Is Science Turning Back to God? - Stephen Meyer - Episode 43

[@tiffanymagee2700]

I love listening to Dr. Meyer any time I can. It is always so enlightening and encouraging! As a scientist it's so refreshing to hear the facts presented in a way that confirms my faith in Jesus! ♥️

[@a29miller]

Great interview! Dr Meyer is truly one of the great minds of our time. Such a pleasure listening to the discussion. Thank you!

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube?

[@les2997]

@@jamesginty6684 The fossil record doe not support evolution.

[@rogerthornton8064]

Thank you for discussions like these, it is refreshing to hear open-minded discussion. Not pushing any agenda or particular religious beliefs but just an open-minded attitude towards all potential truth. Thank you thank you thank you

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?

[@derhafi]

"Not pushing any agenda" Hahah yet Meyer works for the ill-named Discovery institute where they do no research at all, none, and of which one of its founders Howard F. Ahmanson, Jr. openly wants to replace democracy with a fundamentalist theocracy… Why is it that only fundamental Christians and the weirdo math teacher Berlinski keep peddling this idea of ID? Which has never and will never sontribute anything to our understanding of nature? "ust an open-minded attitude towards all potential truth" Being open minded it the willingness to consider new evidence, it does not mean that every demonstrably useless idea has to be taken seriously. ID is such an idea. How is an unfalsifiable assumtion with no demonstrable correaltion with reality a "potential truth"?

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube?

[@deepakransom2718]

Always a joy to hear you.

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube?

[@alanflood8162]

Great discussion; Meyer is so brilliant & clear!

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube?

[@jamesginty6684]

have you check out "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" and "How Creationism Taught Me Real Science 44 Lucy" on youtube. they shows how ignorant .Casey Luskin and discovery institute is.

[@jamesginty6684]

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[@richardrogers668]

@@jamesginty6684 You made your point. Are you this annoying all the time? You sound like one of those people who go around intruding into a discussion, shouting and interrupting because they don't believe the same as you do. Why don't you go back to your own "church" and pester them?

[@bellyyyyyy]

Great interview and so encouraging to see a young person like yourself seeking for truth. God bless and I really hope to see your channel grow. ❤️

[@mcmanustony]

Maybe one day he'll talk to an actual scientist rather than a lying charlatan like Meyer.

[@Jim-mn7yq]

@@mcmanustony oh geez. Tony is off his psych meds again,

[@luzgenao8492]

Kent Hovind has been debating scientists for years and he spanks them regularly. The scientists then bring their students instead of challenging him. They are cowards when questioned on their false religion of Darwin. God knew he would Darwin while he was forming the foundations of the Earth. You not only have to find the missing link for man but all lifeforms on Earth and none have been found. You have fabricated Piltman, Lucy, Caveman, and age of the Earth.

[@mcmanustony]

@@luzgenao8492 Thanks for confirming: Hovind is an illiterate clown who's into spanking.

[@luzgenao8492]

@@mcmanustony That is a typical liberal response. Your a child who was never taught to think but only how to think.

[@2corinthians989]

Stephen Meyer, John Lennox, and other like-minded scholars need to begin seeking the Lord God for wisdom on the development of educational curriculum from grade school on through higher levels of education, because very soon, probably beginning this year, the control over those systems will be taken from the atheists and given to those who believe the Biblical view of creation. Infinite love & blessings, Carlton

[@ozowen5961]

If a "biblical view" becomes what is taught in your schools then that will guarantee your economic collapse. Your country is already famously prone to science denial. The so called "biblical view" of origins is wrong at every point and is as useful to science as a chocolate kettle is for boiling water in.

