Is Sarah Lynn a Victim? (Bojack Horseman Video Essay)

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

She was molested, had her childhood stolen, and driven into a spiral of addiction and self loathing. So yes. She is a victim

[@frankwest5388]

Same could be said for Bojack. He was just as abused as her, even if in slightly different ways. They both had chances to escape their cycle but didn’t. You can be a victim in one thing but still responsible for your own well being in other ways.

[@billqiu4692]

@@frankwest5388 Thing is, as an adult Sarah Lynn kept most of her toxic tendecies to just herself. Bojack used his trauma as an excuse when he abused others but Sarah Lynn at least had her shit together when it came to perpetuating the cycle.

[@frankwest5388]

@@billqiu4692 she tried to stab people on multiple occasions. Her first episode was about her wandering from enabler to enabler and ruining their life. She absolutely made peoples life horrible like BH did. At most the differences was that BH was aware that he hurt people, didn’t want to hurt them, but always chickened out to when it came to getting his shit together. While she simply didn’t care. By the time we meet her again in season 3, I don’t know if she even had anyone close in her life in a meaningful way to abuse besides BH.

[@billqiu4692]

@@frankwest5388 Sorry I don’t really remember her stabbing anyone but herself, not trying to sound sarcastic but when was she trying to stab someone else? I agree with the last point though she didn’t really have anyone close to her to abuse like Bojack did so maybe it’s not a fair comparison. She was toxic with Andrew Garfield, she wrecked that one kids shed, but she didn’t ruin someone else’s life? There are a lot of times where Bojack is casually being an ass to people and he doesn’t really seem aware of it. Frankly the only time he’s truly conscious of how he hurt people is when he’s being explicitly called out for doing so. If Bojack was actually aware I feel like he wouldn’t need to be constantly reminded.

[@frankwest5388]

@@billqiu4692 during a drug trip, where she tried BH to write his book, she tried to murder BH as a finale Also she was just as manipulative as him, even seducing BH to enable her bad habits. Also the only time I can think of when BH went out of his way to ruin someone’s life, was during that Rock Opera phase, when he got Todd to relapse on his gaming addiction, so that he wouldn’t get his shit together and move out. Besides that BH was rude or hurtful either by accident or in retaliation.

[@knowdaqueen177]

I don’t think it’s necessary to pick apart her every action to determine whether or not she’s a victim. Sarah Lynn went through so much in her life. She doesn’t need to be the “perfect victim” to justify her victim hood. She was wronged so much.

[@Terminalsanity]

Its a false dichotomy, one can be a victim and internalize the resulting damage causes in such a fashion to justify bad decisions that result in self-destruction and/or abusive behavior. She consciously chose to give up on herself and even used and manipulated other people to fuel her downward spiral. She's very much like Bojack in that regard. She had the means to change for her own sake despite everything that went against her but chose path of least resistance and just stuck to the path that others set before instead of carving a new path for herself.

[@chrisjohnson5581]

It definitely is necessary to analyze the full actions of these characters to better understand them, idek how you get to the point of anyone needing her to be a perfect victim, nobody who watches the show would state that she needs that to justify herself being a victim.

[@humanwolf1984]

We are the choices that we make for our lives Either for Positive or Negative. 😇😥

[@knowdaqueen177]

@@chrisjohnson5581 the video is literally questioning whether or not she’s a victim. We can analyze her behavior of course but I think it’s ridiculous to even question if she was a victim. Sarah Lynn has made bad choices of course but that doesn’t make her any less of a victim.

[@knowdaqueen177]

@@humanwolf1984 we absolutely are but Sarah Lynn did not choose to be neglected or abused.

[@nebuchadnezzar8683]

The short answer Is an easy "Yes".

[@XMan2001X]

And the king answer is “Fuck yes”.

[@Moniker8858]

At risk of repeating myself, the fact that she was totally aware of her self destructive behaviors leads me to believe the answer is less clear.

[@notatallfunctional]

⁠​⁠@@Moniker8858 When you have really bad mental health issues, being aware of your self destructive behavior isn’t even half the battle. She’s clearly using it as a cry for help. Most of the people in her life have used and betrayed her, so she feels very alone. She probably sees it like this,either someone notices what she’s doing and tries to help her, or no one cares about her and she’s better off dead. This is just how I see her character anyways.

[@Moniker8858]

@@notatallfunctional She's denied help from people before she tries constantly to avoid people's attempts to help her ie circumventing AA and Herb's very obvious attempt to get her sober for him. Sarah Lynn is tragic don't get me wrong but yeah she's turned down help before and is was essentially just waiting for her tragic death

[@hakeemcoley2854]

@@notatallfunctional there is literally no evidence or any reason to believe that she had any mental health issues. Substance abuse issues for sure

[@shr00st00]

"Is Sarah Lynn a victim?" Is the sky blue?

[@booitsren]

everyone already said everything that needed to be said except one: saying Sarah lynn would have never became an architect bc she was educationally stunted was a weird take. I'm terrible at science yet I am still a biology major on my way into the dentistry field. everyone can start somewhere and while she most likely would have been in school longer than a usual student she still had every chance to succeed imo

[@crusty64]

I completely agree, weird take indeed. The video author is literally saying a child would never become something because it may have been difficult for them to learn every aspect of the craft, which is like... wow, okay, way to sound like every other adult this fictional character had in her life. Seriously, it's a somewhat ironic take since it's very likely something the writers of the show would have had an adult say to Sarah Lynn to discourage her from trying to seek her own path in life.

[@heylol_.]

completely agree with this also the show contradicts the point that she could have never been an architect. in "that's too much, man" , sarah lynn says "you gotta use parallel joints to support that foundation, dumb shit" so like she's clearly taking her time to learn and she definitely could have been an architect in different circumstances.

