Is Remarriage Sinful Debate: After Action Report

[@toddkerestes594]

I appreciate your view on this. Also, i like how you take a biblical view as opposed to a demoninational one. Too many times, catholics vs. non catholics argue over terms and traditions. Although there are distinct differences, there are also similarities with different names. What it comes down to is that we all will be judged by God's Word. Thank you for posting brother

[@RyanREAX]

1 Corinthians 7:39 - The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. Romans 7:2 - For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to [her] husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. Mark Chapter 10 11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

[@annikabee199]

May the Lord bring opportunities for more debates as the past mistakes in the thinking of the church about divorce and remarriage become exposed!

[@philipbuckley759]

thank you for you steadfast position to remarriage, is sin, and it needs to be addressed......or ended...

[@MMAGUY13]

I believe remarriage is ongoing adultery and if I’m wrong on judgment day I lost nothing if I’m right on judgment day the people who are in remarriages will be charged that’s the end of the story

[@SaintAthanasiusChurch]

Amen.

[@philipbuckley759]

@Kevin Hillier just calling people, out, that are believed to be living, in sin....

[@bradanderson4202]

This man is calmly explaining the truth. I see in the church people celebrating second and third marriages. While not morning the destruction of families through civil man divorce and people on the broad path. Every time i bring up this topic I get silence anger I've been called a pharisee. Or god forgives all sin but never mention repentance. People who teach marriage classes are in second or third marriage. In the videos and teaching they talk about permance. Where dud the permance go if ypure in a second marriage?

[@MMAGUY13]

@@bradanderson4202 The church is just the world theses days living in sin and expecting to go to heaven, they have become today’s culture

[@holinessofthebride1935]

This is a good review of some important practical points. Thank you. You mention John Piper's view that remarriage is always wrong, but if you are already living in it, God's grace will cover you, and you can remain in it. Recently there has been a video going around of Piper at his own son's remarriage. Not only does he attend, but he sits there and claps at the remarriage. So apparently, he thinks that not only is the adulterous union worth tolerating after it happens, but the ceremony forming the union is good enough to celebrate. That seems further proof that his doctrinal view is meaningless on a practical level, and at this point Piper probably knows that himself. I am very saddened by his false teachings, and pray for the day he repents.

[@SaintAthanasiusChurch]

Wow. This is saddening.

[@lanceallenmcginnis1105]

My wife divorced me 10 years ago. She married another man 4 years ago and divorced him a year later. Based on Deuteronomy 24 I am still not sure what to think about taking her back if she decided to repent and come back to me. What is your take on that?

[@SaintAthanasiusChurch]

We are sorry to hear of your situation. We would advise against taking your wife back. There is reasonable disagreement on whether the prohibition of return is still in effect in the New Covenant. We are persuaded it is still in effect, and in addition to the fear of God, would counsel remaining single. A reconciliation of forgiveness for past sins against one another is in order, but not a return to the original privileges of the marriage. It is similar to the Levite's return to the temple ministry in Ezekiel 44, forgiveness, but not full restoration. Deuteronomy 24 gives some of the highest warnings against the return, calling it an abomination. God bless, and may His Holy Spirit give you the wisdom and courage to follow His word and calling. Peace.

[@doglover19601]

Permanence of Marriage people say you can go back to your first spouse. They say because we don’t follow the Old Testament or Moses’s Law.

[@lanceallenmcginnis1105]

@@doglover19601 is there a new covenant verse, law, commandment… that would eliminate this Old Testament remarriage law?

[@doglover19601]

@@lanceallenmcginnis1105other scrip-refer to reconcile or remain single.I think that’s why they believe that.

[@bradanderson4202]

Yes when moses told the jews that another would come like me and to piste to himdeutoronomt 25 18. Then jesus told us that moses permitted you to divorce but i say to you whosever divorces his wife and marries another comiteth adultery and he that marries her that is put away also commits adultery. Jrsus took us back to the begging and reinstated original marriage laws.m​@lanceallenmcginnis1105

[@kathleenmcclernan3426]

People talking about the innocent party always cracks me up. There 9:29 rarely is an innocent party. There’s usually one that is set up to be the bad guy, but let me tell you, many times the” innocent party” is a complete snake. Furthermore, it doesn’t say the innocent party in the Bible. That’s because God knows it takes two to mess up a marriage.

[@philipbuckley759]

if marriage, by non believers, were invalid, then remarriage, or just walking away, at conversion would happen, and no one does this....

[@philipbuckley759]

sacramental.....if it is or not it does not change the idea of marriage....being a covenant....

[@philipbuckley759]

salvation does not make any difference.....as one has to realize that no one remarries, after having been saved....so pre conversion marriages, are valid..

