Is Online Politics Worthwhile? - Discussion with Booksmarts

[@subzoronltd7779]

It could be that you've just outgrown the internet politics people. A lot of twitch are college people/in their 20s, maybe you need to start talking to older academics, politicians, people in industry etc.

[@jeanlucbergman479]

It comes with its own set of problems. If you know people in academia, you'll find out fairly quickly that they aren't individual paragons of reason, they are just as irrational, opinionated and ideological as anyone else. The difference is they're better at logical argument, sourcing information and doing so with a level of coherence and intelligence. Destiny has had people like Michael Albert on before and the reality is they sound like a more intelligent but equally idiotic, deluded versions of the people he might debate on KZbin or Twitch. I think most of the Bernie or Busters are morons, but on certain issues they're totally right and the establishment is grossly negligent on providing social services efficiently and through avenues that aren't corrupt. Asking senators or partisan academics isn't going to get you a better answer than the screaming socialist on a lot of issues.

[@kamaincgaming3954]

Jean Luc Bergman yuuuuuuuuu

[@BookSmarts]

This is a pretty good insight and I'd generally agree. It may just be time to stick with older, experienced folks who are more grounded in general. At work I'm used to speaking with professors and business dudes who are older; those conversations are usually a pleasure!

[@subzoronltd7779]

@@jeanlucbergman479 yep that's very true (I know this first hand from my parents), and the same is very true for experienced people in industry and politicians too, and for basically all humans really. But they do have the added advantage of having spent long periods of time studying/working with their ideas, so they have far more experience and knowledge than 99.99% of internet politics people in their area of expertise, even if they have their own biases. Imo it would be cool to see destiny morph his content into like the dave rubenstein show type of interviews with experts and highly accomplished people. I'm sure he would get a lot of personal satisfaction from what he learns from the conversations, and it would be a good stepping stone into more mainstream media too, but I guess it's probably not as interesting to the average under 30 twitch/youtube viewer.

[@subzoronltd7779]

@@BookSmarts agreed, plus I think there's a market there for kind of a millennial/gen z appealing show/stream with interviewing/debating experts/politicians that is more in depth philosophically and factually than joe rogan or Dave rubin. Low key would think that would be super interesting, though I totally get it if it's not as fun for him as pwning the internet politic scrubs.

[@TheSandwichmann]

I ate a really good BLT sandwich with streaky bacon, iceberg lettuce, tomato slices, and rye bread. When making a BLT, make sure you cook the bacon till crisp for maximum flavor. Cut your tomatoes into big slices, cut your lettuce, and make sure you toast your bread until it's light brown. Then top it all together and there you go! I hope you all get to eat a really good sandwich as well!

[@Tocinos]

I prefer pulling lettuce apart very thin with some fatass beefsteak tomato with some thicc bread

[@TerribleTeammates]

Need mayo or some condiment and maybe pepper. Are we going to talk what flavor bacon or just good ol fashioned bacon?

[@josephschofield2601]

@Mitch Lang not for me. I read the comments to learn what sandwich he ate.

[@Awaken_To_0]

@Mitch Lang It's wholesome and educational.

[@TheSandwichmann]

@Mitch Lang I sure hope not! But if it is then that's ok, I just like to spread the word about different sandwiches to all!

[@Jade-qm5wo]

Watching booksmarts chatting with destiny vs watching booksmarts on his stream is like if you are an adult and go out drinking and see your respectable teacher out partying or something.

[@gkrtv6496]

I had a teacher who bought me shots once. That was spiritual.

[@BookSmarts]

I love this

[@Jade-qm5wo]

Book Smarts I’ve missed your last few streams 😭 (my name is usually androider or some variation of it) I think twitch hates me it hadn’t been notifying me if you’ve been streaming, maybe I accidentally unfollowed idk.