[@bigclitenergy]

Yeah! i agree with everyones points here. Personally i thought comparing Sarah Lynns life long dream that she's done at least a bit of research for to what is basically Bojacks wet dream with a stranger was the cherry on top of a weird take. edit: i saw another comment i like say: "Sarah Lynn took architecture as a hobby, she designed her own house after all. It was her passion throughout her life. If it wasn't for being basically uneducated due to the demands of child stardom, she would have likely BEEN an architect, perhaps a minor one."

[@daddykipperflipper4600]

@@bigclitenergy Seems you guys are giving Sarah Lynn too much credit here. If she wanted it so badly what was stopping her from doing it during her time sober?

[@77ELCREADOR]

I think either you guys or I misunderstood the point she was trying to make, but as I saw it, she was trying to say that being an architect was her platonic dream, one which came from ignorance, not that she would have been unable to accomplish it but rather than she knew little to nothing about the career as to have a clear understanding about it to be certain it was what she actually wanted, so maybe her desire to be one wasn't anything more serious than 5 year old me wanting to become an astronaut or a cop when I knew almost nothing about myself and even less about life!

[@helenaperez4343]

I can’t say that she’s entirely lacking in autonomy for everything she did, but ultimately, she was a victim. Her mom was manipulative, her step-dad was, well, intrusive to say the least, and BoJack took advantage of her dwindling will power and, when the time came, chose self preservation over her well being. It’s tragic because while she made choices that brought herself down, she was still exploited by her parental figures and society as a whole.

[@maggiepie8810]

Her self-destructive life choices are actually quite realistic for many people who've been victimised and traumatised.

[@matthiasrauert8397]

Well sure she is a victim and though she might have had it worse than many in other aspects she didn't. What I'm trying to say is people are more complicated than just being one thing. And molding ur whole life around just being a victim will destroy u as seen with Bojack cause u give away all ur agency and accept u can't do anything to change since it is only the other people at fault for u feeling bad. Not to take away from her trauma but being a victim isn't a good thing and emotionaly its only urself that can change ur situation especially when u , like Sarah, have all the means necessary to change ur life however u want. If she rly wanted to be an architect what stoped her from going back to school? There are many examples of celebrities leaving the industrie and following their true passion. It rly is sad that she never noticed that she had the power to change for the better.

[@mridlon1634]

The ugly truth being… Sarah Lynn was a dumpster fire of her family‘s own making, and BoJack coming from a similar abusive & broken environment was like throwing napalm on it.

[@benjamincolon5486]

I heard that her stepfather was going to be a originally a raccoon

[@DeaDiabola]

​@@matthiasrauert8397what a horrible thing to say when you've never been victimized

[@nitzan3782]

I think there's some things you're glossing over. Sarah Lynn literally had NO ONE looking out for her in her life, except for Herb, and he was forced away from it early on. Everything she became in her 30s(such as they were) is just the natural conclusion of a lifetime as a pimped out circus monkey. 1. There's no comparison with Downer Ending. BoJack had no concept of a modest family life. His mom was a disgraced heiress trapped in a toxic marriage with his screw-up dad, he alienated every woman he dated and wasn't willing to put in the effort to be a father and break the cycle. Sarah Lynn took architecture as a hobby, she designed her own house after all. It was her passion throughout her life. If it wasn't for being basically uneducated due to the demands of child stardom, she would have likely BEEN an architect, perhaps a minor one. 2. Mara Wilson quit acting because her mom died and she didn't have the energy to keep up her passion while grieving. I saw one of her articles, where she described herself as closer to a very successful drama nerd than cases like Sarah Lynn. 3. The flashbacks sequences completely recontextualize Prickly Muffin. You may think Sarah Lynn was taking advantage of him on the first watch, but revisiting it after having watched S6a, it's too little too late on his part. In fact, she already cracked in 2007, she's been a husk of a person throughout her actual time in the show. The difference between her and BoJack is that he's had some socialization outside Hollywood, she didn't. She's been locked into this life since she was three. 4. Oh no. The seventeen minutes is COMPLETELY in-character for him. Did you forget how he sabotaged Todd's rock opera in S1, just so he wouldn't leave him? How he threatened to KILL HIMSELF to get Wanda to stay in S2? How he pressured Sharona to take the fall for HIS screw-up? He has a pattern of doing whatever it takes to not get in trouble.

[@Salem-pg6eh]

He was willing to let that deer man die in the woods after hitting him with his car, I definitely think the 17 minutes was in character for him

[@nitzan3782]

@@Salem-pg6eh Excellent point! How many randos did he leave to die, or completely ruin their lives, just so he wouldn't need to suffer even a shred of Hollywoo(d/b)-blunted consequences?

[@KittyScare]

Damn, who needs 45 mins to say "Yes, Sarah Lynn was a victim."

[@stephaniewilliams6756]

Someone who needs watchtime cash

[@daddykipperflipper4600]

Or someone who is doing thorough character deconstruction… So yeah, time to acknowledge she had faults. Maybe not as many as Bojack but still she had A LOT.

[@RavinRae28]

I feel like people overlook the fact that Bojack, while not directly responsible for Sarah Lynn's SA, was still a constant adult presence in her life and in the position of taking action had he not been so uncaring and self-absorbed to pick up on the many obvious signs that something weird was going on with Sarah Lynn's step-dad. Oh well just another thing to throw on the pile of bad things he's done to her that range from neglect to, y'know, murder...

[@remyhavoc4463]

Yeah Fuck the 17 yr old deer What about 17 minutes 💀

[@billqiu4692]

Trying to get a head start on the Bojack apologists and “Sarah Lynn would’ve overdosed anyways”. Bojack left her to die. That’s as complicated as the situation actually was.

[@RavinRae28]

@@billqiu4692 Yep pretty much

[@princessmarlena1359]

BoJack and Sara Lynne was “the blind leading the blind”. No excuse, but the best explanation I could offer.

