Princess Carolyn is an Icon! (Bojack Horseman Video Essay)

[@chaossin7425]

I like to think that future Ruthie does happen. Like, if porcupine Ruthie eventually adopts a pink furred cat, who does end up having kids.

[@alexconn7473]

I'd like to think it does too just that that particular ruthie isn't necessarily a cat heck that ruthie could probably even be a human as I like to think that Judah and princess Caroline adopt a human older brother for ruthie to look after her when the two of them are busy who they also shower with love giving their new son his ideal family

[@deskish3930]

let's not even think about the fact that canonically, a human gave birth to a porcupine

[@CedarBlankenship]

So I looked it up, and it turns out porcupine babies (or porcupettes as they’re apparently called) are born with soft quills which are bendable and really not sharp at all. Once they’ve been out in the world for a bit, they harden.

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

AWESOME! 😇😇😇😇

[@Umbra_Ursus]

I presume the quills are like horns or antlers, and they grow overtime. Really doesn't seem like they could safely have those at birth... Or even before, since, you know, bunch of spikes.

[@BestTimes8812]

​@@Umbra_Ursusquills are sharp hairs and are not like antlers or horns at all

[@Umbra_Ursus]

@@BestTimes8812 Didn't know that. Neat.

[@justinbremer2281]

I liked your point about them not dancing around the word "miscarriage." I appreciate that the abortion episode did that, too. Even went out of its way, it seemed.

[@lizabee7791]

One of my favorite Princess Carolyn moments was when PC and Venessa Gekko are having a deep, meaningful conversation and PC says something like “and to think all these years we were rival” and Venessa is just like “I never thought you were my rival?” I love the twist of it turning out that PC’s rivalry with Venessa, the one that had been built up for years, was one sided and always had been

[@alexanderdeval5561]

I really like the moment in theory, but it does feel a little retconn-y? Like, she was constantly doing little backstabbing, underhanded things to PC. Which means either this is a retcon, or Vanessa just *is* backstabbing and underhanded as a person, to everyone. Even if the rivalry was one sided, Vanessa is still kinda a crappy person, and I can fully understand why PC thought she hated her

[@rpproductions6241]

​@alexanderdeval5561 The other possibility is that Vanessa is like that with everyone, and we just see it with PC cause we follow her story. It doesn't mean her actions aren't cruel or vindicate her, but it may not be as personal as PC was making it. Also keep in mind that PC herself isn't innocent. She's done some shady and backstabbing things herself.

[@dylanmcdermott1110]

18:54 It means she has 8-24* eggs * At the time this episode aired

[@alexanderdeval5561]

There's that many James Bond Movies? Jeez

[@steviebeevie]

I wanted to add something in regards to how Ralph reacted insensitively to PCs last miscarriage. like any loss, you may or may not move past it and certainly NOT the same day, and typically all someone wants or needs is to be listened to and supported. No one would say "i know its hard our baby died of SIDs, but we can try again or adopt" because it's cruel, and its no different saying that about a child you imagined a life for, and felt so excited to love just because they never made it to birth.

[@TheCommenterDragon]

Princess Carolyn is indeed an icon, Out of all the female characters in the Bojack series she's rolemodel material because PC has proven that she is a very capable, Reliable and dedicated woman! And a woman with her level of all of those things deserves respect! Or at least she has my respect I don't know about the rest of the Bojack fandom. Sure even PC has had her share of "rock bottom" type moments, But she always managed to pick herself up and get her head back in the game.

[@jesserivera2043]

When you spoke about the math of her miscarriages it instantly made me think about the first episode where BoJack flips out at the very mention of a baby from Princess Carolyn. Wouldn't it be so smart if we learned that her history of miscarriages was planned that early?

[@odinvolk6973]

something I just noticed watching this even though I saw the episode multiple times. the rhino doctor makes the comment about James Bond films and PC responds with "doctor, no" and "Dr. No" is the very first 007/James Bond movie released in 1962

[@nebuchadnezzar8683]

Rather you love or hate her, she's the only cat who can put up with Bojack's crap!

