Is Riot Vanguard Really that Bad?

[@TheCodeAddict]

Are you keeping leauge of legends? If not, how long have you been playing before Vanguard made you stop?

[@jupless]

no, playing since beta

[@youngruggedandraw6864]

Been playing League Of Legends for 10 years. I removed it a month ago when I heard the news Vanguard is coming. I want plug and play, I dont wanna turn on and turn off different things every time, driver incompatibilities , people pc's crashing, this is annoying. Or even simple example as waiting for your premade to login and you are so bored you start playing around on your computer with different software, little bit of music mixing etc whatever. Then I'd have to restart again, it's an absolute hassle. Also, it's fair to not trust China tbh. China lives in its own world as a country and if there is ever a privacy scandal or whatever drama they'll take no responsibility while the US and EU are partners and bound by common practices and they often collaborate on different tech policies. At least you can trust them to say "sorry" if shit hits the fan. Even things like EU putting pressure on Apple and etc, I never seen such mutual action from China so if something goes wrong there'll be no media to report it no drama or questions

[@TheCodeAddict]

@@jupless like since 2009? Holy shit how old where you when you played that? Also, what is your reasoning for uninstalling?

[@TheCodeAddict]

@@youngruggedandraw6864 Very understandable, thank you for sharing! Are you doing the same with other companies that have a chinese majoirty owned stake? Like tiktok, wish.com, temu?

[@JohnSmith-ty2he]

@@TheCodeAddict I started back in 2009 in the beta back when things like Zhonya's Ring existed. I'm adamantly against installing any game with kernel level anti cheat and have none on my PC. There are just too many games out there to bog down my system and cause driver issues to focus on a handful that require it. That aside I'm just not in support of Tencent in general. As for the game, it's been on it's last legs for at least 5 years now, and this was just the final nail in the coffin for me. I was a 23 year old stay at home dad when LoL came out, and I was looking for something to play between feedings and diaper changes myself.

[@YamianGodlike]

Been playing since season 2, this is the end for me. I see no reason to give this level of control to play a video game. I don't think cheaters were rampant in this game (toxic assholes is a different question) as much as they want you to believe. I don't think it's required as much as they want you to believe. Riot is owned by Tencent. Tencent is based in China. And I can reasonably assume that Tencent will comply with any Chinese government "requests". Do I think that the Chinese government will spy on me? Not really. Do I want them to have a potential to install some proprietary backdoor on my machine and then use it for whatever? Not really. Jan 20, 2023 Riot had a security breach. They claimed it to be limited to DEV environment. Do I think this affected Vanguard? Not really. Do I think they are secure enough to not have another one? Not really. This makes Riot and Vanguard a massive target. We all know Riot's 200 years of experience. The game client has trouble showing me stats after the end of the game FFS. Imagine someone finding an exploit in Vanguard. Now they have potential rootkit installed on millions of computers. I'm not willing to risk that. We are not talking about someone seeing your secret "movie collection" or a selfie from a trip to Iceland, because they don't care about that. We are talking botnets, crypto miners, ransomware and other shady business I can't even think of. And I'm not even talking about possible performance or compatibility issues be it software (anti virus, dev tools, other games...) or hardware. You can argue that I already have Microsoft Windows Data Harvester Home Edition installed. That doesn't mean that I have to accept more. We all draw a line somewhere. We all have a hill to die on and this one is mine.

[@MangaGamified]

At the end of the day League is just a moba, which is not rare and has countless copies out there like Dota 2 and Heroes of Kings. It's true, it's such a poor layman's refute, that if you already have a data miner, what's one more make a difference? it's like a diabetic/obesse saying Im already this way what's another 1L coke everyday make a difference?

[@manwelwasfy4371]

I think alot of people is biased against china and tencent and it is deserved but i mean you use social media and google and they are constantly using and selling ur data but i dont see this much hate? A potential breach isn't more dangerous than social media

[@Salzui]

Riot is no larger targetthan EasyAnticheat. Just because the driver starts at boot does not mean, it connects to the riot servers on boot, so there is no larger attack vector here.

[@MangaGamified]

@@Salzui You've been spamming comments like there's no tomorrow, and your comments is basically "It's not my PC they can risk it"; no one really cares what you say cause it's not your property at risk. As I've said At the end of the day League is just a moba, which is not rare and has countless copies out there like Dota 2 and Heroes of Kings. Maybe when someone spout their opinions + gives insurance & collateral, maybe people would start listening.

