4) Minor detail, but I doubt you can apply speed to boats, pretty sure they'd have to hardcode a new effect.

[@lukazfox_lol]

im thinking of one idea that could potentially work recycled the mobs that lost and add them to the votes 👍

[@TheWretchedOwl]

I really think mojang needs to bite the bullet and just make Minecraft 2 already. Like you said, it’s an old system with layers upon layers of additions piled up in it. Just take everything you’ve learned, and build it from the ground up, and free yourself from the 15 year old baggage of previous design choices

[@Cygnus_MC]

That would be awesome! However, theyd need to justify the bedrock edition not getting updates while they work on the 2.0 version

[@hedwig7s]

@@Cygnus_MC Scrap both and restart

[@adamlisiewicz1777]

That won't happen unless a major shift in direction currently devs want to update Minecraft forever

[@emeraldhamster]

Wait isn't bedrock edition just minecraft 2

[@DarkFallen001]

@@emeraldhamster Bedrock has enough problems that "Minecraft 2" is definitely not what it should be labeled as 💀

[@murkorus7147]

I think people are overlooking the fact that the armadillo can change its state from entity to block. That's wild, and would probably bring yet another revolution in the redstone community.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Didnt even fucking think about that, thanks!

[@antonymaidan]

that’s actually a pretty easy thing to add

[@sky-ception6022]

wouldnt that kinda be an air block turning to a solid block with the use of a piston? Right now i can only see it as compacting redstone machines or having an RNG to it.

[@EmperorPenguin1217]

Did they ever say that? I remember when Glow Squids were supposedly able to hypnotize you

[@codywhen]

Alright, if we can't have all 3 mobs, then let's just not have mob votes then. If all this tech debt is too much for a multi-billion-dollar company to handle then why add any new mobs at all? Besides, it's not like rewriting old systems is out of the question: 1.13 literally rewrote large parts of the game code (think block id system, water system, entity id system, command system, etc..). Rewriting the old systems both removes some amount of current tech debt and protects against future tech debt - if adding a single mob is such a hellish procedure then why doesn't Mojang rewrite the underlying systems with mob implementation to make the work easier in the long run? And there still isn't really any argument against using old mobs from previous mob votes as candidates in new mob votes, assuming mob votes are still a thing after this one.

[@The_germanArtist]

i have to admit i am graefull to Mojang that they even do something like a mobvoting, not many companies give thier comunity so much selfdetermination, but i personally found most votings interesting and they were mostly a good thing (exept the Phantom!!!). But personally a pengunin boat and ice would have been my absolute personal prefrence. (i find mobvoting in kinda important, but i would have to want a comunity vote over the new villager trade, it kinda sucks in my opinon tbh).

[@Cygnus_MC]

I have a profound hatred for dolphins so ill hate pinguins too

[@comeonmang]

@@Cygnus_MCwhy?!?!?

[@youtubewatching1373]

U sound very uneducated on why they even created a mob vote, it’s to create hype so they get more money, it’s all a marketing tactic, they don’t actually gaf about what mob they are adding just as long as it makes good money in some way, like think about it you think these devs actually give a f about a virtual video game rendered creature when they already have 2 to 3 or more other real life creatures of their own same species at home, (talkin about their families bruv,) they don’t actually care, they just wanna make a lot of money in the fastest and easiest way possible to feed themselves and their families and the rest of it go fuck off with it in Vegas or wutever, which always the fastest way to make money is usually the lazy way, which ends up showing up in the results a lot, there’s no passion for making Minecraft, it’s just a cash cow now, sad, but that’s the truth, that’s why they got rid of Notch besides his unnecessary comments, cause they knew he didn’t ever want to make Minecraft a big game making all this money from it, he just wanted to be a game designer be passionate about making Minecraft for fun, yes he did sell the entire ownership of it but that was during a time when he didn’t know what the outcome would be

[@RoarkCats]

Makes sense, reworking things in code, especially that others rely on, is really not easy, especially when it has to be seamless

[@Cygnus_MC]

Exactly

[@totallykurapika166]

For me, the problem is that the time between updates is way too short. Mojang should take a 2 or 3 Years break from updating the game. That way, they will have the time to implement more features, building up the hype for these new updates and letting these updates to be explored and enjoyed for a longer time (like the acuatic and nether update). But Unfortunately, that's not up to them, but on those corporate lizards at Microsoft.

[@adamlisiewicz1777]

I don't think that good for the community tho... I still remember that we waited almost 2 years(winter 2014 to march 2016) for 1.9 because it was the first Microsoft update and people seem to forget about Minecraft. Until 2017 was the year game wasn't popular anymore there were times when people though Minecraft is over. Nowadays Minecraft is back and I think the major cause is that updates are released regularly and we get a sneak peak of content every year at minecon that keeps the game alive.

[@adamlisiewicz1777]

1.9 was developed a long time yet it is one of the most controversial updates that splitted the community because of new combat. Even nowadays many servers are stuck on 1.8.9 because of PVP.

[@AstraVoid]

Difference is that mods are also made because of passion but a mojang dev gets paid to do the minimal amount of work, they act like the game code is some lost forgotten ancient knowledge that has to be decoded, I love how people who have no idea about coding or game development have opinions on it

[@tehbeard]

FOMO is the issue causing all the ruckus from this. Players acting on fear of losing something, and something they have agency over (with their vote), hence the arguments of "no your choice is dumb". And some players are tired of it (the stop the vote ones)

[@Cygnus_MC]

I suppose

[@denizo9263]

​@@Cygnus_MC Aye aye! Even if these mobs have been made inconsequential for the vote, people still have that itch that they've lost something and it ticks them.

