Is Overclocking now useless?

[@thelbl3196]

At my age I no longer overcock, it’s about preservation at this point

[@dzeklakovic7568]

Ahhahahahhahahahhaha

[@theMisadventuresofaLittleWolf]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jmac5126]

Wisdom spoke here!

[@Lyserdigi]

never undercock....

[@MrIrondog55]

Just need the right "Thermal Paste"

[@christianaltamura]

keep the title Jay. Resist the temptation

[@ThomasArmento]

This is the way.

[@hacoberthejacober3345]

Why would he not keep it?

[@A1chem1stGaming]

Look at the word that starts with "O" very carefully.​@@hacoberthejacober3345

[@Sisren86]

Beat me to it.

[@baperrin256]

Haha keep it for sure

[@aodnightshade]

Jays team is genius for the messed up title. instantly got so much engagement on the video from that alone. Well played Jay

[@protard2266]

Lol that's the only reason I clicked 😂

[@SSYoung125]

That's funny I didn't realize that 😂 My brain auto filled

[@DJHigher1]

Now all the comments are people who think they're clever instead of a meaningful discussion yay

[@pauljoseph3081]

As a time traveller, OC helps heating up my room during winter. So, you're wrong Jay

[@ralkros681]

Overclock in the winter just makes too much sense to me

[@howardlam6181]

I just wear more clothes. No need to waste energy

[@AmazonWebService98]

@@ralkros681? my 7900x makes the room nice and toasty

[@EhEhEhEINSTEIN]

If you don't want to feel like you're wasting electricity, I suggest Folding@home. In the shoulder seasons, I turn the thermostats back at night and just Fold in my bedroom. Saves burning oil or wood to keep the whole house warm when I just need one room at night.

[@pauljoseph3081]

@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN I'll certainly try that

[@Thaleios]

This is very timely. When I built my 13900k system last fall, it was the first system I had that was not stable OOB. The motherboard shipped with super aggressive settings, unlimited power limits and I had to undervolt, adjust power limits, limit turbo boost to 55x, etc. just to keep it stable. Recently I decided I wanted to try to push it back up a bit more above 55x and I hit a brick wall. I found that the motherboard had shipped with ICCMax(Core Current Limit) set to auto which meant my current was spiking and hard freezing my machine anytime I played a newer ue5 game. The solution was to set a value between 300 and 400 amps to the core current limit, adjusting up as I increased the multiplier and slowly pushing my undervolt back up as Jay demonstrated. I don't understand why this has to be so damned complicated OOB and I bet a lot of cpus have been destroyed or RMAd just because of the mixup between the motherboard mfgrs and intel.

[@2nd_Directorate]

Honey...what is that liquid nitrogen doing in our bedroom?

[@petegaslondon]

Hey .. Its a Gas! Dang, so it is, gotta get some more then

[@Apollo-Computers]

Lmfao my dewar sits in the corner of the bedroom...

[@maozedong5035]

It's overcocking

[@Yalden_]

Over WHAT

[@stonefist]

OVERCOCKING!!!!

[@paulblenkinsop]

9000!

[@AInWisco]

If you know, you know.

[@mikhail21393]

🤣

[@MJSGamingSanctuary]

@@stonefist Over chickening someones clearly been cheating on their diet with dem nuggies.

[@DoneFeedingTheFox]

it's amazing how he can do a full video about overcocking with such a straight face, pure professionalism.

[@evoluke1069]

I mean, if you rack the slide on your gun too far you're just gonna break it and if you have more roosters than you require for your hens to lay eggs, it's just inefficient isn't it?

[@AnotherGenericChannel]

Always entertaining having KZbin feed me videos about overclocking since I've been under clocking and under volting for almost 2 decades now. Overclock to get an idea of what a system can handle then spending a lot of time dropping voltage, adjusting timing and balancing everything. Would rather have better performance than worse visual stability.

[@013Bidou]

I'm totally with you there. I underclock and undervolt my multicore CPU's for years now, ,have much much better temps and even score higher in some benchmarks (multicore). The way i see it ; if you want THE gaming PC , choose one with with a minimum core layout and push it as much you can to obtain that fps that will make you a smarter person than the rest . If you're into media creation , get the maximum amount of cores and let them run quietly . (i found that out comparing my 965 black with the fx 8350) There used to be a saying that if you wanted to keep your car engine in the long run you should try to stay below 2/3th of the max rpm . Because the engine would get hot, use a lot of energy , brake down faster. And you would probably not get to your destination faster...