[@2corinthians989]

@@ozowen5961 Real, unbiased science ultimately has no choice but to confirm the Biblical origins of creation. Relatively recent scientific discoveries/conclusions concerning the universe having a definite beginning, the DNA bombshell found in even basic organisms, fine-tuning of the universe, and so forth and so on, continue to show the foolishness of the evolution theory. It takes total self-deception to look into the vast, complex, and perfectly synchronized and coordinated universe and creation, then somehow conclude it all started from some non-living, unintelligent, random thing that evolved and became the universe and creation of today. Even a child knows you can't create something from nothing. If there is a creation, then there must be, has to be a creator. Thus, atheism is a fulfillment of Psalm 14:1:THE fool ha[s] said in his heart, There is no God." Moreover, I know the Holy Bible is true because I have a real, personal intimate relationship with the one and only true and living God of Whom the Holy Bible speaks. Because a man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with a mere argument or opinion, an atheist only can persuade those who do not have a real-life, personal, intimate relationship with the true and living God. I have been on a most exciting and fulfilling spiritual journey with Him for over 30 years now. I would not trade it for all the wealth, fame, power/influence, and pleasure this world can offer ----- never, ever, ever. Oh, how I pray that you will come to know, to love, to obey, and to live for Him, as I have been so blessed to know, to love, to obey, and to live for Him: nothing in this temporal, fallen world ever can compare ----- absolutely nothing. Infinite love & blessings

[@ozowen5961]

@@2corinthians989 1) I'm not an atheist. 2) that was a load of nonsense, dare I say garbage. Delusional, smug, ignorant, but, above all, nonsense. The universe is not fine tuned. It is wild and weird. If it were a clock it would tell the time only by chance and it would be weirdly incomprehensible. The very big, the very small and the very fast all operate by strange rules indeed. DNA is a record of slips & mistakes as well as evolutionary progress. And both the progresses and the mistakes are a part of the evolutionary tale it tells.

[@2corinthians989]

@@ozowen5961 As I told you, if you truly had an intimate, personal relationship with the true and living God, we never would be having this conversation because you would know the Lord God created the universe and all that is within it. Again, neither you nor all the foolish evolution theories can explain how all that is today began with nothing ---- even an unintelligent, random "missing link" would have had to be created by someone. If I told you a car or watch was created not by an intelligent being, but by unintelligent, random nothingness over billions of years, you rightfully would called me crazy, insane. Thus, is the appropriate description of anyone who claims all of the universe that exist today ----- which is infinitely more complex than a mere car or watch ----- came out of nothing. Bottom line: nothing never can create something. Only a deceived, delusional person can believe otherwise. Become truly spiritually born-again and you will be delivered from darkness into the light, from deception into the truth. AMEN! AMEN!! AMEN!!!

[@mcmanustony]

Meyer is not a scholar. He's a full time activist at a right-wing, Christian fundamentalist pressure group.

[@bluejysm2007]

It is always remarkably interesting to listen to Dr. Meyer, thanks for a great show.

[@mcmanustony]

He has smeared his critics as Nazis- so you have that degeneracy in common.....

[@Jim-mn7yq]

@@mcmanustony Really? What did he say? And what's your source? Tony, since you traffic in lies and smears and distortions, everything you claim should be questioned.

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube?

[@revelationtrain7518]

Great show

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube?

[@Greenie-43x]

Stephen C Meyer, scholar, author, and owner of a cheap camera! Love ya!💚

[@mcmanustony]

scholar? really? what subject?

[@Greenie-43x]

Stephen holds a PhD in Philosophy of Science from Cambridge University. 🔆

[@mcmanustony]

@@Greenie-43x He has contributed nothing whatsoever since to any branch of scholarship. He has published nothing in philosophy and his one appearance in the peer reviewed literature was ditched the instant it appeared as it was the result of cheating the peer review process. You are confusing "scholar" with "corrupt, lying zealot"

[@Greenie-43x]

@@mcmanustony You obviously feel strongly about him. But all those statements are heavily opinionated, so there's really nothing factual there to argue. Thank you for your opinion, the more comments a video gets, the better it scores for the channel overall. Have a great day‼

[@mcmanustony]

​@@Greenie-43x Its not a matter of opinion but of fact that he has zero training in the branches of science he abuses. It's not a matter of opinion but of fact that he is NOT a scientist. It is not a matter of opinion but of documented fact that he lies at the drop of a hat: I can provide many examples. It is not a matter of opinion but of fact that his ridiculous essay only appeared in a peer reviewed journal because the review process had been cheated to sneak it in behind the backs of the board of editors. It is not a matter of opinion but of fact that he has relentlessly lied through his teeth about the scandal ever since. Your attempt to deflect is not working.

