Is my C1 Tapping out?- Ticking engine, but a great car!

[@Alf-Garnish]

Piston slap, common trait of these engines, even remote tribes deep in the Amazonian rainforest know that 😄

[@gtibruce]

I use Tesco's premium grade 97 octane and no slap!

[@volt8684]

@@gtibrucetrash. Its todo with the cvt and tdc

[@gerhardgugelhupf2272]

Piston slap here is due to design of these (for 1l pretty efficient) engines. They come by default with slim pistons (less friction) which in connection with VVT & constantly changing of ignition timing gives that ticking noise - nothing bad with this. Drawback is typically you burn/loose lot of oil (use 5W-30 in my for 6 month pretty cold country and need at least 1l extra oil for ~10k km) from passing by the pistons, so definitely not a city car for small distances.

[@SeasideGarage]

Its normal for them to be noisy yes.. This one is extreme... the metal on metal sound is pretty horrible for the first 10 min of driving... then its not that bad... :) It uses around a liter pr 1000km... Yea consideren other engines the 68 horses from a 1.0 is pretty healthy.... On the other hand, my 1050 Fiat abarth engine is producing 70 horsepower from a old school pushrod engine!! Not that economically though.. ;)

[@libborr]

Use 10W40 and im telling you that no extra oil will ve needed.

[@volt8684]

Check cyclone Sid clean pcv valve. Mine was using oil and did this I had to replace not clean and zero oil consumption at 110 k miles

[@libborr]

I have the same car, same color. Year 2008, 148t km and works awesome. I change oil every 3000km. It doesn't eat any amount of oil

[@departe5672]

What oil and grade are you using?

[@libborr]

@@departe5672 I use 10W40. With this oil it's very silent. I found very cheap one for around $4 for 1L. And oil filter for only 3$ 😃 So one oil changing with oil filter costs me only $15 😃👍

[@TriforceOfCourage97]

@@libborr what is this ? 4€ a liter oil you speak of, here €20 is the cheapest lol

[@shaunbarnsley6928]

Try Wynn's supercharge oil additive there's other makes too all pretty much the same or 10w40 oil .I've used oil additive in past when burning oil it can work a treat

[@gerhardgugelhupf2272]

Valve clearance (Cold) for 1KR-FE engine: Intake side: 0.145 to 0.235 mm Exhaust side: 0.275 to 0.365 mm

[@SeasideGarage]

Thanks

[@alfb1830]

We have a 2014 c1, bought with 90.000 km. Ticking......now 190.000 km on odo. Still ticking😅 Doesnt matter what oil you put in,nothing helps! But it consumes a lot of oil! 1 liter per 1000 km. We keep it till it dies😊 👍

[@volt8684]

I had that problem check cleaning pcv on here a few vids. Totally eliminated oil consumption easy 10 min job. May be broken when take it out shake it if dont rattle replace £15. I used vid by cyclone Sid on u tube. If it can’t breathe it burns oil

[@alfb1830]

@@volt8684 i changed the pcv before, oil usage decreased 50%

[@asensibleyoungman2978]

Superb cars.

[@klingeand]

I thought that my C1 had the same issue. With some 240.000 km on the clock, it had that sound, and I started looking for replacement engines. But then it struck me, that I had recently changed the drive belt, and that there was some sound issues with that. And after giving the belt a good load of talc and silicone oil, the slapping sound vanished.

[@GlossaME]

What drive belt exactly?

[@volt8684]

@@GlossaMEalternator belt if talc can’t be cam chain

[@Sarah-kt6ui]

Nice video, thanks! 😊 I'm just wondering which oil do you fill in, because you didn't show it 🫤 (5W-30 or 15W-40)? Greetings from Switzerland 😊

[@sebastianborek3591]

Any update about c1??do you confirm that's piston slap?if you could dismantle engine and see wear and tear of all pistons(if any).

[@SeasideGarage]

Its still running and sounding the same.... Oil usage has actually gone down a bit... But I wont do anything before it grenades' itself... ;) Many has confirmed that the noise is worse then normal c1s but apparently its not a huge deal.... I think at least 40.000km has been driven since this video :)

[@Pickfordr100]

These engines just seem to tick like that, if you just look after it they are bomb proof. 5w30 oil is supposed to be the best for them. My wife has used hers daily for 6 or so years with only wear and tear parts needed. I got one around 2 years ago and its been superly reliable driven in anger daily 😂

[@SeasideGarage]

Mine still drives fine as well.... Using a lot of oil though... ;)

[@Pickfordr100]

@@SeasideGarage that's maybe a slight issue 🤔 the 2 we have don't use hardly any oil

[@SeasideGarage]

@@Pickfordr100 it is... ;)

[@libborr]

But why not 10w40 as recommended?

