"Is Starfield AS BAD As People Make It Out To Be?"

[@Arven97]

How do you take a 1 minute video, attach a reaction to it, and turn it into a 20 minute video, dang asmon. Good job.

[@Raptor-Jesus]

You Are Watching A Master At Work

[@leemattox7665]

Imagine being a serial farmer 🤣🤣🤦‍♂🤦‍♂

[@PeterPanbe]

And the way he just openly talks about “fan clubs”, so refreshing

[@naturallyirrelevant9639]

I was gonna say... at least people can't hit him with "react harder" if he reacted any harder we'd be watching 6 hour long videos of a 1 min clip

[@rothgartheviking858]

Cheap content

[@turtle_jones]

Asmon has been really liking the “polishing a turd” analogies the last few months specifically. Thanks D4.

[@IncredibleGoliath]

I get the impression that him and the guy doing the video are often asked to try to help a gaming company limit the spread of negative word-of-mouth. Hence all the "D4 is a good game for a casual dad" parsing. Honestly most gamers are better off just saving their money instead of trying to find something to like about the latest scam AAA release.

[@LispyJesus]

Where does this guy stream? It says twitch but his twitch page says he hasn’t been live in 3 months. Nvm.

[@minnievsx3977]

@@LispyJesus he has a second account that he streams on @zackrawrr

[@Mordring]

@@LispyJesus he has two channels. Asmongold that's probably dead-ish as it's mostly tied to WoW content and zackrawrr he uses for other games, video reactions and general chatting. His actually live on the latter (and playing Starfield) as I'm typing this comment.

[@Spiffo0]

It's because he's nowhere near as smart as his fanbase thinks he is. He gives incredibly shallow takes on basically everything. It's absurd that people think he's somehow profound.

[@jamesbrealg]

Asmons said this before, but before the internet, before influencers and social media and score botting and other hyped up bs, people played games in vacuums, and their opinions werent influenced by anyone else, and that could mean that for one person a 6/10 could actually be their best game ever, hitting all the right buttons and just a perfect game that they enjoy. All this extra crap is layered on top of actually purchasing a game sitting down and enjoying the heck out of it

[@AltFromTheLimbo]

Nowdays, if you can influence your or competitor's sales via influencers - you JUST D O I T

[@davidschmidt2081]

I do find, though, that audience score usually is pretty accurate on if I'm going to enjoy a game. I definitely don't care about critic scores, though, lol.

[@HJK242]

@@davidschmidt2081 not in Metacritic, most scores there are 0 or 10 and it's full of review bombing. Steam score is better, at least there you need to own the game to give score

[@nuclearcrayons3511]

I just wanted a cake and I got a yuzu.

[@allstar_]

Issue is gaming became mainstream.

[@radandpaisley]

"...if you go in a garbage can, you will find some things that taste good" - Asmongold, 2023

[@user-ck5is2pg9y]

Hobomongolds.

[@7Slayer7]

pretty much is fridge lol

[@michaelmurray2033]

….yeah that’s like saying when a person has Colgate white teeth naturally will not have bad breathe. Maybe they ate shit too

[@MillenniumEarl014]

Which is dumb because out of all the things to go to he went to the garbage can.

[@N0MoreZER0S]

Is the Xbox the garbage can in this analogy?

[@lomborg4876]

Hitler was a vegetarian and loved animals. That doesn’t mean he’s not a bad guy

[@AldrickExGladius]

being a vegetarian makes Hitler the worst!

[@HitokiriSlays]

15:25 I love that Oblivion music starts playing when he says "into Oblivion."

[@Zev35380]

I noticed that too, love it!

[@wolf3248]

haha nice catch

[@kokuutou92]

based editors

[@Tameot34]

After the last two month of videos on this channel you couldn't guess that Asmon actually played hours of Starfield but never launched Baldur's Gate 3 (since launch)

[@Rukia541]

Who cares about turn based trash

[@RaeneYT]

​@@Rukia541many people do

[@grayfarron5077]

"turn based trash".... bro the only thing here trash is your opinion, by miles lmao.@@Rukia541

[@ilcarnifex]

@@RaeneYT not everyone

[@strictnine5684]

@@RaeneYTnope. Tbs and mmorpgs are going to stay in the trash gutter where they belong. This BG3 Hype will be dead before the awards as god intends.

[@wagonburner4311]

"It's like going to the zoo" is the most accurate statement I've ever heard. That's insane

[@georgesantos570]

Asmon and Charlie have a special way of making me care about drama, that I literally couldn’t care less about. Thank you for giving entertainment to things I can literally stop thinking about when I turn the video off.

[@Narlaw1199]

All the entertaining advantages of drama, without the brain damage!

[@dan4992]

@@Narlaw1199 sure, cause your drama youtuber is different to all the other drama youtubers. You sound religious :')

[@Narlaw1199]

@@dan4992 Uuhh... lmao, what? Is that a bot randomly sticking words together?

[@dan4992]

@@Narlaw1199 how original, where did you get that insult from? The internet? You bot... I'm just gonna claim "NPC" now before your programming kicks in Do you think drama channels damage peoples brains?

[@BreakHarpe]

I really like Starfield...Idk if it's b/c I had no expectations b/c this is my 1st Bethesda game. I said I need to stop watching gaming reviews b/c they can taint ur experience b/4 u even play the game

[@tackion5371]

I love people stating obvious things like it’s some grand epiphany

[@HorsesandCoffee]

When two people walk outside and one says "oh, it's cold out" or into a dark room and say "oh it's dark in here"

[@RobidyBobidy1]

Fallout NV was the best narrative of any Elder scrolls, Fallout or Starfield game, and the funny thing is: It was made by Obsidian, not Bethesda. Bethesda has NEVER been able to write an exciting story. They make blank canvases that modders can make use of.

[@slynt_]

Excellent point

[@lorecow88]

Morrowind was pretty good, even if the conclusion is slightly weak.

[@davidmorris6254]

Morrowind was very deep if I want to be objective, otherwise I'll have to agree

[@RobidyBobidy1]

@davidmorris6254 morrowind was deep, tons of lore -- story was standard though. Best Bethesda stories were the thieves good and DB in oblivion, in my opinion, but they were still pretty simple

[@XPervysage]

Lol, Fallout NV had the most generic and boring story of the whole series. If it weren't for the factions the game would of flopped because the world is hardly worth exploring.

[@Warcraftgainz]

I’m stuck in a 15 year toxic relationship with classic WoW

[@Harvey_Pekar]

There is currently one thing in my refrigerator that is actually edible. It's day-old pizza, but it is edible.

[@justinland1208]

Hey now! Day old pizza is delicious, moreso if you factor in a hangover.

[@aquasomnus]

Add some water and microwave it, shit will be even tastier than before

[@goratron1]

OMG, the game is awful. Stop defending it. I didn't read anything about it, I came in with a blank slate as I was so excited. That didn't last long though.

[@Yunprek]

I managed 10 or 12 hours and got a refund, I’ve been playing Bethesda games since I was 6 and this shit was god awful, it doesn’t even feel like it was made by Bethesda. Meanwhile I’ve logged 180 hours into cyberpunk (an rpg made right) in the last 5 months and over 2600 total hours across PlayStation and PC in Skyrim, breaks my heart that this is the new Bethesda, lazy fucks who just want money. 8 billion dollars well spent smh.

[@nic5808]

@@Yunprekyou must not of bought cyberpunk on launch because that game was a disgrace when it was released, one of the most overhyped roll outs ever and man it didn’t go well and took years to recover from.