[@Salzui]

@@MangaGamified there is no property risk dummy, at most some software problems, hardware is fine. go play another moba but dont spread misinfo and scare people for a few cases where problems occurred.

[@godspeed2145]

Vanguard is bricking PCs too. Look it up. Reddit mods are suppressing the information on purpose

[@littlecurrybread]

Yup, I was banned there for saying this lol

[@nathaniel_pardue]

Trune-loon mods censoring on reddit?! I'm shocked!

[@manwelwasfy4371]

Its just sad if it have ever happen to someone but i dont think it does permenant damage or smth just reinstall windows

[@simoneracioppa5733]

I've got my comments on KZbin deleted if I try to write about RV.

[@Salzui]

LeagueOfLegends subreddit is NOT (!!!!!!!!!!) moderated by Riot.

[@WillToWinvlog]

Vanguard has marked the end of my league tenure.

[@TurtleFul]

I have played League since 2011. Thousands of hours. I now for the first time in 11 years have uninstalled league and have no plans on installing it again. Vanguard having to start on boot and it messing with my fan control software (it literally turned off my fans!) is out of the question. I love TFT but my computer is too important to mee that I can just let software like vanguard run unchecked on it.

[@Salzui]

yet you let your fan control driver containing an unpatched exploit run?

[@austinzobel4613]

@@Salzui Having a choice over it is the point. League is forcing anyone to use it to use their SYSTEM/GAME. Disgusting questioning/accusing normal people over this

[@Salzui]

@@austinzobel4613 There is a choice: Play the game or don't play the game. You take some free game as granted forever lul.

[@leaguefixesyourmatches8259]

​@@austinzobel4613 tencent is definitely up to no good

[@emptyptr9401]

My main concern is less that the Chinese Government would spy on me amd more that Vanguard could have some vulnerability that third party actors could use the gain access to the kernel level of my PC.

[@libertybelllocks7476]

which can be accomplished through the .exe. Which is his whole point hes explaining. You knob.

[@TheAdarkerglow]

Uninstalled, was playing since 2013, and I don't want them having that level of access. You can argue that they could steal data and gain access without Kernel Level Access. But with it, they can do a lot more.

[@deniskasin2394]

when valorant dropped i installed vanguard and my laptop start to slow down by alot and all in my games lower fps and alot of stutters i fixed it by never touch valorant again

[@TheCodeAddict]

Had the same issue, I was manually turning off vanguard to be able to play Overwatch on 144 FPS instead of 80-60 haha, but for me it wasn't a biggy since I just turned it off and rebooted when I watned to play valo

[@filipepinho3319]

The point here is any software that runs at kernel level that is not from the operating system itself is a potential vulnerability that someone might find a way to exploit, multiple things can go wrong, a rogue developer inside riot can intentionally add a vulnerability, someone outside riot can find a vulnerability... at this point that kernel software can be used to do things that it was not designed for, and people haven't yet learn the lesson with other kernel anti-cheats, like it's not the first time we had news about a kernel anti-cheat being used to mine bitcoins, or someone using a vulnerability to shut down your anti-virus and insert their malware into those computers... And I think that a company that suffers major leaks of information in any way or form shouldn't even be considered to have kernel access. Simple put in a short sentence: Any computer with a third party kernel application is not a trusted platform, I would not check my home banking account on that computer or do any kind of transaction with it. All this security issues just for the sake of ensuring fair play is not a compromise we should be doing.... by the end of the day those kinds of software only cares about game integrity and do not care if your computer is hacked or compromised... Game developers need to stop being lazy and fix the game vulnerabilities server side. Specially with a game that should run mostly on server side like a moba.

[@al470ex12]

I can live without league... There is no reason to allow a company that cant have proper matchmaking to access my kanel level data as soon as my pc boots up. Me and my friends range from bronze to gold, yet we are getting matched against plats and diamonds... riot is not compotent enough.