[@johncastino2730]

Outstanding discussion. Glad to see this from the Colson Foundation. I knew Chuck and spoke at a few prisons with him. He was a Brilliant and visionary man. Thank you for bringing Dr. Meyer on this platform.

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube?

[@marceloribeirosimoes8959]

There's so simple. Some can see that even a quark has a programation to interact and "behave" as it does. Trying to prove that natural selection does the job don't exclude intelligence behind it. It's so easy to understand this...

[@djnh300]

Fantastic! Thanks. Subtle and refined arguments. Although there is only one logical conclusion from the observable and empirical evidence we encounter: there must have been an intelligence behind it. Interesting you reference the 'science talking heads' and the manipulation of online media. I suspect it is more extensive than we currently imagine! Thanks again much appreciated we appear to be moving towards gnosis!

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube?

[@thomasstevenrothmbamd2384]

Thank God for "Return of the God Hypothesis." The failure to consider the Laws of Nature as inseparable from the Laws of Nature's God in proper scientific research and application is destroying society. Thomas Steven Roth, MBA, MD Christian Minister for Biblical Medical Ethics, and therefore, Scientific and Religious Refugee from the Clinical Practice of Psychiatric Standards of Care

[@mcmanustony]

"the Laws of Nature as inseparable from the Laws of Nature's God "- which god?

[@Jim-mn7yq]

​@@mcmanustony The one mentioned in the quote. Guess reading isn't your thing.

[@mcmanustony]

@@Jim-mn7yq It's a perfectly reasonable question- which neither he nor you can adequately explain. So he's established the existence of a specific invisible, timeless, disembodied, omnipotent mind....and the non existence of multiple hundreds of other specific invisible, timeless, disembodied, omnipotent minds. How fabulous! You must be very pleased.

[@Jim-mn7yq]

@@mcmanustony It gives me no satisfaction to see your inability to comprehend the very sentence you quoted, which holds the answer you asked about.

[@mcmanustony]

@@Jim-mn7yq You are confused. I comprehend it perfectly- it's just that it's vacuous nonsense. You also confuse me with someone who gives a flying toss what you find "satisfying". Have a nice day.

[@thekendredspirit5771]

It wasn't science that turned me away from Christianity but love. When a Jewish man I highly respected asked me if he deserved to burn in hell for not accepting Jesus as his personal savior that was the catalyst for my journey. I've always had questions that I was told to suppress by other Christians but I got to a point that I couldn't suppress what was on my heart anymore. I believe in a creator but certain dogmas, doctrines, and ideologies I find problematic. I later discovered contradictions in the scriptures but that wasn't the initial reasons that had me questioning Christianity. I still believe in some higher form of intelligence.

[@nickmartinez7674]

Interesting.

[@ronaldbaginski7889]

We can often respect, revere individuals to our detriment. All of us are sinners worthy of death. None of us by our works can be saved, All of us are in need of a savior, Jesus Christ, God incarnate. A Jewish man may feel that his traditions, following the law will save him, but God says all our works are like filthy rags. I pray that the Holy Spirit will lead you and guide you in the truth, that the contradictions you see in the Bible will be answered, clarified.

[@thekendredspirit5771]

@@ronaldbaginski7889 There’s a big difference between death and eternal torture. I know a lot of Christians use these terms interchangeably but there’s a big difference. I don’t believe anyone deserves eternal torture for finite sins or disbelief, no one. The contradictions I see will probably never be clarified. I doubt I’ll ever agree with genocide, fratricide, slavery, rape, and eternal torture. Maybe I’m wrong but this is my current position. One love.