[@BookSmarts]

@@Jade-qm5wo no worries! Probably just some casual conspiracy to keep me out of people's feeds /s I'll work on posting more KZbin stuff so everyone gets it ♥️

[@Jade-qm5wo]

Book Smarts it’s most definitely a conspiratorial effort to keep the booksmarts quiet

[@bobDotJS]

I've come to believe that I inherently disagree with Destiny about a few fundamental beliefs, but listening to him lately has absolutely helped me to understand left-leaning political issues and views in a way that previously I never heard broken down in a reasonable way. The topics where I don't agree with Destiny are pretty much all personal things where I can believe what I want, he can believe what he wants and our beliefs will never clash in the real world unless we go out of our ways to be assholes to each other. His videos have helped me to question my own beliefs and come up with a moral framework that my beliefs can be challenged with. So when he asks at the beginning of the video "how do you change someone's mind?" I think that it differs heavily depending on who you're referring to. My mind can always be changed anytime I hear a good argument for something. If people refuse to have their minds changed and actually challenge their beliefs, those are usually the people who clash with everyone else the hardest in my opinion. I don't need a friend to change my mind, I just need a rational argument that's based in reality. I'm really interested to know if this is how most people feel or if that friendship argument is a lot more important than I'm giving it credit for. I think that if you need a friend to slowly encourage you to believe something, that feels to me like you're not willing to question your beliefs. I don't know if that's fair for me to say or not.

[@tedisaksson93]

I doubt most people think they need a friend to change their opinion, just about everyone believes that they will change their mind if they're presented with a rational argument, however they then reject anything that doesn't align with their views as something that's not rational, so saying that you need a rational argument based in reality to change your mind might be a statement worth reflecting on, how often do you change your mind based on arguments based on reason instead of emotion? Not trying to be mean! Just reflecting on the nature of discourse!

[@bobDotJS]

@@tedisaksson93 I don't think that's mean.

[@stephenH3369]

A friend has to change the mind of someone who isn't willing to listen or challenge their views. People are more understanding and open and willing to listen when they have a personal connection to the person they're talking to. It feels like a large majority of people are not willing to look outside of there beliefs or challenge themselves with debate, 40/20/40 ya know

[@AnimeFan9833]

"My mind can always be changed anytime I hear a good argument for something. ", I'd like to believe the same thing but I don't think that's actually true for anyone. Nobody is perfectly rational and people don't always present good arguments with the perfect rhetorical package. We're all human and just being a little hungry can already impede even the smartest person's ability to rationally think about a given issue. Now there are people who are absolutely irrational, who don't care whether they're right or don't even consider that they could be wrong. People like this never picked up the habit of questioning themselves. Yet if you asked them wether they think that they're rational, they'd answer "Yes" with the same confidence and certainty as you might. I think we can never truly know this about ourselves, we can only try our best to make sure that our conclusions on important matters are logically consistent and always malleable through new information. That, in my opinion requires a healthy awareness of our own limits and flaws.

[@BubblegumCrash332]

Just saying, these timestamps are amazin

[@AlexandreLemay64]

Needs "destiny whines on SC2 races" timestamps

[@SuperLotus]

No Vaush timestamp tho 🤔

[@fgc_kaiser172]

It really seems like online politics takes a toll on people

[@strajkz]

Man, it always impresses me how he can play an RTS at a high ladder and having an actual conversation and being able to articulate everything so flawlessly. When I play a game, I literally have to stop thinking about it to present any type of argument, unless it's a casual game that doesn't require that much concentration.

[@HK-th1sw]

I think that being open to new ideas and viewpoints is an extremely underrated quality and y’all should be proud of that. It shows a good degree of emotional intelligence

[@santiagoley6403]

The way I view this problem at this point is that it's rooted on ego, and the solution is a rethorical friendly way for people to learn to be self aware when their ego feels threatened. No amount of logic seems to work when someone is immature and is feeling threatened by the idea of them being wrong.

[@m.czandogg9576]

On top of that the people who are debating having thousands of eyes on them, probably exacerbating the issue.

[@m.czandogg9576]

@? Cringe

[@qwerty1233787]

booksmarts is a real one

[@milogoodfellow8310]

lmfao, I am surprised to see you here.

[@HK-th1sw]

I think a lot of people are afraid of not having all the answers. Like they’re afraid of being wrong or not knowing something someone else knows or has experienced - especially if they’re arguing with that person. We should be learning from the Ls we take but instead people are quick to get mad about em

[@calebmorris2137]

I love booksmarts so much honestly

[@Zonno5]

Check out his YT channel. He has really good breakdown videos.