[@princessmarlena1359]

Even officer Meow-Meow Fuzzyface can only tolerate so much in general, not just from BoJack.

[@ThePupYT]

19:20 as a vet student, I can confirm this is all true when it comes to animal reproduction. I don't know how anthropomorphic animals in the Bojack universe work in terms of reproduction but cats and dogs have a gestation period of roughly 9 weeks (63 days) and are litter bearing animals. Also instead of menstruation, mammals go through what is called estrus, which is basically the time their estrogen levels are highest and is the time to mate and conceive

[@PantheraQueen]

Don't worry, porcupines are born with soft quills. They harden when they hit the air

[@MaxiemumKarnage]

"What do you mean you lost the baby? Go find it."

[@bsanchez3563]

Sorry that is literally I know super awful like how awful an messed up I am to think that was funny but.. it made Cotton Hill stating as there isva baby crying in the house to hank "Well, go fix it" *snickering*

[@shayziekaizie]

19:56 so little known fact about sea horses, it is true that males are the ones that give birth to baby seahorses. It’s pretty interesting when you learn about it ^^

[@the-nina-beans88]

Give this show credit for researching sea horses or some one knew and infirm the crew about it

[@darkninjafirefox]

I adore Princess Carolyn, the fact that shes from my state makes me love her even more. Her being a pink kitty makes her even better. I also really like the theory that her necklace, probably full of lead, contributed to her miscarriages

[@ShadyRK9]

Princess Carolyn is one of my favorites! Alongside Diane, Todd, and Mr. Peanut Butter. Also weird take: when I was first watching this show Princess Carolyn kinda reminds me of a humanoid Jigglypuff. Same eye color, ears, the curl on her head...

[@Glitchtrapsacrade]

I feel Carolyn would have had her kids if it wasn’t for all the stress. One thing about pregnancy, if there is too much pressure going on around the mother. It will happen. I don’t know much, but I’m sure that it is at least one way that happens.

[@ceinwenchandler4716]

Yeah, excessive stress during pregnancy can cause some bad outcomes.

[@jamj4r]

Also considering her mom's necklace was actually made in the early/late 60s, it's HIGHLY likely it was made of or with lead and lead poisoning can happen through skin absorbtion in amounts small enough that YOU may not get sick outwardly but it can cause other health concerns such as fertility issues and miscarriages. Between the constant stress and the lead, it's amazing she was able to get pregnant in the first place. I'm glad she got her baby in the end.

[@Glitchtrapsacrade]

@@jamj4r Indeed. And I’m surprised JC Penny’s would allow a product that toxic.

[@b0wr0k0m5]

@@Glitchtrapsacradewe didn’t really know about all the effects of lead at the time. it used to be in everything from paint to petrol.

[@rpproductions6241]

I relate to Princess Carolyn quite a bit. After a series of bad or abusive relationships and a troubled childhood, I became more hyper focused on my projects. And I still am, but I've come to understand why and to deal with it more healthily (I think?). But I've also had so many people question the fact that I don't feel the need to get married (which doesn't mean I'm anti-relationship, but marriage hasn't been an end focus for me for many years) and not wanting my own children. It's as if they can't conceive there's another way to live.

[@Laststraw2018]

If I remember correctly lead can cause a host of issues including issues with pregnancy. And PC's necklace is lead painted or made with lead and that could have been the reason she couldn't have kids

[@seeleunit2000]

Yeah, pretty much.

[@JesusMartinez-rr2ry]

Consider this video as the pinnacle of your KZbin career, Kitty Monk. Your whole life has led to you making a video about Princess Carolyn, savor your crowning achievement.

