Is Oatmeal Good for Weight Loss? | WEIGHT LOSS WEDNESDAY - Episode: 176

[@TjheChat53]

Chef AJ, your advice is powerful. Since reading your books and applying the information in them, I've gone from 208 lbs to 130 lbs and I'm still losing around a pound a week. As a 5 ft tall middle aged woman, I thought I would either die obese or have to starve myself to death. Thanks to you, I now eat an abundance of foods that I love while the fat melts off and I feel great. God bless you.

[@sherriemassad4095]

That’s outstanding! How wonderful! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😊😊😊

[@CHEFAJ]

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

[@Drysolutionsllc]

@@CHEFAJ Thanks again for all you do.

[@jackiesibblis3793]

Wowww congratulations

[@jgrysiak6566]

I was eating 6-8 times a day & the weight loss stalled. Now just eating brunch & dinner & mid afternoon snack only; finally lost the last 18 lbs after 3 yrs of frustration!

[@norak5767]

Great explanation Chef AJ! Brenda Davis' hierarchy of grains is a perfect resource. Thanks for being you!

[@susanjohnston4066]

Chef AJ, Not only are you an impressive resource for data-driven information about the impact of eating plants on health and weight loss, your gentle manner and amazing ability to clearly and easily articulate complex concepts makes you a unique gift to the world!

[@dianainboulder]

Thank you. I am female. I have struggled with food addiction and obesity. I am hypothyroid. I am post -menopausal. Your work has been very helpful in my journey. Thank you for your simple elegant clarification.

[@suzied.8301]

Great explanation......I can relate...… Thank You..... I have/had been eating greens with my breakfast every day for almost a month …...NOW I order my groceries online & I ran out of ALL veggies in the house !st time ever (only 2 days) ....I got my 1st produce box from misfits delivered to my doorstep yesterday....YAY I had Brussel sprouts with French fries this morning for breakfast..... I LOVE your book Secrets Ultimate weight loss THANK YOU chef AJ..... Stay safe...….I am down -40 lbs now...….

[@marge201]

I regularly wash thoroughly 1.5C oat groats, 1/4C wheat berries, and 1/4C unhulled sesame seeds and combine with 4C DIY veggie broth in a large steel bowl and put in a sling in the IP, HP 45M, NR. Even if the liquid is not all absorbed, it's fine and delicious. Mix well. In another large bowl I throw in 1 pound of soaked cannellini, garbanzos, sometimes black-eyed peas, cover by 1 inch fresh water, throw in tons of whatever spices you want, also IP 45M HP NR. A meal is a large bowl of a combo of both bowls with previously cooked in IP acorn squash, onions, garlic, mushrooms etc etc. I get maybe 6 meals out of this.

[@lizzzarduh]

Wow. You’re doing good. What do you mean by ‘put in a sling’?

[@jillt.3195]

Great information and perfect video length! I love golden nuggets of information in a shorter format such as this! I've ordered your weight loss book and should be receiving it this week!

[@dolores79]

Hi AJ, I love my oatmeal every morning...but I’m a savory girl. I use a mix of steel oats and 5 grain, usually a bunch of kale because it’s my favorite, smoked paprika, pepper, turmeric. After I cook, I add flax meal and chia seeds. This holds me for hours and is definitely my go to breakfast.

[@Mimulus2717]

Im a savory oat groat for breakfast too...I like them with steamed spinach, mushrooms and garnish with sprouts and kimchi. Yum!

[@rithvikkiran]

Thank you for making this amazing video Chef AJ! I think you did a wonderful job explaining how you feel about oatmeal and fruit in a nice, concise video!

[@mikefixac]

AJ, you're doing this because you want to help others. I appreciate that. I've been getting my oatmeal in 50 lb bags from Amazon I've just run out and went to Sprouts to try different grains. It's only been 2 days not eating my oats, which is my favorite meal (and you're right, it's like eating cake), but already I can tell a subtle difference. AJ, you're the best. I love this video, great job.

[@lydiablossoms8487]

Michael Crosby the subtle difference being loosing weight from abstention of oats ???

[@ellen3093]

You saying this about rolled oats made irritated at first, but eventually made me to switch to steel cut oats and I feel so much better! 😄

[@DebbieG89]

This is so helpful! I ate rolled oats and fruit for breakfast for months because the recipe was recommended by a plant-based group, but I did notice I did not feel full for more than a couple hours. I feel much better with veggies and hash browns. I have been curious about this as well since I heard you comment on it, so thanks, Chef AJ!

