Is Some Homophobia Self-phobia?

Richard Ryan, a professor of psychology at the University of Rochester, co-authored a study that looks at the roots of homophobia and how this attitude is more pronounced in individuals with an unacknowledged attraction to the same sex and who grew up with authoritarian parents who forbade such desires. The study is the first to document the role that both parenting and sexual orientation play in the formation of intense and visceral fear of homosexuals, including self-reported homophobic attitudes, discriminatory bias, implicit hostility towards gays, and endorsement of anti-gay policies. The study was conducted by a team from the University of Rochester, the University of Essex, England, and the University of California in Santa Barbara.
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[@basilrose]

"whenever we have strong feelings of hatred or discrimination towards other groups we should wonder why"

[@Kwolfx]

I once had an experience; actually two experiences, with extremely homophobic person, and I think I learned something interesting and important from it. I don’t know if it applies to all homophobic individuals, but it probably applies to a huge percentage of them. I used to live in Southern California, fifteen - twenty years ago I had a friend there who I will call Bill. One day I dropped by Bill’s home, though I don’t really remember why I dropped by now; it's the conversation we had that I've never forgotten. Bill's TV set was turned on to a news channel, but Bill had turned down the sound as we talked. Suddenly Bill broke off our conversation when he noticed the news stories switched from ordinary politics to a gay pride parade in either Boston or New York City. There was a close up of a float carrying men dressed in drag and some dressed as nuns. I thought it was mildly amusing, but not really news, just something “shocking and sensational” the news channel put on to gain attention and spike its ratings, but I was puzzled why it had grabbed Bill’s attention. Suddenly, Bill erupted into a long, expletive filled tirade against homosexuals that ended with him saying, “We should just kill them all.” The reaction in my mind was, “WTF!? Where did all of that hate come from? This must be some kind of really dark, sick joke and a punch line must be coming. Yea, that’s what it is.” Ah, no it wasn’t. Now what I actually said to Bill was, “Dude, what do you want to do, reopen Auschwitz, but instead of gassing Jews you want to gas gay men and lesbians?” Bill turned back to me with this crazy look on his face and replied, “Yea, exactly! Why can’t we do that?” I don’t remember what I said after that. I think I was too shocked to come up with anything, really. I think we changed the subject and I left fairly soon after that. I didn’t see Bill for a couple of months. One day I went to a gun show with a group of friends and after stocking up on ammo we decided to go target shooting, up in the high Southern California desert, back in a box canyon where it’s safe to set up your targets and blast away. Bill was also there. Everyone's wife or girlfriend; and yes Bill had a girlfriend, was doing something else that day. Afterwards we drove to the home of one of the guys (I’ll call him Mike) and had some burgers, beers and put on a Schwarzenegger movie, Predator or Commando. You could say it was a high testosterone kind of day. Just as the movie ended and the credits were rolling, we were talking about putting in another movie when Mike’s wife came home. She suggested we put on something less Schwarzenegger like. So we let her choose and she put in the movie American Beauty, which was new at the time. (This is the part that relates to Bill.) If you’ve never seen American Beauty, there is an important character in the movie that is very homophobic and eventually we discover he is a very repressed, very in the closet homosexual. He’s not the main character in the movie, but his actions play a vital part of the overall story. So when the movie ended much of the conversation went something like this: “Wow. I didn’t see that coming.” “You didn’t? I knew he was secretly gay as soon as he went into that homophobic rant with his son.” “Yes, homophobes are often…” The conversation went on like this for a minute or two, but Bill didn’t say a word, at least not at first. After everyone one else had spoken Bill finally said, “I think you’re all wrong. I feel like I watched a different movie. I don’t see him (the homophobe) that way at all. He thought the Kevin Spacey character was gay and he was testing him to find out the truth.” I wish I had said this, but someone else replied, “Dude, he kissed him (Spacey) on the mouth. Is that how you find out if someone is gay? Ya know, personally, I think I would have just asked him instead.” Bill kept on trying to defend his point of view but it was rather pathetic. He wasn’t convincing anyone with his arguments. At that point, I put it all together. Of course, the first incident had been a huge clue, but the alternative view of reality that Bill had about the movie character tied it all up. Bill identified with the homophobic character in American Beauty. He couldn’t admit that the character was a repressed homosexual; even though it was pretty damn obvious at the end of the movie that is exactly what he was, because Bill can’t admit the truth about himself, EVEN TO HIMSELF. It’s not just an outer façade; it’s an inner one as well. That's why it can be so difficult to make a person in that situation grasp what seems like an obvious truth.