[@Yunprek]

@@nic5808 I had cyberpunk after initial release on the ps5 not the 4 so I never had to experience half the bugs that were in the game 🤷🏼‍♂️, and while it’s no excuse I’m happy they finally fixed it after 2.0 cause I love that game

[@RedWill42]

The problem I have with Starfield is I keep tripping over all the stuff I dislike trying to enjoy the stuff I do like

[@taylon5200]

This. THIS. 100% the vibe.

[@ShaddyzZz]

Like? Im enjoying the hell out of it. Im wondering what you stumble upon thats so bad. Except the bugs because those can be fixed. (But lets be real, they probably wont, its Bethesda lol)

[@markomejac8172]

@@ShaddyzZz Cope harder!

[@monalisa-bs4zs]

I spent a ton of time making a ship with everything. Makes the game much more chill. Always having like 10k tons available to store stuff is game changing.

[@tkraft1442]

​@@markomejac8172ponie?

[@MrMoridinalthor]

It's not that the game is horrendous, it's just OK. Unfortunately, OK isn't good enough considering how long it took and how much hype there was.

[@guyeinhat3819]

What hype? I've seen like 2 KZbin videos on it up until it came out and those 2 videos were "Oh it's not tes or fo, false alarm guys".

[@blipsauce1143]

@@guyeinhat3819what? If you look up “starfield” there’s been hundreds of videos on the game being uploaded every week for the past year

[@MrMoridinalthor]

I remember hearing about it being a Sony killer that would put XBOX back on the map. That's why people are giving it 10/10. They need it to be good because it was going to validate their console.

[@McSandrone]

​@@guyeinhat3819You got lucky mate, the internet was flooded with people claiming this game was going to be the second coming of Christ ever since they did that 40 minute deep dive

[@saltycarl6581]

@@McSandrone same was said about No Man's Sky, lemmings will be lemmings. The opinions of faceless randoms on the internet should not matter to anyone. I kept myself in the dark on purpose and i enjoy the game.

[@Mike_Dubayou]

Imagine Skyrim, but you can only fast travel to dungeons and cities. That’s starfield.

[@jgon12]

I mean you could do that lol most people did haha after a while it gets kinda annoyin. traveling back to Lydia waiting at your home and she gets angry if you don't come to dinner.

[@compostsmurf5519]

It's also missing the hand crafted world, atmosphere and interesting exploration offered by their earlier games.

[@Mike_Dubayou]

@@jgon12 yes, but there’s a whole atmosphere in between. Many times you just fast traveled, but walking out of white run and seeing a dragon in the distance was epic. Imagine you could only fast travel from whiterun to the dragon fight.

[@stilyanstalev8316]

then dont fast travel?

[@Mike_Dubayou]

@@stilyanstalev8316 that’s all you can do in this game. Whether you fast travel with 1 button, or fast travels with 4 buttons.

[@DanielFanzwicky]

Summary: Starfield has become a projection for bigger debates.

[@s3nate22]

Yeah because BG3 exposed it - and no BG3 isn't perfect but it's leagues ahead of them in terms of immersion and interactivity.

[@DanielFanzwicky]

@@s3nate22 I’m still astonished to the audacity of some of the AAA studios saying don’t take BG3 as the new standard. Lmao they are basically saying don’t look at the good product just look at us. Pathetic.

[@pauljohnson9315]

Good art starts conversations

[@DanielFanzwicky]

@@pauljohnson9315 Every good art can start a conversation, but not every conversation emerges from good art.

[@thepile4850]

​@@DanielFanzwickyThe "don't expect this to be the new standard" take is dumb as fuck. However, the amount of people saying it was like a handful of second-rate devs on Twitter. Content creators blow that shit out of proportion for clicks and views.

[@jorgecuevas8843]

I really don't get how people can defend and unfinished game like this. "It gets good after 20 hours" Really? The whole purpose of playing videogames is to make you feel good. Spending hours into something that feels like a chore has no sense at all

[@tkraft1442]

You didn't play it did u. U just wanna sit behind the haters 😂 What path did u choose in the beginning burn the bodies or did u let them stay as they were?

[@jorgecuevas8843]

@@tkraft1442 I'm in hour 18 and it's so hard to carry on 😩😩😩

[@joe-tatothepotatobiden47]

I never understood the whole "it gets good after x amount of hours" thing. I had fun right away. It's a Bethesda game and anyone with experience on a Bethesda game knows to do the stuff you like and avoid what you don't like. For example, I got bored with the main quest line so I decided to mess around. I ended up getting arrested and then I was coerced into going undercover in a pirate crew by the government. I then backstabbed the government every chance I got and started a smuggling ring. That was fun and it was wayyyyyy before 20 hours of playing the game. People are just used to games with linear story telling and short uneventful side quests. They're used to games like RDR2 and not Bethesda games. Don't get me wrong, starfield is not an objectively good game. RDR2 is better by far but there's still plenty of fun in starfield.

[@ramdroid87]

Bro his garbage can/Refrigerator analogy had me dying😂😂😂

[@SpittinSquirell]

Asmon milking this game for all its content worth

[@nealeshaffer3140]

For someone who doesn't like it he sure rambles about it ALOT

[@salmankhan2739]

Its like Death Stranding, people find stuff in it that they love and also stuff that they hate, its not for everyone and thats fine.

[@Tis4Tony]

thats a great example of a game that does the same!

[@NyangisKhan]

It isn't fine for $70! But I guess it's a great incentive for people to get gamepass. In the end Microsoft won I guess.

[@BlobBlobkins]

Deaths stranding is a great example of marketing and copium injection into players

[@tau12usr85]

This game just didn't live up to the massive hype plain and simple. It is just a sign we need to take space sim games from AAA with a grain of salt. Most developers can barely fill a continent with meaningful content so expecting them to fill a planets let alone multiple planets is naive. They need to stick to how mass effect did it, make the worlds in lore but then concentrate it into a smaller selection of planets.

[@dave3275]

True and real. Millions of boring empty planets didn't gonna change everything.

[@LordRykard9376]

Rule 1. Don't eat the hype. Know it's there but ignore it if you can. It's just psychological imprinting to ramp you up to that purchase. You have ideal built up in your head that nothing could come close. This idealization plagues the gaming community.

[@LordRykard9376]

​@dave3275 wait till you find out most planets in outerspace are actually like that.

[@askiia8713]

​@@LordRykard9376 Wait till you find out games are supposed to be fun, not realistic. I like starfield fyi, I just found your comment a bit silly.

[@LordRykard9376]

@askiia8713 ok dum dum. The game is fun. I'm enjoying this game because it's a videogame, not the center of my life.

[@FlygonnTrades]

My boyfriend watched me play StarField and he said from a third person perspective that it looks interesting but boring

[@Seb_Falkor]

It’s a bethesda game. If you like besthesda games, it’s awesome. If you don’t, it’s boring. Bit more nuance to be had but that seems to be the consensus

[@emarskineel]

Pretty accurate, I love it

[@jesusantispray]

ive loved every past bethesda game. This game is a regression and terrible especially for its dev time. Its so clunky and uninitutive compared to past titles. Somehow manages to feel less epic and immersive and gives you less freedom or meaningful exploration

[@Cloudiroth462]

I will say this this game has a ton of flaws. I am very surprised at some of the quest lines though. Some quests are extremely well written. I am specifically referring to side quests/faction quests. I think that's what he is referring to mostly.

[@ChooChooToValhalla]

Some!? For the amount of time it was developed plus the $70 asking price 90% should be good. Just look at rdr2 and bg3! Starfield at $70 is an actual scam. The only winners here are the guys playing on gamepass.