[@ronaldbaginski7889]

@@thekendredspirit5771 I have been where you presently stand. I wish you well.

[@riveroflife9956]

@@thekendredspirit5771 thats the main issue, is that most humans don’t think their sin is that bad that they should deserve eternal punishment and separation from God. But because we are sinning against an eternal God, then our sin is punished on an eternal level. When we try to reason Gods eternal law with our own human minds, it’s a downward spiral of hating God when we don’t understand how bad our sin is. Think of it this way...here’s a bad analogy but it might help you. If you take a key and scratch someone’s beat up car, the consequences might be little, definitely not an insurance claim. If you scratch a new truck, the consequences will be hundreds or even thousands of dollars and an insurance claim. But if you took a key and scratched someone’s Lamborghini, the consequences could make you go broke or bankrupt. Those cars have 50,000 paint jobs! Our sin against an eternal God is worse than anything we can humanly imagine in our minds. Because God is perfect and holy and pure, therefore we cannot understand how truly evil our sin is ! sinning against him and what eternal consequences that causes. And even all that, God still became a human and gave his own life to pay the punishment for you!!!!! That’s why the only option was to send his Son here, who is the perfect substitute for us, because he had zero sin and lived a perfect sinless life for us. The Bible says that many will create their own God to suit their needs and that is what you are doing.. you are denying the God who gives you truth, in order to fashion a God that suits your needs and doesn’t charge you eternally for your sins. But please I pray that you reconsider trying to Judge God, who has given you truth to his word. I pray that you consider these things I am saying! God bless you- put your trust in Jesus! Repent from your sins and turn to him. It’s a free gift of everlasting life that saves you form eternal damnation. That eternal hell we all deserve including me!!! Because I am wicked and twisted just like all others! We need Jesus! And he is knocking at your door waiting for you to let him in;) he can’t force you.. it’s a choice you get to make with free will! Amen!

[@nickmartinez7674]

Way over my pea brain, but enjoyable! 😃

[@mcmanustony]

Try listening to actual scientists.

[@riveroflife9956]

check out Jason Lisle and some of his arguments on intelligent design on KZbin - he is a young earth, creationist and astro physicist who has some of the greatest arguments for creation I’ve seen yet

[@derhafi]

@@riveroflife9956 If you are into shoehorning various random points into an ad hoc framework of bul++++ that supports a recent creation regardless of what the scientific data says….then he is your guy. "I have known Ken Ham for many years and have never heard him say or seen him write anything that is contrary to any fact that has been established by the scientific method." -Jason Lisle "The Creation Museum uses fossils to present evidence that there was a global catastrophe, Noah's Flood, that killed and preserved the remains of creatures all over the earth." Ken Ham

[@jackbackband7733]

In the beginning (reference to time) God (unimagibale power) Created (reference to energy) The heavens (space) and the earth (Matter.)

[@vigilantofstendarr6276]

You,my friend,should look into professionally.

[@pneumaone]

Shane are you using a camera...your picture is excellent?

[@alexlainagudo6228]

Dr. Stephen Meyer the apologist of lntelligent Design.

[@blindlemon9]

Um...yep. And he would almost certainly agree with that assessment. The term “apologist” does not imply an apology. It is a term borrowed from legal theory that simply means a justification or defense. I am personally not a fan of ID, but I believe that a reasonable individual can make a prima facie case for it.

[@tristan728]

Yes and I'm glad..

[@tyamada21]

My new understandings of what many call 'God' - resulting from my NDE... Below is a piece from my new eye-opening, thought-provoking and enlightening autobiography titled: Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within... (Amazon Books) Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave. The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist. For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment. The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing. The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence. The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists. Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’. On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication. For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything. NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us. For more about Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo please read Tina Turner's new book: Happiness Becomes You. Or Google 'Let go, and let God' by Olivia Newton.

[@mrshankerbillletmein491]

I come across so many who think science has prooved there is no God and think I am an absolute fool for believing in Him.

