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[@Hardwareunboxed]

Should mention that while I showed in this video that Vsync could add at least 16.7ms of latency, the real figure is more than 50ms due to a variety of reasons I didn't go into for simplicity

[@hokopl]

From 16.7 to 50ms? Thats a huge difference

[@enilyruf]

I'm very confused by this video. Correct me if i'm reading it wrong: is your graph showing that any input command will tied into monitor refresh rate with Vsync ON? and will be left freely with Vsync OFF ?.

[@peterjansen4826]

That is correct, Hardware Unboxed. When I played certain games, like Mass Effect 2/3 (by changing an .ini file) and Deus Ex HR I immediately noticed the added input lag, it anoyed me so much that I immediately quit playing it and disabled VSync and yes, after that the game ran a lot smoother. You mostly notice it when you move the mouse, the change of the camera on the monitor lags a lot. You can easily tell that the input lag is considerably more than double compared to when VSync is disabled. Apparently 1/20th to 1/10th of a second is quite noticeable for humans, I know that for out of sync sound even less than 10 ms. is noticeable. Give me FreeSync: no tearing and not much added input lag. You did kind of explain why it more than 50 ms instead of 16.7 ms but it would be nice if you would be more elaborate on that part, it is the most interesting: the entire pipeline.

[@peterjansen4826]

I also can confirm out of experience that 85 FPS runs better on a 60 Hz monitor than 60 FPS for the same game. You really do notice that it is more smooth. For example, I used to play Borderlands2 with Fraps on to test out PhysX (AMD card, PhysX via CPU by 'hacking' a file).

[@MarginalSC]

It's complicated by the fact that the system is still rendering those extra frames then it has to sort out the frames it's actually going to use so there's an increase in latency due to the frame sorting that occurs.

[@MrZhampi]

Made an 11 minutes long video and gave the answer in the first minute and let you decide if you want the explanation or not? Am I even on KZbin???

[@matt5137]

im not watching the video but i let it on so he gets some watchtime

[@matt5137]

he really deserves that

[@denontown]

very amazing

[@homiepablo3609]

Dark Matt'erZ people like u should get an award

[@viduranisal]

Many creators focus on videos for Patreon now, so could be the reason why it's formatted like that. I think some channels like LTT make different cuts of the same video for Floatplane and KZbin with maybe few differences in flow/format to suit their click baity titles on KZbin but not every creator would spend time on something like that, which maybe why this video gets straight to the point? Even sponsor spots on HU, JayZ are usually way better, tolerable and also informative and enjoyable even compared to LTT so it can be digested by paying customers even if these channels leave it in.

[@JarrodsTech]

The human eye can't see above 3 CPU cores.

[@ramiqcom]

Jarrod'sTech like a damn person can see the core at all....duh

[@KushagraJuneja]

Ramadhan Rifaat ----->The JOKE . . >YOUR HEAD

[@ramiqcom]

Kushagra Juneja my joke ---------------------> u...

[@smash9419]

Jarrod'sTech thats why i have a 3 core phenom.

[@Minecraftsomebody]

r/ wooosh except twice

[@theodremusic842]

KZbin video first minute Hardware Unboxed channel : here's your answer. KZbinrs : "please like, subscribe, and share this information (??) to your friends!" Proceed to prolong the title's answer for 10minutes.

[@xtraucox]

i overclocked my monitor to 32inches.

[@tyrone3601]

I overclocked my gaming chair to 6,5ghz on all 64 cores

[@xtraucox]

@@widowmakerx7 It doesn't work that way, but you can always use RGB ;)

[@xtraucox]

@@hades6933 LOL xD

[@hades6933]

@@xtraucox had no choice, it was so small I sometimes couldn't find it. So now I just use a remote to turn the RGB on and boom. I can now use my penis when I please.

[@olivaraljiesterpelare3519]

This one got me😂🤣

[@hopeandwhisky1099]

The human eye can see 10 more fps when your system contains RGB

[@popcycle7169]

Is this a joke?

[@ruufiss9922]

Popcycle well if u got ran in ur pc u prolly get good FPS cuz that shits prolly new

[@kiqo9128]

Popcycle no he’s being serious... fucking moron

[@plasmaoctopus1728]

@@ruufiss9922 "got ran" what in the hell does that mean lmao. Even if it's a joke that still confuses me.

[@ruufiss9922]

@@plasmaoctopus1728 ram*

[@deeplaysgaming4754]

i once watercooled my wife.

[@r4sika547]

Ooof ooof k goodnight

[@cccpredarmy]

I once waterboarded...

[@zif5x]

Uhhh

[@blackknight9157]

Dafuq?

[@rafinxxx270]

So hot your wife Give a pic In messenger😉

[@Vextroboomin]

Yes! A youtuber that tells us the reason at the beginning! Then explains!!

[@nickolagi]

He meant that backwards

[@SamTheMan55555]

Nicholas Baker No he didn’t. He gave the reason early on.

[@nickolagi]

He explained first then gave the reasons for his explanation

[@SamTheMan55555]

Nicholas Baker 135 likes suggests otherwise.