[@therealpoolboy420]

Every quest in BG3 is amazing...lol. Xbox stans don't need to worry, playstation doesn't even want that hot garbage...lololol

[@EggEnjoyer]

@@ChooChooToValhallaSkyrim wasn’t well written and yet is considered a masterpiece. People don’t play these games for the writing. The dialogue is serviceable and engaging enough. Starfield is just like any other Bethesda game. But now the whole internet is pretending like they didn’t dump 1,000 hours into Skyrim

[@xtr.7662]

You mean every bethesda game

[@roostre5254]

​@@EggEnjoyer that game came out over 10 years ago, standards have changed while bethesda games stayed the same. If this game came out when skyrim did it would be a masterpiece.

[@rkramer5629]

Now I keep think about what Asmon’s fridge looks like. Ratio of good to bad isn’t zero…

[@MarcMartino]

asmon's fridge is full of 2 dollar pizza's. LOL

[@amperz1477]

And burnt steaks

[@larochejaquelein3680]

I feel bad for Asmon because a poor diet full of sugar and fat is actually really deadly. Poor diets kill 3 million people per year

[@greedyyawgoo5635]

Remember guys, took almost 6 months for Cyberpunk Dick Riders for them to realize how bad the Cyberpunk game was... 6 Months. So it's obvious that you will get a barrage of hate from Xbox fans if you voice your disappointment with this game.

[@markomejac8172]

Preach!

[@eelco_de_haan]

"you can find what you want to, out of it" well i tried to find at least 60 fps, but somehow i just can't seem to discover that in this game with my mid tier gpu....

[@ButtslammerBob]

4/10 game

[@colwellalec]

Thing is with No Man's Sky, I love the game and played the shit out of it (long after release and all of the improvements were made), but at the same time after a while all the content once you get to a certain point feels all the same due to procedural generation, nothing actually feels like there is care and attention put into it. No planets are really catered with things to do, like there are no real good curated experiences aside from the main questline (which is also arguable i think). However with Starfield, yes the exploration is lacking, and in a space game that really sucks, but for what is there in terms of content with the side/faction quests I think is really, really good. I feel like a lot of the complaints I'm hearing are from people who really bum rushed the main storyline, which I'd agree is pretty mid, but much like my experience with Oblivion I feel like i am doing everything except the main story, I do one thing and 3 others open up, I talk to an npc i think is random and it leads me down a whole questline, etc. Tl;dr is I think a lot of the complaints are totally valid, but people are acting like the game is an absolute dumpster fire which i haven't seen, performance has been fine for me, I think the art is pretty visually striking, and the side content has kept me really interested. Like considering Bethesda's last outing was Fallout 76, I'm pretty happy with Starfield, and it is nowhere near that level of broken and incomplete

[@jgon12]

I agree as well.

[@spacy6604]

I feel the same. I love the rp side of it. I’m playing as a freestar redneck, and the whole Sarah quest line plus ranger quest line felt so good. We were doing it together, and at the end she told me she’s proud of me despite she didn’t like our faction. It really made me feeling things when I was playing it. But I guess most people didn’t care about that? First three to four days was so fun, when I was totally offline, don’t know anything about the game, and just having fun. 150 hours I’m still not done if first play through.

[@grayfarron5077]

This is the truth. This is the right way to play the game. THe curated and created content is tons better thant just trying to treat the game like NMS or ED.

[@kaisokusekkendou1498]

​@@grayfarron5077 It's about setting your own expectations. So, since I'm tired of playing the drawn out storyline stuff (whether it's fascinating and engaging, or lukewarm nonsense) it just doesn't appeal to me. I saw the new Baldur's Gate game, I'm so happy that it did well. But I didn't get it.. I know what I'm looking for. So I know that this game (Starfield) isn't for me. If it's best feature is an aspect of gaming that I'm actively avoiding, and it won't deliver a good experience on the rest, then that is the BEST review that I can get for it: I can be informed, and know I should pass on this game. It would likely sit there and gather dust in my games library forever.

[@TwistedSisler]

Agreed. The completely side part of the game that is completely optional and you have to go out of your way to even engage with it, is not as good as the other games that do that, but none of those other games also have 100+ hours of a BGS RPG as the meat and potatoes of it's content either. It's a bit like saying The Witcher 3 was a bad game because gwent sucked.

[@doji2493]

Starfield is a alright game for me, I enjoy exploring and taking pictures, missions about exploration and bounty hunting. The game keeps me entertained. specially that one mission with the Teramorphs? And how they're made? I find that story really good. The Spy for UC to infiltrate the Crimson Fleet is great too. And looking for super power "skills" are fun to do. What im trying to say is that everyone have their own cup of tea when it comes to gaming, we might get upset from their "takes" and how they view the game but that is alright. We are all into different things.

[@xPeski]

Yeah I've played 60 hrs and I've barely played the main quest line 😂

[@albertjohnston1026]

TL;DR: I'm just ranting/frustrated below. Basically, I think Asmon is just entirely too broad in his criticism. Yes it has flaws, but IMO it's not a bad game, it's a _highly_ flawed great game. It's the difference between eating sugar-flavored shit and eating a platter of food with some great and some terrible parts. Honestly, while I agree with the criticism of Starfield when it comes to many individual points, I'm super frustrated with Asmon's general take on the game. It has a _lot_ of flaws, yes. Having said that, it's also my favorite game in a while. I didn't care for BG3 in the slightest, it's just not my type of game. And while Starfield has features that feel fully undercooked/etc, I still really like many other aspects of it. Asmon's take, from what I gather, is that the game is a steaming pile of shit that has a few grains of sugar. I'd instead say that it's just a prepared meal where half of the things on the plate taste terrible. You don't, for the most part, have to eat those things. Does exploration suck? Yes, but that's optional. Do faces look like crap? Eh, I think they feel very Bethesda-y in a good way (but otherwise yeah a little crap lol), and tbh I thought Asmon didn't care about graphics looking stellar so it's weird he brings this up often. Is there waaaaaaay too much fast travel in the game? Yes/no. I don't mind the fast travel _exactly_ , but you spend far too much time in menus for fast travelling. TL;DR BGS needed to find a way to let the player get from A to B without needing to open a menu to fast travel, or something. Other notes: Enemies are spongy late game; the perk system, while cool, ends up being a pain late game when you need a ton of xp to level up just to get access to features locked behind perks. I have ideas on how to fix this but w/e; the game takes like 15 hours before it gets fun. Not an excuse, that's 100% on BGS and entirely their fault. And even then it's not for everyone; the outpost system has IMO a critical flaw that makes the whole thing a waste of time until it's addressed (not worth explaining here) As for the good: Many quests are 10/10 in my opinion. Wow. I never care about quests in BGS games but this one it's practically all I care about. Combat feels great. After those 15 hours I mentioned, you _really_ start to feel immersed in the game. Sooo much. Far more than other games I've played. Sucks that it takes so long to get there, I really didn't care for the first 10-15 hours, but now I love it. The main quest line is, somehow, a really good one from BGS this time around. New game plus is cool (it's not just the usual new game plus) and changes some dialogue in minor ways, and not just for the main quest dialogue. Side quests too. Related to immersion, I like the dialogue. Probably not for everyone, but I like lore, so I enjoy hearing people in game just talk casually about stuff without having to be funny or whatever. Shipbuilding is incredibly cool, though I wish there was more to do with ships than dogfighting. Probably will get more love with mods or DLC though. Edit: spelling lol

[@TheJordanK]

@@albertjohnston1026it’s just not his type of game. Don’t be frustrated by other ppl having different tastes.

[@Cheesecake17345]

@@albertjohnston1026 It just sounds like you don't agree with asmon in regards to what's important in a video game, which is perfectly normal. You agree there are tons of problems with the game, that's all there is to it. Asmongold thinking these things are game ruining flaws, and you not agreeing, doesn't make either of your opinions wrong.