[@Willno_]

They also could reintroduce one of the precedent mobs votes against two new propositions instead of discraping all the precedent ideas + the discussions and feedback given from the precedent ones(like what Blockixel Artistry has conceptualized)

[@Cygnus_MC]

Whos that?

[@iDSG.]

@@Cygnus_MC a fantastic minecraft creator on KZbin that makes cool concepts for things that could be added into the game using 3D animation to visualize it. Super cool stuff, and I highly recommend checking them out!

[@Willno_]

@blockixelartistry is someone who animates ideas of new game mechanics and concept around mobs to integrate within the already existing mechanics and expanding what was talked about them by Mojang developers, a nice check out for sure

[@Snesonix]

I love how you see the Issue on both sides they also bring alot of insight into how mojang works ! One thing i dont see alot is people cry in their videos and say things but never try to interview mojang employees like you do. Keep up the good content :)

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thanks Sonix!

[@sporeham1674]

Speaking of being wrong, I was wrong about it being easy to implement features, I didn't realize the situation you explained, and I feel way better now that I've been educated more, I love this channel, I actually learn stuff and *don't* feel stupid for it. A lot of channels can kinda treat me like an idiot for not knowing stuff, and it bums me out.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Noone is an idiot in my opinion, the issue is we get swept up in these big mobs of hate or opinionated groups. And thats okay! I have had that, and will likely continue to have that. And for what its worth, the fact that you are WILLING to change your mind makes you a smart person in my eyes

[@willropa4226]

Can I ask this question? Why can't Mojang just recycle the mobs that were shelved then instead of trying to create 3 unique new mobs each time? I would figure that Mojang would make a proof of concept of each mob before they add it into the game, knowing that they can make it before they promise to make it so to speak, which would suggest that part of their work is done. I'm just trying to spitball an idea that might help to mitigate the frustration, I think people might chill out if say the next mob vote was for the Armadillo, Copper Golem, or Rascal, letting the people know that those mobs are not lost forever but instead put on the shelf until we're ready for them.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Honestly, that would be a great idea! However i think they want to focus on making new stuff instead of recycling

[@Akanisen049]

​@@Cygnus_MCI understand wanting to make new things. But by retiring the ideas that don't win we end up in situations like this years mob vote, where people want all the options but only get one and it just ends in fighting. Maybe having a re-vote of old mob vote loosers, but like every 3 years or something? That way mojang van still focus on new things, but allow the community a chance at getting a concept they wanted from the past?

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@Akanisen049 they did add the frog in, that one also lost the mob vote. I dont think the losers get shelved, i think they get pushed back for another update at some point

[@Lokie-os9ht]

This is the exact reason why it's so important to integrate both Minecraft versions and also why it's so hard to do so. But if we make it possible, it may actually help with making updates bigger

[@no4hf]

I’m not voting this vote, we gotta boycott the mob vote so they add all three by default

[@TheRussianMint]

Im voting for the crab ... i want a crab in my world ...

[@JamesJohnson-tv4sy]

I agree with the tech debt argument but bad example you can just check the coordinates below the player. Minecraft even has an in-game command for that. Also, its true I probably don't know what I'm talking about and correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't an entirely new mob with its own features have no effect on preexisting scripts? Like I get that it relies on the preexisting scripts but that shouldn't be affecting what's already there. ALSO, I think the argument for the checklist of development they have to follow that was posted on twitter is just flat out wrong with the case of the mob vote as the mobs being shown off had to have already been approved for the game otherwise, they wouldn't have made them an option, so I really don't see why Mojang can't add all 3. Feel free to correct me though as I don't make games. TLDR: I think Mojang is just throwing itself a pity party when they realized we figured out they were lazy.

[@codywhen]

I agree 100% with the "all 3 are already approved" argument. Mojang is constantly dealing with tech debt and if they have the ability to add ANY one of the three mobs in the vote then surely they can add all three. I feel like tech debt isn't as big of an issue as this video makes it out to be. Like Mojang has already considered all of the mobs and considered how long each one would take to implement, etc... So if all the mobs are approved just add all of them and stop with the divisive, FOMO shit

[@leochangesnames]

As Mojang have mentioned before, mob vote ideas are the ones that *didn't* get fully approved, the vote is what pushes it over the edge. And that makes sense, I don't see something like a glare as approvable for an update.

[@leochangesnames]

And adding new mobs can have an effect on the old features. If an old script gives some unwanted behaviour that can't be negated, it needs to be changed, which will affect other mobs. We constantly see this stuff in snapshots. For example, this week they added functionality for pots and saved ownership of projectiles travelling through portals, and had rabbits break. This is an indicator of old spaghetti code that made things way too connected, but they gotta work with what they have. Or maybe it was a coincidence, but such things happen so often that I doubt it.

[@JamesJohnson-tv4sy]

@@leochangesnames I hadn't really thought of that and I'm glad you pointed it out to me, and I mean that for both of your comments, but wouldn't that help them realize bugs that could be much more problematic in the future with larger updates. You are right but with that being the case shouldn't Mojang take a break from adding new content and fixing those messes of code? I doubt a large majority of the community would mind with how large the game is already. Thank you for letting me know though because I don't code or make games so I'm glad for second thoughts.

[@leochangesnames]

@@JamesJohnson-tv4sy I'm very happy to see people listen, ty) I also wish they could commit to it for a year, but it means they lose out on advertising and _a lot_ of sales from it. Plus their relationship with the community is pretty messed up right now, so I doubt people will take the news lightly. Also, 1.15 and 1.20 were both heavy on performance, but 1.20 was marketed as a content update and was received better. Knowing this discourages them from making pure optimisation updates, which slows the improvements down. The best bet there is is having a really good 1.21 to regain some trust, then announcing an almost purely optimisation update with tiny bits of content to not create a complete drought regarding new features.