[@anthonyf616]

@@billqiu4692 probably manslaughter at most

[@Jem1381]

short answer - yes, absolutely long answer - yes, absolutely but with extra steps

[@Kinzclips]

I worked in an Emergency room and if someone comes in “code blue” (not breathing/heart not beating) they usually try to revive them for a while, especially if they’re young. Even if her heart stopped in the planetarium, time of death probably wouldn’t have been called until the hospital. But this makes it even worse that bojack waited 17 minutes. You can only survive not breathing for like 10 minutes max. Cpr should be started right away and the paramedics would intubate and once at the hospital they could keep a person alive with machines long enough to give them a chance. I’m not an expert on this, but these are my thoughts. My personal theory is that the reporters only got the police records that found a 17 minute gap between the phone calls and the time of death. They wouldn’t have gotten actual medical records because that’s illegal. So they filled in the blanks with limited medical knowledge. If bojack did call right away he probably would have been protected by a Good Samaritan law which I just looked up that California has. They often specifically protect people who report drug overdoses from getting arrested for having drugs.

[@bigclitenergy]

not only would bojack have been legally fine but sarah likely wouldve lived if he just hadnt waited so long to make the call for help

[@tiki_vegas]

It’s unfair to call out Kristen Schaal out for using her natural voice over multiple series it seems very few female voice actors are cast for their variety of voices or pitch range except for a few like Tress MacNeil and Pamela Aldon. She has a distinct voice that is perfect for animation it’s never bothered me they are all different characters and have nuances that make her deliveries distinct enough not to worry too much 😊

[@TopFurret]

Yeah! And the fact you can recognize her voice so many places without seeing her real face says so much about how iconic and distinctive her performances are

[@miss2971]

The first time I heard that voice, I loved it 🎉

[@the_UF365]

Sarah Lynn reminds me of Miley Cyrus without the recovery she's gone through in recent years. Both womens' lives as a whole can be described as a child star having major growing pains from not being able to grow up, having most of their early adult careers being oversexualized, thereby losing the substance in the art that they do, and even before that being sexually assaulted from a young age. There's also a hint of Jenette McCurdy's story with the mom counting her carbs every day and the p3dophillia she was subjected to by higher ups and fans.

[@falconeshield]

At least Miley thankfully got better

[@Isthatthegrimreaper170]

Good thing Miley is on the recovery track and Jenette got away from her garbage mother and the main toxicity of the industry

[@sophieeichmann9311]

Nah, Miley and Sarah both suffered from the public opinion, but Miley’s had a strong support system which is the reason I see Sarah Lynn as more of an Amanda bynes

[@Nightman221k]

The girl didn't have a chance really. She was set up to fail so, yeah, she's a victim. I will say though at the end she threw away her sobriety of her own choice and that's definitely on her to some degree... but when you take into account that she was chasing validation she never had, it seems at least tragically understandable.

[@Terminalsanity]

She had a chance just like Bojack, ample chances actually but making positive life changes when you have a system that will indulge even encourage your worst most self-destructive aspects and no real healthy support network is extremely difficult to do and its hard to self motivate yourself to make those changes for yourself when its so much easier to just go along the path of least resistance.

[@nationalinstituteofcheese3012]

Sarah Lynn was manipulated by everyone around her and while she made many bad decisions as an adult, these decisions come from never being given a good childhood

[@daddykipperflipper4600]

It’s an explanation, but not an excuse. The other shoe eventually dropped, she wasn’t committed to sobriety.

[@missconstruct6968]

Not enough people mention that Bojack and even Sharona heard Sarah Lynn talk about her stepfather and just ignored it

[@jcscience1748]

Sarah Lynn is basically the Bojack equivalent to Marilyn Monroe. An actress with a shitty life who never got rest even in death. There are men who paid to be buried on top of Marilyn's corpse. She's constantly used to make money like Sarah Lynn and both of them never had a support system. 😥😟

[@BrightWulph]

Yikes, the more I read about Marilyn Monroe the more I feel sorry for her. Like I want to go back in time and give her a hug, and just to let her know she's not alone.

[@falconeshield]

​@@BrightWulphIf I go back in time I'll bring her to our time the night before Bobby Kennedy's men came to kill her. They'll find no one to plant the pills in the room, and Bobby will be paranoid about whatever secret Marylin knew about him until the day he got capped. Meanwhile, Marylin will have a second life without dying in our time.

[@Isthatthegrimreaper170]

Marylin Monroe’s life was pretty damn tragic the more you find out

[@ZoobiethePopplio]

At least Marilyn has a Star Fox character with the same last name as her.

[@facecampingbubba4656]

Before watching, I want to say it’s not the matter of if she’s a victim but more what or who she’s a victim of? You can say she’s a victim of Hollywoo, Bojack, her mother, etc, or a combination of everything and one.

[@therealopaartist]

She’s a victim of almost everyone who’s ever come into contact with her. Herb was the only one I remember who truly cared about her and wanted her to get sober.

[@babypolarbear1912]

That segment with Penny broke my heart. It is still my biggest fear that my emotionally abuse ex will come to find me. I'm horrified at the idea of me being alone with him. I feel for Penny

[@arrynnova3812]

she’s definitely a victim. given everything she was exposed to as a child, it’s not surprising what happened. she was 3 when her life was not her own. she turned to drugs, sex, and alcohol at a young age to cope. everything that happened to her as an adult, is a result of her losing her sense of choice as a child. she couldn’t chose her career, but she could choose how she destroyed herself.

[@mysticalkeyblade759]

Yes she’s a victim! She was heavily implied to be molested by her step dad, had her dreams of being an architect crushed by her shitty mom, got drunk at a young age because of Bojack, and she surrounded herself with people who did not want to help her get better.

[@Sterling_Qrow]

Yes.....I don't think this was even up for discussion. It's talked about in depth in the show. Even Sarah Lynn speaks on it in the Afterworld, that she was a SACRIFICE that didn't amount to anything, she sacrificed her childhood and entire life, never actually experienced "life", and died dreaming of a life she never came close to having..... She just wanted to be an architect 🥺

[@Good_luck_.]

I loved her sacrifice speech. It wasn’t about her sacrificing her life by dying It was about her sacrificing her whole life by becoming a famous icon at the age of 3-4. She sacrificed her opportunity to have a normal life or a good life. That was how she sacrificed her life. Not by death. But by never living.