[@rooost9856]

@@nickolagi bruh just stfu

[@Dankboi420]

Downloaded some refresh rate for my 60hz monitor, it’s now running 240hz

[@edwinshark8652]

William Peng the link please

[@ghawkins7106]

William Peng yes lol

[@ghawkins7106]

The link

[@ghawkins7106]

T H E L I N K

[@shirdiy1665]

@@ghawkins7106 www.refreshrate.com

[@fatalexception1269]

Imagine going back in time 1000 yrs and showing this video to someone from medieval times.

[@zeshiboi]

They will execute u there m8

[@6ix750]

witchcraft wasn't something taken lightly back then

[@myopicthunder]

I feel like that medieval dude trying to process this info

[@justbass8675]

Coronavirus is here guys, no 1000years

[@FatboiReborn]

I'm sure they had 340fps gaming back then

[@mrk1075]

After watching this I now feel refreshed.

[@hlakbrlighthouse1835]

Good for you mate. To me, it just hertz. 💀

[@sparshjain4786]

hlakbr lighthouse lmaoo 😂🤣

[@shidzywadzy9389]

Underrated joke

[@shidzywadzy9389]

I feel a bottle on my neck!

[@gauss_wyo]

Lmao i read this underclock

[@sheeeeeesh1541]

The Human eye can only see *4GB RAM*

[@CVlad92]

Not if you got 64bit eyesight

[@Paradice4Life]

Your Pc requires more ram if you can only see 4.

[@TheLateral18]

it can see 16 GB of ram easily !!!!

[@LIVEFRMNYC]

But only in single channel.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

And all this time we have been downloading ram for nothing...

[@ghnbtrcv8672]

answer is in the start without bulshit, you got my like sir

[@saaksharshah1083]

Still so many retards have disliked this video

[@DarkReturns1]

Holy crap, I was just talking to u guys in the comments the other day about this. Now you've made a video about it, this is why you guys are awesome!

[@JayPTek]

DarkReturns yea they mentioned this video coming months ago from my recollection.

[@stevethea5250]

No shout out though

[@stevethea5250]

JayP Tek where's Steve? He's pay off the team right

[@virginiareaper1178]

Yeah buddy, you're the chosen one. They made this video all because of you buddy! Congrats!! 👏 *We're not worthy, we're not worthy*

[@mvShooting]

I can't stand tearing and I hate input lag. Kill me now.

[@jetpil0t]

240hz display basically renders all of this a non issue. Although wallet tearing and income stuttering are potential side effects.

[@11Wario]

I use fastsync, tim talked about in the video.

[@christianquinones9347]

I have a gsync monitor with an isp panel so it's 4ms response time but with the gsync hardware U avoid the input lag produced from vsync so it balances itself out

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

M. V. Shooting get ready to pay a lot

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yeah, flexable refresh rate would be the best solution. Some cheap alternatives to try: either "adaptive vsync" (it holds vsync aslong as FPS>Hz, and runs without vsync if FPS

[@butterbee2384]

"How many frames per second do you need?" "All of them!"

[@dfad3forever624]

Me : YES

[@blurplereign1035]

This is the only correct answer.

[@laos85]

1,000(there's no dot)fps is enough.

[@mikethepublisher7910]

@@laos85 1000 fps is a bit extreme dont you think? even with my 2080 i get 400-600 on most games

[@laos85]

@@mikethepublisher7910 human's eyes can detect 1,000 frame per seconds max so that is all we need.

[@osamabuhnad4246]

My monitor has 144hz but I usually download 20hz every night

[@ShaneStanley109]

Say what

[@NotJames__]

@@ShaneStanley109 what

[@longballslongballs6845]

Eh?

[@metameow1]

should i r/whoosh the comments ?

[@sixstonks9385]

@@metameow1 no no no

[@d3falt811]

The game where you experience the most screen tearing is obviously CSGO

[@rivoaja]

Yep lol

[@blazesmooth5573]

@Elijah Ken tearing

[@excelsiusprime]

Lmfao if you turn on vsync it's completely unplayable experience, everything is just too slow.

[@excelsiusprime]

Lol and this is exactly what he said

[@hughjanus5342]

I have a 60 hz panel so when i turn vsync on i cant aim at all in cs go... But after turning off its better fps and better experience.. so refreh rate and fps no relation...

[@cmdrflint9115]

Lol, ask an console gamer and apparently 30fps is more than enough.

[@HuyV]

It's enough for good games. Crazy low latency is only relevant for bad who's-got-the-faster-jerking-reflexes type of games. But who gets enjoyment out of sitting in front of a screen like a zombie and just jerking at the first indication of something moving, right?

[@cmdrflint9115]

SCARLET★STAR I don't know man, so many excellent games have been ruined by the choice to go for half refresh rate. I'm not even talking about going for 144hz, just 60hz should be the minimum for something to be considered a playable game.