[@Mabra51]

Theoretically, if they had switched coding language as soon as it was viable, scrapping java and making a better, unified version (think bedrock but good), and maybe make an official modding API, would every issue with the game running on spaghetti code be fixed now ? Granted, it would've demanded lots of effort and modders to migrate, but in the long run it would've been worth it.

[@leochangesnames]

They'd have to stop updating for a couple years, and that's just not financially viable Plus it would start more conspiracy theories about them wanting to control the world or smth

[@Cygnus_MC]

I like you leo

[@princecarmon5674]

Didn't Terraria do a major update on this scale

[@leochangesnames]

@@Cygnus_MC

[@deltahl]

Yes. They need to figure out a way to add things to both Java Edition and Bedrock Edition at the same time. Not everything, but simpler things, like blocks, items, recipes, entities, .. not to waste double the amount of time.

[@playbabethebookshelf6249]

i have question.. why mojang can’t copy block from their code base tho? what’s technical reason behind it to work from the ground up.

[@alphamoondoggo]

I wish that the crab claw was going to be a grappling hook. Penguins would be nice for filling in an empty biome The pet armour shouldn't be from armadillos, instead it should just be a feature in the game to customize pets.

[@Ariento]

I would rather make dog armor from the same materials I make my own armor from tbh

[@oightKoreraAreEditable]

An other really big point I believe this whole thing rests onto is also mojang's policy on how they communicate and interact with us, with its fanbase. This whole alure of secrecy is indeed exciting and it brings new content this really nice shine to it, but it's also in its detriment when the fanbase won't 1 - know how mojang actually works 2 - won't know what mojang actually does, *_so they speculate_* People do start enjoying the updates after the initial backlash, so then, it comes that the actual backlash maybe stems from the actual expectations regarding the new content rather the content itself. The Notch era, and era which was regarded as the 'gold age' of minecraft (be it from very tinted nostalgia glasses) had two really big things in common, that were: Notch being very communicative of the game with it's fanbase (which still happens to date, but in a lower and slower pace), and small, fast and consistant updates, with a 'bigger' one in the end of such a period if he wanted to. The expectations of old minecraft, combiend with the important to mention relatively long waits for fully fledge update that we now have, and the pretty lackluster communication with its fanbase, in my opinion, got us more or less to this point. Mojang could try many things in this regard. Maybe, to communicate way way more with it's fanbase, at the point of *giving up the whole alure of new secret content all togheter* (maybe not in all instances, but in main; As the period between updates is pretty important to this topic); Maybe, try to revert to the older way of updates - The whole rampant exitement for a new, fully fledge relase would be lost for gradual little content. That would free Mojang for more creative and spontaneous thinking without as much stress, whilst also helping the fanbase too as it would make the gap between exitement/awe and dissapointment much much smaller. Or even make a fully new variant of minecraft that would be a standard, mods themself might love it! (as you said in an other video, mod support, ey that would be nice!) Or maybe all of them! Truely, these ideas might be actually horrible for the game itself though, and are at the very least finicky: the little but fast updates might be fun but also be horrible for the modding community; The loosing of secracy might kill the excitement, and the remaking of minecraft might just as well kill it istead; but i do have fun speculating and imagining

[@leochangesnames]

I'm so happy to see someone who considers the drawbacks of their suggestions That's the constructive dialogue I've been longing for

[@collinwiedel]

I mean, yeah it’s not as easy as you think to add these mobs, but it’s almost a guarantee that if they’ve pitched it they have a demo running of each mob.

[@Cygnus_MC]

I wouldnt say demo, id say they have the idea worked out and designed

[@themaster8432]

The programmer's point of view.. thanks I needed to hear this, because the frustration of what tiny changes they call an update was getting annoying for me.. They need a few more employees to take the coding projects..

[@Cygnus_MC]

A few more people couldnt hurt no

[@rudycastillo4150]

Theyre doing the bare minimum. Most their new updates are just fixes reworks and blocks with other texture. The only thing they done hard was the deep dark.

[@hellgates_javed6451]

Bare minimum?! These three updates were supposed to come in ONE update it took them 3 years for one update

[@rudycastillo4150]

@@hellgates_javed6451 then that even more sad

[@jpac8155]

I still don't understand how and why bedrock players (me) cant put banners on shields tho

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thats odd yeah

[@beaksters]

I’m just gonna say it, you aren’t considering the fact mojang by themselves have the money to higher more employees also, they’re a billion dollar company since being bought by microsoft.

[@Cygnus_MC]

I have pointed this out in other videos aswell. But at a certain point throwing more people at it isnt gonna work. Plus the time they do spend rewriting is time the bedrock team cant do anything

[@LazerDisk]

I’m of the belief that they’ve made crazy tools like bedrock add-ons and Java data packs and should use these tools to expedite development by separating the need for interaction between those who improve the codebase and those who add features. Developers of the codebase make, maintain, and improve the foundation that interacts with add-ons/data packs and gameplay designers can use them to go crazy adding features currently possible with them. They could even double the amount of employees since either type of development doesn’t need to communicate with the other side beyond the feature makers needing some new capability. Think about it, since almost the entirety of 1.20 could’ve been added to the game with bedrock add-ons using only JSON files.

[@ExistingBone]

The dog armor is cool, but most people don't use their dogs for fighting, becouse they could accidentally hurt it and a fully enchanted netherite sword is something that even dog armor couldn't protect them from, plus in the late game dogs don't really matter in the means of DPS

[@Cygnus_MC]

No idea, im a cat person

[@khakigamesdev]

@@Cygnus_MC W

[@ExistingBone]

@@Cygnus_MC I'm both a cat and a dog person

[@jamesgiles4517]

Not to mention mojang need to code in Java for Java edition and in c++ for bedrock. Both editions need to be updated at the same time

[@aleksivailov2979]

To be honest i think instead of the mob vote that makes the community angry they should focus on other areas like lets say the end update.