[@CedarBlankenship]

“When people say something is clean as a whistle, they forget that a whistle is full of spit.” - George Carlin

[@matthiasrauert8397]

As someone who struggles with many addictions i can tell u that getting sober just so u can get better highs is a very real thing. At somepoint u become so dependend on drugs that the only thing u realy look forward to or how u can enjoy stuff is when ur high. Somewere u know that ur only damaging urself more by doing that so when u are alone u manage to stay sober for a while but deep down ur only waiting for a reason to get high again. So while I can't judge if the depictionin the show is good or bad, I can tell u that it is very close to reality.

[@Caspians_Corner]

ok while i definitely do understand most of the points, and i do agree she certainly had levels of autonomy as an adult, as a struggling junkie myself, to reduce her choices (concerning drugs) as just being dumb choices that she "easily" could've not made is rather dismissive and further shows that people do not understand the psychology or mindset of drug abusers and what leads them to do the things they do. yes, she could have said "no, i dont wanna party" when bojack called and yes, she could've chosen to go to rehab and stick with it early on, but it rings very similarly to how people say "just stop being depressed" "just get out of bed" "just think happier thoughts" when talking about depression or other disorders. yes, you can do those things sure, but it's not that simple. i think she did the best she could with the way she was raised and lived, and while she has made mistakes and definitely is responsible for the actions she takes, it doesn't make sense to talk about her and her choices as if she was just as mentally stable and well off as any other adult her age. she was dealt a shitty hand of cards from a very young age, which permanently shaped her future, including her adulthood, and she deserves empathy and sympathy, even for her shitty choices later in life. It would be different if she had made such choices without her previous history, but that's not what happened, and to talk about her as if she wasn't still a victim later in life when you understand her background doesn't make much sense to me /no hate just personal thoughts

[@Kris-wo4pj]

In californa if youre high and someone OD'ed around ya. Ya will not get arrested for drug usage or possession if ya call 911 for an ambulance to avoid the very situation that caused Sarah Lynn to die.

[@sexygirlmax2019]

Except if you have more than 1g of dope on you. Then you get charged with intent to sell

[@DDarkestKnight]

For the drugs, alcohol, and having sex with Bojack? No. The bad advices, manipulation, and abuse she experienced her entire life? Yes.

[@900flyingmuffins6]

Eh I’d say the sex with bojack was also on him since he had a position of authority over her (and was like a father figure to her growing up)

[@chaosbeam4654]

Oh no, she definitely was a victim of Bojack. Bojack has always gone after younger women who he would have a large amount of power over.

[@frankwest5388]

@@chaosbeam4654it definitely was a pattern with him. I don’t think he did this consciously or maliciously but the tendency clearly existed.

[@billqiu4692]

@@frankwest5388 I agree he wasn’t conscious of it, or did it out of malicious intent but it still chalks up to an abuse of authority and Sarah Lynn was abused in this manner.

[@iceluvndiva21]

What I think a lot of people miss when pointing out "he's a celebrity that got caught and no one cares" is this actually is a form of karma that the audience did need. I know that the main theme is choices & consequences at the forefront and the secondary theme is "we're not entited to closure". But hilariously? Season six gave me exactly that. I got to see this very humanized asshole get some well deserved karma in perportion to his actions.

[@fossfox]

I disagree with the idea that the reveal about Bojack killing her was forced. The interview called to elements of the situation that were very specifically not shown in the Planetarium scene, and that the viewers should have been asking about from the start (Did Bojack call 911? What did the EMTs/police have to say?). The whole point of the framing it gets in the interview is to put the viewer on the same level as the in-world audience; taken aback by details not directly shown to us, but that should have been far more obvious from the start. Because really, that's how these situations occur in the real world, too.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

I still feel bad for Sarah Lynn and seeing how her life has been in constant turmoil it just can't help but feel for her. Yes she made a lot of mistakes but considering all the things that went on in her life, as well as how little she got help, except ofcoarse with Bojack on occasions, you can't help but shed a tear for her.

[@spaceaxolotl6196]

37:09 to be clear, this would count as neglect homicide as the only reason she died was because she was neglected care by the person who was with her.

[@diamondinthesky4771]

I still assert that while BoJack is an awful and selfish person, the real monster in Sarah Lynn's life was her step-father.

[@sakurabiskuit]

Is it just me or Sarah Lynn's mother looks quite similar to Honey Boo Boo's mother?

[@jeromelancashire3278]

5:28 The difference is when Bojack turned down his life with deer girl, (can't remember her name,) he was in his 20s, Sara Lynn was made in an actor when she was 7, children have less control than adults.

[@megaduckk2912]

it is extremely common for addicts in recovery to keep their vices around and hidden "just in case". recovering isn't linear, and it often is a lifelong struggle. bojack inviting her to break her sobriety and go back into hard drugs is shown to be the only reason she broke her sobriety. while i can't blame bojack solely for her overdose, he is very much the reason she is dead now BECAUSE of the fact he didn't call anyone for her sarah lynn lived and died a victim that's part of her place in the story. she will always be a victim of someone - her stepdad, her mother, hollywoo(d), bojack. even in death, she can't escape being portrayed as a victim. celebrities who die as young as her, in similar ways to her, are forever a victim. their legacy becomes how they were victimized and failed by everyone in their lives. doubly so for women, triply so for child stars (of any gender) as young as her. i've always viewed sarah lynn as a portrayal of how hollywood will chew up, spit out, and eventually kill dozens of people every year, especially child stars. debating whether she's a victim or not is exactly what the writers seemed to be intending with her, because that's what society does. look at any celebrity that died young from drugs or suicide. marilyn monroe, kurt cobain, chester bennington. so much of their legacy is defined amongst everyone by their childhoods or how they died, the things that happened to them bojack horseman is a show about how your childhood can change you or shape you, but eventually you have to take accountability and fix things yourself. sarah lynn never got to do that, she never will, and her legacy is the exact opposite of the show's ultimate "lesson", and in itself, is part of the lesson. it's just as common for hurt people to burn out like her as it is for them to be like bojack. sarah lynn was part of the reason i wanted to get as sober as possible from alcoholism, and she continues to be the reason i keep trying every time i backslide. she is forever a victim and a warning sign for anyone like me that doesn't want to end up with their legacies in a similar state, even if we aren't all celebrities like her

[@jamesmichaelmorgan]

I really believe Sarah Lynn wanting to be an architect was genuine. Like, she was forced into acting by her mother effectively and of course as a child she couldn't argue so she made the most of it (think jenette mccurdy) but it's entirely believable that she was also very adept at maths, even if she never got the proper tutoring. She might have a natural ability for it and aspired to be an engineer because she liked the puzzle and challenge aspects of it, meanwhile lacking the passion and specific kind of imagination required for acting and performing.