[@nephron9924]

Amazing. What a smart boy. We're all impressed. Pat yourself on the back

[@Imran7jr]

I have undervolted my CPU and GPU on old acer predator 2018 laptop... Now I could play games games at consistent fps and at 5°C less temperature on my GPU and CPU. It's sure is a lifesaver for aging hardware

[@Profetorum]

Undervolting is the modern overclocking If you seek actual overclock, stick to ram oc. There's a lot of room, but it's way harder to get into

[@michaelwerner5049]

Very hard im convinced not a single person in the world understands what a ram timing actually is

[@califpv]

I only undervolt my gaming laptops

[@peoplesactionsnottheirword8760]

Can you explain? What they are then lol ​@@michaelwerner5049

[@megapet777]

I have tried ram overclocking few times and it always sucks. I never got anything beyond xmp. Its just not worth it imo.

[@StrangestEcho4754]

GPU is generally worth undervolting. I reduced my 3080 FE's draw by 50-70 watts. I'm not convinced that it's worthwhile to mess with CPU and Memory given the risk of data corruption.

[@ChristianDLucas]

Overcocking is certainly a problem I’ve never had.

[@OGSook]

Same...

[@thatguy3000]

I normally do it to get perfect 60 FPS on games if it's at like 54-55 FPS and then just lock it down.

[@blackraen]

Undervolting is the new OC. If the chips want to overclock themselves, try to see how little voltage your chip needs to do it!

[@mikejmcfarlane]

I’ve been tuning for efficiency the last year or so. Keep the same performance, get a 10-15% energy saving :-)

[@leegilbert7551]

Exactly, upgraded from an i5 9600kf oc to 4.9. Upgraded to 7800x3d, under volted -30 offset! 5ghz

[@jimmydandy9364]

Very well said!

[@daygeckoarthawaii1360]

@@mikejmcfarlanebut make sure you actually test your CPU for data errors with Prime95 or a similar program

[@ceuser3555]

Liquid nitrogen is the best OC method. Intel 14900KS has reached 9GHZ through this method. 8 P CORES AND 16 E CORES.

[@brokenbuildz]

The last time I did that I ended up with a kid.

[@thelespauldude3283]

LMAO

[@brrzurk]

LMAOOOOO

[@Splintygames1]

Little baby pcs how adorable

[@Kirby5588]

I got 2!

[@4musketeerz]

Nice!

[@ster79222]

This was a massive insight on How overclocking works and how to educate yourself on the topic. Thank you.

[@jackass315]

the virgin overclock vs the chad undervolt

[@aldebaran0_]

Even better when you can do both

[@marmite2956]

im the sigma overclock and undervolt

[@MicroDyneTechnologies]

If you find yourself overcocked for longer than 4 hours, seek immediate medical attention.

[@dashcammer4322]

"Have you tried running cold water over it?"

[@LlywellynOBrien]

My friend once brought back 'special gum' from Japan. I should have been suspicious because of the anime girl on the packet. I was hard for hours. Awful.

[@Follower_Of_The_Onions]

@@LlywellynOBrien damn...how long till it undercock? hahaha kinda hurts though if left for long

[@LlywellynOBrien]

@@Follower_Of_The_Onions All systems were nominal after around six hours I think.

[@Follower_Of_The_Onions]

@LlywellynOBrien 6hr!....ayyy

[@HyPerN0v4]

I wouldn't say overCOCKing is useless, it certainly has it's uses ...

[@rickcreel9557]

😆

[@montreauxs]

nah...

[@Limeyfrog]

Freudian slip

[@challenger516]

@@MrIrondog55Cringe, get out more, dude.

[@PaulGrayUK]

More case of undervolting and sustaining longer is the new overclocking.

[@fruzeniusgames]

Title gonna make this the #1 video of the month

[@nickg6312]

Might as well keep it, 2k views under a minute

[@Cosmodjinn]

Overclocking may be dead, but undervolting isn't. Efficiency is king now, this is why even a few generations ago with lower performance AMD was arguably better than Intel. I wonder if we might not see a similar trend with Nvidia. You can only cool a defined area of silicon so fast.

[@cruz1ale]

Efficiency is definitely not king, performance is king and always will be. Efficiency is just the next best thing.

[@zid_just_zid]

1700+, 1.46ghz stock, ran it at 2.4ghz air cooler in a Shuttle SN41G2 which is a small form factor case. It lived in there with three spinny drives (case only had bays for 2, i modified it suspend a third below the stock drive cage), a dvd burner and a radeon 9500 pro. Really good system for its period. The bios didnt have multiplier selection so that was set using single wire strand jumpers inserted into the socket.

[@SnowyFeet]

Overcocking. When you put too much "P" into your P-C.

[@pgmasterson1163]

🤣

[@Akilleaze77]

This comment wins the day.

[@xenondestiny]

PPC

[@infinityPyros]

Is it too much P or too much C?