[@ivoryowl]

@@albertjohnston1026 If you're the kind of person who gets frustrated at others for criticizing the things you like then that's on you. Honestly, why do you care so much about that? Are you really so insecure that you can't enjoy anything without some kind of external validation? Just accept that not everyone is going to have the same opinion you do and move on. lol Honestly, that sort of mentality irks me to no end because it represents one of the many problems our society has. So many people agreeing with and going along with things, not because they like or want to, but because of social pressure and desire for acceptance. Bona fide virtue-signaling and echo-chambers everywhere. Fewer and fewer people can tolerate different opinions; you either go with the herd, or you get dogpiled. Living in democracy means living with opinions different from your own, even those you don't like or agree with. Within reason (within the confines of the law and common sense); live and let live.

[@ReikiMaulana]

I personally enjoy the game but Asmon's take on Starfield has been my favorite clips to watch these past few days

[@dubiousbrick4483]

Starfield is definitely one of the games that came out this year

[@SithisLich]

To long didn't watch: Zack isn't the target audience, he's in the middle, doesn't hate doesn't love.

[@drick69420]

The game is literally mid. Not good not bad....just mid

[@ZChronicNebula]

And ppl have accepted mid for far too long and wonder why things don’t improve

[@nabulalke]

i agree totally

[@sargothi]

Am I perfect? No. But am I striving to be a better person every day? Also no.

[@Lord_Calf]

Thats the Bethesda way and lot of ppl like to follow it ... its that simple

[@HicSvntDracones]

I don;t think being an expansive "open world" game is the issue, the issue is the interface and constant need to fast travel. It is like get in ship, take off, open star map, jump, land, kill people, get in ship, take off, open star map jump, land,

[@LumenPsycho]

Meh, Starfield isn't anything you could call good. Barely passable. Once modded by community, probably a bit better. But modding can only provide skins & little quality of life functions (take them as muscle). A skeleton has already been built by Bethesda & it's pretty much garbage. It can never be improved. Bethesda shouldn't be allowed to make video games. They are worse at it than some of the Indie developers..

[@simonfredheim9581]

If you think modding can only provide skins and quality of life features then you're clearly very new to modding

[@Einygmar]

Starfield is closer to a 6 / 10 game. Of course, there's something nice in it, but the ratio of those nice things to the things made intentionally to waste your time or simply creatively bankrupt things makes the game as a whole extremely mediocre.

[@HyperKryst]

It's a decent game, but the thing is that it happens to be ridden with flaws that some people hate very much, and for the rest those flaws don't affect their experience. Because of it, you see so many extreme opinions on how shitty it is without giving it too much credit for the things it did right. I think it's a valid stance to take, but holy shit, some people go extra mile to insult others over liking it or they straight up try to paint it as a fully 'bad' game. Like, how can you call it compete trash when we have things like Saints Row reboot or Gollum?

[@socratese5]

Its because there was so much hype and they’re pretty disappointed

[@Clipski]

@@socratese5that doesn’t make the game itself as bad as those. People have to manage their own expectations. Every developer will try to sell you on their game

[@oss956]

​@socratese5 Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky was overhyped as well, but today they're seen as kings of their craft, despite their terrible launches. Starfield is a much better launch than those two as well as still being a good game. It's unfair for those people to compare games that had second chances to one that didn't need one.

[@trad5887]

@@oss956exactly !!! People shitting on Starfield even though the only comparable games to Starfield were factually wayyy worse off in their launch period . This games gonna age so well , just like most of their other games have. Most of these haters will be playing in a year or two

[@gggamer3851]

@trad5887 Maybe when it drops down on sale for $15- $20. I'll stick with Armored core for now.

[@xSKOOBSx]

No man's sky doesn't have custom ships, the best you can do is customize your freighter interior.

[@elbanditobald6916]

"In NMS, it seems like you have more agency to make interesting ships" Lol, I love NMS but he just straight made that up

[@ChrisGrump]

Also, NMS is not a RPG. It is a space sim. Starfield is not. It is BGS RPG with Space as its setting. Which is what was advertised.

[@justanormalguy4885]

​@@elbanditobald6916yeah he watched that one video but has no idea. NMS and Starfield shouldn't be compared at all

[@Chris3s]

is it a space sim? I would rather see it as space exploration aka advanced minecraft in space, I would clacify X4 as a space sim @@ChrisGrump

[@ChrisGrump]

Maybe. Point is, Starfield can not be compared to games like NMS, Scam Citizen and Elite Dangerous.@@Chris3s

[@kobrraful]

unless NMS just added the feature and no one is talking about it, you cannot create your own ship. you can do "housing" things inside of your freighter, and change its colors, but you cannot build your own ship.

[@andrewwitham8493]

Let's put it this way. I really wanted to like Outer Worlds when it cMe out, even dropped a ton of hours into it and it still didn't feel fun. People say Starfield is the some old bethesda formula and I don't disagree. However I am actually having fun playing and exploring Starfield as opposed to everything feeling like a chore in Outer Worlds.

[@doxthafox1138]

Same with BG3 to me, I'm not that target audience. I hate turn based games, I tried it, it's just not for me. Starfield has soaked up a lot of my time and I've thoroughly enjoyed it. This year has been great for games, find one you enjoy.😊

[@itachi2816]

It's one thing to have a different taste about the game style, I think that's not the issue about people don't liking Starfield. There is a very obvious difference in quality between BG3 and Starfield. While BG3 is a high quality game that impacted the industry and will probably be a reference in the future of RPGs, Starfield is a super hyped game that promised a lot, but in the end delivered a game that is a 7/10 at most

[@doxthafox1138]

@@itachi2816 I get this, but it's also your take on it. I have over 1000 hours between fallout 3/4 and Starfield is Fallout 2.0 for me. Starfield is everything I wanted and expected, which I think is why it's a solid 8/10 for me right now and the more I play it, the better it gets.

[@EF-fc4du]

You have to think of Baldur's Gate combat as a puzzle with multiple solutions all of them still pretty challenging.

[@joaoteixeira8349]

@@itachi2816 Two things: BG3 didn't impact the industry and it won't be a refference in the future. Starfield WILL be a reference in the next years. How do I know? Because that's not the first time this happens. I don't hate BG3 and right now i don't give a crap about Starfield, but i do remember the history behind these companies releases

[@dains6623]

@@itachi2816 besides being a hit how did it impact the industry?

[@XPervysage]

I'm just thankful that I've absolutely loved the 70+ hours I put into the game. All the issues are easily overlooked and you get lost in the scifi simulation. It's the reverse when you see other people enjoying a game and you try it but don't, wishing you could enjoy it too.

[@Trikipum]

what sci fi simulation man?

[@trad5887]

@@Trikipumthe fact that you can build your own ship , all the weird and crazy guns , the robots , the aliens , the weird futuristic takes on food and drinks , even down to the way stuff is built and placed . It’s just cool admiring all the little details in the environments , I will admit some of the exploring aspects are a little lack luster but that feeling is so far and few between that it wasn’t a big deal in my playthrough but everyone has gripes about everything , a bethesda game will never meet everyone’s standards but god damn it they nailed the sci-fi setting they were trying to establish

[@Phyrrax]

​​@@trad5887If you like having all those and are satisfied with all of them being shallow and thats your standart for good sci fi or a good game. Good on you. Like Asmon said if you have fun with it, thats ok, but dont claim that its great.