[@lucyrivera4999]

after watching "in defence of sarah lynn" i do believe she is a victim of abuse from the people who only wanted to use her for their own gain. She was young when it all happened, that was what she grew up believing and thats why shes so willing to break her progress and go back to old habits that end up harming her but benefiting others. sarah lynn is a victim.

[@remyhavoc4463]

Answer Yes Definitely Absolutely Buuuuuut she's also partly responsible for herself

[@daddykipperflipper4600]

only partly responsible though? why not just say she is responsible for everything

[@james-nw9up]

Her wanting to be an architect to me just means that she wanted something more out of her life.. that she wanted to be something she admired

[@CedarBlankenship]

One thing I learned about BoJack Horseman was that if they wanted someone to make a guest appearance, but the real person refused to voice themselves, they would have something comedically tragic happen to their animated counterpart. Hence why ‘Andrew Garfield’ falls into the hole in the floor when he walks into the Halloween In January store.

[@RanterInShades]

Sarah Lynn always struck me as a victim of a tragic life.

[@Good_luck_.]

I think sara lynn wanting to be an architect was more about her wanting a normal life with a normal job and less about her wanting to be an architect. She just wanted to be a normal person and an architect probably seemed like a normal job to child her and she lached onto the idea of it. And never grew out of the idea since she was so traumatized during the early stages of her life. She was a victim

[@sanne7421]

She makes specific references to the way things are built throughout the episode. It's more than just wanting a normal job.

[@Good_luck_.]

@@sanne7421well yeah, she probably hyper fixated on architecture as a way to cope with having such a peculiar life, she was probably holding out hope that one day she could be an architect so she spent her little free time studying it

[@rainingdreams]

I absolutely see Sarah-Lynn as a victim. I even see Bojack as a victim. But being a victim of something or even multiple things doesn't excuse behaving badly and not making an effort to improve It's def possible to be both a victim and responsible for your own bad choices at the same time

[@ellielovegood6307]

Agreed

[@pettykittyfam]

Seems they are both victims yet somehow we are supposed to expect Bojack to be responsible and not Sarah. Idk just seems like a double standard.

[@macnsteez6543]

i love this show so much for how well the pieces in this episode fit together; she got sober under the excuse of a tolerance break like so many addicts do, and she was clean for 9 MONTHS! she was choosing to stay clean! your tolerance will drastically decrease after a number of days-weeks without her drugs of choice, but she went PAST withdrawal and stayed sober! if bojack had never invited her, she may have had even more time to commit to a clean lifestyle, but this is exactly how a deadly relapse tends to happen!!!

[@rileyanthony]

@KittyMonk I would say Bo Jack was an enabler for her to drink but it was her own fault and choices even if bo Jack was there or not so shouldn’t Saran Lynn be held responsible and accountable for letting her self get that bad in the first place so it’s her own fault even though Bo Jack didn’t help her at all either as Bo Jack encourage and enabled her to drink and do Drugs witch ended her life but it was her own choices that let her down that path to begin with.

[@ShadyRK9]

To Quote Mr Bison from the Street Fighter live action movie: "OF COURSE!"

[@ShadyDoorags]

The reason for the "17 minutes" being retconned into existence was to get shock value from the audience. The show wanted the audience to ponder whether or not Bojack deserved his cancellation, but during this time, Bojack was way too sympathetic and his worst deeds were already known to the audience. Sure revealing Bojack's wrong doings in-universe was enough to cancel him, but not enough to do anything to the audience. Thus, the show needed Bojack to reveal something awful about himself that the audience didn't already know. They do the same thing in Mr. Peanutbutter's Boos, which is why I absolutely hate that episode. There's a lot I don't like about Bojack's cancellation and the 17 minutes is definitely one of them. Obviously the show was strapped for time, so it's very possible they had a long term plan to reveal this detail in a more organic way, but what we got was very manipulative.

[@bradywells6447]

Big fan of you, I have to ask what's your opinion on Moral Oral. Edit as a show and it's characters.

[@jadet-rex6475]

This video is an L take. Not every victim is perfect and passive in their victimhood.

[@Austin-LA]

Sarah seems to be a good example of how a victim can turn in a to a "bad"/shitty person if not treated/recovered from thier trauma.

[@catdotcom]

That's a whole lot of victim blaming, and attributing things to Sarah Lynn that there's not even any proof for. She did bad things, and her being a victim doesn't justify them, but most of her behavior is easy to understand after all the abuse and bad influence she received. She is undoubtedly a victim.

[@ellielovegood6307]

The way I see her being a victim doesn’t justify the bad things she’s done, but the bad things she’s done doesn’t negate her being a victim either

[@Tommedian]

10:32 it took me way too long to get this joke, but once I did it got a laugh out of me

[@Orsonfoe]

she like everyone is the show is a victim in some way or form. she just wasn't able to recover. she was stuck and instead of trying to grow she did what bojack did and do whatever was fun and could numb the pain. and she always made a way to have an excuse just to fall back on. like she tried to get clean but she made sure she had an out to the first person who wanted to party with her. and the childhood actor thing is a crazey thing to look into. it shocker and scary just what these kids were boot through .

