Is Shonen Jump Cancelling Too Many Manga?

Has Weekly Shonen Jump been cancelling series too often and too quickly? With series like Neru: Way of the Martial Artist and The Hunters Guild: Red Hood dropping left and right and barely making it to 20 chapters, it seems hard for anyone to have success in the magazine. But is this outside of the norm, or is this just the magazine being as cutthroat as it's always been?
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[@omnibuscollector]

Statistically, it was more likely for One Piece to be cancelled back in 1997 when it debuted than in any recent year. Forgot to put that in the video

[@OriginalDonutposse]

Wait did you do mean and standard deviation?

[@sonofglory7029]

can you give a brief one line sentence of each cancelled title .maybe there is a theme on what kind of series is getting cancelled .

[@rafaelcalmon2858]

Maybe. But was there as many series at the top as there are today? The "top 3 voting system" they implement basically makes it so when there are 3 great series of the same type, a new one that is similar gets much fewer votes. *For example: Phantom Seer.* being a supernatural shounen battle manga directly competes with Jujutsu Kaisen and also clash with other popular battle manga like One Piece and BHA. It's not too far-fetched to assume a lot of the shounen battle manga fans would vote for One Piece and BHA, and those who are also fans of supernatural genre would vote for Jujutsu Kaisen before Phantom Seer. Meanwhile, a comedy series like Witch Watch gets votes from people who would vote for comedy before battle manga, which might even net them plenty of "first" votes. Basically, the more big series clash with yours, the less chance you get to receive one of 3 votes, and even less to receive "first" or "second", which are worth more. Being the fourth pick of the majority of people doesn't give you any votes from them. Meanwhile, series that clash less get those stray niche votes, that are enough to put them ahead even if the majority wouldn't pick them over the fourth best battle manga series if given only the two as options.

[@omnibuscollector]

@@rafaelcalmon2858 at the time the magazine contained Kenshin, YuGiOh, Captain Tsubasa, I”s, Hoshin Engi, B&Stard (censored because YT thinks I’m cursing at someone), Seikimatsu Leader-Den Takeshi, Hell Teacher Nube, Kochi Kame and others. Edit: Forgot JOJO’s. I believe it was in part 5 at the time.

[@omnibuscollector]

@@sonofglory7029 they’re series of all kinds. Comedy, action, romance, et cetera. And giving one line for each of them would require the video to be hours long as there are multiple hundreds of cancelled series.

[@Amra..]

If the manga gets cancelled, Shonen Jump should give the rights of the series back to the artist. The artist being able to go indie and keep going with a niche audience would be great for them

[@fish-zb4tg]

Smart

[@Leblunk]

it's really hard to go indie without a proper publisher especially if you want your manga to be viewed by a bigger audience. but i 100% agree

[@diandre2530]

No. Because they sign contracts. They can't just give all the rights over, its gonna be a big legal mess. Even then the artist already shares the rights with jump so its not like they don't have any

[@askiia8713]

Yeah it's so sad seeing so many recent manga entries getting axed even though I can see SO much potential on them, sure they might not be the next one piece or Kinetsu no Yaiba but at least let them continue their stories in some way shape or form...it's just really sad and disappointing because I really do see something there.

[@GE0attack]

It's Japan man and it's not fantasy world

[@pkkingcrimsonrequiem1332]

The third Editor in Chief of Jump, Shigeo Nishimura, was said to have a policy that said "if it's not popular in 10 chapters, cut it." So if anything, they're much more lenient nowdays.

[@rossman8919]

i heard from a podcast that they dont finish collecting the sales or ratings info until after issue 8 or something like that cant remember of the top of my head so they got time a good amount of time to prove themselves

[@pkkingcrimsonrequiem1332]

@@rossman8919 You might be thinking of how the Table of Contents position starts to truly show after 8 or 9 chapters. In terms of results they get their data the week the chapter comes out.

[@lehwSwBp]

Yeah now they get to be in the u19 club

[@miguelrueda1291]

Makes sense for a ten chapter policy because assuming that at minimum each of those ten chapter hold 20 page that 200 pages. Which is more than enough for a short story or at the very least the opener/hook for a story that the mangaka is trying to tell.

[@pandaman2234]

Most series that end at 19 chapters are actually canceled at around 10 to 13. Jump authors are generally 3 weeks ahead of the magazine, and are told of a series calculation normally 4 to 6 weeks prior. So if a series ends at chapter 19, there's a good chance the author was informed around the publication of chapter 10 or 11.

[@TenebraeXVII]

It's not that a horrendously high number of series is being cancelled, we're just seeing all of it happen a lot more and in real time because we get to see faster translations including official ones immediately rather than just never hearing about most of the series that get canned in infancy.

[@kennethrodriguez2286]

This is the comment. In the past, scanlations could be months (or in extreme cases, years) behind the original release. But now that we get all Jump manga and not just the ones that are popular, people are getting freaked out

[@6dm978]

Yeah, it’s amazing to see how people these days are acting like jump is suddenly a cancelation demon, not knowing how lenient they’ve become

[@TheoMcAllister]

It hurt when Red Hood was cancelled, but I really hope to see more of the author. Their art style was so amazing.

[@connergalles7106]

Thought they said they are still continuing it but they probably wont

[@KAPUTtherapy]

i want my buff waifus back

[@zynergx6973]

@@KAPUTtherapy Same, Debonair and Grimm 😫

[@luthfeeghazale6206]

The author used to work as Kohei Horikoshi (mha author)'s assistant..i can see some mha artstyle influence there

[@emmaolivera3018]

No 😞😢

[@vanillatwilight5291]

I know that Red Hood story and characters isn't the best, but man seeing fantasy manga with western-folklore setting and unique art style like that are very rare nowadays. I genuinely sad that RH got canceled. I really hope the author doesn't give up on fantasy manga. I think his biggest selling point is how well he presents fantasy concept with cool artstyle and unique design.....smhh

[@willadkins1354]

I would say the folklore inspired setting would be interesting if it didn’t devolve into manga cliches.

[@bosentica]

I hate they cancelled Red Hood! I was expecting so much of it!

[@erikw3128]

I saw some of the art of it and i was going to start reading it soon lol :(

[@99smartguy]

I know man! I was really excited to see where the series would go after the Hunter Exam.

[@charleszamora887]

I wanted some slice of life moments with velou and Grimm, just eating together in the forest having a nice convo🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 this series could’ve been sooooo long….. it’s so frustrating seeing it get canceled.

[@zynergx6973]

Bruh I was sooooooo heated when I found out. So much potential, thrown out to the curb 😤

[@sakesithole6295]

It just wasn't doing right

[@Shootingfoul]

The thing unfortunate is, many of these series that got cancelled are actually not "bad", some are "decent"(of course, not good enough to Shonen Jump's standards. But after getting stopped by Shonen Jump, the series didn't go into making it as their stand alone manga that is simply not on Jump. This I think is very unfortunate. Many of those mangas I would like to see continue.

[@jimjimson6208]

As someone who reads lot of webcomics I agree that these series are far from "bad" (I have seen plenty of bad comics lol), they just aren't outstanding either. I agree that it would be cool if they could continue as an independent manga or something but from a business perspective I can kinda see why they don't want that. I also imagine that a lot of authors would want to continue trying to get a publication with a different series rather than continue working on a less financially appealing indie comic, although I obviously don't speak for everyone. Definitely an interesting discussion though, because for a lot of these series there is nothing glaringly 'wrong' with them, they just don't stand out enough and it's a shame to see them disappear.