[@Nellie7777777]

Me too! I thought something was wrong with me at first until I saw this. I'm hungry within 2 hrs after oatmeal! For me, Potatoes stick with me for a good amount of time. Very filling 👌

[@MS-yt3xj]

Can you please share your veggies and hash brown recipe? I a having a hard time with breakfast.

[@gretchenburton7184]

Chef AJ. Will listen a couple more times. I am trying to figure out something to take with me when I go out for errands so I will avoid restaurants and junk food. Thank you so much. Food has been a devastating issue for many years and reasons.

[@jgrysiak6566]

I carry sweet potatoes & blueberries with me when I leave. Have them for brunch with hot ,fresh, coffee

[@melissacostello3000]

This video explains so much! I love raw oats but realize they aren't doing me any favors. I have been eating oatmeal, sometimes raw sometimes cooked, for breakfast everyday for almost a year. Switching it up tomorrow!

[@alecialv]

Chef AJ I love how you always do a great job explaining your point. I would love to see you in Dallas😋

[@GlennMarshallnz]

Rolled oats are the exact same as groats nutritionally wise. Rolled oats are simply oats groats that have been steamed and Rolled. Try half a cup of old fashioned rolled oats, 2 tablespoons chia, one cup unsweetened soy milk. Add these and soak overnight. Serve with a sliced up piece of fruit. The chia seeds provides fibre, protein, and healthy fats which provides satiety. Soy adds complete protein which also helps satiety. All the best.

[@Zemphira666]

Thank you for your thorough and deliberate explanation of this. I had honestly never thought of my mid-morning oats and blueberries this way. I might try switching things up a bit in the morning. Thank you again.

[@theresavandendriesche7673]

This is a fantastic video! Thank You! I have to admit that I’ve fought you in my head, saying I don’t want to eat vegetables for breakfast. But you are convincing me!! I’m appreciating you more and more everyday!!

[@lynn7348]

I thought it was a lil wierd to eat veggies for bkfst, but after a couple wks I enjoy them and look forward to it.

[@jgrysiak6566]

The only vegetable I ever ate for breakfast was a can of pumpkin! Now I skip breakfast & lost more weight

[@mary-ellenbrandt5233]

Chef AJ, I just adore you! Fantastic explanation! I can't wait for your new cookbook to come out :) PRO Oat Groat!!

[@fmradio42]

Thanks steel cut oats only takes one second soak overnight in water and salt next day bring to a boil for one second remove from stove cover with towels for 15 minutes done when I get tired of eating steel cut oats for breakfast I make a creamy vegetables mushrooms avocado bean tomato potato soup.

[@TalentBBY]

Well explained! I always learn something new from you, Chef!

[@angelau1194]

I love oat groats wouldn't go back to rolled oats for quids and yes savoury oats are delish especially with savoury yeast : ) You look lovely in purple AJ. Stay safe! Love from Australia X

[@joanknauer2097]

Your explanation of oatmeal is like eating cake has been the eye opener for me to finally realize I have food addictions. I have, thanks to you, renewed my mind and am following your UWL with commitment to VFB. I came to realize no nuts, seeds or nut butters, either. Thank you so much for all you share. I was really struggling. Now I have simplified everything. Only completed 2 days so far.

[@Laila-xb9gs]

Thank you so much for this video! I'm going to make the switch and see if it helps me get off of my current plateau. I genuinely appreciate your dedication to providing this type of information, I learn something new from your videos all the time!

[@annah5432]

Yes! This explains so much for me. I can eat a lot of rolled oats and still be hungry a short time later... I was shocked when I looked up the calories. They also make me over eat and want more.

[@lydiablossoms8487]

Yea even though they’re healthy they are a trigger food for me in cookies even the chef aj ones so no more baking however if I cook 1/2 cup in water that fills me up and I know I’ve only had 150 cals

[@taliarappatone636]

Amazing answer to this question!!! This is an amazing response, blending personal expertise with science! Hale Kale Queen. 😀

[@dic2504]

Thank you for this video! You are so kind in your explanation. I agree 100% with this information!! Savory breakfast for me, starting tomorrow.