[@Cygnus_MC]

An end update would be nice

[@Ray-uy4ez]

@@Cygnus_MC NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@The_K-Dude]

Yeah

[@Ray-uy4ez]

End Update Bad D:

[@aleksivailov2979]

@@Ray-uy4ez why?

[@midnightMorpha]

regardless of the actual winner, i'm still going to download a mod that adds the losers of previous mob votes back because i feel a lot of FOMO. i know it's not possible for bedrock players but it works for me

[@tehbeard]

For bedrock they should in "theory" have the option with addons (it does give the ability to add custom entities) But functionality wise... that greatly depends on the scripting API, and Mojang seem focused on supporting marketplace devs with that than an open system anyone could pick up and use. Might have changed, but when I looked for docs months ago... it seemed to be non-existent.

[@narutopvpgamer5549]

I will vote for the Armadillo guys we have a chance to get the wolf armour [] When the game was released, the community wanted a wolf armour, so guys don't make this chance to be gone forever [] They wanted the wolf armour because in Minecraft the players can wear armours so why not for wolves [] And also, the Armadillo can defend itself by turning into a blocky ball if startled [] Final thing: The Armadillo can drop special scute which is used to craft something new: Wolf armor! like horse armor [] Note: wolf armor will give your four-legged friend some extra defense. Perfect if you and your favorite pet tend to get surprised by skeletons after nightfall! []

[@DillonTDD]

this was a good video, I don't know much about coding games and this kinda made me realize how much easier modding can be than updating the game. but I'm still on the side of changing the mob vote. I get they do it to hype up the community but they could try to find a way to do that without dividing the community three ways and leaving 2/3rds of the community disappointed.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thanks for atleast hearing me out!

[@DillonTDD]

no problem

[@nickmilano2516]

Instead, we should have three pairs of mobs. One of them is the armadillo, penguin in crabs, and the other two. Pairs are something else so we can get all three if we choose

[@themighty1gamer]

Whether they create things from scratch or reuse assets they still try to tie it to one game loop ( Get resources -> Kill the wither -> Kill the dragon ). I understand that this game is a sandbox game and you have to create EVERYTHING from scratch but I feel that we are lacking a lot of things. This could have been so much more. One way to fix this in my opinion are addons like create or biomes o' plenty. Why not add vanilla mod management ? People already create mods that add a whole bunch of different mechanics and getting to the newer versions makes it harder for modders to get it to the next versions. I believe that vanilla mod management could work like this : You browse the web for modid's and just add them and in turn whether available it will update or download mods. Kind of like in the og Adventurecraft mod. And yes... I am familiar with Bedrock DLCs but they are kind of smaller compared to mods from Java + Good DLCs cost money. If you think that vanilla data-packs kind of reflect the idea of vanilla mod manager than i would upset you... Let us compare it to World of Warcraft's addons : Minecraft has a simple game loop, WoW has a bigger game loop ( If you're unfamiliar here's an example for King Lich DLC : You spawn -> Complete quests till lvl 20 -> Goto dungeons -> Get loot and lvlup to lvl 80 ). Both have vanilla addon/data-pack management but WoW is way bigger... WoW has various in-game mechanics that touch every aspect of the gameplay/has a lot of events/macroses/mobs/lore. WoW has an in-game addon system that allows for better inventory management, macros creation, map navigation, quest completion, etc... Yes in that aspect addons from WoW and datapacks in Minecraft are comparable in how small and simple they are BUT minecraft don't have many mechanics and data-packs reuse in-game assets which means that for you can't really create a really NEW item, mob or mechanic so they are apparently useless but i believe for it to be fixed they must modify data-packs to the level of a mod loader ( Like Fabric, Quilt, NeoForged or else... )

[@MiccDev]

I would like to clarify to everyone in the comments. You can think Mojang is being lazy however, when a code base is poorly designed from the beginning, everything will go to crap. Moreover, making games is hard, especially because Minecraft uses LWJGL, which is a game library that allows communication with the graphics card in simple terms, features are going to be difficult to make without a game engine such as unity or godot. Updates will take time and we have to respect that, keep in mind they are making a game for us while also balancing life and other tasks that they would have to complete. To summarize, just be patient with them.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thanks! I didnt know how LWJGL exactly worked so i didnt include this, but thanks so much for this clarification

[@MiccDev]

@@Cygnus_MC It's a little more complicated than that, but that is basically how it does that. Talks to the OpenGL which then uses the graphics card. But yeah, simply!

[@Norge_collector_history]

There is only one way to fix it. An update whith no new content. It would be better in the end though. Mods may also be officially supported? It would make sense.

[@doomersnek3878]

I believe the best argument you can give to Mojang isn't that modders can do massive projects that overhaul the game, but rather what content of the game is added in and taking too much expansion. To further explain, the content we get just plays it too safe. The whole archaeology update we had gotten with those ruins was just some kind of joke, you go there once to check it out and leave to never seek it out again. Other parts of the update was neat, like with the cherry blossom biome, more uses for bamboo, camels and generally more blocks was rather meh as well. Even the Sniffer's implementation to the game is meh, I could care less about what this mob does and it's existence because the ancient seeds are only aesthetic and even fails at that, but for niche cases. There is nothing truly interesting, thus why people turn to modding than what Mojang has to offer. They have to make the updates for multiple engines and somehow make it for all these other specific products as well. So they're generalizing waaay too much, adding on more work to just get one update done. Don't you think this is a problem with how the business is structured? People will lose interest in the game if there isn't enough players to care about coming back to Minecraft, thus a failing business. Then again, people would hate to see Java lose support because of all the horrid microtransactions and not as good modding support for the Bedrock edition of the game. If all they did was make bedrock like Java, there would be no qualms in the community. This is more of an issue with how Mojang plays it way too safe and add more work to one update due to their generalization. I'm sure they want to get rid of Java to make the workload easier on them, but at least make Bedrock have the same freedoms of Java and figure out other ways on how they can monetize their game. Then finally we can get better updates? If not get rid of Java, then the very least they can do is work on these major updates with more meaning than playing it too safe.