[@qiang2884]

Half of the old manga are already shit tier after being forced to rewrite and stretch the story, instead shonen editors decides to keep killing new works with potential by forcing their overused shonen formula on original ideas. There is no Jump standard, just old ideas rotting with time.

[@jimjimson6208]

@@qiang2884 While I agree some works get worse over time, I really don't think most of the cancelled works are particularly unique; in fact, I would say it was the opposite for many. And that is almost certainly not why they are being cancelled, even if it was the case. I'm fairly certain all the editorial staff cares about is whether or not it is popular, not whether it is unique or generic. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by 'shonen formula', but yes, that is their target demographic, so it would sense to serialise series which appeal to it.

[@sirmel11]

I honestly think they just need more time or an anime. I heard Demon Slayer wasn't very popular until it got an anime.

[@huyvouc9785]

@@sirmel11 Actually, Demon Slayer sold pretty well even before it received the anime adaptation. The shounen anime that we usually see nowadays are adapted from the ones that sold well

[@Kaimax61]

YES, I'm glad we have the same train of thought. it's because Shonen Plus app exists now. -BEFORE Shonen plus We all only read what the english publishers licensed, which most of the time is already a success train. Even scanlators won't bother scanlating EVERY manga that's currently in the magazine. -NOW AFTER Shonen plus We got ALL manga in the magazine translated for us. ALL, including one shots and limited runs. So now we experience what the Japanese reader feels when they are reading Shonen Jump. Getting invested into new Series, to suddenly getting the news it was getting the axe. Also, while yes statistically, One Piece was more likely to get axed, but IMO I don't think it's in any trouble of getting the axe. By Chapter 10, it's vs Buggy with Luffy, Zoro, and Nami pulling the weight. By Chapter 20 vs Buggy is resolved. IMO, the recently cancelled series has similar issue. They are mostly too slow to get to the real action or plot. Kowloon ball parade : NEVER did a proper baseball game until the later chapters, spent way too much time recruiting. Candy Flurry : PLOT where, spent too long on trying to join the organization Red Hood : Spent too long on the hunter exam Neru : There was never a real fight until the later chapter.

[@pattongilbert]

Absolutely 100% agree with your comment. It’s just that we’re in a different environment now that we used to be. I totally agree with this reasons for cancellation for the series too. Those are the EXACT reasons they were cancelled. They just had fatal flaws that ruined them and made it so they couldn’t succeed.

[@skyzaid263]

This is exactly what I’ve been telling people. Series aren’t cancelled for no reason (some cases are a little baffling but that’s rare). If a series is axed they almost always have some type of major flaw. Even series that I really liked such as Hard Boiled Cop and Dolphin (it had no hook until around chapter 10) and Mitama Security (the start was just terrible honestly)

[@madmouse4400]

They are slow , I reread Naruto and Bleach and they already hit at chapter 10, while nowadays , it's normally a hit before chapter 10 , then it's calm for the rest of the series . This first due that Naruto and Bleach started without 100% plan and the authors was dedicated to put everything they have in their series without any regrets if they get cancelled ; while nowadays authors want to plan 100% of their work , using foreshadowing and other storytelling tools and finishing their series like 3-5 years after starting it , then making another series, etc.

[@callmejacob33]

basicly low attention span of the viewers shows its effects

[@rizalisnanto]

*manga plus

[@Nemo37K]

As someone who was absoltuely devastated by the death of Time paradox Ghost Writer and Zipman, I think it's important to consider that, at base, WSJ is catering specifically to Japanese Audiences and the West continues largely to be an afterthought in their calculus as to what should stay or go. People HATED TPGW in Japan because of the main character's plagiarism and it ate shit immediately. I tend to think you can tell when series are not long for this world because there is a certain it factor that's missing. Most of the series that have been cancelled in the last 3 years I found unengaging, hard to follow, or just kinda flat; even ones I enjoyed. There tend to be some self-evident failings which hamstring the series. But I also think given the limited number of slots in the magazine - and a bevy of staples that Jump has kept running recently I think just over Half of the magazine has series in excess of 60 chapters which I haven't seen in my time reading - the burden to be good at the start is increasingly on the newbies who, as you point out, areas statistically less likely to survive. I don't envy Jump having to balance out giving opportunities to new writers, catering to long terms staple series, finding a good genre balance, and maintaining circulation which evidently decreased to 1.4 million this year in paper copies, not to mention reusing well known mangaka who pull numbers. Interseting video, and interesting perspective. All th best

[@SMA2343]

Exactly. Shonen Jump only has 3 things important to them; Japanese audience, Japanese readers and Japanese buyers. They could care less about some random person in the UK who is a die hard fan of Hard Boiled Cop and Dolphin, they care about their one country and audience first and if Japanese audiences HATE Red hood or Samurai 8 and rate it low they will cancel it.

[@6dm978]

Well yeah, the western audience never pays for sh*t anyways lol

[@MPerMinute]

Haha, from reading Bakuman I thought high turnover/cancellation was standard. Thanks for giving me the data to organize those feelings. Great video!

[@orangeman3220]

Bakuman really showed me the ropes of the industry so I was admittedly surprised and vindicated when I first saw a series cancellation first hand

[@Anindyatejo]

it's dramatization. Of course for making tensions, they dramatized it otherwise it will be boring

[@stefanobras1616]

For me it wasn't like "they're cancelling too many titles recently" but more like "they're cancelling the wrong shows".

[@MebiManga]

Totally agree!

[@sakesithole6295]

It's survival at the fittest if you ain't bring money in then you ain't worth our time

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

The thing is calling it the wrong shows is very relative. Titles need to fight for a spot on stay in Shonen Jump. These cancellations isn't new.

[@nerobiblios4086]

That's an extremely subjective viewpoint there. Who exactly decides what the right or wrong mangas? It's always biased when it comes to readers preference. So the only way to decide is objective metrics.

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

@@nerobiblios4086 true.. That is why even do it's kinda sad most of the time the company as a business tend to view the situation on a business perspective by looking at ratings and sales of a title. Shonen Jumps been doing that like since forever. Every release even have a voting sheet on which fans can vote for their favorites and low ratings can always mean cancellation.

[@RoMorais]

I always thought that not letting the author finish the manga when they wanted was way worse. Cancelling is always sad, but not as bad as seeing something you really like gradually getting worse every chapter

[@sirmel11]

Or cancelling really long series. It makes no sense.

[@luthfeeghazale6206]

@@sirmel11 yeah like Beelzebub and Psyren...i was enjoying those two series so hard😭😭😭

[@Mackerachi]

I was really into The Hunter's Guild:Red Hood, but there was an absolute wrench in the storyline when you could tell they were told to wrap it up. I was upset.

[@Ebon_Sean]

Yeah, that absolute deluge of a lore dump outta almost nowhere gave it away.

[@schuylerschmadtke1250]

Going into a generic training/ exam arc after the very unique intro was already a bad sign tbh

[@kennethrodriguez2286]

@@schuylerschmadtke1250 Yep, the training/exam lasted for far too long and it wasn’t really interesting. Compared to HxH, not only were the tests unique and interesting, but the characters involved were interesting too

[@macle985]

If it's not doing well and not bringing in revenue it gets canceled and they give a new series a chance, simple. The creators know what they're signing up for

[@Kaimax61]

Yeah just look at Shonen Sunday, You're safe once you're in there, but at the flipside, "What new Series?" lol Old timers stay there for YEARS, it's harder to get in with the limited spot in a magazine.