[@GiSWiG]

My first overclock was accidental! I'm going to date myself here but I upgraded my Packard Bell with a 75MHz Pentium to a 100MHz Pentium but I put the jumpers in wrong and it ran at 133MHz. I was young. I thought I got a mismarked CPU (which now I know, is not far from the truth). It ran fine, never crashed, never burned up, same cheapo stock cooler.

[@francistaylor1822]

I miss the days where could run a 300A celeron at 566mhz

[@Indisposable]

Let the magic pixie smoke out of my p2 so I could play some fps game for a day, probably would have worked with proper cooling but I don't remember my p2 even having a cooler on it. Replacement was easy enough thankfully and I didn't touch overcocking again for almost 2 decades until I learned about infinity fabric on Ryzen 2600x.

[@parkinsaw]

@@francistaylor1822 Or try and burn the house down with the Athlon 64 6400 black edition. (Still don't know how we managed back than)

[@Sirpesari]

Last time I felt the need to overcock was back when I had i7 3770k. Back then overcocking still really improved performance and gave a more pleasurable experience than regular cocking.

[@Pasi123]

I have a non-K i7-3770 overcocked to 4.22-4.43GHz in one of my systems. Back then even the locked CPUs had few extra multipliers and I've also overcocked the bus speed to 103MHz which gives slightly above 100MHz boost to the CPU cocks

[@FredoPL]

Yep, I've previously used an overclocked 2500K, now I run 8700K and I don't feel the need to overclock it. I undervolted it to achieve lower temps with the same performance and that was all.

[@Revan_7even]

I overclocked my i5 4690K to 4.4GHz without going over 55C. I could have gone higher and did get 4.5GHz stable, but didn't feel comfortable with the voltage required. Also it already put out enough heat, and my bedroom window faced the sun so it was always warmer in my room (cats loved it).

[@filonin2]

I'm still using that chip in this gaming rig. The game I play only utilizes like 35% of the CPU so I still don't need anything faster.

[@Sirpesari]

@@filonin2 You may not "need" anything faster but in case you don't know most games only use a fraction of available cpu capacity, you would get a significantly better performance with a modern chip due to game engine limitations of cpu utilization.

[@almanac520]

Great video Jay. Down to earth explanations

[@AsiAzzy]

OC times are done for me. I was an enthusiast in OC. My favorite "games" were superpi95, 3dmark2001, rivatuner. From my memory, 300A's at double speed 600mhz barton 2400+m 1.666ghz to 2.5ghz p4 ee prescott at 5.2ghz and hardware enabling.. bridging pins on thorton to revert it to barton, or applebreds reverting to thouroghbred. Voltmods on ram, etc.

[@TheBluesCruise]

I had a Slot-1 Celeron 300A at 500MHz its entire life. Its such a different animal now, great comment.

[@AsiAzzy]

@@TheBluesCruise nice. I still have my first abit bx440 board with slot1 and some 300a, and various klamath, tualatin, deuches (333mhz) and a SlotA amd k5 or k6 (that does not work on slot1 but it does fit.. the oddball slot A)

[@halflife82]

Oh man, I miss my Barton! Remember all the “pencil mods” we used to have to do to reduce resistance across resistors? Now it’s like cheating using LLC in the bios to achieve the same thing. 😂 Oh man, and bridging the cpu pins with wires to trick the cpu? Those were the good old days for sure. I still overclock everything tho, and my 14900k is an animal at 6.2Ghz idle and 5.8ghz all core at 100% load indefinitely. My first overclock was when I was 10 years old. Turned my dad’s Pentium 166 via jumpers into a Pentium 200 and that thing ran for years like that. That was before the internet and me discovering that it was just jumpers dictating your cpu speed you paid for. Lol 😂

[@AsiAzzy]

@@halflife82 nice. I do have some eyecandy. I still have the barton in working condition. Case antec 300. Mb abit nf-7s v2.0, barton 2400m (aqxda or something, mobile was just a selected chip that could run low voltage stable. These were rhe best to OC. The normal 3200+ was less powerful than 2400+m). The Tt volcano chunk of 700g of copper cooler. BH5 ram, and ATI 9500se aiw modded into 9800pro aiw, oc to 9800xt aiw levels with Arctic silencer 3.. the OG of custom coolers on gpu one of the first blower types for consumers. All components were bought new by me in 2003-2005. I stil have all the boxes and all accesories for it. It was my first gaming rig bought with my own money from my first job.