[@niftyrobo]

I have a theory that Mojang are making these lazy-half baked updates because it's a good way to pad out the game's lifespan without sacrificing it's popularity long-term. Think about it, if Mojang added long requested features like an End Update, an actual WILD update, all the mobs, etc, they wouldn't be able to drum up easy hype for the game again in 5-7 years. We saw them employ this strategy to revive Minecraft in 2019 when the game was at one of it's lowest points in history popularity wise. Update Aquatic, a long requested fix to the oceans, singe-handedly put the game back on the map again. Then in 2020, when the game's popularity was secured again for the next 5 or so years, we saw them pull the brakes and release god-awful, underbaked bloat to the game. It's a smart tactic, but it's also incredibly cynical and corporate, and I think that's the problem. Things like tech debt, bloat in the game's design, the tone-deafness of PR stunts like the Mob Votes, could be actually fixed if Mojang had the same drive it did when they were an indie company. But 2023 Mojang and Microsoft aren't going to spend a few years fixing the foundational code, not when they can release bare-bones updates to increase merch sales. And personally, I think that's the problem. Mojang aren't going to fix these issues with the tech, the updates, or their PR because it cuts into their bottom line. Instead, they're just going to continue playing the facade of a company that actually cares, even though year by year, more people are beginning to see through it. Actions speak louder than whatever you say during Minecraft Live.

[@narrativeless404]

"You *where* awesome" Bruh, you killed all the elephants 🐘💀

[@Cygnus_MC]

They're dead

[@lordmarum]

Its very nice to have this kind of de-escalating comentaries, people really need to chill. Modders don't have the same responsabilities as mojang, but I do disagree in that they have the benefit of using mojang's previous work when mojang doesn't. Mojang can also use their previous work, classes and frameworks, especially when the thing they add has no revolutionary features. Also, I don't think most people are upset about how long it takes, people are upset that the two loosing mobs and the features they come with will likely be discarded and not included in any future update. When the crab wins, wolf armor will (most likely) never be a thing, if we look at update history.

[@Lodada]

Last year in Minecraft Live mojang literally showed how easy it was to add mobs 💀

[@Cygnus_MC]

source?

[@TheStegosaurus_]

Minecraft Live 2022: Create Your Own Mob with Blockbench!

[@wiss_yt]

​@@TheStegosaurus_its not the same. i already made some cool stuff in blockbench, what mojang promotes is just to remodel and retexture pre existing mobs, not make new ones(or at least use pre existing ones to make new ones with poor ai)

[@Goomba456]

I think the system itself is the problem if anything. With 3 mobs, the playerbase is split and a mob is able to win WITHOUT having the total amount of votes. The fact that it has been said that all mobs voted out are permanently eliminated also contributes to the problems we see. I think this should determine the order the mobs are added, not if they are at all, similar to biome votes. They should consider using 2 mobs only, too. In my opinion they shouldn't stop the vote, they should fix it. And maybe just go back to the biome votes, almost everyone liked those more anyways.

[@Samstercraft77]

hahaha cant wait to absolutly troll using crystal pvp with the crab claw (except we now actually have to be careful since we cant use totems in same slot lol)

[@Samstercraft77]

also i find the mc rebranded coldwar propoganda quite humorous

[@Cygnus_MC]

Bro i didnt even think about thay holy shit

[@justadude1495]

Jeez thanks for this very educated video. I'm glad you're not just following the mob of people who just want to hate on a company who's trying their best to deliver a good game for all of us, for over a decade now MIND YOU! Think of another game that does this, at this scale, too.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thanks for the compliment!

[@tschudaun]

If Mojang has such a hard time adding things to a 15 year old system, but moders are able to add those things days after they are leaked seems off, if moders can use methods that speed up the process then so can Mojang, they even have easier access to needed code (Recycling of code is normal creepers came from messed up pigs). And saying "Java has to suck it up because we chose to make bedrock and that's harder to update" is just unreasonable, it was their choice, don't make players suffer for their personal past decisions. Also, "Features players don't like" is a bad argument I personally didn't like the change that Iron and gold ore no longer dropped as blocks, but they didn't care which is fair in that case, it's a good change that I didn't like for personal reasons. It is starting to feel like they are hiding behind excuses because they either feel too big to fail or because they hope people don't actually understand how coding works. And they are not are small Indi game company, THEY ARE A BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY, THEY HAVE THE MONEY AND RESOURCES TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS. Players lost their trust towards the devs, me included

[@yes57373]

Look i understand how hard it is, BUT, we clearly show interest in all 3, so we can wait for the 2 other mobs, it surely wont take longer than 2 months, so the "why not all 3" question is stoll valid

[@RogerHale1987]

End it now I want moon bloom and copper hole back all of the other fallen soldiers

[@Arcany]

my main problem isn't that they should add all 3, its that they should remove mob votes in general (especially with real life animals because never being able to get penguins or armadillos in minecraft is really upsetting). most of the time the entire community regrets the mob we get because they are useless or rare. also there are a bunch of mobs with features advertised that are so vague that the community assumes the wrong things (allay being inf item generator, glow squid being able to hypnotize, etc.) .knowing we'll never get some of the cooler ideas like chillager or copp golem also generally leaves most of the community upset. biome votes were better since we actually had a chance to get updates to the biomes eventually. that being said, i don't support harassing devs but this current mob voting system is MAJORLY flawed.