[@calebmorris2137]

@@Zonno5 yea I watch his content a lot especially yt

[@BookSmarts]

widepeepoHappy /

[@JeremyAFischer]

if you can follow booksmarts on KZbin and twitch let's show him some support from the community

[@xaviersgiantego1453]

Our anger translator is now sad ;.;

[@swatchcovers5401]

Almost everything from everyone politically is mostly rhetoric at this point. It’s kind of annoying.

[@Zhyro00]

it kinda is, but then again, politics is about convincing people of things they dont usually understand, the average voter doesnt have the time or interest to learn about everything they vote on, so rhetoric is the only real way to make any real change

[@swatchcovers5401]

@@Zhyro00 very true. I’ve been just feeling a bit past that lately. At this point it’s a lot of hearing the same people saying the same things over and over again.

[@ambatukoom]

@@Zhyro00 True but it's gotten to the point where people are arguing facts rather than opinions like with covid for example. It's way too easy to spread misinformation.

[@Zhyro00]

@@ambatukoom people lying for political gain and straight up denying facts has happened since the beginning of human civilization, its not new, just easier to do and easier to see.

[@Hooga89]

That's because none of the power really lies in the political system, it's in the economy. The reason politics is a circus is precisely because it's there for show.

[@Maelthorn1337]

Dude needs to stop increasing the sharpness on Destiny's face by %500 on the thumbnails, lol.

[@Jade-qm5wo]

YO two of my fave boys.

[@enochannor6550]

@EdgyDegenerate666 i like trains

[@BookSmarts]

widepeepoHappy

[@VoxAcies]

The twitch crowd is not the brightest, that's for sure. I can totally see why Booksmarts might be frustrated with it.

[@LonnyH]

Sounds to me like Destiny needs to start having conversations with the actual Ben Shapiros, Jordan Petersons, Sam Harrises, and Yaron Brookses of the world instead of watching videos they make and arguing about the ideas in them with other people.

[@LonnyH]

@fez! I could see Yaron Brook doing it to promote his podcast. Destiny could literally just call into Ben's show if he really wanted to lol

[@broken_abi6973]

Jordan Peterson would be a terrible candidate. Jordan Peterson's knowledge of politics and philosophy is too basic to debate Destiny, and Destiny's knowledge of psychology would be too basic to debate Jordan Peterson.

[@LonnyH]

@@broken_abi6973 you could say the same thing about Dr. K but they had a great conversation, right?

[@broken_abi6973]

@@LonnyH good point

[@Visitant69]

Sometimes people withhold details about themself until they feel comfortable enough with someone to share that detail. That girl might not have felt comfortable expressing that she likes Hanz Zimmer until she knew more about you. Much in the same way that you wouldn't get into a conversation with someone you don't know very well and lead off with your sexual habits. Her comfort zone might have been drawn smaller as to what she's willing to talk about without a certain level of comfort. It doesn't mean she doesn't have a strong forceful personality. It just means that she isn't going to engage without achieving a level of comfort. Another example would be some people can hop into bed with anyone. Others need to achieve a level of comfort before they are willing to engage sexually. Both people could be fucking animals in the sack. Just because someone won't fuck strangers doesn't mean they don't have a strong sexuality.

[@milosbilanovic4842]

Its so sad seeing good political commentators actually giving up because social climate isnt favoring their ideology free, more rational approach...

[@hectoralarcon4888]

Its kinda cool that Vaush and Natalie had the same conversation about lefties and their communities. Good stuff

[@madeye0]

you change people's mind by hearing them out, you have to give them your attention first and then they are often willing to reciprocate

[@sk8n854]

My favorite is hearing "Google is bias so why would I Google something?"

[@bennymountain1]

@World Academy Of Music bruh, stick to music.

[@Katoothitra]

Regarding the discussion at around 48:00 about getting educated people on the show to talk about stuff, Kimberly from the youtube channel For Harriet has been doing this for a while. She's had an array of experts come on to her show for interviews and discussions on all kinds of political issues. There were a lot who came on during the height of the George Floyd protests and they all had really interesting perspectives. Maybe the format she uses is something Destiny can try to emulate.

[@lfricmunuc4534]

Debate was destinyed in this destroy.

[@asimplewizard]

Nope. Sorry. Destroyed destiny debate this in got.