[@JohnAllman]

@Kwolfx You are closer to understanding than many. However, you are still expressing your thoughts in the jargon of the LGBT faith community. Instead of describing the movie character as somebody who has successfully suppressed his own vulnerability to homosexual temptations (albeit at a terrible cost to his character, as you have observed), you describe him as "a repressed homosexual". That analysis implicitly accepts the LGBT doctrine of sexual orientation, as a condition that is innate (or at least unchosen), immutable, irresistible (without harmful "repression" as exemplified in the fictional character and your, frankly, obnoxious friend), ontological (of the essence of the person affected, some people just happen to "be gay" and there's nothing they can do about that if they don't want that) and of no moral consequence at all ("it's okay to be gay"). There are many who have no experience at all of homosexual temptation/inclination or sin/aberration, who do believe at some level in the doctrines preached by the leaders of the LGBT faith community, because they regard this as bowing to the superior knowledge of experts by experience, of which they have none of their own. But LGBT dogma which directly contradict doctrines about homosexual behaviour that are just as worthy of respect in a democratic society, for example those taught in Christianity, which bring great joy to those who embrace and practise them, without the believers becoming obnoxious, like your friend. The harm that is wrought in society by well-meaning people who have no experience of homosexuality (the behaviour, not the controversial "orientation" used to excuse the behaviour) acquiescing to LGBT dogma about homoseuality and trans behaviour, is that LGBT preaching becomes a rallying cry of an abominable, vicious hate movement, directed against all who reject homosexuality as a way of life, through conscious choice, beginning with the rejection of the quasi-Calvinistic determinism preached in the LGBT church ("nobody choses to be be gay", implying that it is impossible for anybody to choose NOT to be gay, a hard determinism doctrine that deprives the conflicted of all hope). Kinsey reported a huge percentage, about 10% of the population, who had had homosexual experiences, whereas only about one in seven of that number go on the identify as "gay people", by embracing the LGBT doctrine that "some people are gay - get over it". The embracing is LGBT doctrine by such "allies" unaffected directly by homosexual lusts erases the large number of people who have rejected homosexuality as a way of life, by choice, for themselves, and who would preach hope to the conflicted. Those erased are more numerous that LGBT believers. Those who *need* their "internalised homophobia", as LGBT preachers denigrate the triumph of moral choice and *shame* over animal lust witnessed in *most* of those who have at some stage been recruited into homosexual behaviour, are unjustly denigrating as so-called "haters", a piece of hate-speech you will hear often from the mouths of the LGBT faithful. What has enabled this has been quite dark forces that have resolved to amplify the voices of LGBT believers in the mass media, and to silence the voices of those who would narrate a happier lived experience, and succeeded in that conspiracy. Those from whom you seldom hear - so savour this moment - were once lost to homosexuality, but now they are found. Once they were blind, but now they see. The sing, because they are glad *not* to be gay, because they were *unhappy* that way. They have been *saved* from homosexuality. They are not "haters", they are filled with love, or are indifferent, unless and until attacked for their non-LGBT "heresies", when they might become defensive of their own beliefs in, to a degree, human freedom of will, or the power of God to save the vilest offender who truly believes, cleansing not only from the guilt of sin, but also from its power. You have much to learn. johnallmanuk.wordpress.com/category/homophobic/

[@chriscooke109]