[@Arcany]

also i don't think that they are lazy by any means i just think this event is dumb

[@bug1gub225]

what mojang should do, add a workshop like system to make mod creation and download easier and for all platforms. also add the things from the chinese version

[@PizzaDog2143]

People need to stop being initialed to Minecraft and don’t understand how it works.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Agreed

[@vote_for_pedro2024]

But why the hell the refuse to add them in the future? They did it with the frog and the mangrove. All we’re asking for is to not have these ideas scrapped forever. Like add a couple of losing mobs in future update and keep doing it gradually. No one is asking them to add all of the mobs at once by the end of this week

[@Jesus_Is_King_242]

They update should be mobs and biomes update and add 3 new updated biomes and all the previous mob votes , like that would give the game some new looks and feel to it , but mojang doing that is like pulling teeth out of a fully awaken greazly bear ready to attck you

[@That_0ne_Dev]

If it can't be implemented on Bedrock AND Java to a degree both teams are happy with, It won't be in the mob vote. As a gamedev Mojang have literally no excuse. Also that tech debt whilst valid. The example was crummy, lemme explain: You wouldn't check 3000 blocks under the player. You would simply just check one block underneath them. And it'd probably only get checked when the jump button is pressed

[@lordzia6919]

They should treat future updates as paid expansion packs. That way they have an actual financial incentive to make good content. I bought minecraft for like 20 bucks over a decade ago and have never spent any money on the game since then despite having played many thousands of hours over that period. If mojang offered expansions like "magic and adventure pack! Includes 3 new biomes, 6 new mobs, many new generated structures around the world and a new system for crafting magic scrolls!" Id fork out another 20 bucks to get it no questions asked. I crave new content in the game, and right now the pace of updates just dont cut it. I understand that development isnt as easy as people make it out to be for a professional project like minecraft (im an indie developer) but with financial incentive to add attractive content to sell these patches im sure they would be able to justify the added development time.

[@the1union]

I just don't get why they can't be more transparent with it. If mojang can just explain why they keep pumping lackluster content id gladly wait a million years just for them to fix the issues

[@Cygnus_MC]

I wish they where transparant too

[@thatspookagain4030]

Something I've yet to see mentioned by ANYONE is the Microsoft side of this. While the mob vote is a fun event to get the community together for a bit, it's also an extremely effective marketing scheme. Think about it: Mojang does an announcement about this year's mob vote and the 3 contestants that might be added. For the past 2 weeks the whole community has been talking, debating and fighting non-stop about their favorite mob (or this year trying to get 33.3% on all for some reason...) hoping it gets added. If Mojang was to scrap the vote and be like "hey guys, here's the 3 mobs we'll add this year, stay tuned for the update!" we'd talk about them for maybe a day or two then move on with our lives. I feel like Mojang wouldn't be against adding all 3, but Microsoft holds a tight leash on them. The publicity is just too good. Love the video though, it's refreshing to see someone considering the Mojang perspective fo this rather than just calling them lazy and moving on.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thanks for the compliment! Altho uh, Microsoft does not force Mojang to do this, mojang holds complete Creative controle

[@michaeladames4932]

I will admit. I was pretty steamed by the announcement of the mob vote. I don't think it's all that serious to add or not add certain mobs or features. It's a game. A highly moldable one at that. So if I want to play with things Mojang doesn't want to make, there are substitutes out there. It's not a big deal if you want or do not want something. It's chill. What really annoys and frustrates me is the mob vote event itself; that has caused turmoil and rage amongst the fans, players, and the community in general. Why keep doing these little events that are, admittedly, kinda fun to be around for, if you know that a particular portion of the even is what is making people hostile? When you are too vague about your ideas (like with the first voting, getting us mob B, the Phantom), or tease something that a majority of the players have been asking for or wanted (Like the extra reach that the crab claw would provide), and then show us something that is subjectively really liked, weather it be because they look cool, or cute, or are goofy in some sort of sense, whatever that may be, but isn't that useful; you are going to make a majority of people who wanted a practical use for copper, a way to keep our pets and animals safe, a little help in the depths of the caves, or even just a cool new enemy to fight with interesting mechanics, it's gonna peeve people. A LOT, of people. So why bother having the vote, and instead display what you have been working on behind the scenes. Show a little about what the ONE mob you have been working on does. Give examples of ideas that you have for that mob to do, to the community. Read their ideas as well in privet, to help with your creativity. If tech debt is the issue, then why does it seem as though they act like they have been playtest, the mobs I mean. If all 3 were added in testing, on their own privet time, and if they seem fun, why not add all of them, IF, they all can coincide within the game. If this is not the case, and they come up with the idea of the mobs and THEN make them, why not ask that a year in advance so that they don't have to come out soon, so that people will be anticipating the new mob, fully realized, (nearly) bug free, and with mechanics that are fun and have been given a good amount of time by the devs. Releasing the mob the day after or the same day it's been elected, implies all of them were finished and play tested, and not worked on more so after the vote ended. You get what I mean? The voting time threshold for this year is 48 hours. Mojang employs work 8 hour shifts (not taking into account potential issues in development, breaks, ect) that's 16 hours to work on that mob, assuming the thing wasn't worked on before, witch is unrealistic and just not a good idea. The point of what I'm trying to make is, this just seems like (I'm referring to the mob vote event when I say this) a publicity stunt, to gain a crowd every once in a while. To get eyes glued on them and people talking more and more. The people on the event are funny, cool, or interesting to watch and listen to. The features to come with the mobs are usually cool/interesting for the game, making it feel a little more fresh, with a bunch of bug fixes and some quality of life stuff; like the bigger build limit that was added, in the caves and cliffs update part 2. Why invite a bunch of bears into your home, offer them to sit on a couch and eat cupcakes, when you know they can see your huge, silver, glimmering fridge in the kitchen, that you just packed full of food? idk how else to put it. We don't like being actively being disappointed with things dangled in front of us, just out of reach. Either work on one mob that's supposedly supposed to be the extra feature, and try to hype that one mob up over the time of working on it so that people will come to the event and know what to expect with anticipation. Don't tease and divide us like how they (whoever is keeping this mob vote thing going) have been for a while now. I don't blame anyone in particular until I know who is calling the shots on these things.