[@marcosa2000]

Destroy got DEBATED in this destiny

[@PitchBlackYeti]

Destiny: *stops talking to focus on the game* Me: "sh*t just got real"

[@spht9ng]

Tbh i don't give a shit about any of the games Destiny plays and I just tune out so when that happens, it feels so awkward.

[@Aeruthus]

@@spht9ng Same. Feels like a weird ad that I have to decide if I want to skip through or just ignore it till it's over.

[@rreeeekk]

This was a good conversation

[@Ilovetomcruise2]

One of the best convos you've had recently

[@Frosty-oj6hw]

I feel like the discussion on politics online in these kind of longer form and intelligent formats will quickly spiral into the meta of politics. Which is where I felt I've arrived at about 2-3 years ago. The best thing I can recommend to expose the meta is watch Jordan Peterson psychology lectures from the UofT. He discusses psychometrics the science of measuring traits in humans, and you can learn about the big 5 personality model, how peoples biology informs their personality and how their personality informs their political viewpoints. People overwhelmingly vote their temperament that's especially true as you get older. Once you start to accept that people are naturally different and some fundamental arguments just come down to preference rather than an objectively true argument then you can move past this goal of how it's best to influence peoples opinions and decisions. Especially when you come to accept that your preference itself is not objectively right in any sense, it's just what appeals most to you and feels right. Feelings being the basis for morality and another good person to read/watch on this is Jonathan Haidt on his moral foundations theory showing how (like personality) morals can in some sense naturally differ. It also helps to learn that there's a proper place for both sides, when you tie these ideas into evolutionary psychology you realize there's probably a reason for this divide, and it's because as groups (tribes/civilizations) we benefit by having people of different temperaments, it makes us stronger collectively. You stop seeing people on the other side of the aisle as bad people or wrong people and simply there to be a counter to people on your side of the aisle, that the balance in maintaining both has this meta benefit of keeping society stable while making progress and not devolving into hell. That's where i'd like to see these kinds of discussions go, and get away from this kinda dumb idea of whats the best way to convince people of my particular ideology or idea, when a lot of times those things are just preferences. Who you live around, what culture you like or tolerate, the values you prefer or tolerate, the religion, the ideas, the traditions, all that stuff, most of it really is just preference. I think accepting that woudl lead to a de-escallation of the polarization we're seeing in politics, which would be a good thing as polarization can lead to instability long term.

[@thelax5311]

The doomer arc is contagious.

[@eahere]

Wtf is that build in the ZvZ match? He doesn't take a third, doesn't invest into tech, like wtf is the plan?

[@speedfastman]

Boomer Steve's stuck in his WoL mindset.

[@elephantman2854]

Look man, everyone already knows the answer to this question. It's never has been, not ever will be.

[@jessiejoy1703]

Booksmarts should accompany destiny in every debate from now on

[@Dragonite43]

Honestly, I don't really do much research on current events, just because new information comes to light and the information we have is all about speculation with some red herrings and some things we thought were true but is actually wrong, etc. I honestly wait for about a year or so after an event has passed for the true story to get revealed, instead of giving myself a headache worrying about this fact or that fact.

[@zacharywoodford8530]

It absolutely is. Whether anyone believes it or not there is a massive amount of people who exclusively get their news from social media and youtube

[@Hashslingingslasher-]

For entertainment? Yes. For change? Nay.

[@Dhruvbala]

The drama in this community is far too toxic

[@MD-mc9xw]

Supa homosexual

[@toddpacker4683]

@Andrew Baxter and also white

[@12Arrancar]

What chomsky debate is he referring to?

[@OpethTheater3]

as a destiny watcher and alt right delight, i can appreciate that destiny will call out the left on their cringe ducking of the hunter biden stuff.

[@TheFreshTrumpet]

there are elements of the hunter biden situation that are absolutely sketchy, but not in any way that suggests Joe Biden did anything wrong. That New York Post story in particular is a pretty laughable nothingburger, if anything that weakened the few legit Hunter Biden attacks that the Trump campaign had

[@SW-et4zb]

I tried emailing Destiny but he didn’t respond. I always wondered how people like him, Vaush, contrapoints etc. were so cognizant of economics, politics, philosophy, etc as relatively young people. Was it pure book reading or reading countless papers and articles online? Anybody?