[@lydiablossoms8487]

Thank you so much chef aj for all you do I cannot wait to celebrate with you when I reach my goal of 130. I know that’s just going to be the beginning as I’ve never maintained my goal before and only hit my goal two years ago after a 37 day water fast! I replied to your reply and I truly appreciate your reply. Your time and input is sooo valuable and I can’t wait to buy your next book in the fall God willing

[@MS-yt3xj]

37 day water fast! Unimaginable to me. Maybe AJ can bring you on to talk about it.

[@savedbygrace1582]

I add 1/2 grated apple and some cinnamon to cook my oatmeal. After it's cooked, I chop the other 1/2 apple and add it to my oatmeal.

[@leperez333]

Thanks for the further explanation, Chef AJ. I'm a very strong food addict. I can't eat any flour-based products, but for some reason, the small quantity of rolled oats doesn't stimulate cravings. However, you make a lot of sense and I'm getting inspired to try more savory breakfasts. Thank you for your caring and contributions to healthful eating!!

[@CHEFAJ]

Lisa Perez even if you have to eat them with fruit why not eat the whole grain?

[@lizanelson3296]

Thank you. This explains my cravings for most of the day yesterday after having a particularly sweet (much sweeter than normal) smoothie for breakfast.

[@Laura-ch7fl]

Thanks Chef AJ! This was so informative! You are so kind to spread your knowledge.

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank you!

[@Atheria444]

I'm one of those weird people who used to eat rolled oats, cooked in water, with just cinnamon and vegan protein powder. I wouldn't add any sweeteners. My blood sugar doesn't love oatmeal, though, sadly, so I don't eat it often now.

[@lydiablossoms8487]

Wow so your saying your blood sugar is still affected with oats cooked in water without any sweeteners ? Could there be sweet things in your vegan processed powder? I think ao

[@danakirk1945]

Your suggestion to break my fast with savory helped me a lot!

[@NancyCronk]

Wonderful advice. Thank you.

[@jezbarnett8630]

I found this super informative thankyou. I trail run and find when eating a huge bowl of quick oats (in water) im ravenous within 2hrs... usually just before i start my run, im someone that loves savory & asian dishes might trial a switch up fpr brekkie for a while, love these type of videos thanks again 😁👍

[@catherinekim8247]

Hi Chef AJ today, I literally toasted just the oats, nothing else but oats then put it into my plant based no sugar yogurt it was SOOOOO nutty and creamy!!! Killed all my nut cravings!

[@CHEFAJ]

Great!

[@Equinox1.5]

Very interesting about toothsomeness and glycaemic index. I have always found porridge made from rolled oats very unsatisfying for breakfast. I am invariably ravenous a couple of hours later. I am not diabetic but I suspect I am insulin resistant and it precipitates a real sugar dip. I love savoury food, so I'm going to try vegetables and starch for breakfast instead. Thank you, Chef AJ! Great video.

[@CHEFAJ]

Thank you for saying this!!! There is bio-individuality and what is healthy and satisfying for one isn't always the truth for another. People accused me of being "anti-Essesltyn" (who I ADORE and who wrote the foreword to my book) because he eats rolled oats for breakfast. But he has never been overweight or suffered from food addictions. While some believe that breakfast is the most important meal of the day, there are healthy breakfast other than rolled oats and fruit.

[@Equinox1.5]

@@CHEFAJ I absolutely agree with you there. There are many breakfast options in the world, most of which are savoury - which I much prefer, even from a taste perspective - and articulating your experience with oats, and those of other people (especially, perhaps, women, whose bodies are different) does not make you anti-Esselstyn. People can become too caught up with following one authority to the letter, without accounting for individual difference, as wonderful as Dr Esselstyn is. Even if our natural diet as a species is plant-based, we DO have individual imbalances that need to be addressed in different ways, brought about by our current and former food environments and our inheritance. I have always had a problem with oats for breakfast but felt I 'should' be eating them for their health benefits. Now I feel liberated from that, so thank you! I was also struck by your comment on gender differences, which I hadn't considered before in this regard but which makes sense to me. I also found Cyrus and Robbie's comments on oats and insulin resistance a lightbulb moment.

[@ErickRaffai]

I love you so much. What a beautiful post about oats. I just discovered Oats groats... ❤️❤️👌Chef AJ

[@lynn7348]

Thanks AJ, you are brilliant! I'm going to scope out my grocery stores to find oat groats.

