Is Red Meat THAT Bad For Your Health?

[@lazarus6983]

He had 3 seconds left in the quota to talk about anything he wanted... So he squeezed in a liver king roast. Love it.

[@AlekTrev006]

His Liver King vids cracked me up, the first time I saw em’ a few months back 🤣. “Scott… is Cold one of the ‘Tenets’” ?? Yes… 🤦‍♂️

[@srleplay]

Every video in which Mike says "gee-whiz" is a great video

[@taylornoles6528]

bonus points if it's "gee-whiz mister" in a little kid voice

[@samedge9496]

According to stats, that's the case of correlation not causation

[@watsonkushmaster3067]

What does that even mean!

[@plugliferecords8618]

Every video is great lol 😂

[@rm06c]

Every video in which Mike says "Hey Folks" is a great video.

[@JClarkDeuces]

Each year Mike lets go a little more, and it is a beautiful thing.

[@davidec.4021]

Lmaoooo

[@EbonyPope]

Nutrition made simple also made good videos about it and even when controlling for factors like smoking and lifestyle there was still a detrimental effect although much smaller and of course only in presence of a certain amount of red meat. I would like to see what Mike says about that.

[@casthedemon]

​@@EbonyPopestill better than ho hos and oreos. And even if red meat advocates lived an average of 75 years vs 80s years for a vegetarian, does it really fucking matter? I'd rather enjoy my food.

[@EbonyPope]

@@casthedemon That is another topic. We are getting more sure that red meat in excess can have detrimental effects however the effect size is getting smaller with each better designed study. So we are more and more sure about an ever smaller risk. I hope you understand what I mean by that. Everytime we isolate certain factors like smoking and control for it in studies there is still an effect but it is getting smaller and smaller. In the end meat can and is definitely a valuable source of nutrition but like with salt the dose makes the poison. Even if meat was as bad as chocolate I surely wouldn't stop eating meat but treat it like chocolate. Food isn't just about it's function of giving you nutrients otherwise we could just resort to eating astronaut liquid meals. But the culinary experience is more than that. Chocolate and sugars might be really bad for you but the dose dependency also applies here. Nothing wrong with a good piece of chocolate maybe even a whole bar as long as that isn't a very frequent occurence.

[@casthedemon]

@@EbonyPope that's all I've ever advocated.

[@thechasebake3604]

Sometimes I'm not sure whether I'm here for fitness education or Dr. Mike's wicked sense of humor

[@InappropriateShorts]

you’re here for his pork sword

[@WrathofDash]

Why not both?

[@Julie60-l9g]

Me too!!! I always wind up bursting out in laughter over something he says😂

[@lamarhollyfield3997]

I remember gaining so much weight my first 6months of trucking. Went from 205lbs in June to 240lbs by December. One thing I remember while going to trucking school is when a trainer said the road will kill you slowly so take care of yourself while you can .

[@cynicalclockworks9857]

My uncle was a trucker for 35 years. Gained 20lbs every year for the first 5 years, and then 5lbs every year after that. Died at 66, weighing 365lbs at 5'10" from a massive aneurysm. The road is definitely a killer, and it's very hard to find time to move/train. Good luck.

[@Jmon808]

I think all that sitting adds up. Hips shut down body shuts down

[@BungieStudios]

You're pulling all that weight with your truck and can't find time to lift it? At 240, you'd be such a beast if you could find the time and will to train. Even then, calories are king.

[@leonro]

@@BungieStudios Truck drivers, especially international ones here in Europe (I suppose inter-state drivers in USA?) don't even have much in terms of healthy food options, because they're always on the road and all the highway restaurants you can find are junk food places. Their salaries don't help either with making better food choices. It doesn't help that most people form bad habits in school, and will take them along in adulthood, where you often become more sedentary if you don't care about it. Overall, I have no idea how I'd manage to be in a consistent caloric deficit if I were a long distance truck driver.

[@cuteface88]

@@leonro Just go to McDonald's and order beef patties. Nothing else. You won't have problems.

[@callumthorsen5474]

And if I remember correctly red meat was also classified as burgers from fast food restaurants where ofcourse it was consumed with the usual fast food restaurant junk aswell but the red meat was ofcourse the culprit

[@z0mbi3slay3r700]

Exactly. There are a ton of other confounding variables that aren't taken into account. Eating a greasy ass burger (with the fries and a soda) isn't the same as eating lean steak with some vegetables. Somehow, that's all under the umbrella of "red meat"

[@ajr1775]

Exactly, it's not the red meat that is hurting you. It's the shitty excuse of bread and calorie dense sauces full of preservatives and additives that cause that plaque in your arteries. Not the animal tissue.

[@justalonelypoteto]

I mean it is still absolutely red meat, you need to remember that it'd be a picture of the average red meat consumption population-wide, most people aren't meatheads that get crazy over a lean skirt steak but instead they like burgers and whatnot. I agree that lean red would be good to study on its own, not because the fat is inherently bad, we've had many justified doubts about the diet-heart disease hypothesis stuff for a good decade already, but instead since it's seen as a "healthy" option in a way it's generally not as likely to get paired with other possibly interfering junk, as you said (and the participants are more likely to eat relatively well on average, actually a concern I have with the whole "eggs are definitely healthy" crowd as most of the large studies on cholesterol that show little correlation also have high baseline consumption and it's very possible it could just be a curve that's tapering off at that baseline)

[@GoneCarnivore]

I did carnivore diet for 8 months and a couple months of that was only red meat. I have never felt better. I am a "hard gainer" if there is such a thing so it takes a lot of food for me to gain. I just can't eat enough calories on a carnivore diet to gain weight. I counted calories and to be in a surplus was brutally hard to eat that much food. I maintained weight without counting though. I have weighed between 170 and 175 for the past year.