[@BKrandy0]

doubt it was the books because I read the books and I don't agree with them

[@xaviersgiantego1453]

For destiny, it's curiosity. He dropped out of music college, all his knowledge comes from his 'natural' desire to just know stuff. If you are interested in these topics, there are free online courses that Universities have released, pick up a Econ 101 course if you want, read wikipedia on topics, get books on Philosophy, it's seems really hard at the start but after sometime you will feel like you're piecing all these information together and there's always something to learn in all these topics. So if you enjoy learning stuff, try these venues.

[@SW-et4zb]

@@xaviersgiantego1453 yeah that’s what I was thinking too. Thanks man. Did he ever mention what he did when researching? I do remember in one of his “race realism” debates, he mentioned taking some free “heritability” online course from Harvard university.

[@xaviersgiantego1453]

docs.google.com/document/d/1Xo_cVn-tMwr2ocnPmiUhbuSnILKXdLCiDHEjlUKI2Z8/edit?usp=sharing here is an example

[@Teej_0]

Destinies voice is IN SPACE!!!!!

[@spennythespoo]

I feel really dumb not understanding what they're talking about :(

[@earlminnie283]

You're not dumb buddy is was a very general chat that would make much more sense if you've listened to more of their interaction. If you haven't it would make sense that you're not following

[@andrewholmes5392]

What is the chompsky video destiny referenced? I'm interested in watching that

[@marcosa2000]

I believe it is his debate with brianna joy gray (I believe that's how you spell her name). The full podcast is behind a paywall iirc, but there have been multiple people (including destiny) who discussed some highlights

[@m.czandogg9576]

The ending was cute 🥺

[@tcritt]

53:06 Sargon has entered the chat

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

Soygon of Cuckad

[@menkaragamble8175]

I understand that most people here would hate Vaush, but the whole, "submit to the mob" thing is pretty strawman-y. I feel like a more charitable interpretation is that if a group is acting in self defense against an individual acting in self defense, that individual shouldn't be able to just kill them. *edited*

[@menkaragamble8175]

​@Guiuu Shurt I'm talking about my interpretation of the moral statement Vaush made. Not the actual shooting. Also edited the original post because I left out the "individual acting in self defense" part.

[@menkaragamble8175]

@@onetrueliberal7862 Irrelevant considering that's not what I was talking about.

[@universalartisan7740]

True Destiny! No politician is clean! We have to give credit where credit is due! We have to choose the lesser of two evils!

[@evelynrobinson3573]

Wish we could genetically combine these two, imagine someone with destiny's ass fister nature and booksmart's calm aura

[@themostcivilizedsavage2561]

You should try and have a debate with me. I'm sure we don't agree on everything.

[@brendanu3335]

everybody is grifting but me

[@jaybayer3670]

There's nothing really to gain from online politics. It's literally just entertainment. If people actually wanted to get educated and really get into a political issue, you would be doing a LOT more reading than listening.

[@6wlPvP]

sounds like hes describing his ryan dawson debate

[@halfbloodprincess989]

I've never really understood how people can arrive at a radical position without any reasoning.

[@martinsndergaard2229]

I'd say it's because humans aren't intrinsically logical. It's easier to be moved by emotions rather than logic because of things like social pressures, making up for their short comings, ego or fear of the unknown. But who knows what's really going on in other peoples head, some are prob just fucking stupid

[@inovakovsky]

@@martinsndergaard2229 That is the case. Also, consider that people have different axioms that are not reflect of current reality, which is why people advocate for radical ideas (such as female suffrage in mid 1800s, which was radical).

[@smeminem1258]

It's bizarre how people are averse to not necessarily knowing every fact but inferring a most possible reality of a certain situation based on the sources

[@daveberlin8645]

Wrong...the best way to change someone's mind is fear.

[@ItsUhMeIbraheem]

Nice

[@aquanecromancer5776]

I had to stop watching Vaush because his strategy is pure rhetoric at this point.

[@woosh2055]

I know destiny hates vaush, but I honestly think he makes very good arguments compared to almost all other leftist youtubers. I don't think his rhetoric takes that away.

[@herny45]

Hes a commie. What else does he have other than rhetoric and gulag?

[@onetrueliberal7862]

@dougbound Shaun is much worse than Vaush

[@melonmazing515]

@@onetrueliberal7862 I really enjoy his youtube videos but apparently his activity on twitter is fucking crazy

[@KommentarSpaltenKrieger]

@dougbound No, I don't buy this comparison. But I do think that there is too much rhetoric involved.