[@lonedruid7181]

And it works well for the magazine. WSJ never lacks in producing big hits.

[@jordangreene8125]

Not true Phanton seer was doing well

[@skyzaid263]

@@jordangreene8125 No it wasn't. Granted it wasn't doing badly either. It was doing decent (Battle manga are expected to sell more). It was most likely cancelled cause it hardly grew in popularity, it was popular enough to survive the first threat of axe but didn't do enough to survive the second threat

[@tster]

Brings in revenue?? Do people really drop off a multiple story magazine for one lackluster story?

[@matteoar]

I feel like with the app going pretty strong they should let the series being "canceled" keep going if the author wants to, but the chapters will be published only on the app and not on the magazine, with the chance of Tankōbon publication if the series has enough following on the app.

[@6dm978]

Putting something on the app means it represents the company and is the company’s property. This means they’re gonna have to keep editing, paying the author, and in general spending a lot of money on something that won’t give them much return. Continuing to put stuff online is really not that much different from continuing the serialization in full. Unless they specifically make a “cancelled serializations” section and just don’t pay the author, letting them do whatever they want

[@aurora7554]

This is impossible, every manga requires an editor, and every mangaka has their own assistants to pay for. A waste of money and human resources if you want to keep cancelled series going.

[@matteoar]

Both your points stand strong, and are quite true. I'd say that putting it online IS different, though: the reason why Jump has a limited amount of series at a time is due to the magazine's pages. Without it, there's little reason to prevent it due to "page limits". On another note, it's true that the editor is required. They could, though, get inspired by how other comics apps do things (I'm thinking of webtoons) and allow them to just make the series as they like without the supervision of an editor, but it would be on a dedicated section of the app. I just feel like it's a waste of potential for many series that could have been great but they're tied to the liking of a relatively small amount of Japanese readers.

[@MegaZsword]

Nothing hurts more than the cancellation of Phantom Seer and Agravity boys! I know agravity boys had a good-ish run but the comedy in the series was great, I would laugh constantly when reading the new chapters. If a comedy series had to end it would have been more fitting if it was either “Me & Roboco” or “Highschool Family” 😭 Phantom Seer felt consistent in its character, story beats and power system! It also had an amazing horror esque vibe to go along with it that felt a little reminiscent of junji ito. I was honestly confused when they both got canceled 😔

[@MPerMinute]

The monster designs in Phantom Seer were beautiful. I enjoyed it too. I can see why it was cancelled though, Jump was a little full of horror/battle manga at the time.

[@moreplz]

Yeah phantom seer felt very reminiscent of chainsawman and jujutsu kaisen. To the point for me, I kind of just assumed the mechanics of phantom seer worked like jujutsu kaisen.

[@legendredux1291]

Agravity boys....

[@satanus_369]

Phantom Seer got cancelled because JJK and Chainsaw Man are of a very similar vibe. If it had come out before JJK, I think their places would be switched and JJK would've ended up being cancelled instead

[@datemasamune2904]

Oh wow, I actually didn’t realize Agravity Boys was cancelled. Granted I wasn’t interested in it, but I didn’t even notice it cancelled.

[@davidlyford-tilley1598]

Really interesting video. An important aspect to remember is that while Jump cancels a lot of series, that also means it gives a lot of shots to new series. The high churn gives them a lot of opportunities to try things out. It's not always the easiest if you're a fan of a less successful niche series, but if they were shy about cancelling many of those series would never get a slot in a magazine full of long running series. Also, any chance you could share the data you collected? I'd love to take a look at it.

[@Goomyx1492]

Yep, this is a really good point!

[@chrisfabian711]

Thanks for doing the leg work for the community. Great work! Curious to see how many creators actually do stick around to get another series vs them getting axed and leaving the magazine

[@whitecoffee05]

After reading Bakuman when it released. Taught me how rough and fast a manga can get cancelled

[@TheManFromWaco]

7:45 This graph made me think of scene from series "Bakuman" where our main characters (who are mangaka working for Shonen Jump) are given an award by their publisher for one of their series completing a full year in the magazine. I never thought that was an "easy" feat, but holy cow I didn't realize it was THAT difficult.

[@viniciusjdasilva8555]

Ur content lately has been amazing man keep up the good work. For me the one that hurt the most ever was Hungry Joker . I also was enjoying build king and Candy Flurry a lot

[@luthfeeghazale6206]

Yeah, lucky that the author of Hungry Joker would start Black Clover and finally gaining the success he wanted becuz that was also a great series

[@jonlymon]

Honestly, this makes a lot of sense. I used to pirate manga a lot, and the amount of manga that ended simply at the 20 chapter area was surprising. And additionally, if the bottom of the barrel manga is getting better, who knows how good future series will be.

[@ThatLightNovelGuy]

I feel that most of the series that get cancelled you kinda can see coming when do get cancelled. I find if the main character doesn't really stand out in a crowd then it ends up getting cancelled early on. Look at Luffy, Yugi, Senku, Naruto, Deku, Asta, Mashle or Ichigo. Each of these characters look pretty unique. Compare that to the main characters of Phantom Seer or Our Blood Oath with characters that kinda don't stand out in a crowd visually and you already have an uphill battle. Jump right now feels like they're just throwing grim edgy monster fighting manga at us to try and get us a new Demon Slayer. And I don't know, it's just not working anymore. Sure we got Chainsawman and JJK but I feel we've had so many other not so great ones along the way. For me I loved Red Hood, but from day one I always felt that it focused on the wrong main character. Should have always been about Grimm because Velou just wasn't an interesting protagonist. Glad to see someone else enjoyed Hard Boiled Cop tho. Really enjoyed that one (although the latter half not as much)

[@rafaelcalmon2858]

I don't know, I see as many manga with popping characters get axed. And also manga with pretty average looking MCs lasting for a long time (Shokugeki no Souma, Bakuman, World Trigger...). I feel there are far more elements to a series getting cancelled. ESPECIALLY, because the main factor in cancellation is the reader's survey. So it's more about who the japanese reader's 3 top picks are, since they can only vote for 3 series every week.

[@FirmlyGrasp_IT]

@@rafaelcalmon2858 Well we don't work over at Shueisha, so it's impossible to know for certain, but I would wager that volume sales and reader surveys are about equal in importance when it comes to cancellations. They go hand in hand and are what makes up the TOC.

[@artorhen]

I think it's debatable wether some of those protagonists do stand out from a crowd, and there are some series that got cancelled that as well might be debatable in terms of it's high potential.

[@vijaz5559]

@@rafaelcalmon2858 people you mention dose stands out to me. So your point is debatable

[@Mamoreno0215]

RIP Nine Dragon Ball Parade, it was the first ever sports manga I had ever started to like and I thought it would've been a great anime...😔 although, I do really like Mashle and Sakamoto Days so I'm glad those survived

[@Kaimax61]

They spent too much time recruiting a team. . Like there's only the manager, a pitcher and a catcher. And they spent way too long for 1 character, which is Taka. By Tsubaki's turn we got a "mock training" match, but that's just not enough. Then they rushed the recruiting, when they haven't even shown Hakuoh at all. (I also like Nine dragon ball parade, it's just I know why it failed) Eyeshield 21 did a better job of building a team from zero. They didn't spent chapters to recruit one character. They just added Everyone that's available from Hiruma's blackmail book. Sena's Bullies the 3 Hey brothers, and 3 other club members to quickly build a team and do proper matches. Then after a few time, they started to develop these characters. Like the Bullies became strong Linemens and became important players in the team.