Extreme homophobic views are exclusively held by scared, confused homosexuals; I am incredibly confident that is the case without exception. They are overcompensating by being so anti-gay that, to them nobody would ever suspect they are actually gay... it is sad to see someone have such hatred for themselves. I have reassured people like this that it is fine to be gay in the past and received a very aggressive response. Years since i last spoke to someone regarding this 3 of the 4 people I have confronted are now openly gay and are actually friendly, happy individuals (I am not so arrogant that I believe I was the turning point, that was nothing to do with me imho). There is one that is still in deep denial and gets into many fights so everyone definitely knows how much of a straight manly man he definitely is. He also regularly reminds anyone who will listen how much he loves women's tits, arse and pussy; definitely more than other straight men because he is the straightest of the straight men, no doubt about his love of nice tits that is for sure.

[@schoe2164]

@@chriscooke109 No that's quite literally victim blaming, from experience

[@kimsteinke713]

Yeah before I come out of the closet finally for good and realigned my religion and my paradigm finally changed to a normal one I think I had heavy indoctrination though. 🙄 I'm fine now but my entire family still shuns me in the other one's died I'm 60 it's ridiculous I thought I was going to be able to fix this problem real quick but no. Hang in there everybody if gay people I'm gay and if gay people can put up with this much and stay alive y'all can too. We have to make the world a better place look at this silly War now with Putin and Ukraine silliness well sadness now. 🌈🌈😇❤️

[@kimsteinke713]

@@JohnAllman I sure would like to sit down with you and talk to you. I see you're a man in a cloth. I don't write down what I'm going to say I just like to speak from my heart and I can't see very well so I'm going to dictate. Everything you said is completely wrong how do I know that because I'm a gay person and I was born that way and I was writing letters to God from the time I was age 12 I have them. You need a scapegoat and I understand that but you really want to go and shut your eyes and pass on into the dark when you could be possibly wrong and what you're saying is a lie like the devil the father of lies. You know Jesus Christ said and some were born that way some were made that way and some were made themselves that way for the kingdom of God let him who can hear this and accept this understand this these are the eunuchs and I will build a far greater name and it will last for generations even Jesus saw the mess at the church was going to do and yes I say the church the whole world knows y'all protected pedophiles and you blamed it on gay people ..who were born that way from God the church is wrong they exchange the truth for a lie and they're at war with the Creator instead of the creature they are the creature God is the creator. Mini scholars have been telling you this for 50 years now get your heart right man of the cloth. 🌈😇🙏

[@blortner]

I've noticed the same thing among people I've known personally for many years. The idea is supported by a LOT of statistical evidence. It's impossible to ''hate' anything, anyone or any group unless you fear them.. Men who are secure with their own sexuality don't hate gay men..

[@dravendefay07]

My ex-boss was very homophobic and I caught him looking at gay and transgender porn, so, yeah, I've experienced this IRL.

[@cantagiousca5220]

You are gay though

[@efimovna292]

I think its funny how a lot of homophobes felt the need to come out and defend themselves... I can feel some irony happening....

[@slimsxyblkwoman]

I truly agree to this! I have seen proof of this over and over again.

[@BiohazardCrow]

Homophobia is not always "discrimination" "hate" "Bulling" etc etc. The real homophobia is really "fear" of the gay people. A true Homophobic will probably cry in fear, run or be paralized when he enconter a gay and not "beat the crap out of him". He/She will be so afraid as another animalphobia patient, etc etc.

[@lyrablack8621]

When the sympathetic nervous system is activated (the stress response), it can go a few ways; fight, flight, freeze, friend, or flop. It's entirely in line for someone suffering from homophobia to have their fight response triggered out

[@rmiami225]

I love the reactions from the homophobias ... they're reinforcing the research with their comments! lol

[@ackamack101]

And even without being hateful, I have seen men whose buried homosexual sides have been piqued, only to have a fearful and bad reaction later. A delayed bad reaction. Yes, homophobia is self-phobia. Every time. What is buried is never annihilated. It always threatens to surface at some point, hence homophobia.

[@yurimedeiros2006]

This guy is 100% RIGHT!