[@mullerpotgieter]

The part where Robyn is upset she can't conceive despite being childfree is an actual thing. I've read the accounts of staunchly CF women that felt upset at learning of their infertility. They fully admit it shouldn't upset them, but its an irrational response from the brain. Basically just learning that even though they never wanted to pursue that avenue, its closed off to them forever is upsetting

[@rpproductions6241]

It's one thing to make a choice, it's another to realize the choice was never yours.

[@dickottel]

I would love to find out I'm infertile because if you don't want kids now you don't need to worry or use birth control. I'm asexual but in case some evil guy ever does something to me, at least I wouldn't worry about pregnancy.

[@Imstilllita]

I don’t watch king of the hill or this show or some others but I will never miss a kitty upload

[@blueraccoon1088]

I watch her channel bc she did upload tfp character analysis

[@robwayne]

Both shows are great watches! KOTH is a little easier to watch, but Bojack is deeper. Again, both are awesome and worth a watch.

[@EthanDarke]

PC was easily one of my favorite characters of the show along with Todd, but I will say I still wish she'd ended up with Ralph in the end. I wasn't wild about the last second out of nowhere pairing with Judah

[@MarthaRose92]

I've never put together the similarities of Ruthie and Symphon of Illumination. Both episodes are wonderful and make me ugly cry every time.

[@BlitzDemonGamer3032]

Princess Carolyn is one of the Best characters of BoJack Horseman

[@robwayne]

Rahhhhh Princess Carolyn mentioned!!

[@rafaelbrites3607]

her relationship with ralph was one of the health relationships. He cared about her fellings, unlike bojack. if wasn´t the fertility problem, they maybe marriege during the final season.

[@bsanchez3563]

Oh god 29:35 the fire.. those ears.. fuck man I can kind of tell I get a sispicion where this is headed.. not in a desirable but inevitable ig... direction so to speak.. oh also is the susie card different for the animatjon or did you specify assuming it is not only me.. that Kittys eyes a sloghtly more grey/gray then teal? Idk as the background I just noticed feels slightly more red than I thought I recalled.. but it mayne just if its warmer vs cool apparently iirc there a sicj tjing as "color temp" even for the same color and hue.. idk how color/shade of light works lol.. but yeah just legit out of curiosity.

[@warwulf1889]

31:11 It also makes sense narratively, because how else was that scenario happening with what we know.

[@andrewsanders17]

28:54 so 100% non political simply information I personally don't have an opinion on the matter. However during a miscarriage or abortion the material left inside can cause issues on their own however after the loss the remaining material will start to rot like a standard dead being which if not completely expelled or removed can cause deadly consequences for the host. I tried to be as clean as possible because again I have no opinion on the matter. P.S. I hope you all have a fantastic day and stay safe.

[@OpossumNotPossum]

As someone who lives in NC, Eden is in BFN. Wish we saw more NC in Bojack :(

[@alexconn7473]

If there was ever a character from this show I'd want for a mom if I was an orphan it would definitely be princess Carolyn

[@UtterQueerNightmare]

PC's necklace is made out of lead, which can cause fertility issues 😢

[@blueraccoon1088]

As someome who did live in north Carolina i never gone to eden and Raleigh I've only lived in rowan county but now as a Californian 2 of my friends do go to UCLA

[@princessmarlena1359]

Never been to those places either, but I passed Raleigh on the way to the beach back in 2019.

[@captainjellicoe1701e]

when you were talking as Princess Caroline mom I just had bad luck you kind of sound like Mr Hankey a little bit

[@ShadyRK9]

@19:41 you think Holly Hawk was tough there's an episode in Season 5 (or 6), WHERE A HUMAN WOMAN GIVES BIRTH TO A PORCUPINE! OUCH!! 🫣 Also @29:29 "it's the same as watching a show you really use to like as a kid and then being like yeah maybe this is why they don't rerun it or something like that." OMG! YES! REN AND STIMPY!! WTF was the creator on while making that show?!