[@mattsapero1896]

Y’all are delusional. Eat corpses (meat) and you’ll quickly become a corpse. The End.

[@gball8466]

To further complicate the whole topic: self reported data is garbage. It's been shown over and over that people don't know what they ate in the past week let alone decade. The reported data can also be influenced by loads of stuff - what kind of media the person consumes, socioeconomic status, who you hang out with, etc.. Studies that rely on that kind of info should be taken with a huge grain of salt, regardless of their 'findings'.

[@imageword5576]

people also lie about what they eat and how much of it they eat, both to the researchers and even to themselves unconsciously, so yeah...

[@craigm8983]

Dr. Mike, your videos are so informative, entertaining, and inspiring. You are a hilarious personality, and I am so thankful for your content.

[@truckermarc790]

As a truck driver who was over the road for 2 years, now local I felt that

[@M.W.T]

I’m a kinesiology student and I feel like ive learned more from this KZbin channel than ive learned in the past 3 years of university

[@DudeWheresMyCardz]

Because it's easier to watch a video than it is to find the Information yourself

[@Hans-Peter-o9n]

Then studying is not for you

[@donovangregoire3453]

Oh man, Dr Mike just brought back Liver king out of hiding 😂

[@Pico141]

He's not hiding, now he claims that he's not juicing for like 80 days and hitting new records in the gym 😂

[@jesus_is_my_spotter]

I personally like to vary my protein sources by consuming red meat once or twice a week and pork as well. I also eat lamb or bison once a week. I believe the nutrients slightly differ between sources and shoot for a balanced approach.

[@vssj91]

Regardless of whether red meat is bad for you or not, it's bad for the animals considering they are subjected to s3xu4l violation, exploitation, slaughter and objectification of vulnerable, complex, sentient beings that are similar to us in many ways. There is no moral justification for that. Go vegan.

[@BuckingHorse-Bull]

Everything is good in moderation. And how stress our body gets trying to consume red meat compared to plant base.

[@Cenot4ph]

It's fine to eat primarily beef, for the best protein source get in a good amount of eggs

[@Cenot4ph]

​@udaysaleen this is absolutely false. Meat is easier to digest because it's mostly dissolved in your stomach already. Plants on the other hand are much harder to digest and do need the intestinal tract to break down which can take some time.

[@akbananachucker2441]

@@Cenot4ph and plants have all kinds of poisons to protect them from being eaten. They can't run away or be as heavy as a cow to try and kill it would probably take a village if you had only sticks or arrows made from rocks. The fiber alone is impossible for us to digest. Cows have to re chew it to get the nutrients out and them have a 4 chambered stomach as well. We're on the same side😂👍

[@samuraibat1916]

I watched this after eating 40 pounds of smoked brisket. Thanks for making me feel better about it, Doc.

Ahh the model of a healthy diet 😂

[@EbonyPope]

Nutrition made simple also made good videos about it and even when controlling for factors like smoking and lifestyle there was still a detrimental effect although much smaller and of course only in presence of a certain amount of red meat. I would like to see what Mike says about that.

[@samuraibat1916]

@@EbonyPope Dr. Carvalho is the best. I normally don't eat that much red meat, though.

[@EbonyPope]

@@samuraibat1916 From what I gathered we are getting more and more certain that we can attribute detrimental effects to meat at a certain dose but at the same time the effect size is getting smaller. So we are more and more confident about an ever smaller effect on health like Mike said. However below a certain threshold there is no effect at all. Also eating healthy fatty fish seems to greatly benefit everyone. I would recommend to you to search for the new findings of the Adventist diet. Vegans are not considered healthier anymore than meat eaters. The healthiest were the people who consumed a lot of fish and veggies. With such a diet it seems you can eat a certain amount of meat without worrying. What is troubling sometimes with these health channels that they end up obsessing over food and developing a so called orthorexia. The compulsion to eat healthy food. And this can become pathological. Just do it like our grandfathers. Of everything a little bit but not to much of anything. It's a trivial advice but it is correct.

[@samuraibat1916]

Beans, greens, whole grains, eggs, and dairy are my foundation. I have red meat occasionally and fish fairly regularly. Thank you, though.

[@PLF...]

As a food scientist, it's really really odd to find someone on youtube - especially in the health/fitness area of content - to just be reliably right about everything. Pretty much never happens with all these easy to grab buzz words floating in the air and people trying to get their clout wherever they can.

[@vitalykaplan4573]

I like eating meat 🥩, it is delicious! But should I be concerned about the growth hormones, and antibiotics?

[@MaxSoininen]

I bet you loved the game changers! That disgrace of a documentary is still rated high on most sites which is so sad.

[@ConfusedIceberg-vd7qc]

What? A food scientist. Of course you’ll be on this guys side. Everything is under a microscope to you and people like you always get caught in details and can’t see the forest for the tress. You are blind and trapped in your domain and can’t even see that.

[@ConfusedIceberg-vd7qc]

@@MaxSoininenyup that’s this guy. A food “scientist”. The worst

[@johnrambo4245]

This guy is a qualified Professor

[@MrSeedi76]

I've read this book by David Agus (I think) about cancer and longevity. And he mentioned another thing that wasn't mentioned in the video. Even if red meat might slightly raise the cancer risks, it only raises the base risk not the overall risk. Which is the impression the sensationalist headlines often try to make. Let's say an individual has a base risk for colon cancer of 20 % (due to genetics, etc) and he eats raw meat a lot which might raise it (absolutely hypothetical numbers here) 10 % then it's only 10 % of 20 % not a 10 % raise overall. So, yeah, influence is probably minimal. Another case of correlation rather than causation is in fact being overweight. They did studies on sumo wrestlers and they didn't suffer from all the stuff "normal" overweight people do because they're also super fit under all that mass. So neither meat eating nor weight are the huge "killers" we've been told. The bigger risk is probably another factor - not moving. A friend of mine had depression (he was super fit before, being an arborist) and suffered a thrombosis just from lying on his couch too long drinking himself into a stupor.