[@KaiserFailed]

I literally said hello to this man on Periscope. Literally, "hello". He went off and called me all types of names. It was a wall of bigotry and hatred, with hate speech that lasted a solid 3 minutes. Literally, all I said was "hello". Not even saying anything about my sexuality. I was legitimately amazed. I asked if maybe he was gay himself, because that response to any sort of human is VERY strange. Then I was blocked. This video talks about this subject a bit. Thanks.

[@simonstepho2364]

The comments in this video prove this video's point.

[@jerrydoubleu]

I see a lot of anti-gay comments--lol--do any of u self haters get the irony?

[@EagleHard]

I think there is a whole lot more closeted gays than you realize.

[@jaxrogers]

Look up the words projective identification. Than look at what you've expressed.

[@iseeit2215]

My sister is so homophobic but she masks it as advocating for Jesus smh

[@MrKommienezuspadt]

What are you talking about this video was "relaying" the evidence, did you not pay attention to when he cited multiple studies supporting his claim?

[@VaporizerBrothers]

there are many countries that are very homophobic does that mean that most people in them are actually gay? that just seems ridiculous i live in the baltic states where homophobia and racism are strong issues and no one does anything about it in my country an anti homophobic racist law was created only in 2001 there are many other factors that play into homophobia, its not just about the person the government and school education systems play a huge roll

[@theobserver9131]

I have seriously strong negative feelings about rich people..... Hmmm.....? ;) kidding aside, thanks for this video!

[@kyalucero7977]

That I can relate to LOL

[@Gaggyboy8]

Homophobia is not a phobia for crying out loud! A phobia is an acute fear of a certain creature! I’m an arachnophobic and that means when I encounter a spider my life feels threatened where as words like homophobia annoy me as it’s a prejudice not a phobia

[@gavinmccune93]

The fear exists in the proof that they are wrong about their social constructs. Homophobic men and women have strict "gender roles" and if they were to accept gay men as real men and lesbian women as real women, then their strong belief that they are "real" men/women by following their social constructs would be proven false. An example of this is that a "real man" isn't a bottom/gets topped/likes a male body. If homophobes were to accept gay men as men, then it would no longer be true that a gay man who bottoms is not a man. The gay man who bottoms would then be recognized as a real man, meaning that the former homophobe is no longer the "alpha male" / "real man" by following strict social constructs.

[@jinglecat3678]

The actual autism it takes to explain how your not afraid of your sexuality your just prejudice against it

[@nikoappsmuggred7220]

geuss my hydrophobic windscreen fears water by your logic.. you know phobia also means.. aversion towards?

[@basilrose]

search for study at University of Rochester website, "Anti-gay Bias Linked to Lack of Awareness of One's Sexual Orientation and Authoritarian Parenting, Study Shows"

[@Moradtumah]

Great comment man!

[@rg0057]

I think it means you get the "ex" camps and ridicule that used to go to the out segment of the gay population.

[@nihonbunka]

There are other studies. Google "Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal."

[@WanderingTaoist101]

Oh please do.

[@OldGringo38]

I meant exactly what I said, Mother knows best. :)

[@nihonbunka]

Well spotted. I like the theory.

[@Paulsdottir]

It tells you exactly where to find the research: The study was conducted by a team from the University of Rochester, the University of Essex, England, and the University of California in Santa Barbara. All you have to do is search for it on line.

[@cateattingmonster0]

Does this mean that Rich Santorum maybe gay?

[@alelooooooya]

YES ! ...interesting.

[@jaxrogers]

Check it out. You sound thoughtful but you could go farther with your insight than what you've expressed You are part of the reason this video is here.

[@frederick909]

What do you mean?Poor thing

[@OldGringo38]

Sounds pretty damn close to me.

[@mobcat40]

More people should wonder why

[@Nova_1945]

Dislikes are from homophobes 😆

[@LavaCreeperPeople]

Facts bro

[@BanHan]

The study is linked for your own viewing pleasure right below the video. I'm guessing your amazing hatred for gay people made you unable to click the drop-down since you'd have to put your mouse pointer somewhere in the man's groin region.