[@Spencerburner]

Shout out to NukShalah for responding to WingstarNeo15 like an adult 53:50

[@boggledeggnoggler5472]

Anyone else think it seems kinda rude when Destiny just ignores who he's talking to for minutes at a time? Like maybe don't play time-sensitive games during conversations

[@axlglenn2156]

I don’t know about rude people he talks to join the call knowing he’s playing games so it’s implied. I would say Annoying af is probably a more accurate description but he’s been doing it forever I can’t see it changing.

[@BookSmarts]

In a vacuum it probably is rude. But I think for him in particular, it's something you know about before talking. He's still really sharp and attentive, plus I kinda welcome the breaks to have a few moments to think ahead or ponder the conversation more.

[@kushan_tk]

Short answer - Its not

[@vonderfaak6357]

Alot of this is Booksmart talking of himself without just saying it outright, and Destiny is obviously picking up on it.

[@AimingAtYou]

To sum up the conversation, two people talk as if how they are is unique and special... You know, like every person on Reddit does..

[@TheNerdHerd1000]

So whats Booksmarts story? why's he so doomer? And i've been watching vaush Hasan and destiny for a few months now where can i get a nice clean rundown of the destiny arc?

[@downsjmmyjones101]

So Book Smarts is an extrovert. Interesting. His focus on what outside parties think about something is characteristic of extroverts. Perhaps he's just using an auxiliary extroverted function.

[@BookSmarts]

I just realized I've never seen the auxiliary talked about outside of textbooks. Kinda cool to see someone apply the idea in the wild. I'd like to say I'm introverted and have to rely on auxiliary for the external world, but tough to judge it myself.

[@downsjmmyjones101]

@@BookSmarts Everyone's running around with their own terminology for it. Also, there are textbooks on it? I thought this was all some new age woo. Your interest in rhetoric for the purposes of understanding and convincing people sounds a lot like extroverted feeling. Since you're an introvert, would that make you an INFJ? I don't think I have enough information because your focus on outside perspectives to find truth would be characteristic of extroverted thinking. What do you think Steven is?

[@downsjmmyjones101]

@Blue .Barrymore Sort of true while also not really what I'm talking about. BS wasn't talking about valuing a particular person's opinion. He was saying what he does in general and that is what is characteristic of an extrovert. The problem with saying someone is an extrovert based off of THAT is that it's an extroverted function so it's more likely to be seen since it is how someone interacts with the external world.

[@BookSmarts]

@@downsjmmyjones101 Yeah you can't pin me down with what little we talked about, but I kinda skipped over your assumption haha. Also the auxiliary is a mechanism by which people examine the world they are less familiar with, to balance their responses to people and the world as a whole. An introvert uses an extroverted auxiliary to help piece together that outside world they don't get intuitively. Extroverts will use an introverted auxiliary to help understand their internal world, which they are not familiar with navigating. Given this framework or understanding of introvert v extrovert, I'd say I lean towards introvert simply because I feel my auxiliary is meant for others (extroverted). I don't necessarily agree with this framing 100% (mostly bc it's probably more complicated than this) but if I had to work within it, I'd say my internal world is more fleshed out and intuitive to me than the outside.

[@judgedbytime]

It could be that culture is changing.

[@xDDufiosy]

There’s already a limited audience for non combative and constructive discussion on any intellectual topic. Most people tune into the mud slinging and blood bath debates. The general audience just wants to see head roll, a modern day intellectual gladiator coliseum. I’m not sure destiny will find the audience he is looking for and should start leaving some parts of his audience behind sometimes to pursue those greater discussions he is looking for.

[@DaltonDaDigga]

Why can’t you say gg?

[@YemYum]

ngl kinda weirdchamp that alot of the time he is more focused on the starcraft game while booksmarts is making a point. it dosent happen too often but when it does its feelsweirdman

[@japhalpha]

Sounds like a smart Mr. Mouton

[@szirsp]

42:50 PLAY Protoss PLZ! I want you to rage against medivac drops ;) ...and other bs that terran and zerg do ;)

[@szirsp]

1:04:20 It's so sad that mass muta tricked zerg players into thinking they are playing well... ;)

[@jessiejoy1703]

I mean I’d wear a pink dress if I thought it’d make me look good😂

[@adversarysti8406]

Booksmarts x Destiny Podcast

[@ephre]

I'm so confused by Destiny at times, the other day he claims he's a Neo-Liberal, now he says he's not married to capitalism, what is he on about? Free market capitalism is central to everything Neo-Liberals believe. He's clearly a SocDem.