[@MPerMinute]

@@Kaimax61Eyesheild 21 was great. Seconding this recommendation.

[@nidohime6233]

Sorry but why it had to be called "Nine Dragon Ball Parade"? Wouldn´t that title sugest is a DragonBall special? No wonder if it got canceled if it had a "problematic" name.

[@Mamoreno0215]

@@nidohime6233 I don't know except for the fact that It was a baseball manga so that explain's the "ball" part of the name

[@Kaimax61]

@@nidohime6233 it didn't get in trouble because of the name, remember you're reading the localized title. it's actual Title is "Kowloon's Ball Parade" What's a Kowloon? it's means 9 dragons.

[@sethman4095]

After a year of reading Jump, and it still wounds me every time a series I like gets canned. Guardian of the Witch, Time Paradox Ghost Writer, Candy Flurry, and Phantom Seer being the four that hurt the most.

[@jimjimson6208]

Guardian of the Witch I feel was "OK", I can't remember the exact plot since it has been a while but I remember feeling like it kind of lacked direction in how it was getting to its end goal. TPG had a banging first chapter but IMO it chose to focus on the complete wrong aspect of the story (him making manga) rather than the actual mystery of why his microwave turned into a time machine and who was on the other end. It also never really felt like there was much tension IMO although I guess that is subjective. It felt to me like an interesting time travel mystery that just turned into discount Bakuman for some reason. I also really like Phantom Seer, especially the art! Candy Flurry was on my reading list, I only read the first couple of chapters and told myself I would come back and read it later when I was less busy with work, sucks to hear it got cancelled :(

[@sethman4095]

@@jimjimson6208 Guardian of the Witch wasn't the greatest thing ever, but I loved the designs, and thought the fights were cool. They reminded me of Xenoblade Chronicles 2, where one character has the power and the other wields it. Time Paradox Ghost Writer only had 18 chapters, they were probably going to get into why he suddenly had a time machine, but cut it out because they would rather give the characters a satisfying ending instead of explaining how the world works. Same, when you see the mouth of the girl open and those arms come out, it gave me shivers with how great it was. Another special moment was Yayoi and Iori's combo move. Yeah, it had a strong start but after like chapter 10 it felt the brunt of being forced to end early. I kept telling myself that having a big fight in 13 chapters was to make later fights even bigger, but I was only fooling myself.

[@jimjimson6208]

@@sethman4095 Agree on the designs being sick in Guardian of the Witch, and the power system and fights were pretty interesting now that you remind me what they were lol. I hope the author keeps improving and makes another series because I feel like Guardian of Witch could have been great with a little more refinement. For TPG you are probably right, I am just mad that they (if I recall correctly) hit us up with the "I don't have time to explain" when he actually got to communicate with the person in the future during the ending. I would have preferred closure on the mystery than the characters but that is just my personal preference lol

[@yakko789]

This was such an informative video! Thanks for backing up your claims with actual data. I was thinking that WSJ was canceling things way too frequently cause this year I've decided to be up to date on all their manga, and they recently canceled Candy Flurry, Red Hood, and Neru, however your analysis of the numbers makes sense of why this happens. It's something frequent, and if anything (like you showed in your video) WSJ seems to be giving new manga a bit more of a fighting chance with the average chapter length being 19ish in lieu of the 13ish average from a couple decades back. It's also refreshing to read new stories like Ayashimon which just debuted, or like staying up to date with Sakamoto Days, Elusive Samurai, and Blue Box to see how the stories develop. I like that it's cutthroat! I'm curious to hear what you think of all the new series since your last vid about it, Blue Box, Candy Flurry, Red Hood, Neru, PPPPPP, and Ayashimon. I think a couple other series are debuting soon, so hopefully we can get another video where you talk about new series lol

[@jimjimson6208]

Yeah, as someone who has been reading for a good number of years now, I never really thought that they were cancelling "too many" series, sometimes I wonder if they are cancelling the right ones though :^). Ayashimon looks really sick in terms of art!!! It's kinda too early to comment on the plot IMO but it seems interesting at first glance and I would definitely like to see a video on it in a month or two maybe.

[@alvesraphsrevenge6616]

THANK YOU Riley for bringing up the exposure bias. I definitely thought that Viz and Mangaplus making everything available globally as a simulpub makes people think Shueisha is getting trigger-happy. Definitely wish newer mangaka especially had more time to establish themselves, but when the numbers don't speak in their favor, I can only wish them success in the future, maybe going back to the drawing board with a fresh, inventive concept

[@Kaimax61]

but ironically, according to his research they do have more time in comparison. the average is now around 19 chapters. in some other established series. One Piece, They'd just beat Buggy Eyeshield21, Deimon just lost to Oujo White Knights. HxH, currently in the Hunter exam vs prisoners waging hours. BLEACH, Ichigo's mom story Naruto, the start of the Zabuza and Haku arc

[@alvesraphsrevenge6616]

@@Kaimax61 I feel you there. Which I guess speaks to the overall standards of quality the magazine is held to in current day, after decades of talent searching and weeding out series with lower reader retention.

[@JoshQwerty]

The quality cap has defitnely raised for sure. If you’re not popping out the next demon slayer, jump will cut you out! Hopefully these next coming series will do well

[@shotto-art]

As someone who wants to be a mangaka in the future, this video was INSANELY insightful. But I just wanted to ask whether you can do a video as to why you think these series get cancelled? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, cuz I have no idea why

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

Simple answers... Shonen Jump has this quota. If a a manga can't hit a certain target.. Auto cancel.

[@milesdarobot4980]

Readers fill out a survey every week where they vote for what series they want to last

[@jutton11]

Like a few other people have said, Shonen Jump has reader surveys in each of their issues where readers rate which manga they think is the best. If a manga isn't well like its cancelled and replaced with something else.

[@Anindyatejo]

Read the manga "Bakuman" by Tsugumi Ohba and Takeshi Obata. It's kinda semi-autobiography of those two mangakas. It also told the behind-the-scenes and inner-workings in the Weekly Shonen JUMP (competition and friendship relation between mangakas, policy and decisions made by editors and board of editors, sales, how to make a lasting series, how not to get cancelled, how to get into Shonen JUMP, etc). It's fictionalization of the Shonen JUMP mangakas.

[@popo237]

Haha. If you want to be a mangaka go read Felipe Smith's Peepo Cho and watch the interview he did with cartoonist's kayfabe on youtube. I bet you ain't even ready to draw 10 pages a week

[@FranzoOnLine]

The average manga reader started reading the cancelled Jump series when the two big scanlation groups, Mangastream and (to a lesser degree) Jaiminisbox, closed down and stopped translating Jump series, respectively. Before then, most people's exposure to Jump series was basically whatever these two groups liked and translated, and as far as I can remember they didn't translate every single series, only the ones they happened to like (mangastream was like that, at least. I didn't follow JB until shortly before they closed down too). Few people cared about Jump's whole catalogue, they just wanted to read Naruto or Bleach or One Piece and they got the series from mangastream and maybe picked up some less popular but still going strong series like Assassination Classroom because it happened to be where they read manga. However, now that the go-to places for reading the popular Jump series have the whole magazine instead of just a select few titles, people are actually reading these series that get cancelled, and noticing that they're getting cancelled. Like you said in your video, the impression that Jump is killing more series than usual is just a byproduct of us actually noticing unsuccessful series only in the last couple years.