[@IliketheTitanic1]

Freudian slip much? :P

[@cjdodsworth]

Tab A fits into Slot A ;)

[@BanHan]

It clearly states that the study is done with four experiments each averaging 160 test subjects.

[@mussman717word]

Question: Is Richard Ryan gay or straight?

[@kimsteinke713]

🌈🙏😇yep 👍

[@cn-fo]

EbZ the Ricochet Bullet 🌈🐊🌈🐊

[@misslovelyreign9119]

MAKES ME WONDER ABOUT BLACK HATE, WE KNOW WHY THERE IS WHITE HATE BUT WHY THE BLACK HATE? ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT THAT AS A PERSON OF COLOR THOUGH...

[@ch1aka2]

This explains,.. Tom Cruise.

[@wer44able]

we've got a selfhating gay!!

[@rmiami225]

Just can't handle the truth can ya!

[@tonyh8965]

I'm homophobic... completely straight, never been attracted to men and come from a loving background with no homophobia. it's just what i beieve in its allowed. i don't abuse them, don't insult anyone i just keep myself to myself with my friend s and family. i'm not homophobic and abusive with it, i just won't socialize with them, no need to. i don't think ppl using asses as vaginas is normal.

[@gavinmccune93]

Well maybe you need to get off your high horse and know that being attracted to and sexualizing the feeding place of infants is not normal either. Women's breasts are not sex organs, yet you straight men and women have sexualized them across the entire continents. You do sexual stuff to boobs and then have your own children then feed from them...disgusting. You involve innocent children with your sex acts. Gay men don't do that.

[@jinglecat3678]

Sus

[@raschidmalik464]

My God, what a deranged guy you are. You really believe that contraceptives are a law of nature. Get help in your life and heal yourself from your heterosexuality.

[@parahmennn7172]

Well same, i used to be homophobic and straight but when i look at... femboys... ugh.

[@baileygregory9192]

​@gavinmccune93 the fact that it's done across the world and has an evolutionary advantage shows that sexualising it is good (and because I want to be funny I will word it in a funny way) and the fact that babies suck on them is the reason why we evolutionarily like them and thus the reason why its moral to secualise them. Lol. More seriously the evolutionary reason is because healthy boobs means that the woman would be able to feed the child and thus it became a trait we are evolutionary attracted to. Fundermentaly are sexual desires originate from the need to reproduce and more importantly pass on are genes

[@Jaybird196]

LMFAO! I'm soooo gonna steal that :) .

[@IliketheTitanic1]

Except you know for all those logical fallacies in your comments :) "Your either with me or against me" right? There are no exceptions? That's a load of baloney.

[@SayR0L0]

I would say people who does not agree to accept homosexuality as a normal/healthy/moral way of life. Homosexuality exists also homophobia. But also there is normal people like me. I don't agree with homosexuality as a good choice but I can relate and respect homosexuals.

[@kyleenglot9184]

RO LO how can you relate if you’re not homosexual? You insist it’s some kind of choice? Do you choose to only be attracted to the opposite sex? Or does it just come to you naturally?

[@aryebognar6663]

Your approval or disapproval mean fuck all.

[@SayR0L0]

@@kyleenglot9184 it's similar to alcoholism, you are not born with it, but some might feel attracted to it, others just fall forever, some can get out of it. It's a vice.

[@SayR0L0]

@Dylan Vuorinen wow... We are having a conversation that started 7 years ago! To be honest I don't get your point.

[@SayR0L0]

@Dylan Vuorinen so you think you know which words I should be using? Good luck!

[@Thrashaero]

He's made improvements since then. He accepts the fact he was a hypocritical lying bastard, which is something he deserves at least a little credit for. He has a long way to go though I think..the whole jesus juice shit he seems to still be on.

[@EagleHard]

It's called the GOP.

[@WanderingTaoist101]

Can we call them Narnians for how deep they are in the closet?