[@Steven-hq3go]

Raising the FSB and corrupting my Windows install. 😅

[@seductivetamale2933]

Jay the title lol

[@Bukakanga]

It's JayZ-Missed-Letter now

[@ct5391]

I fell in love with overcocking back when I was a kid, my dad showed me how to do it when he overcocked my personal system. I miss my dad, we used to overcock with one another all the time. 😢😢😢

[@Youtubehandle9001]

I was gonna call the COPS (child overcocking protection services) but if you enjoyed it...

[@Dodedrommer]

what a gorgeous title, just spectacular.

[@Purrrfect264]

Very helpful, without your vids i would never know about MCE option and other stuff. Kudos !

[@Arwel22597]

When i first got into pc gaming, with the gtx 960 and a 6600k, your's/kyles/pauls OC guides were amazing. Helped me get to grips with how to pinpoint my cards maximum potential or efficiency. These days you are right, it is pretty depressing. These days i find the VRAM and RAM clocks (and RAM timings) are the only bit of tinkering i can do. MCE and the ability to just max the power limit slider on afterburner are the modern day realities of overclocking.

[@OoHiMark]

So, I don’t need to worry if my PC is packing schmeat?

[@bruhbruhman349]

How many ghz are you rocking in those sockets?

[@HamBown]

I messed with my 5900x quite a bit when I first got it, but at the end of the day I really only changed RAM timings and undervolted it in BIOS, PBO does the rest. It does 4.95 GHz single core across most cores, undervolted, on air. There definitely used to be way more performance gain on the table for those willing to mess around with settings and cooling set-ups. Now all of that is done on the front-end and the parts are sold as different SKUs.

[@formulaic78]

I overclocked my GPU (literally), ram (improved timings and higher speed) and CPU (pbo offset). So really only the gpu was"overclocked". But I had to cut back the GPU overclock massively when avatar didn't like it; whereas ran perfectly with cyberpunk. Even if the rewards are no longer what they were it's still fun (panic inducing) to mess around with it.

[@ashleybarnes9343]

Sounds about same with me, I have a ryzen 7 7700x, when I got it a few months ago I got it with a noctua nh15 cooler I think, big massive notcua heat sink with 2 massive 140m included noctua fans, at default settings in game I was getting about 5.4 to 5.5ghz which is what it states I should get, I was able to overclock it up to 5.8ghz but that required giving it a fair amount of extra voltage giving me insane temps, so I ended up just adjusting some settings with pbo and now I got it running at 5.6ghz all cores basically the entire time I'm gaming with its temps averaging about 65 and never hitting higher then 82 xD, I do miss the days where you could overclock massively but then again tbf now adays with how fast these cpus run and how much performance they already give us I also don't think theirs a need to overclock anymore

[@bnr32jason]

Overcocking is dangerous! Gotta be sure to tell your partner first!

[@NotThatBob]

I never overclock. When I read in forums, people having issue with game crashes, or over heating, often I believe it to be due to overclocking. A few extra $s towards higher end components will nullify the need to overclock. Plus you won't need to upgrade as soon. Don't overclock, spend a little extra and keep the PC cool!

[@ZantoshGaming]

A 5600x can boost to 4.7GHz and is excellent for gaming. But if I want a similar 4.7GHz base clock processor, I would have to get a 7600x which costs 50% more. (In this case, that also means full platform upgrade). And at this point, I don't think it is worth spending that much. I'd rather invest in a cooler to keep thermals low while getting the best performance out of a CPU at manufacturer's boost settings. If I need more juice, I can always OC. The few extra $ is actually a lot of extra $ for very little gains.

[@potatomanmrhandle]

overclocking my old fx83500 from 4.2 to 4.9ghx let me use the cpu until this year. its a 10 year old pc and the OC let me use it comfortably the last 3 years. only this year i felt i needed an upgrade :)

[@filthyhanzomain7917]

i am only overclocking my ram because there is a way bigger performance boost per watt than overclocking my cpu. Also overclocking the ram only means adjusting timings for about a 20 percent fps improvement on a am5 system.

[@Maradiaga23]

I remember overclocking my 2600k to like 4.4GHz all core and getting a "noticeable" performance improvement and just feeling good about the whole tunning process. With my 12700k the most I can get is an undervolt to lower temps and that's it.

[@bdo3043]

You should’ve probably overcocked it instead.

[@delboy6384]

I was thinking the same to be honest bud didn't want to mention it

[@TheUnderGround979]

I remember overclocking my AMD FX 8120 all core 4.4GHz

[@joshmercer5143]

Sandy Bridge chips oc like mad. I had my 2500k running at 4.5 for over a decade. Actually it still runs at that it's just waiting to be repurchased since I have a 5900x build now but it was my favorite chip I've owned

[@dreadbull5039]

Overcocking? I’ve never been accused of that…

[@rodturner6759]

I have...