[@researchproject034]

What's the book called?

[@EbonyPope]

Nutrition made simple also made good videos about it and even when controlling for factors like smoking and lifestyle there was still a detrimental effect although much smaller and of course only in presence of a certain amount of red meat. I would like to see what Mike says about that.

[@snaxximan5737]

There is absolutely no link between red meat and any disease. Not a single one. Not even "its a little bad". Red meat is in fact the perfect food for humans.

[@Eaon69]

bingo. exactly it is your risk tolerance and it is different for each single human being.

[@zentzu4003]

100% the terminology is there to scare you, a 10% increase in risk is like you say, 10% increase of the original risk which is often only like 1-2%

[@teigeofee9383]

Love this series. Can you do one on vegetable oils? I keep hearing from certain people that canola, soybean, and vegetable oil is just bad for you. I'm calling bs.

[@austin6041]

Anything with soy or any seed oils should not be consumed if you are a male.

[@bendagostino2217]

Would love this one.

[@dillon7748]

I'm no nutritionist, admittedly, but the way I think of it is the more processed a particular food item is, probably the worse for you in large quantities. For example, while bacon and pork belly are technically the same cut of meat, the processing that includes salt, sugars, preservatives etc. used in making bacon, probably make it less healthy to consume than if you were to cook fresh pork belly, even if you use some salt and sugar in the recipe. In the same way, oils that require extreme, industrial temperatures to render and then require chemicals, bleaches and preservatives to be shelf stable and not taste rancid are probably not going to be as bioavailable a source of fat as something like cold pressed extra-virgin olive oil. This is again, intuitive rather than combing studies and meta-analyses, so take it for what it's worth. I'll also say, anecdotally I personally feel more of a difference in how good I feel, cutting out highly refined oils than any other food product, including refined sugars. I also just much prefer the taste of fats like olive, avocado, coconut oil, ghee, butter, tallow etc. You do you and I'm sure most oils can be fine in moderation if you're getting lots of other healthy foods and keeping calories in check, but that's my 2 cents on highly processed oils.

[@Mtruzz]

Seed oils are the real killers

[@frankchen4229]

@@Mtruzz No, they aren't. They're not health items but that doesn't mean they're immediate poison.

[@svensnus]

Hey Mike, could you plllss make a video about the possible THC effects on regeneration and muscle calming after training? (And maybe to what degree it maybe impairs/benefits a hypertrophy routine) That would be awesome, to finally have a scientific insight, and you would be THE MAN for that 💪🏼🫡

[@zoheezus]

Thank you Dr Mike. I will be downloading and then injecting this video into some A1 sauce and pouring it over my steak tonight. Love, your biggest fan 💖💖

[@shawnyasin2307]

No one has humor like Dr. Mike😂

[@michaelread328]

Your children are made of red meat, the irony

[@nocolonstillpullin]

Why I watch all of your videos: 70% the amazing free information you provide and 30% hearing you say “gee whiz”

[@zacharyperkins9489]

Recently discovered this channel and can’t get enough!

[@GoneCarnivore]

I ate only red meat for about 6 weeks and I felt amazing. I did it as an experiment to see if it would get rid of joint pain that I suffered from for 7 SEVEN YEARS!!!. My Joint Pain was GONE IN 2 WEEKS!!! Currently I eat everything and my joint pain has not returned. Was my joint pain a gut related issue? Who knows. Anecdotal yes. The answer to my problem? Absolutely.

[@jj900]

Thats the ketosis

[@J0shua2326]

I always tell people when they site these studies that there also a big difference between the subjects consuming red meat in the form of McDonald’s and fast food compared with someone having a steak and potatoes etc

[@MrSnakekaplan]

Yer i remember that big vegan movie on Netflix comparing a strict vegan health plan to a dude eating KFC. So disingenuous.

[@Jakesmusings]

I don’t know what I like better; Dr Mike’s sarcasm, his little anecdotes, or the great info I get from each one! Keep up the good work!😊

[@biellyroker7348]

“Ya feel me, family? Hehe ya boy is on it”😂

[@MacDiggityDog]

I'd love to hear your thoughts about the recent erythritol scare going around

[@apocalypse487]

I'd like to see more studies to back original findings. If there's more evidence leading to the original conclusion, then I'll follow. Also depends on the parameters of the study. How it was set up, how many people, were they reporting in frequently, the length of the study. Lots of factors apply.

[@z0mbi3slay3r700]

I'm pretty sure Layne Norton came out with a video on this yesterday. I saw some stuff on his IG. He thinks the study is crap and is reverse causation. According to him, they measured blood erythriol and not consumed erythriol lol. He thinks its more like "sick people have more erythriol in their blood, not erythriol makes people sicker"

[@MacDiggityDog]

@@z0mbi3slay3r700 interesting. I had not heard that. pretty much all i have heard is that testers administered roughly 20% bodyweight of erythritol to rats. ingesting 20% bodyweight of practically anything will yield a host of negative side effects, so i can't do much with that information. i'll check out the layne norton vid, thanks.

[@z0mbi3slay3r700]

@@MacDiggityDog No problem! This recent study that came out was on humans. It's what I was referencing and what the media has been on about. Many of the subjects had previously had heart attacks too, so go figure lol.

[@RoeeNegbyDaHot]

Watch Dr. Gil Carvalho's video on it.

[@todo9633]

Yeah, I've been trying to convince my family for decades that correlation doesn't mean causation, especially when it comes to such huge meta-analysis studies. I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that people who choose to eat white meat(probably because they believe it's healthier, or for the lower fat content) might also make other choices in life that make them healthier.