[@SupaYoshiXP]

Great research. I just hope that they never cancel BLUE BOX I’ve been reading it since it started back early this year I love it so much it’s my favorite story I’m reading ATM

[@aketsuuu]

Blue Box Volume 1 sold well, so it's gonna be okay.

[@SupaYoshiXP]

@@aketsuuu thank goodness 😂😂

[@Kaimax61]

@@SupaYoshiXP And it's the only pure Romance + manga in the book, so the axe priority isn't super high. So, Blue Box isn't competing with anyone in the same genre.

[@SupaYoshiXP]

@@Kaimax61 yeah that’s lucky huh

[@Kaimax61]

@@SupaYoshiXP the Closest is Witch Watch, but that's more Comedy based than romance, and it creeps into shonen battles once in a while.

[@polyheartmony]

Thank you!!! It is a very different experience if you're just reading series through the app, versus if you're reading it in the context of the magazine. I get a physical copy of the magazine very week, and it's very clear over time that there are certain genres that they're trying to have represented, in order to court a wide audience. (Romance, horror, comedy, and sports are just as important as the usual battle manga we're used to in the states.) So when I see Red Hood or Phantom Seer get cancelled, even if it's sad, I get it. The fight to be the next big battle manga is WAY more intense than the fight to be the next big, say, sports manga. In 2021, the biggest sports contenders were Nine Dragons' Ball Parade and Blue Box, and that was pretty much it. (Blue Box handily won that battle.)

[@gamefaq]

This was one of my favorite videos from you in recent months! I love it when people actually back up their claims with data rather than just say things with no evidence.

[@Demongunner7]

I mean... Shonen Jump IS the world's #1 manga magazine, it would make sense its editors have to be very stringent and selective of what continues in its pages and what gets the ax. WSJ NEEDS series that can go the distance like Naruto or One Piece... cause the series it currently has can only last so long. Heck, I love UndeadXUnluck and it hasn't even hit the 100 mark and you can see the final climax looming in the distance. It's the burden of being #1; you have to keep churning out stellar content because if you let anything that's just good stick around... that means one less spot for a series that could have been the next One Piece not getting serialized OR WORSE getting serialized by a competing magazine like Monthly Shonen Jump or Shonen Sunday.

[@vicentejavier8855]

"that means one less spot for a series that could have been the next One Piece" One piece has a lot of world building and character development, it was not that great at the beggining. They are editors, a LOT of editors, when the new series are in disscusion before they got serialize you can see new gems that can be good enough and what are good and need TIME to be a big name in the magazine. Its really sad read some new works and they got axed bcs they cant competed with one of the longest and atractive manga of all time. You cant compete with One piece in 10 episodes, and if you can maybe they can do a better job and see that coming before serialize the new manga.

[@pandaman2234]

@@vicentejavier8855 One Piece was ranking at the top of popularity polls in Jump form within the first few chapters, and it was one of Jumps higher selling series within a couple volumes. One Piece was an immediate hit series.

[@Goro_Maj1ma]

@@pandaman2234 where's your source on this? Or are you just spouting BS?

[@Kaimax61]

@@Goro_Maj1ma the fucking magazine itself and sale figures that's open to public.

[@aurora7554]

@@Goro_Maj1ma The fastest way is to check for WSJ magazine covers. One Piece debuted in 1997 Issue 34, by Issue 46 it already had a second cover, was an immediate hit by chapter 12, soon followed by another cover in Issue 50. In it's second year, it already had a total of 5 covers. It was the first in the magazine to achieve a feat like this.

[@herecomedatboi9646]

Bro you managed to collect all of banana fish, I'm jealous. I'm missing 13, 14 and 16, they're out of stock everywhere.

[@omnibuscollector]

Every volume was in print and readily available several years back when I bought the whole series

[@herecomedatboi9646]

@@omnibuscollector thats awesome. I was too broke when they were easy to get 😭 good for you bro

[@pabloantoniosantiago9317]

I'd like to thank you for doing the research, making the graphs, editing in the cover for the volumes you were mentioning and sharing the information. Your content gets better and better with every video. This information opened my eyes. I won't lie, I got a little I sad when I learned that both Neru and RedHood were about to be cancelled. At the time I thought it was rare for series to get canceled. Now, thanks to you, I'll try to not get too attached to new series so I don't end up hitting the wall of sadness so hard when (new series) gets cancelled lol

[@spaghettimon3851]

That last panel of the hunters guild was so soul crushing seeing that pen stroking a line in paper saying "A story that doesn't entertain is abandoned. Once abandoned our world will disappear."

[@daltonstrang9442]

The Shonen Jump magazines belief is that if you’re not growing you’re dying. If one piece was as popular as it is and ranked last they’d cancel it just to see if they could do better. This is why they are so successful but it’s also a shame. Red hood and Neru would’ve succeeded if not thrived in other magazines. Some artists need to stop beating themselves up for not making it in jump and maybe give up on it too. It’s not worth it for some creators. Some of you might be old enough to remember how unbelievably stacked the lineup of jump in the 2000s was and how any new series struggled against the 10+ concurrent juggernaut series at any time. Series that would dominate Jump in 2021 were cancelled after a few chapters. My major issue comes down to jump Not allowing these series to continue with new life. There is no moral argument for this.

[@remus4283]

I would agree with them allowing the series to continue elsewhere, but then you have to consider that SJ did all the heavy lifting bringing your manga to your target audience. You'd be leaving with a fanbase that they cultivated for you which isn't an equal exchange. They marketed your work AND paid you while making a loss on the investment.

[@DragonTrainer201]

@@remus4283 Then maybe give the Mangaka the opportunity to buy back all the rights to their manga. SJ would then at least be able to recoup some of their losses.

[@MebiManga]

@@remus4283 But then that would be what SJ signed up for in the first place, no? They saw the potential of the series and pushed for a serialisation. The author work with an editor from SJ put in effort to make the best chapters they can possibly do, but it just doesn't hit the popularity that SJ wants, so SJ comes in and cancel the series. All the more it fees like shit when they are the one who doesn't let the mangaka carry on the series somewhere else.

[@remus4283]

@@MebiManga You could make the same argument against the mangak tbh

[@remus4283]

@@DragonTrainer201 This would be the most reasonable approach. If the mangaka is able to find success elsewhere they'd reimburse SJ with a small interest. That is what I'd call ethical and fair business

[@freddyaxebear7547]

It hurt to see Red Hood get cut, I really liked the idea. From what I heard it was popular in the West but not in Japan hence why it got cancelled.

[@karimnosaijo]

Very good job with this vid! Must have been hard with all those datas, thank you for this video

[@fawfulmark2]

From an old chart I saw awhile back, the lowest rank One Piece ever was in Jump Magazine was 10th Place in some chapter around the Captain Morgan arc. After that point the lowest the series had ever dropped to was 7th in some weeks, and on overall average always managed to rank in the Top 4. Not sure why so many act like One Piece would be easily axed these days-and I honestly don't think most of us here are the best kudges of such a thing since One Piece is far more impactful locally in Japan than over in the States anyway.