[@volt8684]

@@SeasideGaragecheck and clean pcv if car can’t brath it consumes and burns oil, easy job check out cyclone Sid on here

[@TriforceOfCourage97]

my peugeot 107 shakes a whole lot since changing all motor mounts. one was bad so I went ahead and changed them all. All Febi parts. Cant for the life of me figure it out. it seems less after driving for a couple weeks, but its still there. its there when idling with clutch pushed in and not pushed in so its not driveline related. it shakes mostly between 1800 and 2500 RPM

[@حمادهسعيد-د5ت]

My Toyota Aygo also shakes. Haven't checked why though.

[@leokavanagh2389]

Great little cars

[@SeasideGarage]

Yea they are pretty nice... and nippy!

[@L_U-K_E]

Tapping sound is piston slap. Mine does it too.

[@michaelbrath2814]

Hvordan går det med den lille C1’er, er den stadig en del af flåden?

[@SeasideGarage]

Jaha! Den køre stadig! Helt utroligt faktisk.... den bruger en del olie og vi opdager ofte lidt sent at den mangler... Forleden manglede den 2,2 liter! og motoren indeholder 3.8.... Men den køre stadig bare......

[@steveo3002]

just a mention...mine was on 5/30 and id say it was pretty embarrassing /obvious knock /tick when accelerating , ive changed to 10/40 and its 90% gone , maybe worth a try ? i think you can go thicker still and still be in the reccomended range ...sounds much nicer imo

[@SeasideGarage]

I tried... no difference unfortunately..

[@aleksandergjengst782]

weird,i went from 5w 40 to 30 and thought the ticking got less😅

[@steveo3002]

@@aleksandergjengst782 i ran 5/30 for winter...im not sure its much difference really , the tick is annoying

[@volt8684]

@@SeasideGaragesame now accept

[@Chidacards]

Mine makes the sound, but when I accelerate a high pitch tone is also heard and I drive a automatic when it shifts from 1 to 2 it’s like the engine is going to fly out of the car... think mine is slowly dying, but it drove me around for 6 years now.

[@SeasideGarage]

They seem to die very very slowly!

[@Hellaorj]

I had the same sound in my c1. Also got some sludge on the oil cap but it was driving very good.

[@SeasideGarage]

This one is still driving fine as well.. but it uses to much oil..

[@aleksandergjengst782]

i messured my c1 to 0,45dl pr mile with mixed driving..PRETTY impressive actualy..i have the wery same ticking noise but found it to get a bit better when it is warm..All c1 is ticking in some degree.

[@darrenwilson8042]

Having watched a few YT Vids on these the problem seems to be caused by worn big end bearings or possibly overfilled with oil or even water ingestion going through a flood causing the con rod in cylinder number 1 to become bent

[@SeasideGarage]

Thats interesting... It could be! :)

[@Eatcrow]

Ha, just saw a video with a bent conrod and he didnt know what caused it and now you have just revealed the true cause, genius! 👍🏻

[@steveo3002]

mine does the tick under accel , not at idle , not noticible at full accel or cruise ....do you think it could be a pin holed manifold ?

[@SeasideGarage]

It could be... but I think its more serious on this one..

[@jeffb9903]

run her on super unleaded and see how she does.

[@volt8684]

There are articles on their failure

[@jordanfulcher3160]

Hi, What Oil would you recommend for this engine? It says 15w-40 Mineral in the manual. Thank you :)

[@SeasideGarage]

I run it on 5w30 at the moment... :)

[@Lonewolf_rider]

The newest 1K-RFE motors the VTI 72 Toyota recommend 0W-20 I don't know what they changed internally what I do know is that the older Daihatsu Cuore '90 models ran on 10W-40 I think 15W is too thick for cold temperatures?

[@volt8684]

My mate works in a Toyota garage and they service everything with 5w 30 semisynthetic 😂

[@TriforceOfCourage97]

i run 5w40 in mine, runs great and burns no oil, ever

[@fredrikpedersen1220]

Hei, Har du funnet ut hva problemet var ? :) jeg har akk samme på min aygo 2013 mod

[@SeasideGarage]

nej... men den har kørt næsten 100.000 siden... med et olie forbrug på omkring en liter per 1000km... NU synger den efterhånden på sidste vers... (men det troede jeg også dengang)

[@MR_MT_222]

Does your C1 engine vibrate on idle and can be felt through the exhaust too ? Apparently it seems to be common on these cars

[@MR_MT_222]

@Minimalism seems to be trait of the engine at idle, I can feel it under the drivers seat where the exhaust is running accross but only at idle

[@MR_MT_222]

@Minimalism the rear silencer is new and all the mountings are secure I just see the vibration from the engine follow down the mid pipe and make its way to the silencer but only on idle otherwise its OK, joys of cars hey

[@SeasideGarage]

Mine has no unnatural vibrations.... but a 3 cylinder is always a bit shaky... :)

[@v8berenguer372]

Greetings from Portugal. My wife's Aygo had that exact noise and it was a stretched timing chain. The car has 180.000km. I think those 15.000km oil change intervals recommended by Toyota , probably were a bit too much... Anyway, I've installed a good quality timing chain kit, and problem solved.