[@austinzobel4613]

EXACTLY SAME. Silver here with Diamonds/Masters. My friends literally wont play with me on my main account because they dont have fun. I used to bitch about it until EVERYONE else started seeing the CRAZY improbable matchpairing

[@krisztiantoth999]

I'm by no means a professional, just trying to use my common sense here. Isn't the difference is this? if you just run an update and have a backdoor access because of it - it's relatively easy to detect - so people will notice - so the company gets busted - so company doesn't do it if you have vanguard running in the background and it does something shady slowly and randomly - how do you even detect that? - will anyone notice? - so will the company get busted? - they might contemplate on what they can get away with

[@Salzui]

That assumes people would not attempt to reverse-engineer vanguard. (Spoiler: People do attempt this)

[@krisztiantoth999]

@@Salzui fair

[@optamis1989]

The example you give of a state actor not needing root or kernal access isnt a good example. For example, if i give someone my address they can rob me. But they have to break in, bypass observation and security measures and my presence. But if i give them a key, my schedule of when I'll be away and my alarm system code, it will be far easier for them to rob me.

[@Salzui]

no

[@optamis1989]

@@Salzui do you suck dik?

[@optamis1989]

@@Salzui reported for CCP propaganda

[@Dulkh4n]

The security boundary wasn't breach when tensen bought league, because they didn't have the access to my computer that they have now, and yes, they could have installed something without you realizing it, but that would be easier to spot because of the strange behavior that could be detected that is require for something like that to happen. Now the can do whatever they want and there is no way for me or anyone really to know if what they are doing is what they vaguely promise to do

[@ContractualStrategy]

Glad I quit League in February 2024. Saved myself from having to buy a new computer, after Vanguard would brick it.

[@kayzaac]

It's a twofold reason for me to quit at this point. Been casually in normals for years and despite such a laid-back relationship with league, recent events just pushed me away. It may be directly related to the vanguard rollout, but for about a month before it happened I noticed that the prevalence of bots in my PVP normal SR games was extra insane. In every game about half the players involved were always bots. Perhaps this may have been common for others on other servers or with different gamemodes or mmr or whatever, but this was the biggest influx of obvious bots that I *personally* ever experienced in all my time playing. Apart from like, the Twisted Treeline days. So here I was thinking, "wow, what a perfect time for Vanguard to rollout." But the coincidental timing of it all, along with the fact that it didn't seem to actually prevent bots from what I experienced afterward, just destroyed the miniscule faith I had in riot. Assuming they allowed bots to run wild in prep for Vanguard, for me to endorse a security risk that didn't solve my main issue in a timely manner, resulting in system hiccups both in and out of gameplay, AND noticeably worse ping....it's just the perfect excuse to dip. As a 10-year-long casual player, my league experience has been the worst it's ever been in the past couple months, and for once it was not even due to the player base OR game balance, or even the crappy client. Before, I could at least drain some enjoyment out of league so long as the balance wasn't egregiously awful and my chat was disabled. So now it's gone and I have an opening in my weekly entertainment slot.

[@Dulkh4n]

My main problem with it is that it always on and its really hard to make it so that it would only run at start when I want it to play.

[@scribdfukkyu9630]

let's be honest, how many scripters have you encountered? in my 12 years of playing I couldn't count them on the fingers of my hand wrong priorities rito, losing a lot of playerbase with this endeavour.. why do video game companies make the worst decisions in this day and age

[@ericgranderil7045]

"in my 12 years of playing I couldn't count them on the fingers of my hand" This just means you have no idea how game/scripts work and cant recognize it. Season 4, eune, silver to plat. Lolhelper was the only scripting software available if i remember right, features were very limited compared to what we have now and therefore it was hard to notice in-game in most cases. However there was at least one obvious scripter per ~5 games. Its aleady 2% of players. For every obvious one there is always few who is more careful so i belive real number was at least 5-10%. Lately we had 20+ safe to use software options, professionally made and with regulard updates. Ofc amount of cheaters increased drastically. Last seasons, eune, bronze to emerald, average amount of scripters per game was 3-4!!! And i mean 3-4 who is obvious af, real number of scripters is higher than 50%. RIto had to react and they would never invest to vanguard if situation wasnt THAT bad.

[@Kek393]

@@ericgranderil7045 Yeah? And where is this data from? Riot who's employees cannot even measure data about their own ballance decisions?

[@ericgranderil7045]

@@Kek393 I was talking about personal observations and my own experience which should be obvious for anyone with basical abilities for logic/analyze. Even pointed out server/tiers because numbers could be different. In advance: No, talking about such problems is not "crying" and doesn't mean it is emotionally based. Also, problem with scripts is not that it makes players unstoppable, its not too hard to beat most scripters even 1v1. Main problem that is that it makes games less fun and boring.