[@lisamartens7428]

I went to architecture school for a year and you can do it without too much math tbh, it's the cad programs and 3D drawing classes that are the most impossible. staying up all night to draw stairs...don't miss those days. I switched majors p fast.

[@cbushin]

I would be more concerned about the job hunt than how impossible the courses are. Job hunting is tougher than the toughest classes. I heard that now there are now multi-interview interviews that lead to sudden ghosting. This is what people look forward to after passing all the qualifications.

[@OldandAbandonedHarcorte]

I do enjoy the perspective more that Sarah Lynn wasn't entirely a victim in her own death. While a lot of horrible awful things happened to Sarah Lynn as a child, it's not easy to argue whether her, or Bojack's homelife were worse, both of their childhoods were terrible and filled with little-autonomy and abusive or neglectful parents. It's a double standard to apply the logic to Bojack that despite his upbringing he is responsible for every mistake he made, while also washing Sarah Lynn clean of her wrongdoings because of her parents. Considering Sarah Lynn's personality, I'm inclined to believe she would've taken the Overdose lightly if she had survived, and would've likely OD'ed herself to death at some point anyway. To be clear, with the events of the show we got, Bojack is Morally, although not legally, responsible for Sarah Lynn's death. Sarah Lynn is a really sad commentary on how fucked Child Actors are a lot of the time, and honestly her parents are among the most despicable people in the show, because unlike Beatrice we never get to see their own stories for why they are like this, and I highly doubt they were anything close to what happened to Beatrice considering the people they're based on. Ultimately Bojack ends up suffering a lot more as a result of the guilt he feels after Sarah Lynns death than any prison sentence, since the absolute worst he could've gotten would probably be reckless endangerment. Bojack is not responsible for Sarah Lynn's death because he had the Heroin which took her life, she knew full well what it was and agreed to snort it of her own accord, she was never coerced into doing so and there's not evidence to say she was. This is a purely legal perspective by the way, like I said above, Bojack is Morally responsible for Sarah Lynn's death as a result of not calling the ambulance immdieatly, though honestly considering all the other drugs they were on I'm not optimistic Sarah Lynn would've lived regardless, Mixing dangerous drugs is unsurprisingly exponentially more dangerous. I'll be honest and say I have a serious bias for Bojack, because he's the main character and ultimately doesn't commit much in the way of crimes, just a hell of a lot of stupid things he doesn't stop to think about how they could affect other people. I am by no means saying Bojack isn't guilty of a lot of hineous stuff, he is objectively a really fucked up person who needs help desperately before ever returning to normal life but it's that anti-hero quality that a lot of people myself included love about him. What was I talking about? Oh right Sarah Lynn. Just as a last thought I want to once again re-iterate that point of Sarah Lynn in no way being a saint, martyr or exclusively a victim. Yes she is a victim, but it's not like Bojack is not a victim of a similar kind of awful parenting, and through season 6 we know it's possible for people even as messed up as Bojack to change, though it's hard to see it that way for Sarah Lynn since we never got to see her go through the same thing as a result of Bojack's actions. And yeah I'd agree with Kitty that the 17 Minutes thing feels kind of contrived for the sake of extra drama. Also the Lawsuit coming from the Xerox corporation and not Sarah Lynn's family lawsuit is honestly fucking infuriating, probably the one detail in the whole show I actively despise. It's played off a throwaway joke and commentary on how big businesses can destroy someone for talking about them wrong but this is just so fucking dumb.

[@biancasadventure]

Yes you said what I wanted to, perfectly. It’s tragic what happened to Sarahlynn but to say she had no part in her death and was just a saint is not true either. She’s complicated, just like regular humans

[@shybie2798]

Sara Lynn was a victim first You can say she did some pretty shitty things and was a victim its never a clear cut answer with people with trauma. But shes a victim first.

[@daddykipperflipper4600]

Bojack was a victim first too? It makes the character more relatable and likable. It doesn’t act as an impenetrable defense to all wrong-doing though.

[@shybie2798]

​@@daddykipperflipper4600I didnt mention bojack at all here? Nor would i say he wasnt a victim first either. Just from my experience Sara Lynn had recieved some flack thats all.

[@ScintillatingSusie]

What people forget is that while Sarah Lynn was waiting for the excuse to relaspe, BoJack was completely aware of it and asked her to do drugs knowing full well she would say yes.

[@beanpasteposts]

I like the bellhop Kristen Schaal voices in Amphibia. It was a nice change of pace for her.

[@Pangloss6413]

Beautiful pfp

[@hodleyvinch3802]

Kitty, I just gotta say, good video! I love watching your videos, it is very interesting to see a deep dive into characters I like! Please keep doing what your doing!

[@animatingangel7946]

Sarah Lynn is a victim of circumstances and the toxic people in her life. It’s implied that her step-father s*xually abused her, Bojack was a terrible person who took advantage of her as both a child and when she was at her lowest, and she never had anyone to actually count on or to be there for her. One thing, her drug-filled romps and destruction are her fault. She is, at least as an adult, in charge of her own actions and can make her own decisions. What happened to her explains it but doesn’t excuse it. She was a victim simply because people used her for their own selfish reasons. Be it Bojack for wanting to party, wanting to be a father figure, or wanting someone to sleep with. Or be it, her step-father for reasons already explained. Or be it, the media birds who are constantly invading her privacy. She never got to live the life she wanted, being an architect, but instead she got emotional, mentally, and physically pushed into being a star and an addict.

[@dfghjklkjhgfdsa]

I honestly bothers the way that the story unintentionally strips women of their agency at the end by framing so many women as Bojack’s victims. Like, is Bojack a piece of shit? Yeah. Did he victimize women? Oh, yeah. But he victimized just about everyone he met. But plenty of the women made their own choices, bad ones, but still their choices. So when the story ends with Bojack taking the brunt of the blame for Sara Lynn, it just… skeezs me out that her Family get off clean and nobody at any point brings up the fact that she chose to go with Bojack, or that her home was literally packed to the brim with drugs and alcohol. Like, fuck what Bojack did, but she was a victim of more than just Bojack. The same can be said of many of his other victims. It’s what makes things like this so messy in real life, and the story just strips that complexity away and it doing so makes it feel like the women had no agency of their own when they did. Maybe I just got too attached to the character. Maybe rape-culture, something something, conditioning something. Eternalized something something.