[@Jiub_SN]

If you've played fallout + any of the big 3 space sims you can't get absorbed at all I've found, because the fps is just slightly better fallout with way more loading time and less customization and the space aspect is just a very bad version of any of the big 3 depending on which part you look at (big 3 being Star citizen elite dangerous and no man's sky)

[@strawhatcap6326]

The game is fun if you ignore the space travel and ship related exploration. As usual Betheseda and Todd tell me sweet little lies Howard set an expectation that they cannot meet. Flying the ship is boring, space travel and exploration sucks. The ship is much better as a fast travel mechanism that you forget about. The quests, "dungeons", settings, etc are what is fun. Betheseda creates worlds that players get lost in and mod to their knees and they did that for the most part. It would be cool if NMS and Starfield could do a fusion dance. NMS does space travel and exploration well, at least surface level for the most part. NMS gets repetitive af and every planet is still super similar as far as just being different color scheme and slightly varied animals and plants. The exposition dump quests are boring too, imo they are weak where the other is stronger. I feel like if Betheseda did not try to hype the ship and space exploration to the same level this would have been received differently. Plus mods, modding is fun af, the scene is already going wild. Procedurally generated planets suck too, they could both do away with those. I would rather a smaller hand crafted universe like outer wilds than a bunch of empty boring planets, realistic or not. No one wants to explore a boring rock in space 1000 times, they want to find different worlds with things going on.

[@Soya4me]

My best moment in Starfield happened after @30 hours, when steam confirmed my refund of the game.

[@im7254]

anything below 300 mods in bethesda game isn't the "real" game

[@davidurban7346]

To each their own man. This game is so bethesda. It's a continuation not an evolution. I get that.

[@im7254]

@@davidurban7346 in 10 years when VR version of current starfield is out it will finally be ready to play

[@2thre3]

Starfield isn't even an iteration. Modder's add variance to a Bethesda experience more than Bethesda. And I get the feeling Todd knows that. Release a shell, let the community turn it into a game later. Bethesda may as well cut all the story and world building and just release an engine and themed resource packs at this point.

[@curtbressler3127]

There are 3 things that have degraded society and our ability to reason....RELIGION, POLITICS and SPORTS All three of these are inherently divisive, hateful and tribalistic. No matter which of these you're currently discussing, the conversation will immediately get contentious and aggressive once you even slightly disagree on even the tiniest detail. We've all grown up in the muck and mire of a society dominated by these and it's now ruining gaming.

[@theghostoftom9916]

It can be a pretty terrible game if you just focus on the things you don't like? Dude that is almost the entire game! The crap character creation. The uninspired dialogue and interactions. The boring ass story and side quests. The bland characters and companions. The lackluster loot. There are three things that are worth a damn in this game. Ship building, the Crimson Fleet storyline and the Adoring Fan. Why the Adoring Fan you ask? Because he's the only companion that supports you, no matter what you do!

[@vyst8132]

Low sodium subreddits aren’t echo chambers in my experience, they’re just people wanting to have civil discussions (that could even be complaints and criticism) without extremely toxic people who don’t contribute anything but anger and negativity

[@mordecai1484]

Starfield is first game where I was sent to the exact same location by 3 different mission, 3 fu**g times. When I say exact same, I mean same amount of NPCs, they stand at the same location, every item is same. This is like a new level of S**t. I felt like I was playing CS or something.

[@josh_flash]

"Even if you go in a garbage can you will find some things that taste good." Words of wisdom.

[@tukkek]

So the wisdom you've taken away from all of this is that you should go digging in trash to find a worthwhile nugget? That's astonishing.

[@AriCalifornia-yu7vq]

​@@tukkekif you think about it life itself is a dumpster and we're just swimming in it looking for something decent

[@complexity5545]

The wisdom of a hungry homeless man....ha.

[@Kitsune10060]

And I'm just over here like " yeah, I've been burned by Bethesda before, so I'm not gonna buy it, you have fun though." Strange stance to have these days it seems

[@markhaus]

Put it this way, all of Bethesda's current IP before Starfield was either created by someone else or by Bethesda themselves back when they actually gave a damn. A lot of creativity went into The Elder Scrolls' world building with an entire pantheon of gods, different civilizations with complex histories. Fallout is dripping with style that's justified by an interesting post apocalyptic history from a universe where 50s Americana persisted for decades before the bombs fell and centuries afterwards in the post apocalypse. It also has a lot to say about human nature. Starfield is just bereft of any style or substance that might carry the many blemishes nearly all Bethesda studios games have. And hamstringing themselves to create many planets to explore means they all have to be bland and soulless or the game will never finish.

[@femtokun]

It is a good game, not a revelation, if you just experience the many convoluted levels of complexity with its flaud systems and all, while letting yourself lost in its world, allowing yourself to be surprised in many moments along the way. It is in many ways similar to Skyrim and yes mods are making it better as we speak. It has that nature of trying to capture a world where anyone can find their own personal story, quest, experience etc. so in many ways kind of ambitious, and an RPG at its core with everything this involves. It is a game with a certain style that may not be suited for some people. calling it a "piece of shit" because you don't like it doesn't make it a bad game. It has many things that need fixing and are totally anoying? Yes. There is also another similar game in that regard. I for one played WOW for a some time and I still don't get the appeal or passion people have for it. So I stopped playing it. Doest that make it a "piece of shit game"? No. But I could certainly call it that and would have many arguments in favour of it. I can also appreciate what it does so good and why so many people like it. In my opinion Skyrim was even more flawed at start but at the time there was no comparison, expectations etc. so people were just more willing to just experience it while mods made it such a long lasting game. I for one played a quarter of it at start, stopped and started again after about 2 years when it was a completely different experience after all the mods. Calling it a bad game while not playin it and experiencing it for yourself is an internet trend and I feel people playing games have also changed a lot. Different expectations and reactions, not entierly from deep passion for games but rather just being associated with some group.

[@THISISLolesh]

Not reading that

[@bawlout9367]

it's a bad game because for 70$ you got an unfinished game with an amazing story. Devs seem really lazy on this one. it's a legit 5/10 and i've got about 30 hours into it and haven't completed the main story due to exploring and base building etc.

[@dains6623]

@@THISISLoleshwhy not?

[@nawack2774]

Skyrim was much more interesting when it came out than Starfield, just the exploration there are already 10 dimensions of difference. And I can't even say that Starfield is even just "good" honestly. And frankly I find that we are doing too much with mods, soon my games will only be 10% complete and my devs will let the mods do the rest and the players will work for them, have compatibility problems, etc. 'updates, etc. Personally I'm not someone who spends hundreds and hundreds of hours on a game (I don't know how people do it). If I play a game when it comes out then I move on to something else, I'm not going to play it again 2 years later and go through lots of things I've already seen just because certain mods have changed little things. I'm not against mods, it's good that it exists for those who want it, but seriously if it's so that the games are less and less finished I find it really bad. Mods are really not a miracle or perfect solution, and if I buy a game it's not to tell me that maybe in 2 years if I manage to install mods without having problems then it will eventually be fun. .. Sorry but I find it really stupid

[@bawlout9367]

@@nawack2774 bingo keep preaching. That's why I can't justify spending 70$ on AAA titles until I play the game and understand how finished or not it is. Updates are cool but should be done within the first month of the game coming out. Not fixing the beta/alpha a year or two later.

[@jacksonhagen7686]

Played starfield didn't like exploration, it felt extremely limited. Now I'm playing No man's sky. Having a blast! Lol

[@markomejac8172]

Imagine Starfield graphics with No man's sky gameplay!

[@nealeshaffer3140]

I wish I could enjoy it, its sorta bland

[@Sirabot]

I love dark souls 2 because it had the most interesting lore. Also power stancing and the fact that it was still a souls game. The art direction was on point. Worst thing about DS2? The disconnected world.

[@ParanoiaKeepsMeWake]

DS2 is the black sheep of the family. I think that it's inferior to both DS1 and 3 but it remains the most unique out of all the games. They took risks, just not every risk panned out, and the game was still really excellent. Without DS2 there is no Elden Ring.

