Is Smite Really Terrible?! - Extreme ParseCoping

[@lawless7859]

Drop a healer and bring 40k more dps, or troll your raid by doing 8k dps. Hard choice.

[@lre4real]

Hey Look! My comments in a video where my favorite Priest is agreeing with me about Rag. Bow down peasants!

[@albeshino8875]

Loved it! Atonement playstyle is a toxic plague in the community that desperately needs to be eradicated. Thanks for helping cleanse people’s minds and raising awareness

[@daveprince13]

It should be noted that atonement does absolute WORK on Baelroc. But outside of that, yeah Good point about the different raids as well. Casual guild healing is crazy, and top tier guild healing can be super routine/scripted and much easier

[@doublezug7193]

it works but it can randomly splash to the melee soakers and kill the tank

[@utcuwan7366]

Shoutout to DoubleZug for staying on and carrying his "average shit guild" by maximizing HPS each pull 🙏

[@doublezug7193]

​@@utcuwan7366 my guild is good we just don't do ptr or pserver, 1-2 day, and most of our players have never seen the content before. I'm not carrying bad players I'm just playing in a way that makes prog easier because even good players make mistakes on prog when they haven't pulled the boss 150 times on ptr/pserver, cleared the content multiple times on pservers/OG retail, etc.

[@Tattagreis89]

Pretty much if your raid allows it you can smite for the extra dmg . If your raid wont allow it because they take too much dmg just use your healing toolkit. There are several cases leaning more towards each playstyle depending on raidsize and grp composition. If youre unflexible as a rock it would probably be better if youre a hps priest though, atleast in most cases. In the end all that matters is keeping the grp alive, after that its just your personal preference wheter you parse for hps or dps, imo.

[@doublezug7193]

@@Tattagreis89 yes but one is objectively correct in the vast majority of cases

[@JoseCollado-w9w]

i still dont know what to ddo to heal mroe lmao what spells and what not to priortize in 10 man?

[@rawrproductions5963]

are you playing for parse or progress?

[@doublezug7193]

Depends how good your healing partner is and what spec. 10m usually has lower hps requirements so its fine to play for more dps if you dont care about parsing and you 2 heal everything. If your healing partner struggles to do high enough throughput you should take up the slack.

[@roniclayton9644]

My GM told me they would want me to OS dps, when we drop heals, to keep 2 pally healers even tho I'm orange parsing most fights and am usually the highest hps on all our fights lol I like how you broke down the comparison bc basically a disc priest is better than a hpal in the sense that you do get dps for relatively similar hps and if you do PoH heal your output is always going to be more efficient bc you're not reliant on a pixel stack

[@doublezug7193]

The problem is shadow is better than ret and it's harder to swap to ret because the gear is totally different. It's annoying to OS if you prefer healing but usually hpal is the last healer to get swapped in most raids. That said in my opinion it's usually more fun to DPS than it is to heal in a raid with way more healers than necessary.

[@roniclayton9644]

​@@doublezug7193I just think shadow is kind of dookie compared to ele or boomie dps, overall I'm not rly a spriest xD What is your int/spirit/crit/haste sitting at unbuffed? I've been reforging out of mastery for haste on the 291 pieces I've gotten but feel like my spirit is still rly low I'm barely pushing 2k spirit even with my non heroic pieces being reforged haste > spirit e.e

[@Wrastler165]

⁠@@roniclayton9644 i am orange parsing most fights. I had to hard carry baleoroc in 25 man. I also carry heals on all fights with my Druid partner. Haste and crit full raid buff 25%. Spirit like 1200+-. My int not sure. I’m 374 item lvl

[@ak-1271]

Another in-depth video on why you should play your Disc priest to its maximum potential, love it. I personally enjoy Alysrazor due to the fact I can cast while moving and can even go up and heal the guys flying.

[@andreaskarlsson5251]

Rag is not a good fight to look at for healers. So little healing there compared to other fights that Smite is lovely.

[@doublezug7193]

That's why I used it as a point of comparison. It's a good case for atonement.

[@andreaskarlsson5251]

@doublezug7193 yeah, my comment was more directed at the fella that brought up fojji just smiting away on rag :p

[@MrSups1]

i think this video is correct but where you shoot your argument in the foot for people who believe in dps coping is invoking the word "parsing". Obviously you are saying to min max hps (correct for all healers to do at all times for obvious reasons) but when you say thats "parse-brained" it invokes noobs who play bad/make the raid go worse for more hps/dps (which is incorrect).

[@doublezug7193]

Yeah, the use of parse brained is mostly tongue-in-cheek tbh.

[@onioncultistlordoftheonion8315]

The way I understand it is that Atonement is meant to be your mana efficient healing that you use to set up your big healing windows (where you AA+ PoH)

[@doublezug7193]

This is basically true. My contention is that you should avoid casting smite when you don't have holy fire dot on the target or you aren't building aa stacks for optimal hps. The hps optimal play style still presses smite, it just presses it much less than the DPS optimal play style.