[@j-sse]

still mad that neru ended.. I was actually enjoying it alot

[@raspberrysloth9558]

Saaaaaaaaaammmmmme RIP neru

[@gappy6964]

Ugh it hurts still

[@10nepiece]

Hey great video as always. It's a love hate relationship I find. Part of me wants to see these works flourish into a full fledged story () but I'm also not a specialist and don't know the behind the scenes. It's just a shame because series like samurai 8 felt like it was being set up to be another long running series . Either way it's just great to have access to all of it on legitimate sites

[@sofarsogood8680]

Man, Phantom Seer is one of underrated and very potential manga to be success. Too badly, it got cancelled. Its character designs are great. Its power and world exposition are well thought and easy to understand. I opened Manga Plus apps just to read a few mangas and Phantom Seer one of manga that I've been waiting for on every weekend. I knew its rating is bad , but lots of other manga in shonen jump are not interesting either in terms of designs and story. I still remember , one of big 3 , bleach turned down by jump . But in the end, it became one of the most popular manga . Cause it has potential.

[@DieJG]

I can understand it. I loved Neru's art for example, but after some chapters i wasn't feeling it. There were many new characters that felt flat and then it became very forced. I hope the author works on another manga because it was awesome.

[@miketonelli3000]

More people are reading manga and are able to catch up and stay current week to week so now you have more eyes on it so it seems to new readers that more is getting canceled but there just unaware of how it has been. This video was great.

[@gappy6964]

(༎ຶ ෴ ༎ຶ) Phantom Seer and Neru hit the hardest for me... I loved them so much!!!

[@jimjimson6208]

Both had stellar art! I really liked Neru especially and I'm sad because currently SJ doesn't really have a martial arts story.

[@TheSetsky]

Just a little reminder to say that Time Paradox ghost writer and UBS (Ultra Battle Satellite) where great series that deserved to continue a little longer.

[@pandaman2234]

I thought I was the only UBS fan on earth lol

[@TheSetsky]

@@pandaman2234 Well, now you know we're two at least X) I loved UBS back in 2015, i though that it was one of the most original concept for a Jump manga. Too bad that it wasn't popular.

[@faderev4382]

Honestly you said it perfectly. If you ever do read the manga Bakuman (a manga about manga making) they actually explain this pretty well too! Cheers!

[@omnibuscollector]

I read it as it was being published in WSJ

[@faderev4382]

@@omnibuscollector I’m currently up to chapter 70 and I think it does a good job of showing the behind the scenes almost (with some probably slight exaggeration)

[@haleymotorsport]

this says a lot about the manga industry specifically shonen jump, and the fact that jump + series have been killing it lately. the old format is harsh which leads to a bunch of series that had potential and probably wouldve been great get canceled :/

[@carrit10TV]

Jump + has like 40 series, a lot of them sell so little so we get only get to see the top. A lot of them get cancelled as well

[@pkkingcrimsonrequiem1332]

Jump+ axes series too you know. It's the same exact situation as he's describing because not all the series in Plus are translated, the ones that are, usually are the successes and not the failures.

[@madmouse4400]

I've only have read like 5/6 series from jump+, and I know that jump+ cancel too , because earlier this year (about april) I started reading a manga about a non Japanese Dragon girl who'd spend the next year in japan with a nerdy boy learning Japanese culture and in exchange will also teaches them about the culture of her fictional country (I watched randomly a KZbin video of the Shonen jump channel and searched for scanlation), but got cancelled at its 11th issue, I got really sad , it was so cute .

[@bendrake4628]

i love the content and as someone who has been reading manga for almost 20 years this is not really new information, but like you said it is something we knew but we didn't know the actual data. Butt know this, i think the comment that One Piece would not make it past a year if it started now may be true the more i think about it. in the last couple years i have been feeling that WSJ series are become less traditional shonan in the sense that many of the series are getting darker, and more violent. But this increased maturity is most likely due to the increase in the average age of those buying the magazine to continue reading longer series like one piece that they started when they were younger.

[@littlebee7147]

The reason for the shift is that they are chasing the trend and finding their own Attack on Titan. World Trigger was a kiddiefied answer to it, but that momentum was unfortunately halted. They did finally get what they wanted with Demon Slayer so hopefully they'll finally move on. I do think they're keeping their eyes out for something more light - Mashle somewhat shows this even though I don't care its humor. I think One Piece could survive simply because there would be a nostalgia factor like Toriko had. The problem is whether people would bite. When I think of the timing, OP was greenlit as a series of its era - early One Piece reminds me of a Toriyama shonen series so the magazine would risk it during those days, plus Dai no Daibouken ended so greenlighting a series with a fantasy world was logical.

[@rin55]

You have a very good point on exposure, it had not occured to me. We did not even know about the smaller series earlier, so we did not know that they got cancelled.

[@ASMRcomic]

While I understand the industry is super competitive and it makes sense from a business stand point to only give a series 20-30 chapters to get an audience, I can't help but feel like we're kinda missing out. The majority of series that get big on Jump are stories that have a great hook and fast pace, but also doesn't it kinda feel like a lot of creators fumble the ending? Maybe I'm totally off the mark, but I've always thought Jump's method favors creators that can come up with cool concepts over everything else. A lot of them then struggle once they need to start fleshing out their world and characters, and especially their endings. I mean, that's not true across the board of course, but I personally feel like a lot of Jump series have pretty shallow characters that never develop past one or two traits, especially the action and comedy series. I do think the pressure for every single chapter to be fast-paced and easily consumable plays into that. Shallow isn't always bad per se, but I do wish creators got more time so maybe we could get a few more series that built tension and atmosphere at the beginning instead of just rushing into the action every single time.

[@gappy6964]

Neru didn't even get to 20 chapters sadly

[@rafaelcalmon2858]

It's important to notice that many series get axed AFTER being out for many years. A lot of "fumbled" endings happen because they get axed. For example, Bleach, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Shaman King, Shokugeki no Souma (this one I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure it was axed). They weren't meant to be ending where they did. They ended because they were forced to. Basically, doesn't matter how long the manga has been out, if both their ranks and their volume sales drop and can't recover, they get dropped just like any other series.

[@gappy6964]

@@rafaelcalmon2858 yeah it hurts when that happens... You think it's safe from the axe, but it's never safe

[@vivvy_0]

Yes so true, what stories could we get if it weren't this way

[@TheManFromWaco]

From what little I know about the inner workings of the manga industry, there is also a reverse version of this problem where highly successful titles don't get to end properly BECAUSE they're selling so well. Higher ups don't like to end a cash-cow series, so those titles are forced to carry on long after the creator's original conclusion point was reached. Eventually, the "zombie franchise" title jumps the shark and gets unceremoniously cancelled. If that's true, then it's no wonder the "Final Boss Fight" of the series "Bakuman" was the characters trying to end their own in-universe manga when they wanted to.

[@DeBeOtaku]

Solid research dude!! Just goes to show nothing has changed all that much. Real shame about Phantom Seer and Red Hood. Like most here, I was enjoying. Great video as always!!!

[@vandreadsims01]

Idea: manga about a manga artist who gets his series canceled in less than a year. Not wanting all of the planning he had done to go to waste he changes his art style a little and writes a dojinshi continuation. The continuation gets popular and the magazine sends their copyright lawyers after him and he has to do everything in his power to avoid the lawyers for the sake of his creative vision. His best friend is an editor who was ousted from the industry for being too tough on rookies. Together they will make the greatest manga of all time!