[@beatsalad1]

I can't believe people like Scarlett exist, fast paced games are extremely popular and fun. I can say from experience from playing in CSGO eSports for a small time and I enjoyed every minute of it. Just look at the top games on twitch, a lot of them are fast paced. And even games like 7 days to die which are more slow and methodical feel 10x better with at least 60FPS (pls optimize that game)

[@CaptainCanadaTV]

RoseWolfz Prime 30fps is unplayable in almost every game.

[@Joostinonline]

30 is okay on a TV for me. With a monitor the chopiness is way too obvious

[@crateer]

9:55 Thank me later

[@esremag1385]

Thx

[@ttv_zemp8944]

Ty

[@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_]

For what? Skipping the entire point of the video?

[@tolga9311]

@@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_ most of us dont need all the technical stuff. Just summary with a simple explanation

[@SmokenSparta520]

Thanks

[@spizzlo]

Really interesting video. Personally, I'll take the (for me) barely noticeable lag over tearing any day. I'll give enhanced sync a try though, I didn't realize that's an alternative to freesync.

[@jebus456]

yea i can't stand tearing it's really distracting

[@barbusbogdan7]

@@jebus456 breaks the immersion

[@benjaminbrandis5716]

As a non-English-speaking person I’m sometimes having a hard time keeping up with what is being said, however from what I‘ve understood I can say this explanation is very educational and interesting. Keep up the good work!

[@maximmusmcmillan2889]

Your punctuation is still better than mine tho 😂

[@darkseidomega3077]

Same here, lol..

[@gqld1001]

Worry cus hard is English

[@AdrianRO1918]

@@gqld1001 yies

[@bruhboii64]

9:55 for conclusion

[@Sbensbeve]

Thank you

[@aminababneh7377]

thanks

[@98あり]

Thanks

[@icebear1342]

Funfact i dont get the conclusion. So techinally its good to have fps exceed refresh or?

[@adamfathi9638]

@@icebear1342 yes. But it may cause tearing. Technically speaking, you will feel the same "smoothness" when comparing 60 fps to say 90 fps in 60 hz. The difference is that in higher fps, it will provide some benefit such as reduced input lag etc. To conclude, you can only see the smoothness of 60 fps in 60hz if that makes sense. In higher refresh rate say 144hz, you are able to feel the smoothness up to 144fps. Even moving the cursor felt buttery smooth.

[@Meta-Drew]

Thank you so much for just giving the answer at the beginning, I'm going to watch the whole video but I sincerely appreciated it just being said flat out at the beginning. Subscribed

[@supervegito2277]

3 minutes in and now i truly understand why screen tearing happens. Great explanation. looking forward to the rest

[@electricmiragemedia]

The problem is that screen tearing on a 60hz monitor makes 60 fps look like 30 For competitive games: always vsync off Non-competitive games: vsync on

[@Niko-br9ql]

i play the same way. In league of legends i let my 1080ti gimmie that 200fps with no vsync, but in ac odyssey i gatta have vsync on, otherwise i might as well play on console like a pleb and bring shame to my family.

[@marlonbrans3567]

@Jonathan Soko nope i agree because withourt vsync it doesnt feel as smooth

[@OniMirage]

I would say fast or enhanced sync for competition. Artifacts can easily cause you to miss a shot in a twitch fps.

[@zatozatoichi7920]

I would say no sync is best sync, even in casual, single player games - just get decent hardware.

[@Unknown-oc1kt]

@@zatozatoichi7920 v sync in control panel works best for me

[@budgetking2591]

In short: Yes more then 60 fps is better on 60 hz display, because the image renderd on your 60 hz screen will be a more actual image the higher the fps.

[@doubledigital_]

i always match my lag with my fps works wonders in CS xD

[@Sasii777]

Jo

[@AndyU96]

a more 'recent' image

[@chrissouthall411]

No. Screen tearing will lower your performance

[@budgetking2591]

@@chrissouthall411 lol

[@kinseyjr21]

Great breakdown. Screen tearing and vsync input lag drove me nuts for years. Then I upgraded to a 144hz freesync monitor and I've had a buttery smooth gaming experience since. In my opinion adaptive sync is one of the best advancements in gaming technology. I just wish I would have discovered it earlier.

[@cyberpunk59]

I have to recognize that I consider the input lag of the gpu far from being as bad as screen tearing. With Vsync and a serious enough gpu then you are exploiting the maximum capacity of your monitor without having an image that makes less sense for giving informations than a slightly delayed but clean picture

[@DerJoshbert]

Thats such a good video. Very good explained on how these features work. Great job!

[@duramirez]

So anywhere above 60 (or monitors Hz), is good enough for a non competitive game play. Gotcha.

[@sane_guy07]

This video is pure gold...😍 Keep up the good work..HUB..

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Thanks Vinay, appreciate it.

[@suns_out_7610]

If I had a dollar for every time you said "display"

[@dyllankolinen]

You just might be able to buy a scalped 3090!

[@dell5376]

When a NASA Engineer loses his Job... Edit - You deserve a Sub for all that Work :)

[@sstewart82ss]

Sam a. 😂😂😂

[@seonis]

@QUAD849 Actually you are slightly wrong here. More fps= Less input lag. So a higher fps is beneficial for competitive games such as csgo where every millisecond of latency counts.