[@aWildNelby]

“If humans weren’t meant to be eaten, why are they made of red meat?” -Armin Meiwes

[@drednac]

I think I have read somewhere that the read meat contains something that poultry and fish don't have which might be a carcinogen (I don't remember). I think with the meat in general the biggest issue is probably amount of saturated fat that's in it and the fact that is usually prepared on high temperatures which we know for sure create a lot of carcinogen compounds like acrylamide, etc. .. so not exactly healthy.

[@jlall4467]

If you cook red meat you will always get some carcinogens but to heavily reduce it make sure to not barbecue as much, cook under slightly lower temperature and don’t over cook meat. Also if there is a burnt part on the outside of your steak cut it off and don’t eat it (unless you really love the taste of burnt meat as long as you are aware of the risks)

[@cbraat27]

Salt it and eat it raw💪

[@JD-mz1rl]

I thought you were going to talk about the cofounder of grill contaminants that were present in some of the initial studies. Another angle to consider -- you made the case for the minimal harm of red meat, but look at the other side of the coin -- what are its benefits vs other protein & fat sources? Seems to be many

[@parmveerminhas917]

Can you please make a video on vegetable oils and seed oils?

[@harryv6752]

Dr. Berg's got some great info on seed oils.

[@user95395]

@@harryv6752Yeah but Berg is a scientologist fraud. He's been called out several times.

[@austinhowell3463]

The deranged tangent inserts are skillfully crafted

[@miltkarr5109]

Just eat it boiled steamed or fermented.

[@Osprey1994]

Knowledge and laughter. Good shit.

[@neilc.633]

Like most information on the internet, this piece should be taken in context and with the realization that just as isolating those risk factors is important to see the effects of the variable you're looking to study, human beings aren't generally as easy to isolate. I.e., most people won't simply eat meat in moderation, or more importantly, they will do it to the exclusion of other sources. This also doesn't consider other effects that excluding red meat has, which is to compel consumption of more calories from cleaner sources, which, in turn, generates generally positive results. And all this completely belies the environmental factors involved in the production of red meat, which, in turn affect the overall environment, which certainly affect the health of all those both tangentially involved in the production as well as the world as a whole. But, most people will see what they want in this video, and take away that there is nothing negative with red meat. Good video, I believe there is accurate information therein, but i also find it incomplete in terms of a full picture of rhe implications of red meat consumption.

[@sinisterpink9907]

9:58 LMAO okay I didn't see that dig coming, good one :p

[@landonpwilcox6611]

Love that Doc knows how to read stats. Quality explanation of how those analyses work. 🤙

[@Ken_9000]

Thank you man love this channel!

[@sxhrgvs]

Interesting and helpful. Thanks Mike.

[@esch4920]

Also bad information. Yet who cares.

[@soyboy3802]

​@@esch4920 🤡

[@pemborsky]

I'm finding myself watching these videos more and more for the comedy and less and less for the hypertrophy science. Although it sure is a bonus! Keep it coming, Dr Mike 🤙

[@aleksijohannes430]

YES FINALLY! Now I can show this to my parents and they'll stop worrying that I will suddenly drop dead from eating my beef.

[@isaarunarom7830]

I do 10 to 16 oz(minimum)of red meat everyday for 10 months and I'm in the best health of my life.

[@nykka3]

What do they suggest ,soy?

[@crazycarl8266]

Will it actually stop them worrying? My parents have the same worries but this video would not change their minds in the slightest.

[@carlo5442]

@@nykka3 What's wrong with soy?

[@L1TEW8IGHT]

Can't change a normies mind no matter what lol no offense to anyone's parents.... Mine are the same!

[@evan1036]

I was a truck driver and can confirm that except for eating raw meat, it's worse than the stereotype 90% of the time

[@N1120A]

That Liver Ding crack at the end was amazing. Very lean red meats are almost certainly not harmful, and likely beneficial. The problem is the saturated fat in fatty cuts, like that rib eye. Also, the Diet of the animal almost certainly makes a major difference, as does the type of animal

[@stelthtenau]

Saturated fat is good fat.

[@N1120A]

@@stelthtenau you probably think Brian Johnson is natural too

[@blaine6097]

@@N1120A another fats fear monger

[@N1120A]

@@blaine6097 you came to the wrong page

[@akbananachucker2441]

Saturated fats ARE good for you! You tuat. Pay attention. Fatty meats are in. Veggies and carbs are out. Keep following these vegan pansies and you're going to turn into a pansy too. Half way there if you ask me😂

[@LaminarSound]

Ive been straight carnivore for 5 weeks now. Down 12 lbs. from 193 to 181. My neck pain is gone. Im sleeping way better. I feel amazing almost to the point of being euphoric. At this point veggies seem completely gratuitous. Carbs i do miss, i mean who doesnt love to gorge on chips and salsa or bread? But i feel so much better im not pondering how much longer i can do this. Originally the plan was 6 weeks but it dont wanna stop now. Meat heals. I truly believe this.

[@chuysontest4425]

Man I waited 32 years to hear this, I was always forced to put meat in my mouth even when I was young, everyone told me. School teachers, karate instructor, cousins, now I know they were just wanting me to gain muscle,

[@vssj91]

Regardless of whether red meat is bad for you or not, it's bad for the animals considering they are subjected to s3xu4l violation, exploitation, slaughter and objectification of vulnerable, complex, sentient beings that are similar to us in many ways. There is no moral justification for that. Go vegan.

[@mo12ism]

Please say pause

[@chuysontest4425]

@@mo12ism ohhh my fault lol no homo… pause lol

[@egregiousblunder5395]

Stop putting people's meat in your mouth.