[@LegioXXI]

​@@ericgranderil7045 "I was talking about personal observations " So basically you have no proof and also just have subjective arguments. But ofc unlike everyone else on this planet you are actually so clever and intelligent that thats enough. Come back when you are an adult and learned how to probably argue with people.

[@ericgranderil7045]

@@LegioXXI About "being adult and properly arguing" : When i was 12 i made a chat bot on vbscript and with less than 50 lines of code it was more intelligent than you, mate.

[@Albatrox]

if I cannot install vanguard on my perfectly working laptop that was able to play league before the update and now because its "too old" to install vanguard then its a game that I'm not going to play anymore. Likewise with windows 11 gonna install ubuntu on that laptop. Every major companies are just trying to make us buy new stuff when we doesn't need it and it make me sick. Shameless world that we are living in today.

[@AbductedLlama]

While I am happy to see more Cyber opinions on this, I think there is a few problems with some of the points in the video. Comparing kernel level access to admin access, then saying if you had a problem with privacy and security you should have abandoned League at the beginning of Tencent's involvement is a bit ingenuous. Vanguard having kernel access can have direct access to hardware, which can be more malicious then admin access, even if its doubtful Riot would use it in such a manner. As Riot has been compromised in the recent past years, it should be highlighted that if a bad actor were to be able to utilize Vanguard, the potential for misuse obviously grows. Another issue that I am seeing glossed over is the used market for computer parts is completely being neglected. As an example, if someone gets banned from Vanguard via a hardware ID then sells their GPU on a marketplace such as eBay, there is no way for an end user to validate in advance if the card has been banned effectively ruining the used market for users that are none the wiser. And whether China or Tencent is an issue to some or not, having an always running kernel level anti-cheat is opening up potential for something malicious regardless. If I invite someone over to my house for dinner they could steal something that night, if I give them a key they can steal something anytime? Lastly, if the same situation was introduced in a business, where kernel level access was required for software a company needed, any company's Cyber team worth their salt would look for a different product. The zero-trust model is aimed at only awarding permissions that is needed for performing a task. I know this cannot easily be applied to the normal day to day person, but maybe that is the problem. And what companies are easily taking advantage of in these spaces. I did enjoy your video though and appreciate your thoughts on this!

[@TheCodeAddict]

Hey man! thank you for your comment! Glad to see other people from info sec here, I actually made a discord, if you wanna join, come join (still working on it) discord.gg/8F5kmf3EjJ Now back to the discussion: We can argue up and down about the small details of having malware embedded in a driver or malware embedded in a proccess running as administrator. They point is the same, if a threat actor has local admin on your deivce, they own that device. Since they are local admin, they can even install drivers on your device to further obtain persistance. They are local admin, just like you are on your device, so they can do anything they want, inclduing installing drivers. I am not gonna comment on the hardware ban thing, as it isn't really the point of the video, I hope that's okay for you. Having a program running 24/7 or having a program that you open daily is very similar. If you and I sat down to threatmodell or brainstorm attack vectors or exploits, we would find small details and nuances. However, the major point still stands: People argue that someone can use vanguard to compromise your device. Either by the CCP or by "a hacker". However a thread actor can do the exact same thing by using leauge of legends or any other program from riot. However this in it self is a straw man argument. By saying "what if hackers compromise company x to push malicous update through software y" then you should just turn off all your electroincs. What if microsoft get compromised? Linux just recently had a huge supply chain incident via XZ Utils, so why not microsoft? What about apple? What about easy anti-cheat or battleye, what about discord, your browser of choice? and so on and so on. The argument of "what if hackers compromise x" is not a real argument when we talk about cyber security, because if it was, then you could never use any software unless you coded it up yourself, and even then what if YOU get compromised? Supply chain is something we look at in a corporet setting and as you know it is very difficult. You ask me what I would do with high privileged piece of software running 24/7 in a corpored setting and that depends. Anti-virus, EDR, agents are already running 24/7 with high privielges. The devices are running operating systems which by them self "could be hacked", if we where to use the "everything can get hacked" argument. So to answer what I would do is: Depens. Do we need this software? who is making it? Who ownes the corporations? Are there any alternatives on the market? How is the security posture of the corporation? Who is okay with owning the risk of the program in our corporation and do they understand the risk? Who is responsible for patching and keeping the software up to date? Those are the type of questions that I would ask in a corporet setting. And that is the point of the video, but maybe I should have made it more clearer (i''ll try to do better in my next video...) You have to look at the risk and the benefit or having vanguard on your device. You have to ask yourself if you are okay with that. I tried to explain what I think of as the risk, I have had leauge on my PC for years and always "trusted" riot with that, so why should I not trust them now? It actually seems like riot cares about the security and integrity of their game, which is more than I can say about other games which are beloved. I fucking hate cheaters in video games, so I am okay with the risk vs benefit of vanguard. But that's my personal opinion, I just want people to be informed so they can make a decision based on logic, not fear or ignorance. I hope that makes sense, I am not the best writer😅 so I hope everything is readable😂