[@miembrosgibran]

Yor dad is my girlfriend

[@teekanne15]

Really great Video! Informative and well illustrated.

[@Rahul129K]

Basically, don't use Vsync in Cs-Go or any competitive games 😎... Any other games use Fast Sync ⏩

[@Hirens.]

Agree! But still you have to know how to use those technologies(G-Sync or FreeSync) so your input lagg is not negatively affected.

[@johnnyappleseed4794]

Rahul129K Either use fast sync or cap the frame rate to double or triple the refresh rate of your display on csgo or any other competitive games.

[@Hirens.]

Johnny Appleseed If you want to keep your input lag at a minimum, you still need to limit your FPS. 1-2 FPS below your maximum refresh rate in order for G-Sync or FreeSync to work properly and kick in.

[@marcorovinelli5841]

Battle(non)sense video about fast sync showed that in some situations fastsync can cause more stutter and inconsistent frame rates than Vsync so be careful with that

[@Hirens.]

Marco Rovinelli Finally someone that does get it!

[@sougatalahiri4195]

I realised only one thing from this video Milliseconds does matter!!!

[@Lenticular67]

Very good video Tim! :)

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

I HIGHLY recommend fast-sync for very fast paced games that run over your refresh rate. I mostly use it in rhythm games, where the difference between 120hz and 120hz + fast sync is as large as 120hz and 30hz: it elimates any and all tearing and makes notes far easier to read at high bpm.

[@beatsalad1]

are you an osu! player? How would I enable fast sync in osu?

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

Aye, osu! is the game I use it in primarily. You're gonna have to do it from the Nvidia control panel. go to 3d settings, then select program settings from there. you should be able to choose osu! from the drop down list, but if it doesn't show up, you can just add it. the option for fast sync appears under "vertical sync" all the way at the bottom. alternatively you can just make it a global setting, but i'm not sure how that will work for some games.

[@HarryLin]

Well, I always disable any type of vsync in osu. Usually the game runs at 800 fps with background video and above 1000 fps without. Strangely, I never notice any tearing on my 144Hz monitor. (Maybe I suck and can only play easy maps? I usually play at 4-5 stars though)

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

Oh, I have no issues running the game. But it most certainly tears running above my monitor's refresh rate, at least in Mania mode. personally i'm still waiting on the price of 240Hz monitors to come down to help alleviate it further, but it's definitely there. I generally only play 2-low 4 star maps, but all the maps i play are over 220 BPM, so the note move very quickly, and that's how i've come to notice the difference.

[@HarryLin]

Oh, I see. I only play the standard osu mode and taiko mode. Tearing is not noticeable at least in those modes.

[@nocap9382]

Easy, buy a 1Hz monitor and run Minecraft at 4000FPS on a Ryzen 7

[@eitangallego7169]

Actually your brain can't see over 5 fps...CONSOLE MASTER RACE!!!!!! *The brain can't see over 8 gigs or ram either*

[@eitangallego7169]

@nick junior your brain can't comprehend a joke

[@stuartandrews4769]

I'm glad Steve cracked the wip during Q&A and you got to work on this video.. Finally, I understand vsync latency. Have had it explained before but it went straight over my head. Great vid 9/10 would bang

[@stevethea5250]

What mean?

[@stevethea5250]

Heyyy explain fast sync

[@mikfhan]

Like Tim showed, FastSync (or AMD EnhancedSync) uses three buffers instead of two; GPU renders frame to buffer 3, moves it to buffer 2 when completed, and monitor swaps that into buffer 1 on each monitor refresh. So if GPU can render 2½ times as fast as the monitor, it won't have to wait idle for the monitor to swap buffers any more. Buffer 2 will be much more recent than without FastSync/EnhancedSync but is still a complete frame, meaning less input to display lag and no screen tearing, giving a smoother experience. Also if your GPU cannot keep up with your monitor, FastSync/EnhancedSync will simply let your monitor pull latest incomplete frame from buffer 3 directly to its buffer 1 (gives screen tearing but less input lag). Oh, you were probably joking on second reading :P oh well, still a good brief synopsis of Fast/Enhanced Sync I guess :) might also be interested in RTSS RivaTuner tool's scanline sync function, which tries to shift the screen tearing line to the bottom or top of your monitor so it's less noticeable; then you can disable Vsync or FastSync/EnhancedSync entirely :)

[@OrkDiktator]

Thanks for this video. I always got very mixed reactions when recommending high fps even on low-hz monitors for fast-pacing, competitive games. So, depending on the kind of games you play, running games on much higher fps than your monitor can show, gives you an advantage. If you play 1P/3P Action-Adventures or RPGs go for visuals, if you play 1P online shooters, racing games etc push your fps as high as possible.

[@The69Oskar69]

I love your Lego Star Wars colection. I used to collect them too with my cousin, sadly he's not with us anymore.