[@leebal321]

Lol

[@maxeddis1138]

How do you make a video like this without at least touching on saturated fat? No one eats 100% lean red meat in isolation, it always has, sometimes in significant amounts, saturated fat which has been conclusively linked to CVD

[@YMESYDT]

I've been eating a person a week for years and my health has never been better!

[@rockyevans1584]

The other other other white meat

[@akbananachucker2441]

😂I love it. I eat 24 oz of red meat a day and I feel like a new man. Everywhere!!! Eat the meat. Leave the rise and vegies.

[@imaresurcher]

@@akbananachucker2441 lol love how youre called bananachucker because with comments like this youre clearly as smart as a baboon!!!!

[@kilo6037]

Always great videos and very informative 💪🏻💪🏻

[@mattystewart8]

“And theyre made of red meat”… i laughed so hard at this i almost shit a kidney

[@imageword5576]

it wasn't that funny

[@oliverhoschi6135]

Reminds me of the talking about Butter and Margarine. "Eat Margarine, its Plantbased, Butter is bad for you"... Yeah and now what? Butter is good and Margarine is the one to avoid at any costs. And Red Meat is the same. Its not that bad. Ok its maybe not good, but not bad. Red meat is eaten for centurys, and nothing bad happened.

[@williamhauser3686]

Just curious, I wonder if that includes processed red meats too like bacon, postrami, and smoked brisket?

[@oscarjrwb]

At least with bacon there’s something called nitrites which are carcinogens but their effect is worsened by high temps and cooking time

[@likemy]

I've heard that excessive consumption of nitrates and other preservatives is not very good for your colon cancer risk, but I don't know if that's actually true. I stay away from them because i.) they are more expensive than unprocessed meats ii.) their macros are worse

[@sunttu333]

@@likemy Veggies have more nitrates than meat

[@likemy]

@@sunttu333 you are correct, which implies that popular 'understanding' of nitrites and nitrates in food needs an overhaul. There must be another element to the story of cancer risk

[@sunttu333]

@@likemy Perhaps people who go for the more processed meats have other bad habits that have the risks that are blamed on meat for some reason. Seems like a lot of mainstream nutrition advice is based on very shoddy research at best and is just malicious at worst

[@thomaswilliams7276]

Damn, I wish you was a lecturer at my university, you broke that down in such an easy way to understand.

[@TigerShark316]

I swear I would pay for tickets if he did these lectures live!

[@ActionP]

The guy is absurdly entertaining. Love it. There are others on KZbin who I really don't enjoy telling the right things. But Dr Mike is very different.

[@Adrian-cn5rk]

Vegan Gains has entered the chat. I know some will argue that the dairy and meat industries that sponsor certain studies and therefore they have a vested interest in portraying meat and dairy as good for you by cherry picking data

[@catstaico]

We don't listen to them here.

[@rockyevans1584]

I believe they are taking into consideration which studies are conducted relatively properly or not.

[@akbananachucker2441]

Vegan gains can just leave again. You are a pansy and you know it. Red fatty meat is in. Cholesterol makes testosterone wich makes more muscles. Less testosterone makes you a pansy therefore plants make you into a pansy. Veggies and carbs make you sick too. All plants have a ton of toxins wich make you bald and have weak nails. Also weak bones. There's a ton of pansies that have come over to the dark side of fatty meats to heal and grow hair.

[@treali]

Most people naming sponsors conveniently forget that some of the most evil companies in the world like Nestle produce mostly plant-based foods. It is also a 100% confirmed fact that these companies lobbied for things like sugar knowing well how bad it is for your health. Not to mention the enormous government subsidy for plant-based agriculture that has to be justified and ideologically driven people who want to reduce meat consumption to save the planet. The fact that so much scrutiny has fallen upon red meat and the best they can come up with is "probably bad, but not by a lot, eat moderation to be sure" makes me confident in the benefit of meat.

[@imaresurcher]

@@catstaico yeh wouldnt wanna get the bad feelies when confronted with science and logic. LALALA I CANT HEAR U

[@Psychoveliatonet]

These stories are amazing!

[@ss4yaasir524]

Hey Dr. Mike and team rp, amazing video as always. I have a question, so I’ve heard when it comes to building muscle that red meat is the best protein source due to the micronutrients found with them. And chicken per se is pretty poop as it has a lot of protein sure but little no micronutrients as opposed to red meat. Is this true or not, also if not is there a protein you would recommend? Thanks :)

[@guyangunasekera3557]

You’re right.

[@SantaClaas666]

Chicken vs red meat in regards to micronutrients shouldnt make a difference. BECAUSE (hopefully) you're getting all your micronutrients from vegetables. Eat your veggies.

[@guyangunasekera3557]

@@SantaClaas666 No veggies have vitamin B12

[@treali]

@@SantaClaas666 Just making sure that people know, meat like beef has way more nutrition than veggies, but definitely get both!

[@SantaClaas666]

@@guyangunasekera3557 No but eggs and milk have plenty. Thats why vegetarians arent so dependent on B12 suppl. as vegans are.

[@ciggeslifts]

2:49 god I love you Mike, this shit Is so fucking funny but also REAL CAUSE SAME HAHA

[@JonathanDLynch]

My suggestion is to eat to your lab results. If your diet produces good lab results, it's working for you. Just be sure to use multiple measures, not just LDL cholesterol.

[@vssj91]

Regardless of whether red meat is bad for you or not, it's bad for the animals considering they are subjected to s3xu4l violation, exploitation, slaughter and objectification of vulnerable, complex, sentient beings that are similar to us in many ways. There is no moral justification for that. Go vegan.

[@bredemeijer9648]

LDL is still the biggest killer.

[@N1120A]

Definitely use LDL and VLDL though.