[@YouLookSoHappy]

Excellent, AJ. You explained it well.

[@naymalg7945]

but eating about 500g sweet potate my blood glucose goes one hour 161mg|dl...2hours after 125mg|dl It is a process get to be pacient....but i understand cut fat!!!!from brasil.

[@JG-qp3be]

I am pre diabetic. I eat all kinds of vegetables and did really good, then one day I decided to put a baked potato with the veggies, and my blood sugar went up to 174. Does that mean that I won’t be able to do this way of eating? Soo sad if soo

[@amandascolor679]

Always great information Chef AJ!! Thank you 😃

[@Hihihi7815]

I’m trying gain weight!! lol can we have a weight gain episode I became sos due to health reason I always have been small but I’d like to gain more any suggestions?

[@alexl3041]

This is interesting. I wish I could eat oats for breakfast but I can't. I have eaten up to 800 calories of oats and toppings and I still within an hour and I am ravenous. I have always been healthy weight and I am healthy as far as I know. I have tried different grains such as amaranth but it is still a sweet breakfast and while it is better it isn't good enough. This morning I am having a breakfast inspired by your interview with Dr. Neal Barnard: tofu and steamed kale.

[@Honeyman126]

Alexandra Lancaster Hi Alexandra have you tried putting a small amount of oil drizzled on top ? The oil will help you stay full longer .

[@alexl3041]

@@Honeyman126 no I haven't. I don't really eat oil. I have tried nut butter though and there is no difference.

[@gailgrieco1781]

Alexandra Lancaster move up to at least steel cut oats. Oat groats are even a better option. I make with water, no fruit, however, I do add chia seeds and ground flax. You can add hemp seed as well. These seeds add nutritional value, protein and help keep you feeling full longer. Also adding greens, especially to oat groats, makes it more savory and filling like Chef AJ said. Only on a very rare occasion, I will have a morning or so that I feel a little hungry not too long after breakfast. I go for my morning walk and I always have a banana when I’m done. Some people add mashed banana or peanut butter to the oatmeal when cooking to increase the calories and stay fuller longer. Note, calories and fat in peanut butter can add up very quickly especially if trying to lose weight. I like to eat through out the day so I’d rather have banana etc after breakfast as a snack before lunch. Keeps my belly happy and energy level going.

[@Atheria444]

I DEFINITELY need a big dose of vegan protein for breakfast or my blood sugar is weird all day. I currently like pea protein powder.

[@ellen3093]

I switched to steel cut oats which solved that problem for me. It's also the time factor that helps, because you have time to register the breakfast before you would have been able to cook more oats. I used to just pop it in the microwave, too easy, now I have to soak my portion overnight and cook on the stove.

[@lydiablossoms8487]

I’m at 148 now down from 165 . Thanks for sharing what you eat for breakfast, now different from zucchini? Can you share what you eat for lunch if your breakfast is Hannah yams and broccoli? Many many thanks

[@CHEFAJ]

I have only ever eaten 2 meals a day. The second meal is also starch and veggies with fruit for dessert.

[@lydiablossoms8487]

CHEF AJ thank you so much ! I have been trying to restrict my carbs to half a potato a day plus 1/2 cup of oats for my dessert as the last thing I eat but it back fired on me yesterday after doing this for about 4 weeks and as I made your oat cookies for my children I ended up having about 10 because I was ravenous by 9pm last night and overnight I out in 2.5 lbs! I really need to follow now what you do and that really helps. I was eater fasting on and off to help speed up my journey to my goal of 130 so today I’m at 150.9 I do weigh in everyday at the moment thanks chef aj I’ll let you know how I get on following what you’ve just shared with me here! I hope I can give up my 1/2 cup oats cooked in water which I was having with one cup frozen blueberries but I’m really not sure. Definitely though oat meal cookies are a trigger for me that I now know!!!

[@laurad7439]

I love my oats and have them every morning, maybe that's my issue for not losing weight. I am going to see if stopping that helps me lose weight. Been so struggling for years. I have been having veggies for breakfast for weeks and then steel cut oats. No movement on the scale. I lose and gain the same 2 pounds. have your book and I have been doing everything you say in your book -- but maybe I need to stop with the steel cut oats and see what happens.