[@A.J.Collins]

Wouldn't it make more sense for gaming monitors to refresh radially, from the center out to the edges, rather than from the top to the bottom? (It seems like many games focus your attention to the center of the screen instead of the top.) Perhaps screen tearing would not be as noticeable if it was in the periphery of the viewing plane? I enjoyed your thoughtful explanation of this issue. Thank you for the video.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Interesting idea about the radial refresh, that probably would be better. However it would be unreasonably complex to engineer compared to the grid design currently used

[@JesusMeza3]

AJ C although it would probably be possible to do it on current displays, the refresh rate would be painfully slow because of how progressive screens work

[@johnnyappleseed4794]

Jesus Meza How slow exactly?

[@HeavenlyWarrior]

That would require some complex engeneering and screens would probably be much bigger, like 10x bigger, so it's better this way.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Radial refresh would have the same issues as true circular displays. Organizing the pixels in rows and columns and addressing/refreshing them that way is much easier.

[@mikehoncho2640]

Trust me if you play on 200fps and go back to 60fps you cant play anymore

[@Battleneter]

hz is a diminishing return, the "vast" majority of the benefit you speak of is up to about 120hz/fps, going "much" over 120fps/hz is of very little benefit to most people, you are generally better off at a higher resolutions as in 1440P with 120fps than 200fps at a mediocre 1080P, its all about balance.

[@xplozion15500]

U r right 😊

[@satyam5241]

@@Battleneter man i have a dumb but great solution to this (ignore my grammar lol) Firstly you set refresh rate to 144hz and play , then go back to 60hz, it will be bad at first but after some time you'll get used to it, Then next day, or a few days later, try turning on 144hz !! Bang ! You got a smoother experience ! In this way you can always enjoy 144hz like fresh new!

[@trashoutthetake6338]

@@satyam5241 lol nice

[@SJ-fj3jp]

True I game 120 I for the love of bleeding eyes can't play less than 100 FPS now

[@piers389]

Interesting video, Tim. I had never given much thought to this question. Really loving the new 'science'-focused videos. It's like GN's content.

[@SebasTian-od7oz]

I finally understand tearing and VSync fully now, thanks for explaining so well!

[@pramer1095]

@QUAD849 nah limiting ur fps will cause input lag. I tried.

[@janmejaykrishna709]

@QUAD849 I used fps limiter and never got input lag. Believe me it's better thank v sync.

[@brenlouissurio2404]

@QUAD849 But isn't vsync limiting my framerates? I can't go over my monitor's refresh rate with vsync, so it's also limiting my framerate.

[@Arismory]

V sync basically just syncs your gpu to the refresh rate of the monitor,so if you have a 60hz monitor but your gpu does over 120fps,you can either stick to 60hz or turn vsync off for faster reflexes.

[@EVPointMaster]

There is an interesting tool called Special K, that can drastically decrease the input delay. 1. It has a function called Latent sync, which caps the framerate to your refresh rate but is actually Vsync off, moving the tearline to the very top/bottom of your screen, making it unnoticeable. So effectively it looks like Vsync on, but has the latency of Vsync off. It also supports an input bias, so instead of rendering a frame and then waiting for the next refresh, it waits first and then renders in time for the next refresh, basically removing the input penalty from capping your frame rate. Lastly it can also inject Nvidia Reflex into games, reducing the render queue to decrease input delay further.

[@roelflotriet4331]

Does this gives more fps on a 60hz monitor?

[@EVPointMaster]

@@roelflotriet4331 Latent Sync caps the frame rate at your monitors refresh rate (or a fraction of it) just like vSync. But due to how it's done, it can give you the same input latency as higher frame rates.

[@EVPointMaster]

@@drunkhusband6257 This is completely different from VRR. This is designed to reduce latency on non VRR displays (or when using black frame insertion which is incompatible with VRR). G-Sync also doesn't feature any input bias.

[@Ajstyle48]

My monitor only suppprt 60 hz but im using nvidia fast sync with every game... Smooth and fast.. 😄😃

[@aleksanajd5746]

Doesnt it damage the monitor if u overclock ur refresh rate

[@mishaaldawnak5373]

Moral of the story..... More RGB more frames

[@hajmardi3658]

Mishaal Dawnak Factually accurate

[@Nightz..]

Thought it was gaming chair equals more franes but idk

[@blinkcatmeowmeow8484]

Team Static gaming chairs make you better at games

[@hthree7857]

@@hajmardi3658 actually faccurate

[@splatink]

The human eye can't see more than 8 pcie lanes

[@psionicxxx]

Finally, an accurate explanation of how the v-sync actually works. Thanks for doing some research on this and not just telling us your own opinion, like 99% of other explanations!

[@Katze822228]

more fps than your monitor can display is always nice for better input latency. The maximum fps your system can produce does not always mean the least input latency because in many games if the gpu is maxed out at 100% load the render latency actually increases so that the total latency can also increase with more fps. You can show the render latency on the nvidia performance overlay (alt + R). In Diabotical with uncapped FPS i get 200 fps and the render latency is 6ms so a total delay from fps and gpu of up to (1000/200)ms + 6ms = 11ms. If i cap my fps at 180 the render latency decreases to 4.5ms so the total delay from fps and gpu is up to (1000/180)ms + 4.5ms = 10ms. Thats 1ms lower latency although the fps is lower. By caping my FPS and making the GPU run at about 90% load i actually get lower input latency. In other games like overwatch this was apparently a lot worse until nvidia ultra low latency came out. But its nice that nvidia now released the performance overlay so we can see for ourselves what settings are best for latency in any game and don't have to rely on feeling.