[@SeasideGarage]

That is interesting! but it would not explain the oil usage... but it could be unrelated.. :)

[@v8berenguer372]

@@SeasideGarage well, I also replaced the valve stem seals. Because it was consuming about 1litre of oil every 1.000km. I did a compression test, and a leak down test, all perfect. And the cross hatch on cylinders were also perfect. So my bet was valve seals. And since I had to disassemble the engine I replaced the timing chain kit. It wasn't a fun job,but, the little Aygo now runs like new.

[@SeasideGarage]

@@v8berenguer372 thats great!! it could be the same story with mine.. :)

[@v8berenguer372]

@@SeasideGarage I hope it helps. I've only done all this work on this little car, because a used engine over here in Portugal, costs around 2.000 euros, plus install... And I've seen a Peugeot 107 with 280.000 km and a Citroen c1 with almost 350.000km... Witch I find amazing for such a small engine. So, I think it's worth the expense. As I said, I hope it helps. 👍

[@libborr]

I change oil every 3000km And i will change it every 2000km. 3 liters of oil is only 15 USD.

[@EnergyXyz]

Kører den stadig med tikkeriet, eller døde den og fik ny motor? 🙂

[@SeasideGarage]

Den køre simpelthen stadigvæk... den tikker og tikker og køre og køre.... det er helt utroligt... Olie forbruget er dog ved at være træls.

[@EnergyXyz]

@@SeasideGarage Det lyder super 👍 jeg har selv lige købt en med 219000km på tælleren, den tikker dog kun lidt ved koldstart. Et fantastisk lille stykke automobil 🙂

[@BrianSkov]

Jeg har en Aygo der har gået 112000 miles (180.000km). Den tikker også og bruger en del olie. Lyden går væk når den bliver varm. Får også jævnligt samme advarsel for catalytic system. Hvad er seneste status på din motor? jeg overvejede om det kunne være plejlstangslejet der er slidt?

[@SeasideGarage]

Det bliver værre og værre... Lyden er meget plejlstangs agtigt... Hvis den står af tænker jeg bestemt at åbne motoren og finde fejlen... Der er vist mange der bøvler med det .. Den ryger også.. så der må jo næsten også være noget med ringene... Lyden går næsten væk når den er varm..

[@mischiefgarage8882]

@@SeasideGarage Jeg skiftede plejlstangslejerne mens motoren var i bilen og det har hjulpet. Det største problem var at få bundkarret af. De to skruer inde i svinghjulet er ret svære at få ud. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHbdY56IqNiNaM0 Held og lykke med det :) Brian Skov

[@SeasideGarage]

@@mischiefgarage8882 spændende! Det må jeg lige se nærmere på! Tak

[@np4810]

Hvor mange kilometer har du kørt med det tikkeri der nu ? Min gør det samme og jeg har lige købt den og den har gået 120.000 så ville gerne høre om du tror den kan runde de 200.000 😂

[@SeasideGarage]

Den har kørt ca 80.000 med det... Tror ikke du skal være bekymret men hold øje med oliestanden.

[@MrGodsking]

timing chain tensioner

[@YouriDeKlusser]

Hi! My understanding is that the ticking noise is perfectly normal for these cars, also checkout this topic about it that I started: www.c1oc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13235

[@YouriDeKlusser]

Oh I haven't seen you reply about that it burns oil, that's too bad!

[@SeasideGarage]

Yes they are quite noisy in general... some say that its often the waterpump being noisy actually! But yes, I do think that mine suffers from something more severe.... it runs great tho ! :)

[@SeasideGarage]

pretty bad... ;)

[@dudurosca273]

Hello. Tiking noise...... about this'..........This engine was put in daihatsu sirion and cuore. Toyota aygo, peugeot 107 citroen c1 toyota yaris and few more. This noise it is a normal noise when the engine it is cold or when you accelarait . The noise it is from VVT_i , variable valve timing inteligense. The engine it is very smart, always try to have more power with low fuel, so do not worry. Sorry for my bad english. Regards from Romania !