[@dianadesilva4877]

Chef AJ, I feel guilty sometimes when I eat my steel cut oatmeal with blueberries for breakfast, because you once said you wish people would get away from oatmeal altogether. I tried to give it up, but my energy & running performance isn't as good as when I have a serving of oatmeal. I have listened to you though, about eating more vegetables. By the way, thanks for having your book printed in German.

[@CHEFAJ]

Diana DeSilva if it’s working for you why feel guilty?

[@dianadesilva4877]

@@CHEFAJ I guess I took it literally that it was not good for me. But, I have no problem eating oats just plain with water and no fruit. I only add fruit for vitamins. I call myself Plain Jane when it comes to my meals. Lol. My downfall was eating quantities of ice cream, donuts, bread, cookies, pie and real cake. I still crave those when my running crew brings them after running or at races with the treats. But, thanks to you, I've gone from 157lbs to 117lbs in the past 18 months.

[@beckyquick4025]

Just curious, how many potatoes , sweet potatoes do you eat in a day? will you eat both those sweet potatoes and broccoli in one meal? great video!

[@CHEFAJ]

becky quick that is one serving I eat as much as I want until full I don’t weigh and measure my food

[@jgrysiak6566]

Finally got off the dry rolled oats & sliced bananas! I quit eating breakfast! Lost the last 17 lbs!

[@CHEFAJ]

Fantastic!

[@LSArmitage]

Oat groats taste SO much better than rolled oats!

[@Jenny-nz5fh]

Amen AJ. Oats and fruit are definitely like cake to me, so I need to stick with vegetables for breakfast in order to quash food cravings.

[@AH-cy4md]

One hour to cook oat groats? Hmm.... I cook my oat groats in water, like pasta, with a pretty high ratio of water to oat groats, and they’re done in about 30-35 minutes. I drain off the excess water. They seem totally done. Like brown rice (which I also cook this way). The grains are only slightly sticking together. I cook extra and refrigerate the leftovers and they reheat well. Yum! Maybe it’s the extra water, I can boil them, while with less water it’s a simmer, a lower cooking temperature?

[@elizabethlarke4738]

Chef AJ, do you actually eat dessert other than say, fruit? I’ve seen many of your wonderful recipes and wonder it you actually partake?

[@CHEFAJ]

Rarely. There is an old saying in addiction circles "Don't get high on your own supply" Just because they are SOFAS free does not make them CALORIE free. In fact, they are quite calorically dense. So no, hardly ever.

[@florence647]

Love you Chef AJ . Thank you all you do for us..

[@amandarossouw493]

Why am I always hungry two hours after eating a starch vegetables meal? Brown rice and broccoli (a pound of broccoli)

[@RafaelbySuzannah]

That was just excellent. I've been using oatmeal and banana like dessert it's so delicious to me it taste like a dessert and now I understand why I'm going to Amazon right now to order my first groats ever!

[@followingthestarchsolution8618]

I'm confused where smoothies/date shakes you've been making comes in compared to rolled oats and fruit. Doug Lisle and Jeff Novick talk about the calorie density of food being higher when blended than in a whole state, yet you're making pistachio ice cream, date shakes with almond milks etc . IMHO, that is far more likely to keep someone craving high calorie dense and processed foods than rolled oats and fruit. Which BTW, blending any food makes it processed. Steaming and flattening an oat groat, while is still processing, is still a whole food. And they don't dissipate in liquid, they absorb the liquid. Take a couple of rolled oats and put some water on them. Watch what happens. Now take flour and pour some water on it. What happens? Big difference between the two. Plus fruit and oats, the fruit is whole and intact.

[@CHEFAJ]

Following The Starch Solution pour water on rolled oats and they dissolve. Any sweet recipe I do IS DESSERT! I’m certainly not recommending it for breakfast.

[@kencarey3477]

I gained weight on steel cut oats. I lost weight on rolled overnight oatmeal. People make pancakes out of potatoes. Are potatoes like eating pancakes?

[@caroline61804]

Well... , It did certainly taste like cake! Loved it

[@lovplants]

Hey, thanks for the video. Where can we buy the german version of the book?

[@CHEFAJ]

www.narayana-verlag.com/Das-Erfolgsrezept-fuer-ultimatives-Abnehmen-Glen-Merzer-Abbie-Jaye-Chef-AJ/b24868?keywords=chef+aj

[@julierowe102]

Thank you !