[@Truebolt5750]

Does that mean that CYCLOLCYC (which has almost 2000 FPS frame perfects) is actually possible at 60 hertz due to the reduced imput latency?

[@Piaka]

love u for answering this straight up in the beginning. props :D

[@anwarshariq3411]

A Joke Consoles😂

[@user-vk8yq8oq7p]

Next Xbox and PS can do 8K gaming and 4K at 60 FPS, not really a joke

[@andros4323]

@@user-vk8yq8oq7p sooo you saying the same that people Was saying about ps4 and xbox1... But instead of saying that it will be 60frames in 1080p you saying that this time will still be 60 (i think this is probable) in 4k/8k (this Is a joke, right?) So i asume you believe in that RUMOURS, right?

[@YAAMW]

"Welcome back to Hardware on box" KZbin will NEVER get your name right Joking aside, GREAT VIDEO

[@MaZeHeptiK]

When I had a 60hz monitor I would cap my frames at 120 fps because it felt less laggy. I remember it being very unplayable capped at 60

[@FloatSamplesGT710]

WTF, how does it even feel laggy on 60hz 60 fps. Hell no maybe you're too lazy mf to play at 60fps 💀

[@CYellowan]

I still, by the way, want to see professional 120+ Hz CRT monitors with a lot higher Pixel count being produced for the pure sake of allowing Esport gamers to nullify input delay of modern screens. The monitor delay is very real, is different for every monitor, and has gotten better but is still at 3-8ms just from your screen having to do work. An extremely elitist, despite being viable, of a want. But i am just saying. The speed of light it self is damn hard to beat with signal processing.

[@shzammpatapon9865]

Yellow true enough. This should get more likes!

[@RocketScience]

Monitors like the 240 Hz BenQ have around 2 ms of signal processing. While individual pixels would have less input lag on a 120Hz CRT, an entire scan-out takes 8.33 ms at that refresh rate and the 240 Hz monitor can do it in half the time. The image would start displaying earlier on the CRT but finish displaying earlier on the 240 Hz TNT panel. So basically the input lag of an entire frame is 8.33 ms on the CRT and ~ 6 ms on the BenQ. If you picked a random pixel on the screen to look at, the average delay would be the same on both. And you have more total frames if you're using 240 Hz. There is really no way in which a CRT can give an advantage these days.

[@SMGJohn]

+Rocket Science Yes there is, CRT is more efficient at making you grow near vision and a headache.

[@adrian0soares]

Yo It’s Yellow the Norwegian hardcore gamer!

[@MrHeHim]

Makes me miss my 22" NEC monitor. Played CS 1.6, CZ, and Source on it at 1920x1440@85Hz or 1600x1200@110Hz back around 2003 ;-) till around 2010 R.I.P NEC MultiSync. Once played CS:CZ 25+ hours straight with just two bathroom breaks to go pee.

[@ZAR556]

I'm from 2020 Now, IPS panel can show 165hz VA panel can show 240hz Advancement, right? 😁

[@mihaelgolubov5609]

Yo im not rly into pcs but i got like 110 fps and i want to ask you what will happend if i buy 144Hz monitor is it gonna lag or smthing

[@Dominus_Potatus]

@@mihaelgolubov5609 Nothing bad will happen and if you feel screen tearing, you can always use freesync

[@johnlee2217]

"That's the answer to the question to those who don't want to wait" I applaud you!

[@55knifedamage41]

i have played 5-6 years on 60hz 60 fps(as a kid) until i find out that playing 100+ fps on my monitor removed any input lag with or without vsync on or any other technology, for me feels like heaven only by changing capped fps

[@klaus9503]

Same. Running 300 fps instead of 75 hz on 60 hz monitor is a huge difference in valorant! Finally won my first deathmatch first try

[@jpogigtxcr1778]

So basically… I just bought an xbox s series with kbm, just for my youngest kid playing fortnite. And a 75hz monitor w/ freesync To maximize the system’s output. I run the xbox at 120fps and turn off vsync, and freesync will do nothing.

[@jester0594]

Thank you your like the only person who has explained this good and given me a clear answer

[@kapsxd]

I've got a question, when I'm playing something like CSGO, I usually get 360 fps on my 60hz 1ms monitor, it causes less tearing then when I lock the fps to 60 WITHOUT V SYNC. Why do I notice less tearing with higher frame rates than something near 60 fps?

[@hugo9016]

I have no idea but try fast sync =)

[@Gaboou]

I get that very same effect in Overwatch with a 120 vs 60 FPS lock (limited using MSi Afterburner Rivatuner Statistics Server, which is even better than the already pretty good build-in OW limiter) in addition to lower input lag! My guess would be that the higher the framerate the higher the chance that an entire frame will be ready just in time for a display refresh...?