[@dreadbull5039]

@@rodturner6759 Grats

[@pmac7]

After seeing the title, I immediately scrolled to the comments. Did not disappoint. 😆

[@LockieNZ]

Building a new rig after 8 years. Really cant be bothered with overclocking. Getting a 7800X3D, so should be good enough as is.

[@Nemesis1ism]

yep

[@SuPeRuNkNoWn..]

Yes but what could have been. That letter K is a devil.

[@JustThePR]

I feel like anything I do to OC my GPU does little to nothing. It's like a 10 fps performance gain.

[@cjgent]

I overcocked my PC and I have some questions

[@lafrad]

There's probably a lotion for that.

[@Hugh_I]

@@lafradIt's called "thermalpaste". For when the Pee-Cores get to hot and whatnot

[@pgmasterson1163]

@@Hugh_I dude i'm dead roflamo

[@tornadotj2059]

Hopefully it wasn't in a cheap case with sharp edges.

[@auly3696]

This deserves an extra like cause it made me laugh at work.

[@drek9k2]

I really wish Secret World was still being developed mayne

[@barlogpl]

Over .. what!? Freudian slip.

[@cbz21]

I undervolt 940mv and boost the clocks on the core 2320 and max 2420, then boost memory with faster timings setting and set it to 2100. On my xfx merc 319 rx 6800, it runs cooler sips power and gains a good 8 to 10fps in most titles. The only problem I hate is when I get new drivers or a driver time out/crash, it resets to default settings, and then I have to turn my settings back on manually.

[@camotech1314]

You can export them and restore 😅

[@TheRoamingbison]

I was huge into overclocking 15-20 years ago. I still have a 24v industrial pump in a box somewhere from a custom watercooling setup. Nowadays the way the chips manage clocks themselves I don't bother overclocking. However, the accumulated cooling experience from overclocking definitely helps with keeping the clock/temperature curve in a better range.

[@methodmantis3060]

title is wild comms

[@retro2409]

Is over WHAT!!!

[@Blink_____]

Sorry kids, if you weren't around in the late 90s - early 2000s you missed the golden age of overclocking

[@iceManSwag]

Coming from the PC era since 90s nowadays I like to undervolt my GPU & CPU. Yeah I can overclock for some benchmarks but that's about it. With this new hardware many games dont even know what to do with all these cores. Sometimes even reducing amount of cores can improve game speed. The kids nowadays even missed out on the best era of games if they dont retro game play. I sure have replayed some of the old games with new hardware & some game tweaks to get Glide 3DFX API @1440P the game look so good & old good game play.

[@roahnosh]

"Sorry kids, if you weren't around in the late 90s - early 2000s you missed the golden age of overclocking" At least they have more lifespan than you to enjoy future technologies.

[@Blink_____]

@@roahnosh lol cope

[@linkfreeman1998]

Believe me, a lot of people around the world dont play games at that era, cuz they had more important things to be done. Or they want to, but they cant because of money. For you those times were golden, but for others it was nightmare.

[@RebirthRavenIX]

​@@iceManSwag2010s had the best era of games

[@nickm8651]

You need to redo the overclock and with the new microcodes for the 14900k and see where the overclocking are today. That's your job on your channel. Get it up, really would like to see the differences. Cheers, great video!

[@billpii6314]

I just bought a 7900x3d and it's the first time I never even looked or thought about its OCing abilities. I just don't feel like it really makes any difference other than for benchmarking. When ever I get a new CPU or GPU I tweak them up to see my best beach mark score then I turn it all back

[@JB-ue6lf]

Same

[@nickg6312]

MAN THE TITTLE SHOOKETH ME I TELL YOU

[@DANdtc]

I had to do a double take when I seen that title lol

[@Salidin111]

Its not about how big the number is but the stability of the system.

[@richardlynneweisgerber2552]

The biggest thorn in the side of ALL OverClockerLanders is this. BIOS/UEFI Settings list the Basic Approach and the Detailed Approach. Far too often in both ASUS & Gigabyte UEFI/BIOS Settings I have here to test on. Setting the Exact Same settings apparently in BOTH Places during same test Generally Results in head-scratching "WHY NO BOOT?" seriously Who has access to ASUS, Gigabyte, et cetera Developers, Developers, Developers to FIX THIS? 35+ years building my own PCs, and this has been seen on all three UEFI/BIOS Settings available to me personally, ASROCK is here, but untested. about all I do anymore is set the 5800X to Base*40 instead of *38, all the rest AUTO. a whopping 1/19*100% increase in Baseline perf. thanks! YOU ROCK for Being Honest!

[@ehifnvhiebvzeruwdnivbvzbe5644]

Ennergy Efficent Tuning is the new Overclock. With rising prices for Power (specific Eu/Germany) its important to have a lower power usage at the same performance.