[@jimjimson6208]

Alright, I'm sold. Start drawing ASAP please lol

[@yorforger9909]

You need to make this into a WSJ manga immediately lmao

[@NatsumenoKage]

If you can’t draw it wright it find an illustrator later.

[@Kaimax61]

Now think about what's next after that part. ^ this part is the hardest for any author. Your elevator pitch can only take you atleast 1 volume's worth.

[@Clout_Strife]

I think this is partially why I'm more interested in Shonen Jump+ series cause they give the creators more breathing room

[@CureGinga]

The thing is Jump Plus only has 3 series people care about (SpyFamily, Kaiju no8, Dandadan), nobody gives a shit about the other 11 series exclusive to Jump Plus. I see nobody talking about Tis time for torture princes or Hokkaido Gals

[@Clout_Strife]

@@CureGinga I kinda wasn't talking about popularity.

[@CureGinga]

@@Clout_Strife yeah but the point I was trying to make was "more breathing room≠quality"

[@sam1286]

Phantom seer getting cancelled hurt. I was really interested in where that one was gonna go

[@PhantomUma2]

I wonder if maybe there are more veterans in recent years? If there are that could be a factor to consider. Anyway great job on this video. You’ve got me very hopeful about Kento Matsuuras eventual success.

[@ilanishere]

Phantom Seer and then Red Hood; Hunters Guild, being axed has broken me 🤣🤣🤣

[@maxchaos44]

This is why a lot of manga have either gone through independent publishing(doujin works for the none stupid), to other publication companies(japan has more than 100 jump isn't the only one, try reading something other than shounen), webtoons or even just started posting things on their twitter and having a fanbox. Shounen jump's standards are still very high despite them loosening up a bit more through the years. It'll eventually bite them in the ass but right now they're a little too up in it to notice. I think instead of declaring manga as "dead", manga readers need to broaden their horizons on where to find manga rather than just looking at jump and their other sub publications. The industry is thriving and I find it extremely hypocritical that people are chewing shounen jump out for not having a wide selection of publicized works then ignore other publications, be it a company or indepdent unless it was a recent anime or the big new fad. Also, just a bit of an opinion, but just cause another manga had top spot for a year or two, doesn't mean its now more successful than one piece. 11 years as top and still rarely leaving the top 10 within the recent years, is not easy to beat and I'm not even a fan of OP.

[@iansantiago7545]

Many of these manga simply seemed to know what they wanted to do with their stories, but as they kept going it was more than clear that what they wanted was too ambitious for their skills. That's why I value the same authors coming back like Yuki Tabata. And many more.

[@daitairikka]

Red Hood was my first time experiencing a manga I enjoyed and read since Day One being cancelled and it definitely hurts a lot. It makes me worried to try other titles but I know now it can and will happen to almost any manga so I should prepare myself more now. But great video it's very informative on this kind of topic and really opened my eyes more on how this all works and has been done in the past

[@Ebon_Sean]

For me it was the third and worst time. After rooting for Kishimoto's Naruto spiritual successor Samurai 8 (it kind of had cancellation coming by the time the axe dropped) and Phantom Seer (the art was so good! So much potential! >.

[@Relco12]

red hood was trash, generic shonen friendship plotline at first, only thing enjoyable is the art style for the female characters

[@daitairikka]

@@Relco12 Okay lol. Other people like me enjoyed it. Don't have to downplay a series if you hate it

[@anthonynguyen1289]

@@daitairikka Don't know anything about the series since I haven't read it, but there had to be some issues otherwise it would have gained enough popularity to stay. Either it wasn't interesting within the first ten chapters (150-200 pages roughly), was too similar to other series, was generic, etc. I can understand people loving series, but there definitely has to be flaws if it doesn't survive. If it got overshadowed by other series in the same genre, that's because it didn't stick out in designs or in it's first chapter or two. It sucks, but this is how it has to be. I think if these mangakas did what many light novel writers did and start with a web series, and maybe refining it later when it gets enough followers to start it's official manga series.

[@Ebon_Sean]

@@anthonynguyen1289 It appealed to different cultural sensibilities. The west was responding to it well, but it needed to do well in Japan first, and in was bombing there.

[@mRboylls]

Very sad about these most recent series cancellations as I was really enjoying them. Makes it hard to enjoy some ones I love like elusive samurai and sakamoto days because it might be cancelled and my investment wasted again.

[@chrischen5048]

I was greatly pained by the cancellataion of Psyren. At least it got a satisfying ending.

[@jimjimson6208]

Psyren had a good run IMO. The ending felt a little rushed but not like an asspull IMO. I'm just glad to meet a fellow Psyren fan in the year of our lord 2021 LOL

[@TenebraeXVII]

To my knowledge, we never really got details about exactly what happened. It's entirely possible that something happened in the author's personal life right when the series was coming to a close and that necessitated condensing down the ending a bit to take care of business. I'm still holding out hope for an anime adaptation which could potentially see a slight tweak to bring the ending back in line with the original vision.

[@obscuracrimepodcast]

No, it's their canceling rate that has created the climate where a single manga can outsell the entirety of the US comic book market. It's harsh I know. But they've perfected this business model. Glad to see you understand this in your video.

[@fable2830]

No... That's just longevity and oda actually being a demi god

[@vincentflannigan2727]

@@fable2830 He was talking about Demon Slayer fool

[@doujinrocknroller]

Had the exact same train of thought, I appreciate all the research you did so that didn't have to do it myself

[@fums63]

Great video, lines up with what I found from the 90s/00s/10s. I think the biggest change Jump should make now is factor in the overseas market. I wouldn’t be surprised if Red Hood and Phantom Seer were significantly more popular outside of Japan, but we don’t have a chance to really give any input. I remember before Viz revamped the Jump app, they would give subscribers a weekly survey to rate series like the one in Japan. No idea if they really factored in our opinions, but it could be good to have something similar.

[@s3studios597]

Don't know about Phantom Seer, but Red Hood was definitely more popular outside Japan.

[@leonreborn1308]

There's no "overseas market" yet, western manga sales are still irrelevant to Japan and it will probably never change, manga is a cultural thing in Japan while is just a hobby here in the west and it will never be mainstream enough, a "niche" manga in Japan has better sales than a popular one here, Shonen Jump has no reason to take western opinion when keeping something alive specially when the west love mediocre battle shounen that sells nothing as much as they love McDonalds. Shonen Jump would probably be done in some years if they start catering to western shallow taste in new series over japanese audience.

[@kinmersha]

Really cool to see a thorough look at this. Ty for the work!

[@JRBeast-nw3xg]

I was really getting into the Neru one and i realized like a few weeks ago that it was starting to pick up a very quick pace and the last few chapters made no sense.

[@joshuanovoa9059]

Phantom Seer and Samurai 8 could’ve been something special

[@jerichogarcia9675]

If people have read Bakuman, they would understand why a lot of series are being cancelled by WSJ. :) It's sad to watch these Manga go (especially since I enjoyed them too). However, I also understand the reasoning behind why they have been cancelled. :) Btw, this is the first video I watched from your channel and it was good content. Keep it up! :)

[@TheBasedDonHoly]

I wonder how different WSJ would have been if One Piece got cancelled back in 97

[@luthfeeghazale6206]

Shōnen Jump wouldn't be the best selling manga magazine (Shōnen Magazine would surpassed it)...because after db ended, they were down hard (6m to 4-3m sales) up until they were up again due to OP

[@juancl__]

Amazing video! Very informative, and, as many things today, is always the perspective/exposure of the modern era internet that make us think like that, nice info👌

[@germanas7898]

Thank you for taking the time to make this video, it's very informative of the actual trends :)

[@nkryum0047]

This was an amazing video. Really insightful and gave me a better understanding of how WSJ works.