[@YourBuddyBrady]

Princess Carolyn was my favorite character from Bojack. I actually stopped watching the show after season 3 because I was like "eh she's in a good enough place". Interesting where they took her.

[@GenieVillain26]

Not too long after one of my aunts' got married, she tried pretty hard to get pregnant. It got to the point to where she and her husband turned to fertility shots and IVF. I would see how her thighs had bruises all along them from all the injections she gave herself every night and wondered how she could withstand it giving herself these shots every night. She was very determined to have a child. She had at least six miscarriages before she had a trustworthy pregnancy without it ending in the loss of child. Before she did have her kids (as she ended up with twins and didn't try for anymore after them), whenever mom told us that she had another miscarriage, she would tell my siblings and I to pray that she get pregnant and for it to be a successful pregnancy. Sometimes, I would suggest to my mom that my aunt adopt a child if she really wanted one so bad. Mom would get kind of annoyed and defensive when I would recommend this as if it was bad to adopt, even though it is something that is heavily encouraged by evangelicals (at least, they urge pregnant people who want or need to abort a pregnancy to choose to put up "God's little miracle" for adoption if they really don't want a kid). I don't know if my mom (and possibly her sister struggling to make a child) didn't like this idea because it would be too costly, that they don't want to have to tell the truth to her kid that their biological parents didn't want them, or because they would possibly be declined approval be allowed to adopt. I don't know what is more expensive, all treatments she went through as well as the hospital bill from having her kids or adopting a child. I have also learned that one reason adoption is not as used as often as people trying nail and tooth to conceive a child is because people don't want just any kid, they want a baby. It can very very hard to get a baby compared to all of the kids who have passed infancy (but that does not at all mean they are any less worthy of adoption). Even if a family does want to adopt any kid of any age, there are barriers in the way of that too. Reunification is the main objective to foster care, they want to treat adoption as a last resort (at least, there are probably some cases where the kids would be much better off being adopted out of their birth family). Another problem is that if someone wants to adopt a kid internationally, it can be very difficult for the child to adjust to life in a totally different place. It's all a far too convoluted situation.

[@brigade7678]

as someone thats infertile and never wanted kids til later in life, I may adopt or foster some day. But it will never make up for or replace not being able to conceive. Its likely that your aunt may have tried that one day, but the irritation you felt from them might be more about the assumption that "having a child in the end" is the entirety of the issue. Whether its understandable to an outside perspective or not, its a huge loss to grieve when you can't conceive and you're not just grieving the lack of a baby, you're grieving the chance to choose and the experience of pregnancy itself. It also takes a massive toll to process your body just not functioning in a way that humans naturally assume is "god given", something we should be able to count on, its "what our body was made to do, it HAS to be possible!" Not to mention the horrible things some will say about people who are infertile. I've heard people talk about it being gods will and that person just didn't deserve to be pregnant. In other people's quest o rationalize our infertility they can be rather insensitive for their own sake. anyways, its a lot to process and people recommending other avenues to get a child do miss the first core wound to infertility. We have to grieve our own experience first before moving on to those logical actions to adopt/raise a child.

[@kkalimari9650]

I forget how much of a girls girl Kitty is until I remember all the resources and charities she works with that are centered around female health and welfare. I love it!! keep it up, Kitty 🫶🏼

[@SweetLala25]

I lost my baby a few years ago. I hated having a miscarriage. Some people don't understand the difference between that and having an abortion. My sister believes she understands what I went through because she's had a couple abortions and I keep telling her I WANTED my baby but my body didn't. She didn't want her kids so she chose to get rid of them. There's a difference. My mother just tells me to get over it since it happened years ago. smh

[@NickB1967]

10:48 Correct. For those interested in California universities, move here and establish residency first. (Although it has decayed from the great place it once was. 😞)

[@Ranked_Journey]

Hank's assistant thing is a noodle instant utilized well.