[@vekazu_is_great_guy]

I still remember when i overcooked My cpu to 150°c doesnt work anymore and it's burned

[@JhustineProvido]

Undervolting is the "new" overclocking.

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

I undervolted my 3060ti and couldn't be happier with the temps and performance

[@Bukakanga]

with keeping the spirit of the title it should be called "undervomiting" now

[@mhult5873]

Undervolting is the new overcocking. Great for the temps to boot.

[@jordyg5000]

I think AI would be better tuners for this soon.

[@vac59]

Undervolting my 5800X3D so my cooler doesn’t scream into my mic 🎙️ Still getting great performance out of it. Not hitting top clocks , but at 100 watts or less, it’s cool and quiet and dumping on Intel 200 watt competitor

[@Tyl3r_Margela]

Couldnt imagine overcocking my PC THANK YOU JAY😁✌️

[@genergia]

A passion is never useless.

[@chrispeden979]

Zero problems reach factory boost on my 5800X. Tuned PBO2 with curve optimizer for a rock solid all core 4.75ghz and 5ghz single core. Idle 28C, 78C under load. All at 125W. Cooler is 280 AIO.

[@Simon-ui6db]

Someones clocked up on the title. LMFAO!!

[@coreyrandall702]

Over cocking?

[@theknightspalace]

Only the old school will keep overclocking alive, honestly there really isnt any need for it anymore besides showing off knowledge and know how..i cant think of one thing mainstream can use with overclocking outside of just breaking shit.

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

Now a days it's better to undervolt than to overclock

[@bricaaron3978]

What is this? I'm getting ready to build a new system --- I still have a 4770K. Am I to understand that something like a 14900K can not be run significantly over 6 GHz even on a single core, and assuming heat is not an issue (e.g. sub-ambient cooling)?

[@drek9k2]

@@TheBlueBunnyKenTHIS

[@drek9k2]

@@bricaaron3978It can't do shit mate, although to be fair 13900ks golden sample stupid dongs shitfest was sort of the burial ground forwhat was left of it. Nah it's not like then with Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge and Haswell and all that good stuff, what's basically happened is running it close to the limit already and it just becomes so unstable, I suspect the RAM timings makes it worse too. Like even having a DDR5 high speed RAM being stable with the OCP/XMP whatever overclocked RAM running isn't sure. So you may not even get to be running the advertised RAM speeds and meanwhile overclocking on Ryzen is straight up dead. Whaty you CAN do is still some overclocking on like a 13600k it's just it's not gonna be enough to really justify it ultimately. It's basically more an crusty graybeard thing for us when we was kids, sort of the same thing as SLI where it was basically just nerd shit by the end of it that basically didn't even work well on the few times it did. Like a lot of this cool gimmick stuff was pretty much dead on AMD, they basically just killed everything off for simplistic, Zen-like mindset of pure performance minimalism, just make it work, efficiently and for the best bang for your buck. That's why everyone likes AMD, because it's actually just fantastic performance without the need of stupid gimmicks and it works better than those gimmicks. Like they took out CrossFire before nVidia officially killed off SLI completely, for RDNA they still technically could software Crossfire 5700xt's I found out despite being officially unsupported, other than that Crossfire was already dead while 3090ti SLI shit was still a thing for that very particular type of person. Now SLI is totally deaded too.

[@4thPlayerFilms]

Honestly I do kinda miss overclocking a bit, it was kinda fun to see how much more performance I could squeeze out of a CPU that would otherwise have required adding potentially hundreds of dollars to the sticker price. BUT, I do also appreciate that I don't have to worry as much about stress testing to determine stability, or worrying so much every time I get a crash that it's because I'm pushing the chip too hard. Idk, it's a mixed bag for people who like to tinker.

[@Noobsaucer]

I believe a cpu or a gpu are not ASICs. They are not application specific

[@Jeffrey_A_Cole]

I have a Giggitybyte motherboard and I always overcock it! 😁

[@yosh4084]

The title is hilarious

[@JonaiDoesEverything]

I can hear Phil's laugh from here for that mixup

[@leemercey2260]

I believe you are correct about shifty sales tactics. They sucked up all the headroom leaving us with nothing.

[@HamsterJP]

Long time over clocker here. The first CPU i OCed was an Intel Core2 Duo E8400 3.0ghz stock and i pushed the FSB and got like 3.7-3.8 on an massive weighty air cooler. OC was a Modding and tinkering is a rare personality trait, I think. most people do not care or even think about this kind of stuff. I know Jay is a car guy and it is the same with a lot of us car guys too. Some guys buy them and keep them stock and other modify. I mean I even tinker and modify with every hobby i have. I find some people may have the same hobbies as me but do it in their own way.