[@defeqel6537]

@@bredemeijer9648 LDL is a marker, triglycerides is about twice as effective a marker though

[@Hari-du6pt]

Dr. Mike would be a great DnD narrator 😆 his improvised fantasy and narrations are top notch 😀

[@Mack_the_Knife]

Watching a video of yours is like signing a contract: "pay 0€ for high quality information" and the fineprint says "be humored". Best contract ever

[@arbbr9397]

8:57 that was really sweet thanks Mike I will have fun in college

[@ahanshankwalkar]

what about saturated fat, does that seem to have negative impacts independent of calories?

[@Firm-Tofu-King]

High amounts are bad, and red meat has some of the highest.

[@z0mbi3slay3r700]

Eat lean red meat and this becomes less of a problem. If you're exercising and eating plenty of fruits and veggies (not JUST meat) then effects are negligible. I'd recommend eating highly processed red meats (many deli meats, hot dogs, etc) in moderation as well.

[@Firm-Tofu-King]

@@z0mbi3slay3r700 what properties do fruits and vegetables have that negate the effects of red meat 😂😂😂😂 waiting for the study

[@Firm-Tofu-King]

@@z0mbi3slay3r700 wrong. There's 94 milligrams of cholesterol in normal red meat. 85% lean beef still has 78 milligrams of cholesterol, it's not enough of a reduction, it's almost the same as normal beef.

[@z0mbi3slay3r700]

@@Firm-Tofu-King different micronutrients, fiber, etc? Stuff that isn't found in meat in high amounts, duh. If meat makes up the large majority of your diet, you're gonna have shitty health and vice versa. Combine a balanced diet with exercise and you're setting up a solid base for great health.

[@alexs_thoughts]

The WHO has red meat as category 2A carcinogens, what would you say the status of that classification is?

[@imaresurcher]

it baaad. it real baaaad.

[@Teo_live]

The status means it may or may not cause cancer, and that it is potentially subject to bias, so I wouldn't bank on it. Even the type-1 category (which I agree with) is iffy at best.

[@MajesticAesthetic439]

Could you link your sources / References ?

[@Firm-Tofu-King]

Second

[@imaresurcher]

he doesn't do that, he has just said in a previous video to go buy his books if u want his sources, not even giving the exact book or chapter etc. bit sus to say the least, i would not be surprised if most of the sources he draws from are industry funded studies or meta analyses including such.

[@LorcaLoca]

​@@imaresurcher Industry funded sources are not necessarily unreliable, but yeah he's way out of his depth when it comes to nutrition science. Conspiratorial leaning even.

[@imaresurcher]

@@LorcaLoca not necessarily but when there's a trend of only industry funded studies showing favorable results you have to be skeptical. doesnt help matters that industry communications have been leaked showing their plans were to sow the seeds of doubt about the negative impact of their products, just like the tobacco industry tried to do initially

[@ervabarnes]

As someone who raises close to 100% of the protein that I consume it also bothers me that many studies decrying red meat don't take in to account the difference in quality from different sources.

[@glumberty1]

Are you assuming that there is a significant difference in quality?

[@DarthBunny314]

Unfortunately my uncle was that stereotypical truck driver -- died at 58, RIP (his parents lived into their 90s)

[@Oi-mj6dv]

They did the same with my boy good ole coffee. Turns out yeah, if you put cream in It all the time, take truckloads of sugar and light one up each time you have a coffee, no shit! Your health takes a hit! Im glad they redeemed themselves overtime

[@jayare611]

"And they're made of red meat! The irony..." lol

[@DAK.512]

Are these studies done with just beef? What about leaner red meat options like venison or elk?

[@jaredschmidt8013]

We’ve been eating red meat for millions of years but in the last 5 minutes it suddenly became bad for you.

[@HedgeOrDie]

Exactly. Because in the last few decades we processed it into hotdogs and bacon. Then washed it down with a coke. Nobodys ever done a study in people that eat "non-processed" red meat.

[@JimmyJohnson7077]

​@@HedgeOrDieyep but you'll find even processed canned meat(canned beef, tuna, spam...)is still better for you than bread's, pasta's and even large amounts of veggies/salads

[@jondoc7525]

Not true Jimmy depends on gmo Italy you lose weight eating carbs . Depends on quality like people say here . They poison us so you think it’s bad

[@tharuckus5595]

And the average lifespan was also 35 for most of that period..

[@jaredschmidt8013]

@@tharuckus5595 Was that because everyone lived passed their first few years and suddenly dropped dead at the age of 35, or was it because many of them died before they reached the age of one, died during childbirth, lacked medicine, lived dangerous lifestyles, and were constantly at war over land and resources? Try actually thinking before you say things.

[@broccoli-fn5406]

The first 1 minute was basically a description of attack on titan😂

[@quintonthomas983]

LOL! These videos never get old. Love the information and comedy!

[@Spreadlove5683]

I thought red meat increases mTOR which has been shown in isolation (rapamycin studies) to affect longevity generally speaking?

[@heythere1115]

Folks on the Carnivore diet will just stop listening at 8:45 😂😂😂😂😂😂 plenty of fruits, veggies, and whole grains folks

[@2ChainsMC]

Also worth noting that some people digest and utilize red meat better than other because of genetics. I get the most benefit from red meat in comparison to other meats. It also helps that red meat has cholesterol and cholesterol helps manufacture testosterone in the body

[@akbananachucker2441]

I totally agree. I eat 24 oz of meat a day and I feel a lot less of a weenie now😂. Red meat is wear it's at.

[@levirognejensen1745]

Your body makes the cholesterol you use to make hormones.