[@undeadprincess5726]

Art often imitates life, I guess. Women being wronged or hurt is more important than men going through the same things. I'm not saying it as a way to defend the show or what happens outside of it. However, being hollywoo(b), the women bojack screwed over is newsworthy.

[@frankwest5388]

Well a large part of the show is about showing how horrible people can get away with shit forever if they want to. By the end of his character arc, Bojack stopped and wanted to take accountability. So it makes sense that in universe his story gets sold in the most marketable way possible. Which in current culture is about a man in power abusing young and innocent women specifically. Remember current cultural standards make is feel bad for women faster than men.

[@dfghjklkjhgfdsa]

@@frankwest5388 see, I just think it’s weird that Bojack is the only one who is held to the fire of accountability. There are plenty of piece of shit men in the show who target women in a genuine way, like every other male agent we see in the show. Bojack never really had the intent to sexually harass or groom anyone, and that’s an important distinction in a world where people do it intentionally. And when they strip the women of having to take accountability, in a story that puts so much emphasis on accountability, it feels like agency is taken from them. I suppose I just had hope that in a show with such a diverse range of well written female characters, they’d be treated as people who also needed to be accountable for the parts they played, no matter how big or small they were, instead of a narrative piece. It feels like a fumbled ball, and it’s disappointing. I’m glad Bojack was held accountable, because he’s a piece of shit, no matter how much I feel for the character, but… yeah. I get why, it’s still disappointing.

[@legsbeonpoint1795]

@@dfghjklkjhgfdsa ​​⁠​⁠ I mean that’s kinda the point of the second interview. Bojack actively got cut the same deal as other predators in HollyWoob and wouldn’t have suffered any consequences, hell he was near treated as a king after the first one. Though after what’s her face is told her job of denouncing horrible rumors for for horrible people is becoming obsolete she decides to invite Bojack for another interview to tear him apart in hopes staying in the public eye longer. Also even if Bojack doesn’t intentionally groom or hurt people he does recognize that what he did was bad, instead of actually changing he usually just calls himself a piece of shit and basically uses that to justify that he’s better cause at least he feels bad about it.

[@chimpwimp9407]

Some people pointed out that Ana Spanakopita SA'd Bojack and used him to get what she wanted (which is a bit of karma but still messed up on her behalf). No show that exists is going to be without blemishes and I think the show's creator is open to that idea given interviews he's done. I wasn't really expecting any of them to get called out the way Bojack did given his sins were much worse.

[@moedacow]

Brittany Spears went through hell and she cried for help for years finally someone along with the free Brittany movement is really good I hope she gets the peace she deserves

[@jacksonfurlong3757]

I love the look of horror on young Sarah-Lynne'e face when Bojack gives her the "don't stop dancing" speech!

[@nicholasrodinos4701]

37:19 Couldn't it be Criminally Negligent Homicide?

[@rafaelbrites3607]

sarah lynn is like bojack in many ways. They both reflect a toxic enviroment that cursed their lives,, and they reproduce the behavior that was thought to then. The only difference, is that while bojack was trapped in his glory days, sarah lynn made her own carrer, but cust her happinness.

[@Oasis888]

There was a BIG victimization that people gloss over completely: look at the last episode of "Horsin' Around." Even though Sarah Lynn's character is technically an adolescent, they still had her in those stupid pink overalls. That's the production team desperate to keep her cute and childlike for as long as possible. Like so many child actors who are female, if they're kept a kid too long, they are desperate to prove their adulthood and usually go the overly-sexualized route, which has its own problems. Maybe if they'd let her grow as a person she wouldn't have taken the other route, one that she seemed to regret/not like in later episodes.

[@cosmicdahlia]

saying she didnt actually want to be an architect when its literally her last words verbatim just because "you have to be good at math" is such a weird take

[@mozecklay483]

i hope you never be placed on an actual jury because no actual victim would get justice lmao

[@lillyfriedman6618]

This whole video seems like a justification BoJack would make for himself in order to absolve himself of responsibility. He endangered her on set, groomed her, pulled her out of sobriety, failed to call emergency services, and more, all to fulfill his own selfish desires. If *anyone* in the world had the influence to pull her out of sobriety to go on a bender with no questions asked, it was BoJack. If he hadn't introduced her to alcohol, or he hadn't taught her to "don't stop dancing," or he hadn't called her to go on a bender, or he hadn't waited to call emergency services, the trajectory of her life would be exceptionally different. She's not a perfect victim, but she is-beyond a reasonable doubt-a victim, specifically at BoJack's hands.

[@catsumiola8335]

the idea that just because Sarah Lynn had drugs ready to go and because she initially started her sobriety as a tolerance break doesn't mean that she was going to do drugs again by herself. She was sober, and probably just kept the drugs "just in case", for a sense of safety so that if things get tough she can use again. But even if things got tough she wouldn't have, not by herself. Things are easier to sort out when you're not high constantly

[@jat9926]

I binge watched this show for the first time when I was going through some serious back issues and it’s say I can see how people see this show as therapeutic but at the same time if you identify yourself as Bojack and don’t see you need therapy just as bad as he did, you can fuck right off to stage left.

[@BoomerSage]

another kitty monk video is a good day

[@HazbinCovenWitch]

At 0:58 She also voiced Victoria Best from Wordgirl.