[@barbarageorge]

sounds like a lot of the gop, like santorium.

[@davidpar2]

“Homophobia” is almost exclusively a misnomer. A “phobia,” by definition, is an irrational _fear_ of something. There isn’t a person on planet earth who _fears_ homosexuality or homosexuals by virtue of their homosexuality, and if anyone believes anything to the contrary, the burden is on him or her to prove it. It’s a word designed to give those who use it a false sense of “authority” or “power,” and there’s nothing self-beneficial in such motives. It’s an exercise in lying to oneself. The closest it comes to being a legitimate term is when it’s internalized, i.e. self loathing, i.e. “closet cases.” These people don’t fear the homosexuality, but they do fear the potential consequences of being “found out.” Edit: You’re close to getting me to delete and repost my OP with the shadow banning BS, youtube.

[@nikoappsmuggred7220]

geuss my hydrophobic windscreen fears water by your logic.. you know phobia also means.. aversion towards?

[@davidpar2]

@@nikoappsmuggred7220considering a wind screen doesn’t “feel” or “fear” anything, no, that’s just a predictable non sequitur. The definition of “phobia” is an irrational fear of something, not an aversion toward it. If the standard of “homophobia” is as low as “someone who has an aversion to it,” anyone and everyone who un-ironically uses the term is just weak and needy. No one has entitlement to any random person’s approval or acceptance, and believing you’re a “victim” if you don’t get it is pathetic.

[@splinterbyrd]

I wonder if Professor Ryan is just a _teeny_ bit biased given that he's also a teeny bit camp

[@CM-jw5wv]

Data doesn't lie. This isn't the first study of it's kind - research out of the University of New Mexico had similar findings. I wonder if there's something you're in denial about? 😜

[@kylecantley]

A lot of you are missing the point. Earn a phd in psychology and then voice your 'intelligent' opinion.

[@JohnAllman]

And the "point" we're missing is *what*?

[@MrAlimtc1005]

OK, first of all, there is no such term such as "homophobia". phobia is a disorder in which that being has an UNCONTROLLABLE fear toward the thing they are phobic about. And I never saw anyone who has such symptomatic behaviors toward gays, thus the term itself isn't appropriate. 2nd, there no definitive evidence to what he was saying. the psychological complexity he just explained is due to our complex mentality. EX; I say, don't think about a chair, you will subconsciously think of a chair.

[@lenerdchirch9161]

Hell no! Quite judging people for being homophobic some people like me are just not accepting new ways. We have feelings just like anyone I even feel bad sometimes when I feel homophobic because I'm a Christian and I know God wouldn't won't me to act like this. But I don't care I'll answer for it later.

[@kristiant96]

I bet you are a teenager, around the age of 14 ?

[@lenerdchirch9161]

@@kristiant96 no Im not

[@aryebognar6663]

@@lenerdchirch9161 , don't be a whining bitch all your life.

[@lenerdchirch9161]

@@aryebognar6663 I may be a judging piece of shit but I'm not being a whining bitch. Honestly I don't feel bad about it anymore because I'm getting tired of all this left wing bull shit.

[@tonyisnotdead]

@@lenerdchirch9161 ur a Christian but u swear?

[@mike2lane]

"Does that mean skinheads subconsciously like rap music?" No, it doesn't.

[@efimovna292]

one big can of Gay'd xD

[@jakobjrgensen8011]

Homophobia is a cultural adaption, which could be partly assimilated into the genes. Homophobia evolve to avoid bisexual men from engaging in homosexual relationships. Prepared learning could help people to learn it is wrong to be gay, just like we are more prone to fear snake than pistols.

[@troubleteam3147]

Can I just have this erased from my memories I mean my life was much better when I don't know gays even existed

[@Moradtumah]

homophobia doesnt exist, its just people who doesnt agree to the fact that a man or a girl CAN be homosexual at all.

[@JohnAllman]

It's more a matter of SHOULD than (strictly) CAN, but what you said isn't completely wrong.