[@shemsuhor8763]

@@ParanoiaKeepsMeWake bonfire ascetics should've become standard in all their games.

[@ParanoiaKeepsMeWake]

@@shemsuhor8763 I'm saying

[@chernandez212331]

I shit on ds2 a lot because overall it’s inferior to it’s brothers and cousins, but it’s still a good game. Idk why Asmon said it was not

[@ParanoiaKeepsMeWake]

@chernandez212331 yeah he was on his own with that.

[@Tiago_Havoc]

Let's be real here. 1 - When a game is good, we don't have that type of discusion "Oh if you focus on bad things the game will be bad oh oh oh ". 2 - The fact that i didn't saw any spoilers of the history of the game yet is just a prof that this shit is bad. I go to the comunities and ppl are talking about the problems, the ships they make etc. No one is talking about the amazing history or about something incredible that happened because he chose some way of doing things. I see that ALL THE TIME in the BG3 comunities.

[@luckyluc9972]

Pronouns are helpful. I like to play female characters in MMOs and single player games, but if the game can still call me "him," thats useful.

[@lexdeobesean]

I've found myself slowly withdrawing from the game, and feeling genuinely sad about it. This game SHOULD be awesome... but I'm not feeling it. I've built these AWESOME ships but I'm at a point where I can't be bothered to continue. The moment I got my first power, and the monotonous journey to get it, was the straw for me. I don't wanna do that 10x and then get thst weird new game plus thing at the end (I looked up the end because I was checking if it was worth bothering for). The idea behind ng+ is not uncool, but I really don't feel like going through that slog again and losing all my ships and bases. I'm trying out the side quests now but I cannot say I'm feeling the magic. You might be right, it feels safe, not urgent or threatening. I feel mostly sad because the one mechanic that I enjoy, the ship building, it largely pointless. Ships are basically portable player homes and the space battles begin to feel routine after a while. You don't exactly fly anywhere, you just dogfight in a asteroid belt and then fast travel anywhere else. I think I need to stop and wait for the updates and the mods. I want to enjoy this game.

[@millirabbit4331]

For me, it was the inventory management. After three sessions of offloading loot on New Atlantis, I was done. I just hated it. The ship only made it worse because now I have more stuff than I can carry and I need to go to Constellation to be able to store crafting material infinitely. But due to the size of the ship relative to my inventory, every stop at Constellation is me hauling shit 3 or 4 or 5 times back and forth. I'm just going to wait for mods that fix this garbage game.

[@goodjoejoe]

"It can be a bad game if you just focus on the stuff you don't like about it." The problem is I don't even have to focus. I just start a Bethesda game and get hit by 20 bad things in the face before I can even react.

[@scorcher117]

In regards to the last part about the low sodium/salt subreddits, I don't think they are just about being a circlejerk of "this game is amazing!" sometimes they just feel necessary if you want to just actually discuss the game, like 2077 at launch on the main sub you actually couldn't have a discussion about the mechanics and ask questions about things because it was all negative circlejerk or memes about it being bad, if you wanted to ask legit questions like "Does this skill work on this enemy" or "does X perk effect Y" you'd just get responses of "Doesn't matter, game sucks lol". The low sodium subs were required if you actually wanted to discuss the game.

[@ReaIistik]

I feel like Coh never wants to bash a game. There is no getting around it, Starfield is not a good game.

[@SebaSet17]

that's why is "skyrim in space" to be playable for another 10+ years, some people like, some people don't like, simple. you already know the bethesda games are not so appealing for you.

[@thunderbuddy78]

It kinda annoys me asmon has played starfield but hasn't played baldurs gate 3 lol. Why?

[@DeutsBoui]

Im addicted to playing new games this year but there has not been ONE CLIP or stream that has even came close to giving me a nerd boner. Ill pass until it reaches its final form of GOD MODS and a lovely discount.

[@andrews.7754]

This game lacks any soul from my experience and fails to grab your attention. If I have to struggle through the "first few hours, then it gets good" then they have failed in their design.

[@temporamen]

It's a very alright, 7/10 game. I just wished it was better.

[@ChairZomg]

how far are you into the game?

[@ragdollz2514]

40 hours in for me i wanted it to be a 10/10 game but just wasn't gets very boring 7.5/10 for me mods will make it 10/10 fs tho

[@Aunny123]

In Starfield you can find a zoo on the Freestar Ranger planet. The owner sells you a grandiose vision of exotic animals. Upon paying you realize the zoo is a complete dumb and you’ve been robbed. That is Starfield in a nutshell.

[@bilson7523]

The problem is this is a very limp wristed take on the part of Cohh... My response to this is quite simple: "If everything is good AND bad, how do you ever make a game better?" Because if you adopt this view, I have to ask how is Starfield better than Lord of Ring: Gollum? I get his point, after all I enjoyed Dark Souls 2 myself (sorry, it just has my favorite world of the Dark Souls trilogy), but this still feels like an attempt to undercut criticisms to avoid admitting Starfield is just another Bethesda game.

[@ericlamay1056]

I know I'm being one of those people you were making fun of but the crimson fleet story line is fantastic especially the ending the way they wrapped it up was great

[@arisumego]

HAHAHAHA no

[@bawlout9367]

the only good thing about this game is the story. after that it falls short really hard.

[@ReikiMaulana]

@@bawlout9367 i'd say the ship building is the most enjoyable thing in this game, i haven't played the main quest yet because it's a Bethesda game you know you don't do main quests early

[@anthonykuykendall4207]

@@ReikiMaulana except you should because the whole game feels like it was kinda designed around it

[@ericlamay1056]

@anthonykuykendall4207 I mean the whole game was designed around it. That's kind of how that works with every game with a decent to good story

[@ettar12]

Asmongold didn't like Starfield. What a surprise.

[@catphire]

He doesn't even need to marry Sarah for the 15% exp bonus, he gets all the exp he'll ever need from mining the entire planet of Venus. Just another case of a woman being replaced by a robot (this is a joke don't take that seriously please)

[@rjswas]

I don't understand people that play a game and scream to the end skip every bit of dialogue then call a game shit.

[@unkindguy88]

The bar is low now for AAA games that "gamers" find ways to find what is good about a game and completely ignore the bad. I do not know about you BUT if I spend $70 on a AAA game not just any game but AAA game with millions of budget, with hundreds of people working on it and in years of production, that game should JUST BE GOOD ON LAUNCH DAY! Here's a thought, what if you just pay a percentage of what the game is worth then pay them the remaining balance per patch they release to polish their game. Games being produced today directly reflect the gamers = TRASH GAMERS DESERVE TRASH GAMES

[@thomaswilson8022]

Never thought about it until just now but I feel the exact same way,characters in Bethesda games are just there for me to kill them. I could care less about their stories or what's going on, I just want the loot and as soon as they're no longer useful to me it's go time.

[@Kolljak]

I feel like its to railed. you are immediately stuck in a ship by a guy you don't know anything about with a robot you never asked for... to go to a task you don't want to. The game is one big Radiant quest given to you by Preston Garvy in space.

[@King-O-Hell]

Lol

[@TheAccursedEntity]

At least Dark Souls 2 played the way the devs intended, good or bad... lol

[@BigRicanX]

It's a hollow game with 1,000 planets, which 980 of them are trash empty useless. The game has some good but it's nothing more than an overhyped underwhelming game not a GOTY game contender in any type way or form and that's 100% the reality of Starfield.