[@defeqel6537]

@@levirognejensen1745 yup, we barely absorb any of the cholesterol we eat. Well, we do, but not as cholesterol

[@imaresurcher]

wow, echo chamber of r-tards in here

[@BenjaminGessel]

I mean, beef and pork, turkey and lamb, sausage and chicken, duck and bison, boar and bacon, rabbit and venison, elk and bear, caribou and mutton, veal and goat, I mean… 🥩🥓🍗🍖🥓🍗🍖🥩🥩🥓🍗🍗🍖🥩🥩🥓🥩🍗🍗🍗🥩🥩🍖🍖🍗🍗🍗🥩🥩🥩🥓🥩🍗🍗🍖🥩🥓🥓🥓🍗🍗🍗🍗🥩🥩🥩🥩🥩🍗🍗🍗🍖🥩🥩🥓🥓🥩🥩🥩🥩 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

[@EbonyPope]

Nutrition made simple also made good videos about it and even when controlling for factors like smoking and lifestyle there was still a detrimental effect although much smaller and of course only in presence of a certain amount of red meat. I would like to see what Mike says about that.

[@poece]

I know this isn't scientific at all but Ive always kind of gone by, if humans have been eating something for millions of years, its probably not bad. It seems like this is turning out to be true for red meat. Yeah I can see the benefit in limiting red meat even if just so I get a varied diet (I'd rather eat fish, shellfish, poulrty, dairy, legumes etc and not just red meat) but the idea that eating a steak twice a week will kill you always seemed insane to me.

[@mrose4132]

Many people eat exclusively red meat and have fewer ailments and better health markers. It's processed foods, alcohol, and tobacco that are bad.

[@mcfarvo]

It's not that bad. Should you eat a variety of protein sources and not 100% fatty red meat? Probably.

[@mcfarvo]

Poultry, fish, crustaceans, insects, dairy, eggs, beef, pork, lamb, goat, high-protein complementary plant sources, etc.

[@akbananachucker2441]

@@mcfarvo yes to all except the bugs and carbs. Carnivore all the way

[@reddillon8425]

@@akbananachucker2441 all diets that aren't omnivorous, whether that be vegan, vegetarian, or carnivore, are all fucking retarded. the obvious ideal choice for a human being is to eat a balanced diet, this is literally what we're evolved to eat, we are not carnivores, we are omnivores.

[@mr.mani707]

Really great information ❤❤

[@tarheelace]

Some context: Red meat is not “bad.” If your concern is heart disease or stroke, then what’s bad is excess LDL cholesterol. If you eat nothing but sausage and bacon, but your LDL is under 70, then your circulatory system might still be ok. Otherwise, most people will be well-served to take some sort of action to reduce LDL below 70. One way to do that is to reduce saturated fat intake, and animal meat and dairy are the primary spices of saturated fat.

[@tarheelace]

Primary “sources” not “spices”!

[@zsuzsuspetals]

Great video. Yet the first thing most doctors tell patients with high LDL is to cut back on red meat and other animal products. The negative things I've always read and heard about red meat is regarding cholesterol. Then when people cut back red meat and their LDL number goes down, I can see how it can seem like red meat is the problem. There are several doctors on you tube who say that it's NOT about the lifestyle of the patient (smoking, obesity) but the actual red meat itself. And these aren't vegan doctors. They are all about the science and controlled studies. Does it matter maybe how fatty the red meat is? Like a greasy cheeseburger versus a super lean elk steak? I want to get my LDL number down but I don't want to give up red meat.

[@SideSwipez77]

I was really hoping you would mention the WHO classifying red meat as carcinogenic. I can’t tell you how many times that gets thrown in my face by my LA friends 😫

[@willgd6666]

In case anyone is curious about some nuance to carcinogen classifications, I'll give my understanding of it. The IARC does these clasifications that the WHO would post, and they have multiple gorups of carcinogens. Group 1 are known carcinogens with strong evidence, you can find anything from ionizing radiation to alchoholic beverages here. Red meat is in group 2A of probable carcinogens, this group is somewhat less evidenced, relying more on animal studies or mechanisms. A few others things in 2A are inorganic lead compounds and night shift work or even "very hot beverages" (65C). If your friends from LA drink hot coffee, you can throw that right back at them.

[@SecretMarsupial]

As a general rule ignoring the WHO will lead to you being better off

[@stefanwullems]

Read in the fantastic Sapolsky book on stress that LDL cholesterol, the sticky bad kind of cholesterol, by itself isn’t too dangerous, but can become dangerous when there is already vascular damage: Vascular damage can be formed by high blood pressure for instance, which can be caused by stress. Blood clots are often formed by all kinds of random materials in the bloodstream glomming on to these damaged sites and LDL is a substance that is very eager to do this. So in effect, eating LDL cholesterol as a chronically stressed individual might substantially increase heart disease risk, while eating it as a chill boi might not really have any negative effects at all. So I’m not trying to claim anything about red meat, that’s not my point, my point is that this strategy of isolating a single variable by factoring out the other variables might fail to account for these kinds of interactions between variables. Some things by themselves actually are harmless, but the harm comes from interaction between that thing and something else. I’d be interested to see if there is any kind of evidence on the negative health effects of red meat plus stress for instance.

[@Psalms144]

When I was going through chemo, I ate red meat (beef and lamb mostly) 5-6 times a week, sometimes twice a day. Milk every day. My doctor said my diet and training regimen (hypertrophy) was the reason my cancerous lymph nodes were shrinking faster than expected, and was why she cut back my chemo by 2 rounds, and eliminated the forecasted radiation regimen from my treatment schedule. If red meat could do that for me while FIGHTING cancer, imagine what it could do before you even have cancer??

[@akbananachucker2441]

That's awesome. I love fatty red meat too. Been carnivore for about a year now and it's changed my life too. Good luck. Stay away from carbs. I'm sure you know that cancer loves carbs.