[@kevinhultz6385]

So we get all the mobs in the mob vote or will minecraft be taken down or smth

[@Cygnus_MC]

Heh?

[@kevinhultz6385]

I dont understand people are saying its rigged

[@kevinhultz6385]

Like what's goin on?!?! We getting mobs or what

[@kevinhultz6385]

Some one please answer. Mee

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@kevinhultz6385 ofc we are getting them? I doubt mojang cares about twitter riots

[@flynndenby]

Even after watching this video I think the tech debt argument is pretty lazy one. They are a million dollar company, if things are going to be too difficult they can hire more developers. Modders can do it, and sure they don't have to worry about parity or specific interactions, but they also do it on their own or in small teams (comparatively to Mojang), without a complete understanding of the code and within a fraction of the time and cost. The problem comes from them dangling features in front of their community, turning us against each other for the purpose of marketing. They've thought of these mobs, put in the work to do pre-production design of their features and aesthetics, they KNOW that these mobs can be added to both versions and can fit within the game without breaking other features, otherwise they wouldn't pitch them. They recently released an update that rewrote the entire terrain generation system, they can add a few measly mobs. On top of that when we did vote for features they change them, they removed the fireflies because supposedly 2 pixels is going to inspire a generation of kids to feed fireflies to frogs (Ignoring all the warcrimes, animal cruelty and other atrocities you can commit in the game since the very beginning). A good portion of us voted for the swamp BECAUSE of the promise of ambient lighting of the fireflies, so to not even get that after splitting the Minecraft community into factions is insulting. I think the community is fair in saying we've had enough. Mojang said back when the mob vote was in it's very infancy in 2017 we were told that the other features would be added eventually, and the purpose of the vote was to decide which features would be added first. Fast forward 6 years and we still haven't seen any of the forgotten features added. Get angry at Mojang and stop defending this crap. They make the biggest video game in the world and they're the only company that employs this technique of marketing. Turning a games community into a brawling pit isn't appropriate and we're sick of it. Even if they don't add the mobs and biomes they promise years ago would eventually come, they could at least cut this crap out for the future years to come.

[@Cygnus_MC]

I mean it isnt mojangs goal to make the community a fighting pit. Come to think of it, my nephew's cant give 2 shits about this whole boycot. And im not defending them, im showing that its not just ill intent or lazyness

[@drvalen4502]

Maybe its time for Minecraft 2. On a new more up to date engine without needing bedrock and Java and all that jazz. It has been 15 years after all

[@NotBrainytrust]

I don't want all 3 right now I would rather have the other 2 be released In the future so in the end everyone will be satisfied.

[@Cygnus_MC]

I think that would be the goal, same with the frog

[@redraptor1099]

i feel like they should just recode everthing as a massive update like take a few years recode everthing with a much better foundation and code cause look no matter how hard they try if they keep just adding to the existing code sooner or latter no matter how many times you slap a temp fix it will at some point just give in

[@davefalcon3712]

Ya know it the irony is seeing the community say "modders can do faster" and then kingbdogz ya know the guy that made THE AETHER MOD goes on and gets harassed after telling the community that it isn't really simple

[@Cygnus_MC]

Yeah i really strugge to get that point

[@FunAngelo2005]

The minecraft java code needs to be optimised

[@Blue_Fire-Chibi]

By the way theres a petition to put an end to the mob vote, and I'm signing it for the good of minecrafts soul!

[@heckerhecker8246]

anyone wanted the last mob?

[@Cygnus_MC]

The armadillo? It seems cool

[@variastudios301]

To be honest about this whole issue, I get why they haven't been able to actually do all of this, although, I feel like Mojang are kind of having some major struggles in keeping up with Java's overall taxing at this stage. If they were given a more substantial amount of time to optimize the game the best they can, fix any underlaying issues that the engine itself may have rather than going all out on feature after feature after feature, then I think it would do more to cement the legacy of the game as compared to what they're currently doing. Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part that makes me believe a game such as Minecraft would benefit from this. But at the same time, It's also me understanding that, in a way, Minecraft feels finished for me with 1.18. If that even. 1.16 could really work for me in terms of feature-completeness. Frankly, I haven't seen a reason to really go beyond those versions in terms of what I'd really want out of the game.

[@joewrape1471]

That, and modders don't have to worry about it running properly on two different versions, let alone two different versions which run on like 70 different devices. Seriously, people expect bedrock features, and thus all new implemented stuff to work without a low framerate, on a mobile phone or nintendo switch. That, and everyone needs to be able to play together online. That, and microsoft is the parent company so you have about two dozen devs to do it for everything. That and people moan already about any new thing which gets added.

[@omai5197]

Why don't they take a year or two and dedicate it to reworking the entire system. It would make everything easier once it's out of the way

[@Sezenian]

Damn, but a buff for the dog army was so overdue

[@D_Evelyn_cat]

This video was awesome and damn i didnt actually knew minecraft had a ton of tech debt this video definetly changed my perspective about mojang. Now i do think they should spend their time trying to focus on fixing those problems in the code so the next updates can be bigger and not having to be divided in several parts.

[@gayfrog3272]

I have a really good feeling about his core update. I think they're gonna pull through.

[@gayfrog3272]

This*

[@Simeeow]

The thing is, they should just add 1 mob and not do a vote if they can’t add all 3. Creating community tension like that is literally the hunger games.