[@jiripirinen4264]

Reading these comments man. ”Who cares if boss dies 5 seconds faster” is crazyy like uhm hello? Every single dps player who even remotely cares about his/her logs?! 🤣 i like zug, hps parsing is cool and fun but man some of his viewers are trash 🤣

[@illiberalautist2222]

Lol

[@Abaum201]

This guy PI's himself that's all viewers need to know here. Go ahead and screenshot this one too in your next 20 minute cope video.

[@trevhur]

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[@trevhur]

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[@doublezug7193]

my pi is bugged i cant target anyone else :^)

[@roniclayton9644]

Most instances that a dps (mage) would need the PI is when lust is being used anyway, so, saying that is 85 IQ and you trying to cope so you can maintain the narrative that it should be reserved for a dps lol. sorry but PI for your mage parse is irrelevant to the output you can get with it as a disc priest in almost every scenario.

[@trevhur]

@@roniclayton9644 you mean the same time the priest would also be lusted? LMFAO. keep coping about parses when this is the exact same thing hes rooting for, healing parses. the poster of this video is a heal parser, all he wants is his wcl page to be high rankings

[@Wrastler165]

I atone heal on all fights in Firelands. We mostly do 10 man N Firelands and 2 heal all bosses. When aoe happens I do poh and once people are at a good health point back to smiting. Other healer is a resto Druid. My stat prio goes int>haste/crit> mastery> spirit. I reforge spirit off all my gear since I don’t have mana issues. I’m usually full raid buff about 25% crit and 25% haste. On our first rag kill I only had about 978 spirit. Of course now with 4 set I’m at about 1200 spirit. The mana efficiency of smite and holy fire I find to be very good.

[@doublezug7193]

Even with this type of playstyle id recommend going higher spirit. It will allow you to mix in a lot more spot healing with pws and more emergency tank healing with flash heal/gh without ooming. Losing mastery doesn't affect your DPS at all and mastery benefits atonement hps VERY little so dropping it for spirit is a big gain assuming you spend all your mana, plus if anything ever goes wrong (miss a raid cd, mess up a mechanic that does big raid dam, other healer dies/ooms, etc) having a big buffer of mana to spam with will make your raids safer.

[@Tylerron]

NEVER stop making these "dunking on shitter take" videos man. The amount of salt from bad players is incredible.

[@tomasharcuba999]

Ok.. you act as you make these videos for the average player in an average guild. Why cant you make a single video explaining to those players what are the pros and cons of atonement without being all "oh, but it doesnt have as much hps, so it really is a garbage why of healing.. you are really better of pressing poh because it gives better hps". There are situations where you hps DOESNT MATTER. And Im not talking about the top 1% guilds. The amount of healers you bring into a raid depends on how you can handle the spikes in the incoming damage. And what do you do when the spikes are over and your healing is not needed? It is not pressing poh. And by the way, it has nothing to do with dps parsing. It is about knowing your whole kit and how and when to use it.

[@doublezug7193]

@@tomasharcuba999 Ive explained the pros and cons of atonement many times and I advocate players use their whole kit.

[@hinterlandrider5300]

The job of every healer is to do maximum HPS, regardless of the class. Don't worry about the fools mate 👍

[@andreaskarlsson5251]

Nah I disagree with that. The job of every healer is to keep the raid alive. usually that is achieved through max HPS but sometimes not. For example, prayer of healing might give you more HPS but it wont save that person in the other group that is low health so its better to throw a flash heal or greater heal on that person instead, before the AoE pops. Basically, the goal isnt maximum HPS but maximum HPS is the way to get to your goal (zero deaths).

[@doublezug7193]

@@andreaskarlsson5251 if all healers are maximizing hps you will have to emergency heal much less because the raw aoe going out into the raid will top people. Outside of pws rsham and hpal are better spot healers, especially on fights where radiance cant hit the whole raid.

[@andreaskarlsson5251]

@@doublezug7193 Sure, not saying you shouldnt try to maximize your HPS but for example in my guild we have one that always pumps out maximum healing as a resto shaman (always getting 99s) but stuff dies around him cause I can only assume he focus on getting the "right" rotation rolling rather than doing spot heals where its needed.

[@hinterlandrider5300]

@@andreaskarlsson5251 For sure I use my whole tool kit, that's part of achieving high hps. Knowing what to use at what time, not just spamming PoH or smite.

[@doublezug7193]

​@@andreaskarlsson5251emergency healing that prevents death always takes priority (assuming your spec can do it which all cata specs can) but outside of those corner cases all healers blasting makes the raid way safer than healers sacrificing significant hps to do damage/wait around to snipe spot heals or w/e.