[@glenngriffon8032]

She was very much a victim but as far as her death goes- As a former junkie and abuser of prescription opiates i think she kinda brought it upon herself _to a degree._ She got sober and clean but she absolutely did not learn from the experience. Typically a junkie doesn't start pulling themselves out of addiction until they see just how much the addiction has changed who they are as a person and how much of their life it has destroyed. That's the wakeup moment that makes you decide to quit. Sera Lynn didn't have that. She basically quit because it was a thing to do and she was like "yeah okay, why the heck not?". A typical junkie will fight to keep their vice as far away from them as possible for a number of reasons. Maybe they don't trust themselves or maybe they just don't want the reminder or maybe they just don't want the possibility of temptation. Sarah Lynn though had the stuff stashed all over her house ready to go at a moment's notice. I personally think that if BoJack hadn't called her up she'd have cracked.

[@wittlemami]

Her licking the bear fur and knowing what it is..

[@calvinmann5773]

She is obviously a victim

[@Timberfall]

If you ever redraw your avatar, I would recommend shading with other colors rather than adding black to the base colors! For example, using a purple for the pink or a light blue for the white. I think it would help make the character look a lot more alive! Edit: the youtuber GingerPale does this for their videos a lot!

[@WhiteNegative]

I don't think you can assume because she was homeschooled that she wouldn't end up enjoying going to school. You can't really say all you can say is she never really got the chance.

[@chriiiiis]

Short answer yes Long answer yes but with more nuance I don't feel like typing right now

[@jailcatjones3250]

I love Kristen's voice

[@oinkybihtch]

This is some "perfect victim" bullshit mentality. Theres no perfect victim and her having bad qualities doesnt change that she was a victim.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

its not complicated . She is as much of a victim as someone can get. I LOVE how you blame an ADDICT for relapsing good job for you ! Bojack continuously enabled her had power over her and USED HER just as much as everyone else in her life. HER fuck ups were mostly contained to herself unlike Bojack

[@niloticnya]

short answer: yes

[@Sunflowerp3bbles]

disliked less than 5min in for not realizing the true talent of kristen schaal creating a character trope of (usually animated) unhinged manic pixie nightmare girl on their voice alone and turning themselves instantly recognizable on the level of patrick warburton

[@Toklwartooth]

Balls

[@matthewdrummond1340]

9:53 I double checked the cast list for the Beetlejuice movie, cartoon and musical I can't find Presley. Did I miss something?

[@FairFeline]

She was on in Beetlejuice the musical. In theatre, shows can have dozens of actors play the same role over the years. The cast list you say was probably for the original Broadway cast. Edit spelling.

[@matthewdrummond1340]

@@FairFeline thank you for that 🙂 I wasn't 💯 sure

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

EDP wants a Cupcake

[@candicecarter581]

It is sad. Good work on the video.

[@captainkthebassplayinpirate16]

What most people do when making amens just send letters it’s way easier than the letters really sincere because you’re going through the trouble of the Postal Service and spending money. Do you know show that you are forgiving this person also, you’re not making the person uncomfortable but your presence being there.

[@IlCassiopeiall]

Seeing your videos makes me feel safe and you're one of my favorite creators

[@magnusthemythic8061]

To answer the thumb nail (without watching the video yet) YES!

[@jenneacubero1036]

Come to think if it, "Horsin' Around" seems lile a combo of "Full House" and "On Our Own". That show starred the Smollett family where, after tge deathof their parents, the eldest had to dress up as the grandmother/aunt in order to avoid the siblings being split up in foster care. It also starred not just Jurnee but Jussie too...

[@Snicketbar]

Speaking of voice actors that use the same voice. The viz media voice cast are guilty of this.

[@ham.burger.]

I think it's a really good question whether she was a victim. she absolutely was, and she absolutely did have some responsibility to what happened to her too. I really like the question about whether bojack has any responsibility in her death as well. I think they were both responsible, and I believe that doesn't mean they share a percentage of the blame, but rather the blame and level of responsibility with each person is nuanced. I do think it makes sense to include that Sarah Lynn wanted to do drugs again after being sober. I remember my alcohol tolerance got so high at one point I specifically went on a tolerance break. drinking heavily again was my goal. I'm forever grateful that the people around me never encouraged that in me despite me wanting to. now, I don't want to anymore. Bojack initially recognised the importance of Sarah Lynn staying sober. even several months into sobriety, that addiction still holds power over you. "we are powerless to our addiction" he later said. For him to encourage Sarah Lynn to use again, despite believing she should stay sober, I do think he took advantage of that addiction still active in her

[@Nightswarmer]

*He waited 17 minutes*

[@meganmcdonald3333]

The short answer to this essay is Yes. Sarah Lynn served as a example of how toxic the entertainment industry is and we’ve seen this kind of stuff with children star’s who worked in Disney Channel and Nickelodeon and for example who worked in 90’s sitcoms like Sarah Lynn. Her mother forced her to work at the entertainment industry at such a young age and looked up to Bojack as sort of a father figure which was a bad idea since the guy himself isn’t a good role model. An plus this was theorized by Johnny 2 Cellos an I agreed with him on this but in some moments where Sarah Lynn mentions her stepdad who was a bear and that he was a “photographer” mostly in the flashback moments in certain episode proven this theory that he was doing….not so nice things to her. An we see this heavy weight that she carried in the Season 3 episode 11 That’s Too Much Man where she literally has an emotional breakdown after she an Bojack go on a drugged fueled bender and this was after going sober for 9 months. It took one phone call from Bojack to break her sobriety streak which is just tragic after well everything.

[@pauladudleycreatfeat]

Unambiguously yes

[@emeraldpichu1]

Bojack may have been her last lifeline but he should’ve never been one in the first place So many more people failed her before it even got to the point that he had to be the last one left.

[@ljmerrittproductions3188]

cupcake

[@yesikanarvaez5027]

To answer the title its a major YES

[@odinvolk6973]

I can explain Mara Wilson dropping out of acting but it ain't pretty. her mother died during the filming of Matilda and it dropped her acting spirit entirely. Danny DeVito who was both directing and playing the role of her father spared no expense to help her grieve. she has a dedication at the end credits "for Suzie Wilson"

[@Ryker.RevixVT]

Ok the Andrew Garfield being "in the MCU" made me laugh because it's technically true now but he was a separate universe