[@fgc_kaiser172]

Does it really matter what label fits him? He has been clear in the policy he is for and that he does want regulations on the private sector

[@CYNKO]

“Not married to capitalism” doesn’t mean he isn’t a capitalist. It means if there is a better system than capitalism he would switch without a second thought

[@ephre]

@@CYNKO that's not the point, he called himself a NeoLiberal the other day.

[@ephre]

@MIND BLOWN He's a smart guy so i imagine he realised what Neo-Liberalism was and quickly sorted that, but yeah he did say he was a Neo-Lib and he also tried to throw Contra points in there, but then he said maybe she's more SocDem.

[@ephre]

@@fgc_kaiser172 No and yeah i know he's smart i'm not really attacking him - i was just a bit blown away when he described himself as a Neo-Lib because i have been a hater since we voted in Tony Blair in the 90's.

[@jonathansaraco]

If anyone hasn't yet seen Booksmart's video on Joe Biden's stuttering, you're fucking up. Go check it out, it was amazing.

[@S3aCa1mRa1n]

I think it’s kind of pointless at times. Sometimes you change peoples minds. It really depends. I think true change is done trough actions rather than speaking. I think Destiny seems a bit combative but more frustrated if anything. I don’t think he’s a good example of being a good faith debater because he loses his tempter too much.

[@woosh2055]

losing your temper isn't necessarily bad faith

[@S3aCa1mRa1n]

@@woosh2055 His debate style is speak very quickly and loudly when he’s wrong. It gives of a bad impression to a neutral party. I’m not a long time fan (I started washing since Kenosha debate with Vaush.

[@woosh2055]

@@S3aCa1mRa1n I've been watching destiny for 2 years and I've never seen him speaking quickly and loudly when he's wrong. He usually does it because he gets frustrated at the person he's talking to because they're saying a bunch of bullshit, and he needs to correct them quickly.

[@S3aCa1mRa1n]

@@woosh2055 Even is you’re frustrated it looks bad. That’s why there’s videos on his sperg moments.

[@inovakovsky]

@@woosh2055 It can increase the chances of being bad faith accidently.

[@bm1259]

I think the isnt that people are dumb or whatever they just really don't care, most people just enjoy slinging shit at each other rather than having a good faith debates, if that's what you're looking instead of just wanting to dunk on people then online politics just isn't worth your time, this shit is just entertainment for people rather than some rigorous argument of ideas.

[@woosh2055]

Ridiculous argument of ideas? Actually arguing about what you believe is 100x more worthwhile than just making fun of people.

[@philosophycoaching8002]

can you edit out the game noise? thanks

[@KommentarSpaltenKrieger]

whoow hold on there, the assumption that rational actors in a given economy have all the information is baked into a whole lot of theories about market outcomes. It rings true for stock market theories, and not just these. You need this assumption in order to get rid of time delays in the fluctuation of asset prices and many other noise factors which follow from such delays. The fact that, theoretically, all the people have all the information isn't tied to their rationality in principle, but it is necessary for them to always have all the knowledge in order to make fully rational decisions. For instance, if you don't know about a cheaper offer from another market participant than the one you actually want to buy (which is a real thing in a non-theoretical economy) you can't buy the cheaper product, even though it might be the rational choice. Thus, in order to act rationally, you have to know of all the products and all the prices (information).

[@oryxkingoftopologiesslayer6790]

I really dislike booksmarts rhetorical style. Plus some of his takes about destiny calling out leftism are a little bit disagreeable to me. I seem to be the only one though...

[@CaioPCalio]

Nah, i agree. One of my favorite things about Destiny is his willingness to very quickly take things to a logical extreme in order to test someones opnion and Booksmarts seems to frequently oppose this because of his rhetorical focus. I dont really watch Destiny because of his rhetorical prowess, so it just seems to make the conversations less interesting.