[@AbductedLlama]

@@TheCodeAddict I think I will agree with most of what you said here, but I don't think asking if a something will be compromised is a straw man by any means. While I am not a fan of the CISSP, it outlines what is acceptable risk financially and security wise. If it will cost $20K USD to protect, but the cost of it being breached is $10k USD, it's considered an acceptable risk. With that being taught lately I am not sure if I would agree that it's a straw man argument. I don't think you can easily calculate a financial risk amount for players of a video game. I could be wrong here though lol, but I think it's hard to determine a league players financial value and the risk associated. And I completely agree that EDR, PAM , sometimes even SIEM agents are running 24/7. That's expected though for a business. If something shady happens the business will sue or pursue a penalty. I am not sure if I agree it is fair to compare a Symantec agent to League? I will join your disc and I appreciate you responding. I think the more we discuss, analyze and expand on this on videos such as this one, the more informed everyone can be, Side note: I know you didn't want to address the used hardware market, but maybe you should?

[@clumsykoala3699]

Pls can you answer what no one talks about. Sure lets say we trust Riot and Tencent. What happens when some random hacker gets an exploit on vanguard? millions of users its a pretty good motive to try to get one. And look what happened with Korea LoL AC ( Demacia ) , players getting their IP sniffed and ddos galore.

[@dankmemes8254]

Also in North Korea to play or signing on any website there you need to use your ID number

[@TheCodeAddict]

I thought it was the servers themself who where getting DOS, not the individual's PC. I haven't paied a lot of attention to the story though

[@clumsykoala3699]

@@TheCodeAddict it's the ip getting sniffed from the Korean AC. Riot Korea got breached last year and all source code was leaked. T1 team can't even play on solo q or scrim. High profile streamers keep getting ddos. And I don't think demacia starts from boot. And with vanguard you gonna raise the price of cheating, but the privacy are way superior for a 10% cheating problem on a moba But hey people decide their life's

[@MangaGamified]

KZbin "The war on T1"

[@somekindofdude1130]

No more league for me. I had some stability issues, i dont know if it was vanguard's fault but it seems like my pc works bettee of without Riots malware

[@UGAOrchid]

I'm somewhat bothered by the intrusiveness of the program, but I understand that privacy in 2024 has gone by the wayside. I'm more bothered that it is breaking peoples computers to some degree. Anecdotal, but it bricked my friend's computer and I just had back to back remakes where in game I talked to a random player that also had issues with it (and his friend did as well). There's also over 10x the comments (compared to previous patch bug megathreads) in the 14.9 Bug Megathread and it has only been 1 day. Furthermore the discussion around Vanguard is heavily moderated on the League of Legends Reddit and even the League of Tech Support Reddit. Riot is also not acknowledging the damage that the program has been doing since it was initially rolled out on some of the smaller servers several weeks ago. I am not against a required anticheat program, but the rollout of Vanguard is unacceptable in its current state.

[@TheCodeAddict]

Not sure if you already removed it or not, but if the vanguard was more stable, would you keep/reinstall or is this a broken trust thing for you? Thank you for a great nuanced take :)

[@AlejandroT34]

Surely a rootkit isn't it. This anti-cheat does not differentiate itself from regular malware other than it's programmed by proffesionals and following a commercial objective. It's "trusted" malware, not acceptable imo

[@Salzui]

the subreddit is not moderated by Riot

[@elgatov823]

all this excuses for why it is not so bad to have a ring 0 piece of software controlling from the integrity of windows API calls all the way to taking actual screenshots of your displays ring hollow. you wouldn't let any game company do this to your phone, why allow it in your PC?

[@pokerman151]

Nice Video. Some interesting points to think about in this hot topic.