[@unkowntheunkownsatoshi4842]

I remember i told you they just had not found it yet but i believe it was found

[@unkowntheunkownsatoshi4842]

Meyer i think i remember you back in 2010?

[@gtjohnson1216]

The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. Through the study and analysis of a system’s components, a design theorist is able to determine whether various natural structures are the product of chance, natural law, intelligent design, or some combination thereof. Such research is conducted by observing the types of information produced when intelligent agents act. Scientists then seek to find objects which have those same types of informational properties which we commonly know come from intelligence. Intelligent design has applied these scientific methods to detect design in irreducibly complex biological structures, the complex and specified information content in DNA, the life-sustaining physical architecture of the universe, and the geologically rapid origin of biological diversity in the fossil record during the Cambrian explosion.

[@ozowen5961]

The Cambrian followed the evolution in the Pre Cambrian period.

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube?

[@gtjohnson1216]

@@jamesginty6684 Not yet

[@DJHastingsFeverPitch]

The issue with this is that you're describing a way of forming models about reality that essentially represents a competing method to science as a whole. Science is essentially about using observational experiment to assist in creating models about reality by testing hypotheses. What you've described here does not involve the process of experiment to test. So, it may be that this way of making models is effective, but it is not science, and until it is shown to be a broadly applicable method for gaining knowledge, it will not be held as reliable

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen aronra's video "Prager U supports Intelligent Deception"?

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?

[@mohameda5947]

1600's and onwards might mark the scientific revolution for europeans and westerners, maybe, but science and different fields of study were explored for ages before that while most europeans were in the dark ages. musliims were right there in parts of europe like in spain on the western most frontier, studying and researching and developing in many different fields including science, and served as the catalyst for the so called renaissance and scientific revolution for those in the dark ages. pulling many people out of the dark.

[@derhafi]

Very true...the open and tolerant society in early Islam made this possible ...just a shame that Al Ghazzali put an end to this golden age by declaring the tinkering with numbers is the “devils work” . Religion poisens everything.

[@mohameda5947]

@@lepidoptera9337 quit peddling nonsense and false propaganda. Have some shame. How do you you even attempt to make such a false statement when the opposite is true. Where in islam does it say not to learn, and/ or stop education? Everything i mentioned earlier were done by muslims in following commandments to read, and contemplate the material universe to be at further awe of The Creator who made it all; The one and only true Creator, Allah/ The God. Youre welcome to islam.

[@mohameda5947]

@@derhafi inaccurate historically.

[@derhafi]

@@mohameda5947 "Where in islam does it say not to learn, and/ or stop education?" I did not say that Islam per se is statig that..it is not. I said Al Ghazzali proclaimed that sucessfully and thus put an end to the golden age of islam. Which is a historical fact. Are you deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote? You are welcome to show some integrety anytime. "The Creator who made it all; The one and only true Creator, Allah/ The God." a baseless claim suppoprted by absolutely nothing in nature....very unimpressive.

[@mohameda5947]

@@derhafi if you pay attention to the addressee to the comment you’re disputing, you’ll notice it wasn’t to you.

[@michaelbariso3192]

What do you get when you mix Einstein's gravitational waves with time dilation? A universe of chaos where time and gravity fluctuates with waves, planets in solar systems are thrown off course in a collision course towards their sun. The speed of light is determined by how fast it travels through what Tesla called the ether-space, it's not a Time Machine. Albert Einstein joined all the fundamental forces of the universe together, stretching time like a rubber band-using the speed of light to measure the age of the universe. Time and space are independent of each other, debunking Big Bang-evolution and the age of the universe

[@djsarg7451]

Thank you to Upstream with Shane Morris. Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not about 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. I work the day shift. (Both are not 24 hours) Deuteronomy 33:15 and H abakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". Gen. 2:4 “in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens” The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Creationism does not equal young Earth. There are many Old Earth creationists.