[@xblfanatic360]

Undervolting is the new OC.

[@Deez_coc]

That title is wild💀

[@mikejmcfarlane]

This is a great conversation to have, thnx Jay

[@leakypipe86]

You're my favorite tech channel on KZbin. Keep up the great work, guys!

[@erictayet]

This is so relevant. My 5900X started to crash my games & all-core workloads recently. I tried to undervolt, underclock, Curve train, etc. This is about 2+ years after I build the system. After not being able to find a solution in BIOS & Ryzen Master, it finally occurred to me that the AIO I'm using is not sinking the heat as fast as it used to. So I ordered a Kyrosheet and replaced the Artic MX-4 thermal paste yesterday. I've never used a solid thermal sheet on my CPU before. I used to use Mica sheets for my voltage regulators and MOSFET, etc. So I trusted Thermal Grizzly when they say it work almost as well as liquid metal. After installations, I can now easily push All-core workloads to my 5900X to PBO 4.9Ghz and not have a crash, although the CPU temp is 85C with ambient temp of 30C, case temp of 34C. I think I'm going to upgrade my AIO to a 360mm to give even more thermal headroom so I can increase voltage a bit more for higher sustained all-core frequency. Between the 5900X default 3700Mhz to PBO 4900Mhz, there is noticeable difference in mouse click latency and job completion time so I'm looking forward to more AIO reviews.

[@TracksideViews]

She like the performance on her C-Core to be as high as possible

[@Modus_Pwnin]

Huge overcocking fan here, personally, I love getting in there. I know some people think we'll this low level fiddling doesn't do any thing bit add to my satisfaction. No my friend, it's more than that. It really is just necessary for life.

[@alpacafursona3128]

I mean i know GPU prices are ridiculous but......that title!

[@GovG33k]

My best OC was dual Celeron Core2Duo 333mHz on an ABIT BP6 board up to 550 stable using Alpha coolers.

[@athrun2]

this has made me feel better about what I though of my 2081ti FTW3. for the longest time, I thought I got a bit of a dud, as I had no room to overclock it. between remembering I have it in the oc profile & it's already at the edge by design, I feel better about only being able to do a small memory boost to it

[@BigSarge72]

To be fair, overclocking was always pretty "useless". It was more about seeing what you can do than gaining any true benefit. I watched tons of OC videos where someone is like, "Look! I spent all this time tweaking all these settings and now I have 5-10 more FPS!" For most people, there was no benefit, it was just for folks to get to tinker with their systems.

[@potatomanmrhandle]

overclocking my fx8350 from 4.2 to 4.9ghz made it so i could keep gaming on the pc until this year.. i dont know how useless that was but it didnt even run some games pre overclock :)

[@BigSarge72]

@potatomanmrhandle Notice I said "for most", sometimes it's useful 😎

[@SuperiorDefense]

Overcocking is useless. Average cocking is more than adequate.

[@ogChaaka]

Depends on the socket.

[@theDAVIDKANG]

I was here for overcocking. Now it’s overclocking. Rest in peace original title.

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

Amen.

[@Policepigeon]

Oc some low to mid range stuff! I have a +1500mhz oc on my R5 5600 and you can use morepowertool and moreclocktool on AMD GPUs to get ridiculous OCs. I'd love to see you do more and OCs so I think that would be interesting

[@impuls60]

Just run an all core limit on 5.7Ghz and vCore at about 1.32-1.37V depending on silicon. I use the V/F curve system system using negative mV offsets on 5.6Ghz -6Ghz. Works really well and the cpu behaves normally and is way easier to cool. Getting rid of changing frequency while playing FPS shooters is an absolute must to avoid that dreaded desync server feel wich is often just the cpu parking a thread momentarily.

[@blazingdisciple4070]

Gotta be careful with the fans when overcocking. Blade design and RPM can really change the outcome.

[@slavko321]

Useless: - overclocking - huge rgb boxes - water cooling You play video games you're not nasa.

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

^ This lol. Spot on!

[@Platypus_Warrior]

Undervolt for: - longevity - fan noise - electric bill - avoid threshold - allow overclocking for low budget people like me ;)

[@francoisleveille409]

Optimizing my new R9-7950X PBO per core gave me a WHOPPING 0.93% improvement in speed! WOOOOOAAAW!

[@jondonnelly3]

Haha, I feel you. It's still a sick ass CPU and you can always upgrade so easy, unlike intel!

[@francoisleveille409]

@@jondonnelly3 Does feel kinda weird to have better performance in winter than in summer. First time in my life I have a PC doing this to me!!