[@TheCodeAddict]

Glad you enjoyed it!🔥

[@jujubear9909]

Stopped playing one month before it was released here in the Philippines. Man I still miss it. Bright side is I was able to be productive throughout the year than I would if I was still playing League but every once in a while I get these re-lapses because I miss playing my Jinx, Urgot and Soraka. So far though I haven't gone back, it's just too much for a single game.

[@sakuyarules]

I like to think I'm tech savvy, and I have been getting more into security lately. There might be more nuances that you didn't cover, but I don't know enough to be able to say that. Regardless, you've *literally* completely changed my mind on this. Very well done. That said I will probably not be re-installing league and/or vanguard.

[@JmbFountain]

The issue is, Vanguard (and similar software) makes enforcing security boundaries on my computer much harder. I used to run those games sandboxed or in VMs.

[@egr1957]

It doesn't fix toxic assholes on League, which is a way massive problems then cheaters.

[@tomanicodin]

I was about to install the game after lots of years not playing it but I stopped when I read about Vanguard. I googled a bit and there isn't many info after 2021 that talks about Vanguard. Your video popped out and I checked it. Near the end of it, I though that it cannot be that intrusive. I clicked install. Then I proceeded to read some comments while waiting for installation. Upon completion I immediately deleted without allowing the computer to restart. The comments made me realize that even if I want to play again it is not worth to make my pc (and my life) vulnerable to anything. I will keep playing Brawls Stars to ease this pvp ick I have. Thanks for the informative video tho

[@Nebin164]

ive been playing since beta (got invite key) but i uninstalled after all those years because of that "legal" malware, no matter how good excuses will be, there is no way they would need that access to ur pc just to get rid of cheaters

[@ToTheGrave20]

ITS NOT SECURITY BOUNDARY. ITS CALL RISK TOLERANCE. Ffs this dude is like 6 months out of service desk or something.

[@iwillnoteatzebugs]

Im not installing rootkit to play a game.

[@Soren59]

Starting on boot is what made it a dealbreaker for me. If it was like EAC where it only functioned when you had the game running I'd be able to swallow the pill, but having to restart my PC every time I want to boot up League? No thanks, uninstalled.

[@deccard7106]

Thank you for the information. I elected to uninstall League before watching your video, and you've reaffirmed my choice. I find that there is absolutely no reason for ring zero access to be required on boot for a game that I've never felt I was being cheated in. You could require Vanguard for ranked play, or for tournaments, but I shouldn't need it to be running from boot for casual ARAM play. Riot has overstepped their bounds and regardless of how much access Vanguard gives them it will only be a matter of time, before they abuse the privelege. I find it deeply disheartening that the world we live in today wants to hoover up as much data about us as possible so it can be sold to backroom advertisers. Thanks again for the video and for clearing up so much of the noise about this problem. If I choose to use Riot in the future I'll use a seperate machine with my older hardware that I've sanitized. (I also don't trust TikTok etc.) On a side note, when I uninstalled League yesterday, 15 minutes later my PC did freeze in a very strange way and reboot. It has never happened before or since. Annecdotal but it happened all the same.

[@Tracing0029]

The reason why I love Linux is that you can very easily sandbox applications, especially Windows applications running. So even if an attack like this is done on a closed source program, I am not affected ideally.

[@Ethan-we3nm]

Client decides to just keep closing on me rn. Vanguard might be the best thing to happen to league, so i can quit the game.

[@seigel2289]

I have a question. Vanguard has a driver right? If I disable Vanguard at boot, does that prevent Vanguard driver from starting on boot or is it just the client?

[@Wolvahulk]

Just the client, which is why it's funny he even mentions it. From what I know disabling Vanguard through the start-up section in the task manager simply stops the tray icon thingy from loading. That's it.

[@seigel2289]

@@Wolvahulk do you know what the vanguard driver name is when you search it in cmd using sc query type=kernel ?

[@Salzui]

@@Wolvahulk How do you know he is not using a simple bat script to set the driver service load to manual to disable it?

[@Wolvahulk]

@@Salzui 8:40 he specifically mentions Task Manager, you can't disable the Vanguard driver from loading through task manager. Only the task tray program can be disabled that way. You need a bat file, regedit file or a program like autoruns to disable the driver (vgk and vgc).

[@LegioXXI]

Tbh, the bigger issue is that kernel extensions are allowed in the first place. Microsoft should do the same like Apple and just kick this feature out of their OS for good.