[@croesuslydias6488]

I cannot stand the rhetorical shit, but I understand why he points it out. I’m just on Destiny’s side about not being interested in rhetoric at all

[@mariovssonic184]

I cant stand it. It feels like I'm being talked down to, like a kid or something.

[@BookSmarts]

I understand the people in here that don't care for rhetoric, his whole brand is kinda built against it. I'm quite the opposite but mostly because I think it helps him to be challenged on it in a way I don't see anyone else do it. Idk about y'all, but I find it more frustrating to see someone argue with him over rhetoric, while pretending they have a logical contention. Hope this convo was a bit different than the tone-policey ones from before?

[@croesuslydias6488]

@@BookSmarts good convo and I agree that rhetoric is necessary to help convince people, no doubt. I just feel like it’s super patronizing to have to appeal to rhetoric rather than logic, and I would hate for someone to try to “trick” me into the right answer rather than rationalize the answer.

[@kicsiqki]

Of course. Thats how Destiny got rich. Annoying or not, leftist arc, alt-right arc, doesnt matter, it pays the bills.

[@NoxiusLP]

I'm pretty sure the title and Booksmarts opinion are targeted towards the impact it can actually make. Of course you aren't "wrong".

[@wb40t3]

no

[@Appak27]

Very insightful comment.

[@wb40t3]

i was answering the question in the title

[@jamrollz]

Bit of a circlejerk to begin with. 'twitch pol commentators are mostly stupid', yeah like no shit they're mostly gamers who haven't finished or even been to college.

[@universalartisan7740]

What do you think about having an I.Q. Test and Lie detector Test as well as an agreement of transparency, set up like a reality show with cameras rolling 24/7- excluding Top secret military information, as a requirement to become a top level representative?

[@northsidebtown7012]

I just came here to say NO1, Bye

[@tjdugan5077]

Destiny is a psychopathic egomaniac but I love him

[@GOGOROBOv2]

Poor Booksmarts

[@mayman4255]

OOOO ? OOOO ? OOOO ? WET ASS POGFISH 🐟

[@Smithistory]

Waiting for Destiny to discover public choice theory and give up fantasies about good government and the people making good democratic choices, instead of just being led around by charlatans.

[@KentuckyFriedKitten666]

Bewk smerts!

[@Fredrikification1]

i cant stand the sc2 sound

[@jelly3374]

"no"

[@helloiamyou9013]

Is they

[@55Noco]

I have to agree with Booksmarts about Destiny's thought process when talking with people he throughly disagrees with. I really like Destiny but sometimes I can't get over the bad faith.

[@josephparkes6412]

Its kind of rich for Destiny to have these complaints but not even bother to read a book on the topic. Politics is complicated, smart people have argued about it for hundreds of years, you're being silly thinking people online are going to have strong opinions.

[@josephparkes6412]

@Guiuu Shurt Has he though? I've only ever seen him saying he doesn't like reading

[@inovakovsky]

@Guiuu Shurt Reading theory is okay for challenging ideal societies since studies can only do the Overton window.

[@josephparkes6412]

@Guiuu Shurt lol no, its just you don't have depth of thought if you don't bother to read. Studies are good for getting to grips with particular aspects of some topics but if you want a stronger holistic understanding of something its important to read books.

[@josephparkes6412]

@Guiuu Shurt Better elaboration. The reason for is this because random person isn't going to be able to explain somewhat complicated theory, so its more productive to go and read it then expect some random person to be able to explain it.

[@GnomiMoody]

Destiny can't debate and play starcraft at the same time what a noob.

[@jessiejoy1703]

Exskillzme is the fucking bomb.

[@lavapopsicle203]

they have a smell taste, they dont want it :) 6:45

[@Kevin-hj4ql]

No

[@melonmazing515]

Yes

[@menkaragamble8175]

Maybe

[@catalyst7189]

Really annoying when someone is trying to have a serious conversation with Destiny and all he can do is give them silence for 30s+. Like I get it, he's streaming SCII, it requires a lot of concentration. But do one or the other 100%. Not two things 50/50.

[@Gakoranus]

Sorry dude, I actually enjoy having the SC2 in the background. Destiny does a lot of conversations with full focus for you to enjoy, but I find this style much more relaxing.

[@kikianasahmad2328]

Quite INTELLIGENT questions with intellect.