[@theanimazin]

I’m glad Jay finally knows about Falcon Northwest. I known about them for a long time. They’re my favorite SI.

[@atomicskull6405]

Undervolting is the new overclocking. My undervolted 13600K pulls 150w with all cores at full turbo in Cinebench23. I can actually get it down to 120W but I bumped up the CPU light lode setting (MSI's easy undervolting setting) 2 increments from that just to be sure of stability. The core can run in full turbo mode full time and never have to throttle and I don't need an expensive cooling solution to do this just a reasonable tower cooler.

[@rigbytheaussie8925]

overcock, the next gen of performance enhancements

[@Clockwork1992]

Lmao stop! 🤣

[@Aotearas]

Title is an instant classic, please don't change. Put that on a JayZ t-shirt for merch instead!

[@yescoblol]

nice

[@EllCEZReviews]

I still have an 8600k and i enjoyed tickering with it and getting better performance, its not massive difference but its more than i got as standard. Plus for me it was fun playing about with the system, gave me a better understanding on what does and doesnt work and the impact it makes

[@czummo76]

Watercooled overcock in the summer, interesting... Sorry couldn't resist 🤣😂 - Ok back to maturity, TY Sir for another job well done!! BTW i have run, still do, my 9900k at 5.0Ghz all core since its launch with zero issues. I had to bump voltage just a tad for stability but i could not for the life of me get it 100% stable at 5.1Ghz all core. 9700k also runs at 5.1Ghz all more with zero added voltage, neither have any thermal issues and pull under 100W, with Corsair Platinum 280mm AIO. My new 14900KF can do 36 to 100C in .06 seconds flat - They are thermal monsters to tame.. My 14900KF runs at 5.9P/4.6E at a -.30V but is not stable in Cinebench R23 - stable for everything else though, but pulls 335W.. I would have to drop the clocks 100-200Mhz to run R23 stable, but it does thermal throttle quite a bit and clocks come down to 5.2 as you have shown... Water temp rises at about 1 degree per second, Corsair iCUE H150i Elite CAPELLIX XT cannot vacate the heat fast enough.. It's crazy and really made me think whether overlocking is really worth it anymore so, this video really grabbed my attention! So yeah, i hear ya about the "stable" overclock under extreme workloads as well as stable for gaming workloads.. Makes perfect sense.. cheers!

[@MrCarlosj0]

Sometimes overcocking at my age it just means i can still go the distance. Maybe a bit of overheating but thats what watercooling is meant for. Until your leg cramps up.

[@beachslap7359]

Ram overclocking is definitely worth it for enthusiasts, but cpu and gpu overclocking is kind of dead.

[@CommodoreFan64]

I agree for 95% of people it's pointless beyond RAM, and sometimes it's better to undervolt to keep temps down, and more stable with how crazy performance has become even on a mobile CPU like the Intel 12900H(14 core/20 threads) I have on a Chinese Erying Micro ATX board, it boost to 5Ghz only hitting near it's max temps on air in rare spikes for a few sec with most of the time being in the 20c to 40c range.

[@Vss077]

ram overclocking is basically enabling EXPO/XMP profile & done. nothing else needed & manual tuning takes a long time with minimal gains most of the times. cpu is useless true but gpu oc can give u a little boost for the minimal effort like ram OC is = 3-4 minutes work for 3-5fps. - even copy paste oc profiles for gpu's work most of the times (at least for nvida cards). so i dont call enabling ram xmp a real ram overclock. technically overclock but that makes any newer intel & amd cpu an overclocked cpu out of the box as jay said "gpu/cpu-boost". ram xmp is just a ram profile loaded & we shouldnt call it a real overclock till u touch timings/frequency further

[@Ramshackle6984]

^ that's bait

[@IIHydraII]

@@Vss077clueless

[@Vss077]

@@Ramshackle6984 u got me.

[@adreanmarantz2103]

I overcocked once a long time ago, but then I had to wait a week for a 'system rest' . Lesson learned.

[@tvw4951]

I love this. I'm not nearly as old as most of the people in the scene,but born the same time. Got into PCs around 3rd/4th gen Intel. Overclocking isn't what it was, and I'll never forget. My baby is my EVGA-SR2 X5660 dual socket that I play with here and there, but my first build I seriously took overclocking was my Z97 4790k. Don't remember the nubmers, but I know I pushed it to 4.5-.8 and I was pretty happy. My delidded 13700k doesnt do nearly as much, but still enjoy some overclocking on my Kingpin Z690

[@yerrindejong2380]

I overclocked my RX 5700 the way you did how to amd video more power tool to reduce the artificial restriction and running 250mhz higher than stock 1700 or so that's almost 15%, there will probably be some artificial locks in the future by binning i hope so