[@fidenful]

The unequivocal CONSENSUS in the scientific community is that : " Intelligent design is not science and has no place in a science curriculum. " Google Thank you very much.

[@8140100]

Gotta love this guy. The damage done to people, especially young people, has been huge by a scientific community who automatically rule out any transcendent cause to explain the universe we observe and life itself. I think that they have let their worldview shape their science. Christopher Hitchens (though not a scientist) clearly had the view ... God does not exist and I hate Him ... and we call these people RATIONAL???? Sometimes I wish that God would just step forward and take a bow ... but maybe it is better for us to simply bow before Him and praise Him, for He is worthy Shalom aleichem

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Scientist Reacts to "Fossil Record Debunked" | Reacteria" on youtube?

[@jamesginty6684]

have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube?

[@DJHastingsFeverPitch]

Science operates like this: if something can be repeatedly tested through observational experiment, then it can be incorporated into the scientific body of knowledge. If it can't be tested, then it won't be incorporated into the scientific body of knowledge. This process doesn't make any claims about the metaphysical nature of reality, transcendent or otherwise, since such things are untestable. Instead, it merely asserts only that which can be tested.

[@rickedwards7276]

Steven Myer is a very intelligent and knowledgeable person. He’s got a great persona and seems to be thoughtful and not given to raving. But as far as I can tell all he’s got is the Kalam and the fine-tuning hypothesis. Neither of those work for me. Am I missing something?

[@ronaldbaginski7889]

Lets not forget specified complexity in the cell. Dna the instruction book/code for all life. Whether we see inscriptions on the rosetta stone, egyptian hieroglyphics we can recognise the workings of a mind. Meyer,s point is that we can recognise the activity of a mind. Just as a painting requires a painter, a building a builder; so creation requires a creator.

[@rickedwards7276]

@@ronaldbaginski7889 Those things are basically elaborations of the fine-tuning. And the reason we see human creativity in hieroglyphics as we know that humans made them. We don’t need to invoke design to explain what we see in nature. He’s quite wrong about that.

[@ronaldbaginski7889]

@@rickedwards7276 Rick could you elaborate on how he is wrong about that.

[@rickedwards7276]

@@ronaldbaginski7889 All that needs to be said is that humans evolved as pattern seekers. We’re really good at seeing patterns. We’re so great that we see patterns that aren’t actually there. When you look at something and you see a creator it’s your mind making that connection. There’s no compelling reason to think that there is an intellect creating any of this.

[@gordonepema722]

@@rickedwards7276 If we're so good at seeing patterns, we should be able to reliably distinguish a pattern that isn't there from one that is. We certainly have recognised patterns that are really there, we've got that down pretty good, and eliminated a lot of patterns that weren't there after all. If the best data we have points to an established or recognised pattern, something Dr Meyer has gone to considerable and rigorous length to demonstrate in his books, isn't that evidence that it's actually there?

[@davidbutler1857]

Short answer? "NO"

[@billbrock8547]

To include God in a scientific hypothesis you would have to show empirical evidence for God's existence. Since no such evidence exists, God is excluded.

[@sanjosemike3137]

As much as I have dropped materialism, I can reasonably understand why atheists followed Darwin prior to the "new nano-particle" revolution in science as well as the obvious data of the Universe expanding from creation. Darwin had no understanding of these new scientific revolutions. He thought that life was "cloudy Jell-O." The problem with the substitution of materialism for God is that it results in enormous moral confusion. When I was an atheist, I recognized that it is still possible to live an honorable life without belief in God. I still believe that it is. Jordan Peterson implied as much when he said: "I try to live my life pretending that God exists." But the new atheists seem "stuck" in the Darwinian days before we knew that the Universe started from nothing, and that digital data is required to start out and operate life. I know they insist that "complexity can come from nothing." But it would have helped their arguments if the Universe could have been proven as always existing, giving enough time for this. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@sanjosemike3137]

I think I understand your post but am not sure. Are you insulting me? If so, thank you for taking time to read my posts. If you get angry at me, it suggests that you take my posts seriously. I can ask for no more. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@sanjosemike3137]