[@Simeeow]

I feel maybe add all 3 can’t work. But adding the vote is dumb. And they know what the majority wants. So they should just skip the vote.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Not a bad shout, but at this point people would be upset there is no vote

[@tehbeard]

@@Cygnus_MC The genie is indeed out the bottle.

[@Simeeow]

@@Cygnus_MC But the thing is, a majority of the userbase who usually votes are boycotting it. Most people don’t want it. I get dividing the community can work in mojang’s favour when they make poor decisions, but it can lead into massive protests like this.

[@Cygnus_MC]

@@Simeeow Fair enough, but at the same time, there are a million other people (*mostly kids*) who dont care about the twitter boycot

[@DiamondEmpyrean8273]

I feel bad for Mojang, yet they could probably work harder.

[@Jesus_Is_King_242]

Tbh I don't with the amount of money they make and with all the resources they have there's no excuse it seems after COVID nobody wants to work as they use to smh

[@ohitsaqua146]

Of course the crab will win right guys ... right...

[@Cygnus_MC]

Misinput

[@alululululu]

Maybe they should make a public post then, or adress it during MC Live, or after the next update heavily focus on fixing the engine (which they really should since it'll speed up development once fixed). We'll see, they kinda have to with the community being like this

[@SirClucketyGames]

all this is going to do is remove our one opportunity to have a say on what was in the game...

[@MarcosVinicius-hd8pe]

Beautiful video, I wish the entire community saw this, maybe it would prevent this embarrassment that is the "add all three" and "stop the mob vote" movements that just spam lazy Mojang left and right

[@Cygnus_MC]

Thanks for the compliment my friend!

[@synthetic_creature]

ehh my only issue is that the mob votes tend to split the community (even when whatever is being voted on is rather lack luster, like the 1.19 one) i just wish they could use microsoft's boatloads of money to hire more developers, but given how they havent been doing that, i'm going to assume there's a reason behind that other than the community split, the mob votes are fine imo, just not anything i can get excited over (since i'm 99% sure the point of their existance is just to get people talking about the game anyways, and it does a really good job at that)

[@ColaDad]

You see the argument about modders using a premade blueprint to creat something new is valid, as mojang has prebuilt the assets and what not. but then the question arises, if the blueprint is already there, why does Mojang not use their own creation? Sure, coding lingo, blah blah, Im dumb, but my point is that plenty of individual modders have created massive and intricate mods, using mojangs formula. You could say, the engine cant handle it, but the engine handles mods. So why does mojang not simply take the mod approach and, in a way, officially ''mod'' the game as an update, if that make sense?

[@CesarikGamer]

This comes from someone who doesnt now the slightest on game dev or progamming as a whole but I feel that they should take the time to stop implementing new things to a bad foundation and actually take the foundation and fix it, again Idk how this works but if they have bad legs for a house it is just going to plummit so might aswell fix whats broken before adding more stuff to it

[@1gengabe]

We want them to stop doing the mob vote and just add new content without forcing the community to divide itself year after year

[@Axolotlboigaming]

Someone added all 3 mobs in the mob vote quickly 💀

[@ak47manplaysall94]

Counter argument. If the tech debt is as bad as they say, then reworking old systems is a more than reasonable thing to do. In this case, we can look towards bedrock edition in the fact that they saw the problem and decided to rework what was needed, which is good. However they then made major differences between the two and refuse to make both versions identical with feature parody. I get why this is bedrock runs on consoles and phones, but my point is that they saw this coming and only fixed the problem for 1 of the two versions. For mojang to then sit there and say, "The engine is old, we can't do anything about it," just sounds silly to me. A big example I can point to is rainbow six siege. After it's launch the devs saw major issues with backend code and realized that the foundation they were working on wouldn't work. So what did they do? They had a whole update dedicated to fixing those issues. Is it too much to ask for minecraft to do the same with Java edition?

[@Cygnus_MC]

If they stop updating java to rework the engine, they will have to stop updating bedrock too, for months

[@dugoose6934]

THANK YOU. I understand the idea of not wanting the mob vote, but getting to the point of harassing the developers and claiming that you could do their job better is just too far. We are lucky to have devs as open as Mojang especially with Microsoft in charge, and although they can mess up we should also keep ourselves in check.

[@Cygnus_MC]

Exactly, thanks for lining this out!

[@The_K-Dude]

Open? These guys never talk to us lol

[@dugoose6934]

@@The_K-Dude in comparison to other major developers they are.

[@wiss_yt]

​@@The_K-Dudethere is this company named nintendo who really loves to take feedback from their community 😇

[@Lodada]

Mojang should just add all 3 but the vote will be which mob is added first

[@Cygnus_MC]

Like they did with the frog? Its not like these mobs will never get added, it just takes time

[@surge1229]

I get that the engine is 15 years old but we are still running mod packs with over hundred mods on 1.7.10 and we are still running the best shaders I think the engine can handle a few mobs and blocks

[@Cygnus_MC]

Its not a question of handling it, its a question of programming it in ontop of other features. U cant compare mods that use modloaders like forge or shaders to programming a whole ass feature into the game

[@mateopetit1745]

I feel like Mojang should move the java version to bedrock, while keeping space for the modded community, it would take time to make, but worth it on long term, they have the money to do it, i'm more angry towards the leaders of mojang studios than the devs it self, developpers follow the instructions, that's it. It just feels like the manager of Mojang never played a game

[@fluf201playz]

great video 10/10 how do you only have 26k views

[@MinecraftLovesSteve]

I've understood tech debt and have given mojang their breathing room for how small updates have been for a long while but it really just feels like instead of taking all the time needed to make a good refreshing update and add three interesting mobs they've already concepted and decided it's very plausible, they leave it to a shitty flawed vote