[@karnazacss]

A VIDEO WITH THE ANSWER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE VIDEO. Instant like and subscribed thank you.

[@WrexBF]

- There will always be screen tearing unless some sort of synchronization technology is being used. - Capping the fps below the screen refresh rate doesn't fix screen tearing but rather makes it worse - The higher the fps the less obvious screen tearing becomes and the more responsive inputs become. - for FPS games, cap your fps to the highest average fps your CPU can maintain. for other games, use V or Fast sync. - if you're one of those people who don't feel the advantage when they uncap their fps, I recommend sticking to v-sync cause I don't think you will feel the input lag anyway.

[@ShaoZapomnit]

Read this if you want a flawless experience. It's possible to entirely remove the downside of V-Sync and be bound to the refresh rate itself. steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=668808553

[@gabrielst527]

I don't want to sound like crazy, but i didn't had any tearing in most games on my old 2008 samsung T220 monitor, i moved to a new Samsung SF350 and i started to have noticeable tearing on games (gladly this monitor has Freesync so that solved the issue) but still it's weird

[@SirSmokeALeet]

Shao Zapomni If you cap your framerate below your refresh rate, you are dropping frames every second, by design. That is not a flawless experience for people who do not want any dropped frames whatsoever. Go away with your snake oil BS.

[@WrexBF]

Dude, did you even read the post? that post basically tells how to use v-sync without the typical huge input lag trade-off, which is the ''flawless experience'' he's talking about.

[@ShaoZapomnit]

SirSmokeALeet Oh hey it's you mister trying to imply something without actual evidence. Must be snake oil to provide live facts. I'll just throw it back at you and everyone else to see. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWWuf6CXjLOSh9U And also anybody else that had actually the proper understanding to begin with reported expected results, what can you do aside using your words? Listening to the people who tries to sell you things? Quite sad, I just want you to prove me wrong but you aren't able to because you are most likely wrong yourself. No evidence, no facts.

[@Anatley]

Great vid, thanks for the hard work. I play Overwatche at 180-210 fps on low settings on my 144hz Dell monitor. Now I know I am not wasting frames..

[@fleabaglane]

Sorry max fps limited to monitor refresh hz 144/144 dont care what videocard programs shows once it is at the monitor point it cant do more and vsync is dead most free sync or Gsync why pay for it

[@lumia_dayZ]

Moved from 60hz to 165hz I can't tell a difference really I read online that it's so much better and stuff I can't feel any difference.. Maybe it's just me I don't know I can even play with 30 fps and still win in any pvp game.. But my friend has a different experience when they moved from 60hz to 165 they felt the difference

[@OptioTheGamer]

"How gpu and display work together to send frames into your eyeballs" this had me in stitches 😂

[@antonmuntz8319]

that was a really good video, very good explanation

[@jayzee2634]

Does the same apply to a TV screen? What if the ps5 offers a 120 FPS game but my tv is 60 hz... will that be better than having a 60 FPS game on 60 hz TV?

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

How do I get Fast Sync?

[@dixitpatel017]

Console gamer:- 30 fps enough for me. PC gamer: feed me more 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@zyapsi7510]

Console run game at 60fps not 30

[@lickmylemns3058]

@@zyapsi7510 kinda true kinda not, some console games lock at "smooth 30fps" Like destiny 2 are locked at that soo some games go to 60 some stick to 30

[@zyapsi7510]

@@lickmylemns3058 the only two games that don't run at 60fps are pubg and Destiny 2

[@lickmylemns3058]

@@zyapsi7510 out of major games yeah I'm sure there's more but I couldn't really care but ye some games still lock at 30 so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@veqtrah7679]

@@zyapsi7510 console MAX fps is 60. Go watch console benchmarks. Fortnite is 45-55fps and story games that are graphically demanding are less than 30fps

[@maher2316]

Short answer, yes you need more than 60 , 144hz is way better than 60 and diffrence is noticeable, and upgrading your monitor to 244 if you have the money is a good upgrade.

[@knight8273]

Shopkeeper:how much fps do u want for this game Me: yes

[@rudolphdandelion6840]

OMG, that’s why I always felt like I need to lead my shots to hit the enemy! I’ll turn off v sync right away

[@SpunkyGo0se]

You didn't understand the explanation lol

[@littlejetguy]

Yes more than 60 fps on a 60hz moniter is noticeable but 60fps on 144hz is barley noticeable. So I would say if you are going to upgrade something let it be your PC first, then your moniter.

[@KaiTarded]

Liked because you gave the answer in less than a minute.

[@kevedwards]

Discovering fast sync was a game changer for me, works great specially on titles like dirt Rally 2.0

[@andreabriganti8621]

Competitive online e-sport players: 360fps! Me ( and many others ) Can we just get a gpu?

[@nydabeats]

NEVER USE VSYNC if you can push over 60 fps.... USE FASTSYNC!!!! (its in the nvidia control panel only, not in your game)

[@angrypepecancer5205]

Why?

[@nydabeats]

@@angrypepecancer5205 a lot Less input delay

[@DAXminer-g1g]

What if I have a laptop with no support for it?