[@nomad9338]

I eat normal porridge oats with water and fruit and I feel so full, I can't eat anything else for hours.

[@lydiablossoms8487]

My only worry is oat groats are very high calorie dense for a very small anlint 1/4 cup is higher calorie that 1/2 instant oats. If calories matter how can oat groats be better for weight loss? Have I missed something or is it all to do with how the body breaks it down. I mean I won’t be full on 1/4 cup of oat groats....? Help

[@CHEFAJ]

Lydia Blossoms have you read my book? You can also join my group for free for two weeks and asked me unlimited questions there I can’t give long answers on KZbin thank you

[@lydiablossoms8487]

CHEF AJ hi ok I have read unprocessed and the secrets to ultimate weight loss. I purchased them both in April 2020. Ok I will join xx

[@shaynek.3806]

Thank you AJ great explanation. I love oat groats I use them as rice also so yummy ;-)

[@lydiablossoms8487]

Hi I eat my steel cut oats in water every time and have only one fruit

[@rrhodes7594]

Good info!!

[@missiris1234]

I eat rolled oats and blueberries but it doesn’t keep me satisfied long. Can you explain this?

[@CHEFAJ]

I thought I did in this video :)

[@cherylatkins7600]

Hallelujah!

[@thepersonisone]

All carbs turn to sugar

[@kencarey3477]

I also eat a huge raw green salad before I eat oatmeal

[@lzshow]

Do u ever put frozen fruits in oats?

[@dianadesilva4877]

I do. I use frozen wild blueberries. Delicious

[@michelesimko7541]

Can not eat beans of any kind or dates. Hard to imagine

[@caroline61804]

The vitamix can break!???

[@CHEFAJ]

I would imagine it could...

[@naymalg7945]

i guess adictted peanut butter...12 days without it...eating purple sweet potate....i say to me all time not buy fat PB!!!!!!

[@deborahgray2255]

Oat groats are the best

[@dianadesilva4877]

I have to try those!

[@gardenboots7464]

Very informative. Thank you :)

[@Tam438]

I see oatmeal as a carrier for sugar and oil...that's it...without the maple syrup, almond butter, coconut milk etc, it's just 'gruel'...there's no point to it, no one eats oatmeal for the lovely taste of the gruel, it's what you add to it...yes, just like cake! gooey, sticky, stodgy, sweet...

[@carl13579]

@Peter the Sarcastic Rabitt Me too. So does Caldwell Esselstyn, the "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease" doctor.

[@dianadesilva4877]

I only use water in my steel cut oats, with sprinkled cinnamon & fruit either shredded apples or frozen wild blueberries.

[@CHEFAJ]

Tammi Cottingham I have not met the person who eats oats cooked in water. They have to add fruit, fruit juice or a higher fat plant milk. People love them because they are almost 20% fat. Most other grains are only 1% fat

[@Tam438]

@@CHEFAJ Hmm....didn't know that...

[@nettierose4915]

CHEF AJ I do this. I cook my rolled oats in water and eat them plain. I am not a food addict. However, I eat plenty of fruit for breakfast but I eat in courses and the fruit comes first. However, after watching this video I am going to switch to steel cut oats. Will have to experiment and see how this works in terms of cooking time. Maybe I can cook them the night before in my instant pot.

[@KaroAdC]

And what about white rice? Whole China is having them multiple times per day???

[@CHEFAJ]

KaroAdC perfect for many, others might do better with Brien rice, millet of a starch like beans or sweet potatoes

[@michelesimko7541]

Can not eat oAtmeal. Have gastroporesis

[@kencarey3477]

I don't even cook them ! Overnight oatmeal with fresh berries. That all

[@stayingsimple9072]

But Hannah yams are sweet ?

[@CHEFAJ]

stayingsimple not as sweet as fruit and not when you eat them with vegetables

[@SSSyndrome214]

Tell 'em, Chef AJ!

[@maryerickson9852]

Would it be better to have oatmeal later in the day?

[@CHEFAJ]

Mary Erickson it’s better to have oat groat than steel cut it rolled regardless of time

[@plantplottersparadise4005]

Here is the video on hierarchy of grains by Brenda Davies: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJype42LfrqYe6M.