[@Psalms144]

@@akbananachucker2441 oh yeah! Always fatty, never lean red meat. And thanks man! To be honest, I do still intake carbs, but it's the least consumed macro for me. Protein first, fat second, carbs 3rd. Works like a charm for me

[@mrmaxcarter2306]

That's not science. You might have had the same result of eating a plant based diet. Exercise is good and not eating highly processed junk food is good. Eating red meat first Short window isn't going to drastically change your health. What else were you eating? And what weren't you eating? Unless you were only eating Red meat and milk, how do you knit wasn't something else? But Even then, it's still meaningless without a study. There are people who have reversed cancer by doing nothing. Rare, but it happens. It's why we need studies. But getting rid of highly processed food is definitely a good idea.

[@dunghuynh4734]

Love the humour in every video 📹 🤣👍

[@richardschatz9992]

Is there a correlation between red meat and increased LDLs? If so, what are your thoughts on that?

[@AdamS789]

Check out Dr Berry’s video on this topic. LDL is a bad measurement overall and doesn’t matter much. Low LDL is more tightly correlated to early death than high.

[@defeqel6537]

It depends on the person, some do increase LDL, others don't. As mentioned, LDL is kind of a bad measure by itself, high triglycerides and low HDL are much more meaningful. Many studies also mix processed meats and red meats, where the former is usually slightly bad and the latter not at all

[@imaresurcher]

you wont get much from this echo chamber of r-tards im afraid. do your own research, dr mike is here to make money telling the suckers what they wanna hear. doesnt even cite his sources for god sake. gotta buy his books for that ofc

[@zsuzsuspetals]

Here is the rebuttal that I've read from several doctors regarding many people having a heart attack with low LDL. The reason reason is an event like a heart attack or stroke will lower your LDL temporarily. So that's how the numbers of heart attacks/strokes in patients with low LDL comes about. Just like even someone with high blood pressure will have low blood pressure if they pass out. That heart related event will result in a temporary drop in LDL. And that prior to the heart attack these same people likely had decades of high LDL. So that's the disbute I've read. I have always had high LDL. Even when I was pescatarian for a few years. Now I love my red meat but it does scare me a little. I don't know what to think because there are so many doctors who contradict each other. @@AdamS789

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[@rinkuhero]

did you forget the 'grains of truth' section here? i was expecting that you'd talk about how processed red meat (e.g. slices of salami preserved with nitrates/nitrites) actually is bad for you. like when people say red meat is bad, they don't just mean steak. they mean roast beef slices, hot dogs, bacon, and stuff like that.

[@defeqel6537]

Processed meats are (usually) bad for you, but even there the relative risk increases are rather small (around 15%), and it seems they are the worse the more vegetable oils are added to them

[@Funguysd]

Love your videos; can you link the studies you say don’t show a strong correlation or none at all? I’ve had others point to studies that do show a strong correlation so I’d like to see the ones you say don’t.

[@imaresurcher]

when asked about sources he just gave a vague answer of "buy my books". no specific book or chapter cited or anything. in other words this is about telling his audience what they want to hear so they can feel better about their bad habits. he's good on the exercise science but grifting on the nutrition science as it's a more contentious issue that could cost him sales.

[@bredemeijer9648]

Maybe do an intro on moderation before telling people they can probably do this or that. Most people eat and drink way too much to still consider it healthy enough. All the little / moderate things count up to be deadly.

[@TheRealRabbitHole]

A new confounding factor is PFAs in beef. Not sure when PFAs snuck into the meat (caused largely by using sewage treatment water as fertilizer) compared to when studies started suggesting a correlation between red meat and health issues but it's something to keep an eye on. To confound things even more, you could have a herd of cattle with a ton of PFAs in their meat and a herd with much less PFA contamination. This would, I imagine, make studying difficult. Is it beef or is it the environment in which we raise beef that is the issue?

[@geekspeak1066]

Been eating 1kg of meat a day for 3 years. Only thing that happened was I lost 100lbs of fat, got jacked and improved every health marker.

[@imaresurcher]

i did the same while snorting coke, must be good.

[@Teo_live]

@@imaresurcher Coke doesn't get you jacked. Regardless, try to argue at a level higher than vegan gains if you want to be taken seriously.

[@meathead365]

The humour is excellent Thank you

[@MindControll]

Red meat is classified as a *probable carcinogen*, meaning more likely than not it is a carcinogen. Those studies do adjust for other habits like smoking and exercise.

[@jamesstrom6991]

There are entire populations that eat almost exclusively red meat and have almost no cancer. Massai, traditional Inuit, and others. they’ve very healthy populations.

[@LaKeRsOvErCeLtIcS]

Ya boys on it 😜😂😂😂 Dr. Mike fuggin love ya man

[@austinblair5537]

I’ve eaten half a pound of 85/15 grass fed organic beef every day for years, I also eat free range organic chicken, grass fed bison, and elk throughout the week as well for years along with vegetables and fruits. Never had any issues, always had great energy, awesome gym sessions, never felt terrible in anyway and maintained a healthy physique.

[@z0mbi3slay3r700]

Reading this hurts my bank account 😭 I'm happy for you man! I wish ethical, higher quality meat options were cheaper! Where I'm at, just grass finished ground beef is 2x more expensive!

[@Firm-Tofu-King]

Most people feel okay before their first heart attack

[@SomeGuyCalledBugz]

Same dude, I’ve been cycling steroids for the past few years and I’ve never felt better and my physique is insane! I can’t imagine how great I’m going to feel at 65!

[@z0mbi3slay3r700]

@@SomeGuyCalledBugz nice false equivalency. 8oz of quality beef isn't anywhere close to abusing steriods lmafo. Be realistic

[@asdewq321qa6]

@@Firm-Tofu-King most vegans feel miserable before their first heart attack

[@brianc9430]

“Beeeef!! it’s what’s for Dinner!” - voice of beef commercial guy