@@lepidoptera9337 Thanks for the suggestion. I don’t live in TX. Because I don’t eat meat (and haven’t for over 40 years), I don’t care about cattle. Property taxes are high in some TX localities. We saved about 20k/year by moving away from CA. We are not alone. Now most of CA wants to leave. And come here. I don’t usually disclose my location. I unwisely give medical advice on line. I have no right to do that, ‘cause I’m retired. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@sanjosemike3137]

@@lepidoptera9337 I don't usually disclose my income, as you probably do not either. However, I did retire at age 53 after selling my own Medicare Certified Surgical Center. There are many people, millions in fact who have more money than I do. However, I am still proud of myself because I was born from a poor family in Detroit and had to try to sell magazine subscriptions door to door when I was a teen. Ringing doorbells in poor neighborhoods in Detroit to try to sell exhausted housewife's magazines is a learning experience. They thought I was from Mars! Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@sanjosemike3137]

@@lepidoptera9337 A number of conservatives tend to discount the opinions of people who live in the Bay Area. When I selected my screen name it wasn’t so pronounced. Rather than change my screen name I just added a note stating I left it. My wife and I both agreed on moving out. As far as my having “financial naïveté” I would add that I retired at age 53. That might indicate that I made good choices, whatever they were. I hope you make an effort to improve yourself. Jordan Peterson has good advice. Whatever our differences, I certainly wish you the best and hope you DO start making more money and profiting! Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@SpotterVideo]

During my lifetime evidence of the Exodus has been found at a mountain in Saudi Arabia. It confirms Paul's words below. Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. Midian is located in the Northwest corner of Saudi Arabia on old maps. Exo_18:1 When Jethro, the priest of Midian, Moses' father in law, heard of all that God had done for Moses, and for Israel his people, and that the LORD had brought Israel out of Egypt; The History Channel claims to have found evidence of ancient aliens, but they cannot find a mountain in Saudi Arabia. What is wrong with this picture?

[@Only1INDRAJIT]

I think it's God who's turning back to Science now

[@vigilantofstendarr6276]

Would you like to at least try to make sense?

[@marveloussoftware1417]

Science could turn to a god if there was some evidence.

[@garywalker447]

Nope.

[@jamesginty6684]

have you check out "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" and "How Creationism Taught Me Real Science 44 Lucy" on youtube. they shows how ignorant .Casey Luskin and discovery institute are.

[@unkowntheunkownsatoshi4842]

At the hospital kisser

[@buttonwizard6644]

No

[@Arminius420]

Turning back to god? God belief is tanking in America and Europe where are you getting this from?

[@RussellStrosnider]

I think the distinction is between science and humanity. Scientific understanding has definitely advanced the belief that there is intelligence and wisdom from the basic start of atoms all the way to the edges of the universe. Belief in God is more acceptable today than it was when the 4 idiots of atheism first arrived. Humanity as a whole, on the other hand, is definitely turning away from God and there will be no return. As the good book itself says, their waters have dried up.

[@Arminius420]

@@RussellStrosnider The only examples we have about intelligence is in nature not outside of it. There is no evidence of agency with out a brain.

[@RussellStrosnider]

@@Arminius420 I'm not sure what your point is. Naturally, atoms and stars don't have a brain or self-awareness. But their design, balance and complexity show an overall intelligence in the designer. Nature gives testimony about the creator and HIS wisdom and intelligence. Interestingly, science and religion used to be intertwined until the 60's when atheism became the cool thing to believe in. All the scientific trailblazers up until the 1900's were religious men and women. Galileo, Newton, Copernicus, even Einstein, etc.

[@rejectevolution152]

Kinda wierd how the people with God will inherit these nations huh? The amish with america and islam with northern europe.

[@Arminius420]

@@rejectevolution152 There is too much diversity to be taken over by one religion. Theism is dropping rapidly in America and Europe. But idk.

[@jackthebassman1]

Nope.