[@nydabeats]

@@DAXminer-g1g you have to have a 900 series nvidia card or better... If you don't have it just deal with screen tearing lol idk...

[@DAXminer-g1g]

Nyda GTX 1060 6gb.

[@gigachad6844]

I came for yes/no and understood about tearing, stuttering and many more. Thanks bud ❤️

[@user123yxc]

Fast Sync and Enhanced Sync are fancy names for triple buffering. 🤓

[@demontongue9893]

I feel 75 fps or over gives you a really smooth gaming experience once you dip below that when you make faster movements you can 100% see skipped frames

[@FlightyWolfwood]

I agree with this sentiment. I kept dropping to 48 frames 4k 60 all cranked. And with adjustments in ff14. With vsync. I uncapped and shot to 120fps . Dropped it to 85 frames and its smoother with no tearing. Idk but i was willing to keep vsync for SP games to make the most our of the 4k 60, but i cant. Its slow and tears. 75 fps is the sweet spot. And all this is utilizinf gsync as well.

[@DAITYA73]

So can I cap the Max fps at 75 on my 60 Hz display?

[@demontongue9893]

@@DAITYA73 It depends what game your playing and what combination of vsync and cap you have there , if you're getting a solid 65 to 75 fps and you're getting dips or stutters, lower the frame cap in game or preferably in the nvidia control panel to 60 then go in and see how well it runs and if you still get the stuttering, if you keep stuttering lower by 5 fps at a time until its stable.

[@DAITYA73]

Can you tell at what value should I cap my max fps using nvidia control panel for Counter Strike global offensive? 60 or 75 or do not cap at all! My laptop can easily push above 100 fps. But as it is old it gets hot easily. Thanks in advance. Also my screen is 60 Hertz.

[@demontongue9893]

@@DAITYA73 As I said , say youre getting 100 fps but you get dips into the 80's cap the frame in game or in nvidia control panel to 80 because thats what its dipping to then see how smooth it is, basically whatever you 10% lows are , cap your frame limit to that or just below that and you'll not suffer micro stuttering or full on 1fps lows

[@MacwinsTV]

Put Red Bull in your PC , It runs faster when gaming .

[@dvr1337]

I see a big difference on a 60hz monitor when i go from 90 to 300fps.

[@jahsuebhubndjk1804]

tbph, im okay even with 35 fps.

[@abdelderka]

I was waiting for a video like that for months !!!!!! THANK YOU....

[@spaceman4195]

So turn on fast sync and leave it at that? (But I don't see many monitors advertised with this feature)

[@ethanoshea4102]

I got a good question for you guys I'd love an explaination on. When I lock fps at 71fps for instance on a 60hz monitor I get a tiny tiny micro stutters. However when it's locked to 72fps it feels much smoother. I noticed that 62fps and i think 80fps are also smooth. This is with rocket league btw.

[@sphrcl.]

I'm guessing it's because 71 frames doesn't go into 60 nicely. 72 is 12 more than 60, 12 is a fifth of 60. 80 is 20 more than 60, 20 is a third of 60. 71 is prime and there's no neat way to get it to 60 fps.

[@kennethjackson5175]

I’ve been looking for a clear answer to this for so long... Thank you

[@vexbtw9771]

I have question, suppose there is a 60hz monitor and your pc gives 140 fps, will the output be 140 fps or 60 fps, I'm sorry I'm really bad into pc gaming and I'm thinking of getting one soon, as I already have a 60 hz monitor

[@C0nnie]

On 60hz I can absolutely feel the difference between 60 and 100+

[@Nobody99962]

Me too

[@Aftermader]

Hoooow

[@mangatom192]

Having bought a 165hz monitor, I realized that I can barely tell 165 from 60. However it's easy to spot when it dips below 60 though.

[@biggiesmalls6270]

Stupid question but did you change the refresh rate in the advanced graphics/display settings to the highest available refresh rate after buying and using the new monitor?

[@supremelucks]

To answer the question yes the more FPS the better no matter how many hertz your monitor is because the game runs faster

[@PRIMEVAL543]

7:20 when the author knows he sucks so he lets the AI play XDD

[@andystoica1481]

Nice explanation into how V-Sync works. I would have liked to see how these numbers play into the context of human perception and response times, considering that super human visual reaction times are around 200ms (elite gamers and F1 drivers) while more average gamers tend to lag above 300ms.

[@Aleks01101]

Search for - Does High FPS make you a better gamer? Ft. Shroud - FINAL ANSWER

[@arielpuig7302]

I’ve NEVER see a single Tearing with fast sync no matter what the frame rate, EVEN BELOW 60! I don’t know why every one gives the same definition that nvidia gives because when you tested in reality is like gsync is unnecessary.

[@Nonomen663]

The human eye can not see more than 24 fps Wtf why more 🤦‍♂️🤣

[@HalfdeadRider]

Common misconception, I thought that too as we know below 24fps images flicker/judder, but our eye's can see the difference in much higher fps. Do a quick google search and you'll find info on it easily.