[@princessmarlena1359]

Princess Carolyn, Edna Krabappel, and female characters such as them are how to write a good strong female character. Not a Mary Sue, worked for and earned what they have, posses strengths but also flaws, they grow and learn from the setbacks they experience. Also, I always imagined Princess Carolyn’s dad to be named “Boo-Boo”.

[@SPAnComCat]

Thanks for that Great Video! I don't have much of an Opinion but that Video made me Think Critically nonetheless!

[@jacksonfurlong3757]

Princess Carolyn's mother was played by character actress Margo Martindale

[@the-nina-beans88]

Well… you can say P.C took her licks but did get up back on her feet in the end and she got a husband and daughtet

[@rileyanthony]

@KittyMonk the unfortunate thing about adopting is the fact there are so many kids and not enough families to afford adoption and what makes it even more difficult is the fact the prosses of adoption isn’t easy on the family either and what is unfair is the fact no one republican and democrat have not done anything to fix issue either

[@alicianelson1252]

I don’t get why Wallace’s family didn’t just pay for an out of state abortion

[@KanderUdon]

Hey was this my recommendation!

[@skootergirl22]

The real question is how human and animals can reproduce with each other

[@sunnysidesouffle8348]

Fun fact not Italy but Russia where it's hinted that Pc's family was rich/aristocracy and fled during the revolution. And that cats represent the czars and rats represent the working class who overturned and are now part of the current government

[@LadyLeomon]

She should legally change her name to Queen Carolyn cos this lady is a Queen among Cats 😎😎😎 Thanks for the new video Kitty Monk and hug your furbabies all 💙🐱💙

[@whitelasagna6786]

My aunt was told she has a hirned uterus and would never have kids... After she had her fourth.

[@limediamond4595]

6:26 algorithms* not equations

[@lucretiaderloshon]

Fun fact when porcupines are born there quill are not sharp they’ll sharpen over time

[@mickeymanik]

Bean!

[@emmalee8615]

Yay a PC video!

[@R_violi]

What, but there is more than one major character with a large family? Diane's brothers?

[@amnesiaenjoyer]

A majority of the time, miscarriages are often a mostly if not completely natural process. The terminated foetus will usually expel on its own without medical intervention. Medical intervention is sometimes required (but not always), which could mean medication or “minor” surgery. There shouldn’t be any shame in this.

[@belleroseelizabethsmith8148]

Have you ever seen trolls? I would love to do a collab with u on it

[@bluecollarden]

Hi, woman who has had 4 miscarriages in the span of 3 years. While PC does have fertility issues due to her age and other factors on top of miscarriages, I do want to clarify that recurrent miscarriages and infertility technically aren't the same. I have been pregnant a total of 5 times (I do have one child, he was my first pregnancy) and my husband and I do not have a problem with conception therefore we are not infertile, but none of those pregnancies went past 6 weeks and I do not know why. It takes a huge emotional toll when each one of these little ones were wanted, I don't know how PC kept going. Thanks.

[@seeleunit2000]

My condolences. That had to be very traumatic to experience.

[@ceinwenchandler4716]

Are you going to try and get the Evil Morty video back up? I would LOVE to see it.

[@bsanchez3563]

Ooh Bean, as in the Mre/xmre supplier of matches D.D Bean an son matches. [Used for mre emergency food or some of them tat have those included] 12:25 huh.. never really thought to- in-depth like beyond a shotgun wedding like thinking of sucj a thing as basically just the pre like actual day of the wedding type scenarios/sitiation.. but yeah that kind of does seem inevitably a awful lot like surefire precedence for a no good can come of this type situation ngl.. legit fr. Also I am suprised of how recently as much as the 90s even that standard/or society would have been SO mind blowingly different than the present day.. I just figured the mid 70s depending on context idk.. just..idk this really makes one- think *as much of a dumbass like probable.. epiphany as that seems like.. of me* how quickly yet all so slow the society expevtations or status quos are to change.. feels like room temperature molasses in some ways, an unrefrigerated/open but allowed to warm up imitation maple syrups speed.. so like slow vs runny kind of.. ig if that made sense.. Shit man in all honesty not pnly is this feel so deep it.. it could be a good reason I say fwiw that PC could be one of the best characters in Bojack Horseman/characters that have it the worst.. man it would so tough now to think of it who would not be on that list.. Shit if miscarraige also requires like surgery.. man thats like a terrifying alost permanent truama that is gotta be like one of those things that maybe repeats itself over and over an secretly the person never stops having it happen. Like almost a timeloop or even worse a broken/erratic/partial timeloop..