[@saroojanvasanthakumar1510]

Great video - made me realize that I’ve been a manga normie for the 13 years I’ve been reading manga online

[@federico_Spectrus_torrero]

Hello Ryley, great video as always. Btw, here in my parts, Italy, we actually have concluded publication of half of the series you talk about in your video on " discontinued shonen jump titles", i cuold send you the volumes you never had brought over, if you are intrested.

[@nafrililystone]

this shine a new light. thank you

[@willywitchdoctor]

Great video, the graphs you out together were very informative

[@nyarlathotepsnook6572]

Hard boiled still hurts . I loved it. But now that people see things getting canceled it has my tiktok comments filled with “ bet this get canceled “ posted a video about the new title Doron and it’s all I see lol .

[@weekendcalcium8281]

Love your content!!

[@Leblunk]

RIP Neru and Candy Flurry. Both were really good IMO

[@branfordbarnes8877]

Great video. I'm sure it took a lot of hours to do the research!

[@ant3]

I remember when Viz went digital in 2012 and experience Barrage being cancelled. It was sad to see that series go but to see Horikoshi find huge Success with MHA shows that it definitely helps creators move on and create something that can become hugely popular. I also feel like Samurai 8 was the first time I've seen a mangaka fail at gaining a huge audience and creating another popular property. When you see too many successful series out there for so long it's hard to see what isn't getting far and I'm glad we get to see that a lot more since Viz started publishing every new series in english.

[@Steeeve_Rpg]

I was really surprised about hunters guild. The art alone was fantastic

[@madmouse4400]

It was because the kind of hunter exam was too long. It's like if the bell exam in Naruto or the Demon Slayer exam lasted for 7 chapters and that we didn't even get into the first mission.

[@connordarbyshire1428]

Fantastic video- great work dude, this was a real eye opener

[@animedude8712]

I'm more curious about why certain series fail? Like Red Hood, it started off well and was getting praise from other writers, yet it failed. Was it the characters, the story, or was it something else? It makes me wonder what Japanese readers thought of it

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

I remember back when I regularly read manga, the amount of anxiety I would get every time I'd find a new manga I liked because I never knew whether or not it would get canceled. It was especially tragic when a series I liked would get a poorly implemented rushed ending due to an unexpected cancelation. There's also the inverse problem, when a publisher pressures a mangaka to prolong a series, making it overstay it's welcome. I think 90-150 chapters is a sweet spot.

[@moallayoussef5462]

hope this video gets more attention. great work and effort for an even greater video

[@drewdavis2708]

Great video thanks for coming through all the data!

[@abyssal113]

I think something many people dont get is that Weekly Shonen Jump isnt meant to be producing just "decent manga". It is meant to be producing "the next big multimedia hit" for Shueisha. They dont want something that just sells ok. They want something that might succeed as an anime and sell merch. As such, keeping a good artist producing a decent but very flawed manga is counterproductive for the interests of the magazine. Not only is that flawed manga taking the spot of a title that might be way more successful, but by cancelling that title, the artist might return later with a more fleshed out idea. Also, I never ran the numbers but I've been saying "50% of Shonen Jump titles are cancelled around chapter 20, 75% around chapter 40" for years and I am glad I was ALMOST right.

[@frenchbaguetteoui]

20 chapters should be enough to hook people. It only seems to be manga where the mentality is "chapter 637 is when it gets good, bro!" Every other storytelling medium, you never need that long to know if something is worth your time or not. Maybe manga needs to learn to get to the point quicker instead of meandering for chapters with little to say. So many series either start off slow as shit or are really episodic until the mangka finally finds what he wants their series to be about and that's not what hooks people. Know the story you're telling before you start. It's simple, really.

[@nidohime6233]

How many pages are in a average chapter? 10 -20? A 20 chapter book would have an average of 300 pages, that´s still quite lenghty if not for the fact is mostly drawings.

[@pandaman2234]

@@nidohime6233 most first chapters are 55-75 pages, most second chapters are 25, and the normal chapter is 18-21. 20 chapters is about 442 pages, normally about 3 books worth of manga.

[@widepeepohappy820]

I just read the first book for mashle, if they cancel that i will be so, so, so so sad.

[@mmem4264]

How do I say this, sometimes I'll enjoy a series but not anything else the creator creates afterwards (or before). Like I love GTO but can't get into any other works by Tohru Fujisawa, including the GTO prequels/sequels. I remember liking Double Arts by Naoshi Komi and being pretty excited when Nisekoi premiered before losing interest. Though that was probably because I don't like harems. Etc, etc. Anywho, great video, it's always fun to see what actual statistics show.

[@rxzero00]

I loved Double Arts and was annoyed when it was cancelled and all we got was Nisekoi afterwards but not because it was a harem series but because I did not like the leads. In Double Arts, the two leads had good chemistry and I wanted to see more of the world but alas it was not meant to be. Stupid Nisekoi.

[@VividVoid]

I still think that Phantom Seer getting cancelled was just criminal.

[@gappy6964]

I wish they gave us some kind of warning T-T

[@megamegapop12]

Especially in the middle of an arc like that

[@greatdimkpa1467]

@@gappy6964 there was a warning I believe

[@greatdimkpa1467]

@@megamegapop12 yeah that was just so annoying

[@Nicholaspolioi]

I think mangakas have to satisfy the editors or readers. If editors like you /your work ( probably like one piece ) you get that push like if your manga is successful

[@pandaman2234]

Small correction, School Judgment wasn't a flop. It was made with the intent of being a 3 volume run.

[@dhdusjdhsl5785]

It was cancelled bro.

[@pandaman2234]

@@dhdusjdhsl5785 it literally wasn't. It was made under the condition that it would be 3 volumes from the start.

[@tinybutmighty4795]

I read somewhere that it was cancelled. don't remember where tho since I read it 2 or so years ago but, yeah. It was...alright. A bit cringe at times but, kinda fun.

[@littlebee7147]

@@tinybutmighty4795I remember the author notes mentioning it was planned because I thought it was weird at the time (IIRC, this was a + series originally). Maybe there was a contract clause that would've commissioned more if it did really well but that didn't happen. Most ppl probably assume it was cancelled because 3 volumes (aka 27-30-something chapters) is Jump magazine's normal cut-off point when you are not rising through the survey rankings.

[@ZaxFSO8083]

It just sucks that a story can be lost forever when a manga gets cancelled we never get some kind of goodbye article where a mangaka details what their plan was and possibly give us a rundown of what they’re specific ending was going to be. I say this because not every cancelled series has at least a thrown together ending to at least give us a bittersweet sort of conclusion, some series just disappear never to be mentioned by the creator or anyone in an official capacity.😥🤷‍♂️ but I digress

[@Ataru320]

It's why I don't even start new Jump series anymore; cause I know that it's all the whims of Japan and I rather wait until it's at least a year.

[@lyss1305]

hi, this was a really interesting and informative video, great work!