[@philipbuckley759]

sacramental, etc....sounds like someone is clouding the waters with terms.....

[@JKMreina]

Jeremiah 3:1 "When a man divorces his wife, she leaves him and becomes another man's wife, will the first husband return to her again? In this scripture, God is showing that a marriage covenant can be dissolve through a bill of divorce. God is referring to Deu 24:4: "her first husband who married her and divorced her earlier must not remarry her, because she was defiled, since this is detestable to the Lord. Don't defile the land that the Lord your God is about to give you as a possession." God sent northern Israel away and gave a bill of divorce (Jeremiah 3:8). Northern Israel committed adultery, God doesn’t do unrighteous things, He doesn't violate His own word. When the relationship with God, the husband of Israel in the analogy, was broken by Israel’s unrepentant idolatry, which is a form of spiritual adultery . They were sexual fertility cults and there were a myriad of prostitutes, male and female, that engaged themselves with the so called worshippers in those cults. So it’s very reasonable to assume that while they were committing spiritual adultery, they were also engaged in physical adultery and which, played into the reason why Ezra told them to divorce their pagan wives. Not just because they threatened the future of the nation Israel by intermarriage, the nation could be lost as to its purity, but also they had been guilty of this adultery. Then again we see (book of Ezra), that Shechaniah says, "Let it be done according to the law" (verse 3), evidently referring to the law of divorce in Deuteronomy 24:1-2, where a man could divorce a wife if he found fault in her. Interestingly, we are told that it took a few months to "question" the men who had married pagan women (verse 17). Some of these women may have converted to the Israelite religion, as with Ruth and Rahab. If so, the examination may have included determining if these women were indeed still pagan, and only those who still were would have to have been put away. Here we can appreciate the mercy of God. God Himself could have executed adulterers. Every time somebody committed adultery, God could have upheld the original standard of Leviticus 20:10 and by a divine act, executed them on the spot. Jesus said to them, ‘Because of your hardness of heart’ (Matthew 19:8) because you never would do what the law said, because you never would obey, you never would implement the law; Moses permitted you to divorce your wives. But from the beginning it has not been this way.’” It was never God’s original intention. It was never God’s original plan. But you’re such a hard-hearted people that God graciously and mercifully held back the execution the adulterer deserved. And in its place, Moses allowed divorce. After all, the innocent party would have been freed from the marriage if God had executed the guilty party. The fact that God was merciful to the guilty party shouldn’t then penalize the innocent. So God allowed for divorce. And He allowed it because of the hardness of heart. That’s an expression intended to define willful, rebellious sin. we can say the only thing that breaks a marriage is sexual immorality (adultery). In God’s perfect plan, adultery would break a marriage by creating a widow who could then remarry. In God’s merciful plan, God allows for a divorce in the case of impenitent adultery to free the innocent party from that intolerable situation. So there’s not an Old Testament text that establishes the ground, but we can observe, that it’s established right here in Matthew 19:8 and 9 in the very words of Jesus.

[@SaintAthanasiusChurch]

Wrong. Divorce is permitted in the case of sexual immorality, but not remarriage precisely because the Scriptures teach that divorce does *not* dissolve the covenant. In Jeremiah 3, after God divorces Israel, He says this, "Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you." (Jeremiah 3:14) So, contrary to your first statement, this text teaches exactly the opposite of what you are saying - that divorce does not dissolve a marriage covenant.

[@JKMreina]

@@SaintAthanasiusChurch God was pleading for them to repent: 20Surely, as a treacherous wife leaves her husband, so have you been treacherous to me, O house of Israel. God was pleading for 400 years, so He divorced the Northern Israel. Where in the bible, did you receive an authoritative interpretation to tell remarried people to break their marriage covenant. Jesus told the Samaritan woman: “You are right in saying, ‘I have no husband’; 18for you have had five husbands, and the one you now have is not your husband. What you have said is true.” Jesus is affirming that those marriages were valid and when he said, you have told me the truth, he was dealing with her present state of sin. She (Samaritan) was with a man and was not marry to him. You don't seem to understand the mercy of God. You don't have any authoritative interpretation of scripture,given by God to make a doctrine for remarriage couple in regards to separation and divorce. You aren't in a position to make those type of decisions.

[@SaintAthanasiusChurch]

@@JKMreina We are and we do.

[@JKMreina]

@@SaintAthanasiusChurch May the Lord have mercy on you, like He did for me. May He bless your coming in and your going out.

[@SaintAthanasiusChurch]

@@JKMreina May the Lord have mercy on a sanctimonious fool like yourself who thinks adultery is permissible.

[@a11an72]

this about John piper doesn't require remarried to divorce is interesting , where can I see more about this so cowardly...

[@philipbuckley759]

amazing, isnt it....