[@jonig5964]

I'm just frustrated that they won't work on a linux version now i needed to spend very much time in hackintosh or installing windows and i got windows 10 just for LoL and i wait for the time to uninstall it again

[@jonig5964]

They can make 2 solutions 1> native version like in mac without vanguard 2> developing Vanguard for linux and the wine version of the riot games will work in linux

[@asdfghjk-xd4wt]

Really good video. I am against Vanguard but this video has made me reconsider some points. Still I have some big gripes with Riot implementing it in another game since it could lead other developers to do the same thing. A second issue I have though less likely would be if an exploit in Vanguard itself is found because that could lead to really bad things. Something like this already happened in league where on the Korean server a new anti cheat system called Demacia was implemented about 7 years ago and after the league source code leaked, a weakness in this anti cheat system allowed hackers to get the ip addresses of people in games on the korean server which lead to a lot of ddos attacks for pro teams in korea.

[@drakkon2zshadowsz909]

Long comment so here's my TL DR: Best case scenario: Vanguard just makes my pc run worse, Worst case: Some Hacker holds years of work ransom and then bricks my laptop no matter if i pay up. A risk too big imo for a game known for making you miserable I dont care about a big government having access to my data, thats never really been an issue for me. I worry about Riot's 200 years of experience, them being RECENTLY human hacked, and how that could translate to some individual hacker or hack org using vanguard exploits to get into my pc remotely. Furthermore, my laptop has A LOT of my lifes work on it, id rather not get that held for ransom, and its a good gaming laptop but my old one was even MORE of a gaming laptop and vanguard made it run so poorly i went from normal temps on decent graphics to high temps on low. I'm like 99% sure it was vanguard, even when turned off, eating up parts of my pc or just changing things in my hardware functions that made my pc so inefficient.

[@LeonMarzahn-t6n]

Hackers cannot hold your pc ransom via vanguard unless you install a virus. Vanguard was vetted by microsoft

[@mayo9637]

been playing since summer 2013, for the most part I've experienced more toxicity than seeing a bot and if i ever saw a bot was once in a blue moon in aram match. Since the toxicity is absurd in this community i would only play special game modes, and shortly after 2018-2019 that became a habit if logging in when urf is out etc. its been a fun ride but it's not worth the problem Vanguard can give to your pc. I'm sure there is more normal players quitting while cheaters have found ways to keep on cheating.

[@Dulkh4n]

Regarding the issue of data collection, is not about you as an individual, we are in an age where data collection would be a day to day thing and its going to be use to manipulate you and the whole world really in way too many aspects. Or, in other words, its about getting information to manipulate your behavior and your peers at a large scale. This is why is so scary to have Vanguard run by a Chinese owned company, they are already doing it to their population in other ways...

[@gracjanwojciechowski9872]

Im not supporting spyware so i uninstalled the game sr rito

[@simoneracioppa5733]

I keep LoL on my PC, but I uninstalled Vanguard. If Riot doesn't remove Vanguard in a year, I will definetly say goodbye to LoL.

[@SoulAtParadise]

@@simoneracioppa5733 then i would suggest you to say goodbye to league of legends. sadly vanguard is here to stay.

[@Uh_0h.]

I genuinely thought this channel had millions of followers based off the quality. the viewability of this is insane. sorry the views don't reflect but based off of this it won't be long. good luck❤

[@ToTheGrave20]

This dude is disingenuous af. Anticheats do NOT need kernel level access to be effective. Having to disable and restart your PC should not have to be done. I wonder what this guy thinks about the traffic vanguard sends when you aren't in game.

[@rpscorp9457]

Tencent = CCP...CCP asking you to trust the CCP is next level irony. Huge amounts of problems with League reported yesterday/today.

[@nin1ten1do]

riot is bigest problem for LO9L.. a with tencent on back.. hell nah.. i reach golden.. i will ke that in my memory and return to DOTA and also.. 3D lol as any paladins etc..

[@MangaGamified]

Election year in US + Vanguard League release year, I'm sure it's just a coincidence right? 😉 CCP: Let's help biden win!

[@AnotherblackmanOG]

I quit league after playing since 2012 12 years. I’m not hacking my own PC just so I can run a game on it, at risk of destroying my own settings. My PC has crashes already from not updating Microsoft and I don’t have time or money to dump into it to figure out all the bugs with the OS. Furthermore… it’s a Kernel Root from China… the people who had the same damn president for about 20 years. TikTok is already getting banned cause China is accused of collecting data on people worldwide. Now they want LoL, in an ultimatum, to download spyware onto your game because they are so damn cheap with their cheater banning. Then… it doesn’t even work so why fucking bother.