[@jade4994]

My dad is a lot like PCs mum. I once had an ovarian cyst that hospitalised me and he told me i caused it by not drinking enough water and eating things i shouldnt 😂 parents are so weird

[@MurderLamb]

Awesome :D

[@maytalacedo2942]

She did marry Judah although we don't see it happen but i like that they worked so well before they started dating. It's really fitting.

[@faithkincaid]

i freaking loved me some ralph.

[@zombeevee5483]

My sister has POS and can't have kids.. she's tried and tried and every boyfriend has eventually left and had kids with someone else. The worst part is everyone with POS who was told they couldn't have kids did end up having kids, and everyone has a story of someone who thought they couldn't and did. But not her, so those stories only hurt more. She's single and works constantly just to afford rent, sadly it's just not something that will happen. And she wants it more desperately than anyone else I know... infertility sucks

[@zahwon6351]

Why are all pink animals so interesting. Pink Panther, Courage the cowardly God, princess kitty and Kitty monk...I'm just saying

[@morphhd7447]

bean!

[@RockismyAir]

Bean Bean Bean!

[@ShockMe1994]

Is the Morty episode going to come back?

[@diegoenriquezacariascabrer7619]

Where is my Todd video

[@tmntgirl4life]

Bean

[@reesochacon1448]

This is only a minor nitpick, but Cannes is pronounced "kan" like "soda can" or "beer can". Regardless, I don't think that the tongue-twister would make too much of a difference.

[@alexiboo7309]

looking forward to this. hello from, england.

[@tuhkiscgibin6627]

bean

[@WeebGuru6]

U should do a video about Hayley smith being the worsr

[@gamingborger]

oh. i know what happens during the surgery. the doctor i learned it from also said that most doctors leave after a few baby removals

[@aaagrimage]

Slayy

[@characterblub2.0]

I was the 1k like 🎉

[@humanwolf1984]

60 Thousand gees it's Depending on the age of the fur babies it can be either $100 or 350 or 450 dollars in a Dog or cat so maybe people should just adopt a Fur baby instead of a Human one. 😉🐶🐕‍🦺🐕🐈🐱❤

[@RyanPancakes]

Technically she didn’t adopt a human, she adopted a porcupine 😂 but I definitely agree with your sentiment. Fur babies over human babies!

[@humanwolf1984]

​@@RyanPancakes & That's why I only want Boston Terrier next after my beautiful 15 year old German shepherd Shepherd mix Fur baby girl & spoiling my favorite niece. 😉🐶🐕🐕‍🦺❤️

[@RyanPancakes]

@@humanwolf1984 same but no neice and all my spoiling will go to my rat babies

[@humanwolf1984]

​​@@RyanPancakesI love my niece but my fur baby is my Fur Daughter. ❤️🐕‍🦺🐕🐶❤️

[@92JazzQueen]

My opinion as a pro lifer the pro choice episode was needless and was just there to ram a one sided message with no nuance.

[@brigade7678]

your side does not have very many reasonable arguments to present dude.

[@92JazzQueen]

@@brigade7678 Of course you would say that.

[@dani01949]

braap braap pew pew!

[@92JazzQueen]

@@dani01949 oh brother

[@AJPiersonToonParadise]

Bean!

[@thefallenangel3454]

Bean

[@ILurk83]

Bean!