[@valtrvank]

If I have to trick myself into liking this game and ignoring all the bad, then this is just not a good game

[@iplaygames7445]

If you are looking for wide open empty spaces, bugs, stoic faces? Who would be looking for that? What is he smoking? Sure there is positive stuff. But let's be honest. Bethesda did NOT evolve. They build the exact same game as FO3 and 4. They also build it in the same engine, with the same bugs, the same glitches and the same old-fashioned look and feel. It's just extremely lazy and they focussed on the wrong stuff to add to their engine. Now they just wait for the modders to fix their broken game. I think they would've been better off creating 5 FO4 sized worlds.

[@t.muller825]

It's funny, you are the exact opposite of me. When I play Videogames the story is the most important thing to me. Things like looting and leveling, it is ok and can be fun, but in general it is really just secondary to me. I want that games bring me into another universe with interesting characters and intriguing backstorys. Of course the gameplay can't suck, but I can forgive gameplay flaws much easier if the story is good, a bad story on the other hand I can't forgive. If the story is bad, after a few hours I just stop playing. That's the reason why I never cared about Diablo as well. The whole point of that game is to loot new gear and level your character, but looting and leveling, just to get stronger, isn't motivation for me. I need the story to give me the reason to get stronger so that I can progress the story and ... idk ... save the Universe or something. Or another example, if there is an open world I don't wanna just walk around and raid some lame ass camp of bandits in the hope that somewhere is a weapon with slightly increased DPS. I wanna walk around to find some hidden quests, little or big sidestorys that make the world feel alive. The only games that had such a good gameplay that I finished them even though the story ... actually almost didn't exist ... were the Souls games. But apart from that, always story first.

[@aedanryan]

The souls games have pretty interesting stories, it's just the delivery method is super unorthodox.

[@t.muller825]

@@aedanryan Yeah, I know that they have a lot of stuff hidden in item descriptions etc, but 99% of players will never read them. I think it is not a controversial thing to say that almost noone plays these games because of the story, they might watch a 40 Minute lore video. For me at least the descriptions and this stuff doesn't make a difference. That's why The Souls games are the one exception, regarding my initial take.

[@nawack2774]

I sincerely wonder how it's possible to like games for the story, and aside from saying that only Souls attracted you without the story... I mean apart from the story the only thing What do you like to do is just hit mobs and bosses all the time? There are still MANY games with much more diverse, original and less repetitive gameplay, which do not put the story first. You do what you want of course but I have a hard time understanding, Souls is literally always the same thing for over 10 years now... And I will pass on the fanboys who dare to say that the history of Souls is interesting...

[@t.muller825]

@@nawack2774 Well, I'm not here to argue about Dark Souls. I would disagree and say that it isn't always the same, that the gameplay always approves and with games like Bloodborne and Sekiro even changes completely, but whatever. Regarding your point about story, it is as I layed it out. Even if the Gameplay is good, usually I get bored after a short time if there isn't an interesting story I follow by playing the game. I, on the other hand, don't understand why you don't understand me liking storys in Videogames. Well made storys are in general interesting, that's why people watch movies, series or read books. Games are in my mind the logical next step. You don't just watch some story in another universe, you go through it yourself. You fight the enemies, decide what to say to NPCs and make choices that change what happens. It takes something that people always liked and elevates it by giving the player the opportunity to interact directly with the story. If the story isn't good, the gameplay feels obsolete to me at some point. If I don't fight the enemies to stop the bad guy, to save this character or to solve that intriguing mystery, I have no reason to do it at all. I'm happy for everyone who likes to play just for the gameplays sake, for me it just doesn't work.

[@thecoach3577]

I mean I feel like this view can be applied to any game at all. And it should be. You can have fun with any game. You can sink many hours into basically anything, and enjoy it if you are looking for fun.

[@robnoel9306]

Some games are just BETTER. ie: more people will find it easier to enjoy themselves and more readily recommend it to others.

[@RifleEyez]

Tbh, I feel the same. Like people who rail on some games will then cite other games I don't like or seem just as bad/limited as being "better". Or say nothing at all and they just hold the game to unfair standards that no game really nails. Really the older I get the less I care about what other people think. It's cliche but if you enjoy it you enjoy it. Other people policing what you think because ''well in XYZ game it has bad A.I if you punch a NPC'' doesn't negate the bulk of the game you find fun. tl;dr the less you care about what people think the better your life will be

[@ThirsttyRecon]

You can enjoy it, but people act like just because they enjoyed it personally therefore everyone else has to love it and treat it like the best game ever or they are just wrong. And vice versa. The echo chamber on Starfield reddit where people were screaming at anyone who didnt agree that Starfield was a 10/10 game was chock full of subjective opinions pretending to be objective.

[@thecoach3577]

@@ThirsttyRecon I definitely believe you, it’s toxic on both sides.

[@pfeilspitze]

​@@thecoach3577​ you can have fun literally kicking a can down a road, though. That doesn't mean you should pay $70 + micro transactions to kick a can. A mid game isn't a bad game, but it's not a good game either.

[@EmbraceTheBeardLife]

Loved Skyrim hated Starfield. Nothing to explore in Starfield. Such a bummer

[@YapYapTHEWATCHER]

I don't understand why people buy Bethesda games for wrong reason, only real reason to buy Bethesda games is the mods

[@r99azm80]

In this case, some people are just seething for the sake of bashing evil company that disrespect the holy artifact console they worshiped.

[@maddib1723]

Cannot wait to see how the modding community will transform this game

[@Steak51430]

It’s already been great to mod. MxR has 3 weeks of mod reviews already

[@EroPatches]

I love that people from the old modding days of New Vegas and Fallout 3 have come back in order to create mods for this game. And these people skipped Fallout 4. Hopefully they can make it as good as Skyrim, but I also worry that they will become bored of it and it will die, kinda like how Fallout 4 recently died in the modding community. Fallout 4 died and Skyrim picked up, gaining even more modders than before.

[@gamer-san8923]

This is part of the problem why Bethesda keeps getting away from selling low quality shit because everyone expects the unpaid modding community to fix the game for them.

[@JR-tc5hm]

I don't think it's as bad as people are making it out to be, but a 6/10 is about as high as I'd go for it, and this is coming from someone who is a Bethesda fan (mostly) and has played Bethesda games since Daggerfall. Skyrim had a certain magic to it that Starfield simply lacks, and I could get lost in the game for hours on end just exploring. I don't feel compelled to do that in Starfield. I find myself bored of it now and probably won't finish it, but I have put a good amount of time into it already. Cyberpunk was even better on release, and that game flopped pretty hard for a lot of people. Here's hoping TES VI is actually good when it comes out, I can't wait to play it with my boys at the nursing home!

[@themtube9455]

I do not support "the message" and I do not support janky games that had millions thrown at it but result in shallow gameplay without any real immersion. People are just simping on these games because they are so desperate to feel some joy and not come to terms with the fact that this world has gone to shit.

[@D71Gaming]

Personal preference is exactly that. Some people will love it others hate it and some are in-between. Play what you want to play regardless of what people say and you will be fine.