[@eruiluvatar6688]

How much did Tencent pay you? You started your youtube channel just to espouse the virtues of vanguard?

[@dj-vi9yf]

I ban League of Legends from watching the content on my PC, who do they think they are?

[@ghost_asçldkfj]

I quit lol

[@marekmagdziak5916]

I uninstalled it along with windows and i'm on Linux now.

[@neonshadow5005]

RIOT has known how bad it was since the launch of Valorant. Considering how dangerous and worthless it is, one can only wonder what kind of insanity prevented them from removing it from Valorant to save the game, let alone putting it into League of Legends and killing both their games, instead of just their newer one.

[@anitoancognita7060]

Don't be afraid of a virus you don't know you installed, but be afraid of a virus you know you gonna install

[@GDMecex_YT]

How does this make any sense 😅

[@zebedeesummers4413]

@@GDMecex_YT They are saying an omnipresent ring 0 level program might aswell be malware and a person installing it should realize it is a threat.

[@icenote1591]

Wanted to get back into LoL but this just not want to install it. Thanks for the info

[@fxcdw51]

Played since season 2, End for me, i only played league of linux

[@Alex-wh3zw]

I wish it was possible to play TFT without this shit. I left the game when Vanguard came out.

[@taichigch]

riot take back this crap, come on guys

[@thomashgmo7135]

long time no see OW boi!

[@goblincage]

Good video, you deserve more subs for sure. I was here before you blow up!

[@TheCodeAddict]

I appreciate that!

[@ANGGELAful]

Personally, it didn´t do anything to my pc... the first time. After I restarted, my performance went to hell. I have 2019 pc, not the newest but it used to run League perfectly fine, well above the "high" settings and an average of 140 fps... now it struggles to ago above 50 fps, pc overheats, and lags. I ended up uninstalling vanguard and immediately fixed everything. So, after 8 years playing... no more league of legends for me I guess

[@theautumnfox9890]

I cant update league of legends It will brick my pc and make it imposible to play a lot of other games Skyrim Dark souls Project zomboi Project reality War Thunder Fox hole Its just not whorted!

[@slabsteria]

really informative, thank you

[@Drunkendrakon]

Luckily I dont like these games and have always played their alternatives.

[@evronetwork]

Vanguard stutters my PC so much making it unable to play lol, also the fact that it runs 24/7 is a no go for me. Playing since 2009 but sorry I can't continue with this, riot fix that vanguard and ditch it from lol today! Or lose people. For a non fps game it doesn't make any sense

[@sysnico8691]

Hop on dota I'll be your coach

[@TheCodeAddict]

I feed enough in leauge bro, don't need me to feed even harder in dota😭

[@sysnico8691]

@@TheCodeAddict you'll be fine

[@nin1ten1do]

YO bro if there is any KARMA like champ.. i am in-..- ima Golden 4 karma with 400K XP on her

[@ballzsack1640]

Downloading dota rn

[@sysnico8691]

@@ballzsack1640 send your steam

[@kubatomaszewski5193]

great video thanks for sharing

[@masao37]

interesting video, thanks

[@ericgranderil7045]

2:22 You said other anti-cheats start only with a game while using ring zero. Really? Thought maybe i misheard and you was comparing vanguard to anti-cheat without kernel access but no. So, unintentionally misleading or straight lying? Your only other argument against Vanguard is that LOL owned by chinese company. If this is the main problem you can throw all your electronics to trash can cuz its made in China. Jokes aside if we talking about personal data, no one will bother using vanguard or classical trojans to get it. Most users give this information for free willingly. Do you think chenese hackers care about what pron you watch? ) With conclusion like "and this is why i uninstalled the game" from someone who claims he's security specialist i think its classical example of Dunning-Kruger. Also if we will leave only those two arguments and remove emotions/manipulations, video will be 40sec at max. Feels like watching political propaganda on tv.

[@sportsport9470]

uninstalled this lgbt spyware

[@bigthinkie3050]

Lgbt spyware from china? Pick a conspiracy bro

[@gracjanwojciechowski9872]

☠️☠️

[@froggamer4884]

I think you mean CCP

[@bigthinkie3050]

bro deleted the reply im dead

[@nin1ten1do]

you forget a rest of bambilion gender Bullshet XD.. we haver to mention themm they become jely XD..