[@SeasideGarage]

Yes they are known to make a ticking sound... But mine is really loud and I believe something more sinister is wrong with it... This is not my first C1 but my previous was way more silent ... and did not use as much oil... :)

[@dudurosca273]

@@SeasideGarage they the piston touch to much the cylinder....soo my advice try to buy another engine. Here in Romania i can find a engine with 150€. Or buy a Peugeot 107 like me :)

[@SeasideGarage]

@@dudurosca273 yes that or rod knock.. I am trying to find a cheap engine... But would like to find a low milage one :)

[@volt8684]

Lots of low mileage 1krfe engines for sale due to body write offs too. Around £300 will go forever zero rot

[@SeasideGarage]

Should be possible to find yes... :)

[@EnergyXyz]

Hej igen. Prøv lige med Shell V Power oktan 100 og noget brændstofrens (Lindemann) I tanken. Min 107 er helt holdt op med at tikke, selv når den er kold.

[@SeasideGarage]

Det er da et forsøg værd.. Men jeg tror nu ikke at det er injektorne der larmer...

[@EnergyXyz]

@@SeasideGarage Nej nok ikke, dog uden at gøre mig klog på det, så tror jeg måske nærmere det kan være den højere oktan , der forhindrer noget detonation. Jeg kan forstå, udefra det jeg har læst, at den motor regulerer lige til grænsen af detontion/tændingsbanken fordi den skal køre så økonomisk.

[@SeasideGarage]

@@EnergyXyz Spændende! Det lyder lidt usansynligt i mine øre, Men det skal da testes... :) Tak!

[@alfonzodavids3647]

it can be a bent connecting rod causing the tapping noise

[@SeasideGarage]

It could... I am pretty sure its either piston slap or the tappet that makes the bore oval and therefore rattles... If I swap the engine, i will make a video about finding the fault as it seems to be a very common issue.. :)

[@warrior29grom]

My toyota aygo is this same noise sound like diesel engine. What you says don't care you can buy engine for £200 one ebay drive till dead in my opinion .

[@nunoamador5864]

How Many kilometers in the car?

[@SeasideGarage]

180.000 ca

[@nunoamador5864]

@@SeasideGarage you already discover the problemand fixed it? Since when riding with that noise? Thanks and sorry for the bad english

[@SeasideGarage]

@@nunoamador5864 The problem is still there... i have not fixed it... I suspect either piston slap og worn out cam follower (the bore becomes oval) I think Im going to put another engine in it in the future, and try do find the error on the old. Its common for these engines to sound rough and tappy, and they can drive like that for many many miles... but mine is also using alot of oil! thats not good... If its not using oil, i would not worry about this sound... on this engine!.

[@nunoamador5864]

@@SeasideGarage how Many oil per 1000 kilometers? Mine was starting with that noise only, not so louder ,when pressing the acelarator

[@SeasideGarage]

@@nunoamador5864 mine is using around a liter pr 1000km. Dont worry to much... They are noisy engines :)

[@alellish9167]

Ha I thought you had a corvette c1!!!!!

[@SeasideGarage]

haha nope!

[@MauriceNL1]

i have to stop watching these videos. I see a lot of faults with the 1.0 3cil engines lol. My dad has one but still fine, not burning oil, no sludge, no ticking and pretty silent. Hope it will be good forever and not having these issues

[@SeasideGarage]

It seems that they go on for ever even tho they get noisy... so dont worry! ;)

[@sorenvoss]

Hvad tænker du at mit problem er ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIaaqYKoa89qb80

[@SeasideGarage]

Det er lidt svært at tyde lyd på videoer syntes jeg... Mange syntes at min lyder normalt på videoen, men det kan jeg garantere for at den ikke gør. Jeg kunne godt mistænke din for en utæthed ved catalysatoren, men det kan også være det samme som min, det lyder ret højt... Bruger den meget olie?

[@dudurosca273]

Hello. Tiking noise...... about this'..........This engine was put in daihatsu sirion and cuore. Toyota aygo, peugeot 107 citroen c1 toyota yaris and few more. This noise it is a normal noise when the engine it is cold or when you accelarait . The noise it is from VVT_i , variable valve timing inteligense. The engine it is very smart, always try to have more power with low fuel, so do not worry. Sorry for my bad english. Regards from Romania !

[@SeasideGarage]

Yes they are known to make a ticking sound... But mine is really loud and I believe something more sinister is wrong with it... This is not my first C1 but my previous was way more silent ... and did not use as much oil... :)

[@volt8684]

@@SeasideGarageif not the normal noise problem timing chain or cracked inlet manifold both known issues