[@PicchiaVT]

The game's various narratives keep pulling me out of the experience Not really spoilers but recently happened upon a generational ship who missed the FTL boom and was adrift for 200 years The premise was clear, the land they were wanting to settle was already occupied by people who had stayed behind and went into space when warp drive was a thing Pretty cool no? Well, it's about to smell like sour milk once you bite into it... The generational ship ppl are just like, "Stranger, you are our liaison to ask this settled colony to move out" not cohabitate or work on integrating themselves into modern society, kicked out Pretty shitty people, even if they've been cooped up in a tin can since their grandparents left earth So you're like, "Okay, let's go check out the settlers..." IT'S A FUCKING CASINO So now you're being put in the most cliché dilemma of "Immigrants goooood, rich people baaaad." like it's not even trying to sugarcoat it, it's modern daying you right in the face Anywho, it's a whole f-ing planet, and they want a casino to shove off prime real estate, yeah right And while I'm complaining that it's pulling me out of a good experience for some lameduck california yuppy's wet dream story, I go exploring the gen ship, trying to see how well they did the whole "This place could sustain people for centuries" schtick: Three tree garden... THREE..! A control deck that takes up half the living space, a mess hall that looks like a prison cafeteria, and everyone's just all like, "Yup, this baby's been our home since it launched off earth" -- The thing is hecking MASSIVE, ain't no way that ship's getting off earth raw launch, much less support a functional colony for 200+ years, immersion was broken And just to kick me in the nuts while down and crying over such a cool encounter being royally ruined, I go to Engineering, notice a PC and guess what? F*CKING STARWARE "Oh We've been adrift for 200+ years, no communication, we had no idea humans leap-frogged us into interstellar travel" Well they sure as hell either got the software updates from microsoft in the middle of the void or none of the PCs in Starfield have been updated since the 2100s!! Why why why... 7 years, seven f*cking years, I'm mad because this isn't rocket science (pun intended), how did they go that long and say "Yep, this is ready for print" It's frustrating because I know mods will fix a lot of issues, hell, even remake the experience from scratch at some point, but this isn't even trying... In Skyrim, vanilla had garrisons, dungeons, caves, dunmer ruins, falmer colonies, wizard towers, abandoned settlements, BLACK REACH, oblivion tours of all sorts In Starfield, you get the same mix of 3 types of settlements, maybe a cave or two which aren't elaborate or just are dead ends. Copy and paste frozen laboratory with the same loot boxes so you're practically able to predict where the good stuff is every time, and miles and miles of space DESERT. It's not fun, it's not inspiring, it's bone ass dry. Yes, there are elements that are fantastic and slick like the ship and base building/snap together stuff, the borderlands-esque loot system... maybe a few other things, but they could easily be added to an existing title and it would blow Starfield right out of the water Thanks for reading my rant, it's just like... the biggest issue is this took seven years and hell, week 2 and modders already have a more efficient UI, basement gurus are able to do in days what these companies milk publishers for years to do, they're gaming the industry bigtime, it's not just having high standards, it's that from a consumer perspective, I'm telling you, I'd be pissed if I found out a studio I published their game, took this long to make this, such a waste of time for everyone

[@sandro71088]

I'm with you in many points but the quest you're talking about shows you also some arrogance from the settlers captain which makes you think about turning them into slaves for money :) But all the modern stuff in their ship is really irritating...

[@toosavagegamingx]

Been a fan of BGS since morrowind and love starfield. You like other BGS games you'll probably like Starfield too.

[@HelloItsJacob]

Exactly, its definitely a beth game, and I like beth games. Yes they have their flaws but I've never been bored playing one and I love the modding aspect of their games.

[@RKGrizz]

I love Skyrim but refunded Starfield after 20 hours in pre-release. They basically took out the exploration, and the combat is worse than FO4. I'll come back in 2 or 3 years for the modded experience. Right now it feels like PG Cyberpunk meets early No Man's Sky.

[@skorne741]

Let's not strawman Starfield's shortcomings strictly on the culture war/console wars. The game's boring, there's no excuse for that for how long it took to make and from a studio like Bethesda.

[@markomejac8172]

Preach!

[@bootlegpete7984]

After 30ish hours of Starfield i honestly started to get an urge to install Skyrim again and just playthrough that instead, and i haven't played Skyrim in years.

[@zucottimanicotti6450]

That's what I did. I uninstalled starfield to make room for a 300gb mod list for skyrim. Having a lot more fun than I did with my 70 hours of starfield.

[@samuelcaron2256]

@@zucottimanicotti6450 "Bro i swear skyrim with over 500 mods that were made in a period of over 10 years and with all the DLCs is a slightly better game"

[@jimster1111]

well until bethesda releases full modding tools to the public for starfield all were going to get is ass and titty mods, so skyrim with 500 mods might be better than starfield with 500 mods for a while.@@samuelcaron2256

[@pira707]

I played for like 2 hours and uninstalled and refunded and loaded up a 2nd elden ring playthrough

[@zucottimanicotti6450]

@samuelcaron2256 Not slightly better, probably more like 10 times better. Vanilla Skyrim was like 3 times as fun. Maybe someday modded starfield will be fun when you will need a 6090ti to run it.

[@jakedalton3352]

I’ve not got far into the main quest but just finished up the uc faction quest and it was really good a lot better than the main story ngl

[@Frosted_Over]

Yeah, hot take, but I think that the vanguard quest line is one of the best Bethesda quests I have played. Idk why but I was so captivated in the quest from start to finish. Also the climax is really awesome ngl.

[@scorcher117]

right, I put off that first vanguard mission for a while to do other things because "go to a colony to fix the radio"? meh, then I did the first quest part and was like "wow they really nailed this!"

[@jakedalton3352]

@@Frosted_Over yh fr I kept rethinking if I wanted to snitch on the guy or not actually invested in the out come

[@Frosted_Over]

@@jakedalton3352 yeah that was the first time in a Bethesda game where I was engaged and interested where it was going, it was also just really good for lore gives you a lot of understanding what the politics of the game look like between UC and the other major factions.

[@gracecalis5421]

​@@Frosted_OverHonestly, my heart dropped when your audience with the Cabinet was cut short and the building went into full lockdown. After how much they were playing up the Londinion incident, it genuinely scared me that it was about to happen again.

[@gabrielponche]

If you're someone who's into RPG's and heavily into the roleplaying part, you don't need Asmon's validation on your RPG games. Asmon never play these RPG games for the roleplaying aspect, he plays them for the action and the 'wow' factors as he keeps mentioning. Which basically means that he's the last person I'm going to take into account when judging if a RPG game is good or not, honestly. Nothing against Asmon, but I think that from the way he plays Starfield he's one of the least qualified people to judge if a RPG is good or not. His arguments for the game being bad, like Sarah talking about her life or whatever just validates this even more, how is that even an argument to the quality of the game. If you're looking to shoot stuff you can just go do that, nobody is forcing you to listen to any dialogue that you can simply skip or ignore. He haven't finished the game, haven't done most of the side content and is already giving the game a score. If you wouldn't take anyone's opinion seriously based on these criteria, then don't take his either.

[@punkbrutus]

It’s not as bad people make it out to be. Just fools on KZbin with their failed attempts to critique a game that are not their genres. CoD players should stick with their toxic shooter games.

[@BuckleNuckle]

I think Starfield must have stolen a pound of indica from these haters.

[@punkbrutus]

@@BuckleNuckle hah!

[@punkbrutus]

@@BuckleNuckle hah!

[@BuckleNuckle]

@@punkbrutus 😝😝😝

[@TheTYBAM]

The amount of content the game offers is well above average. The problem is all that content is average to downright terrible.

[@recur9245]

It's no where near as bad as it's made out to be I love it

[@Xbob42]

It's far worse than it's made out to be I hate it

[@lalolanda8458]

Its nowhere near as good as they make it out to be either. It's fine. Nobody will remember this game as a historical moment in gaming.

[@vladslavtsisyk9459]

asmon has to do what is a good game tier list

[@plushpc5992]

That shit would be a pathetic list to like 80% of gamers but yes I agree lol

[@YazzPott]

Anime Gachas S tier Everything else F tier

[@Tracer73866]

He didn't even play RDR2, how can he know what a good game is?

[@Originalchili]

​@@Tracer73866buh he izzz muh fav steamer, he nos evrythng

[@Mike-wc3jo]

@@Tracer73866you expect hime to play that snore fest ?