Is Superhero Movie Fatigue Finally Happening?

[@chaserseven2886]

I'm more personally fatigued by how expensive going to the cinema is

[@colling.7023]

For real. I’m so glad I don’t have kids to have to buy tickets for as well as my own, or it would just be way too much.

[@EmperorDxD]

Preach

[@faroffgrace5490]

Now this I can agree with. I haven't seen Shazam 2 yet but I really liked the original. Thing is, I've been putting off seeing it because cinema tickets cost a lot of money. And I've seen quite a few films in cinemas at the start of this year; Antman 3, Puss in Boots 2 twice, Wakanda Forever... Generally that's more movies than I usually see within 2 or 3 months. I'm not fatigued with super hero movies. I still have a lot of fun with them. I liked Thor: Love and Thunder, which got a lot of hate particularly on Twitter. I am getting pretty fatigued about going to the cinema though. It's an expensive process to watch films that will release on blu ray and streaming a few months later anyway.

[@thesnipingspider3852]

@@faroffgrace5490 yeah I’m in the same boat. There’s a lot of movies I wanna see in theaters like creed 3 and scream 6 and John wick 4 and he’ll even the Mario movie but they’re all So expensive

[@jturner2577]

We can all agree on that.

[@Sp1990-x8u]

I don’t think there is a superhero fatigue, but a sharp decline in quality. The Boys, Invincible, The Batman (all considered good) haven’t had any problems in the box office and ratings.

[@rl8259]

Eh Invincible wasn’t exactly a ratings hit either and The Batman didn’t exactly break records. Only The Boys was a genuine hit

[@BaithNa]

Dame with Black Panther 2 and Spiderman No Way Home. Only the bad movies or movies about minor characters fail at the box office.

[@ez6888]

@@rl8259 there is a vast canyon between not having “any problems in the box office and ratings” and “breaking records”. You haven’t said much of anything.

[@rl8259]

@@ez6888 If not being a failure is considered the bar then we’re not even close to CBM fatigue

[@ez6888]

@@rl8259 there is also a vast canyon between “not being bad” and “breaking records”. You have a very weird way of viewing movies. Like either it’s made 2 billion dollars or it’s worthless

[@sheepinatree]

I think fatigue from the saturation of media is certainly occurring, but I think the most important cause is the varying quality of projects. After all, if all of the movies and shows were all enjoyed by everyone, then would people be nearly as tired of them?

[@pef6469]

well... yeah, because this was being talked about since phase 3

[@PrettyGuardian]

I agree with you. The big studios have burnt through a tremendous of goodwill with their fans by releasing products that, almost in spite of their big budgets, are egregiously below par.

[@Im.myfuture]

@@PrettyGuardian Agreed, though I do think that the fact that a majority of projects being subpar could lead to all around fatigue, and there NEEDS to be a major shift in the genre if they don't want that.

[@zippymufo9765]

This wasn't going to last forever. There was a time when superhero movies weren't that popular, and a time will come again where they're not that popular. Culture isn't static and it's not always easy to see where it's going.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

there isnt much new

[@raphaeldelaghetto85]

I think superhero fatigue is a symptom of critics not fans. Audiences will just skip bad ones or the ones they don't care about, but the critics have to see everything.

[@powerincarnate6783]

It's both, like others have said, it's like the western movies, it's not that people are going to be jaded and complain that there's another movie, people are just not going to be interested in the same way, good movies are going to make money, but it will be harder, in the end producers are going to stick to those only and they will become scarcer, and without a big fuzz the era of superheros will give way to the next trend.

[@raphaeldelaghetto85]

@@powerincarnate6783 Naw. Westerns are intrinsically tied to a specific era and aesthetic, making them much more one dimensional. Superhero movies on the other hand are perfectly malleable for big screen story telling b/c at their core, they’re just stories about good vs evil. You can make a gritty crime thriller that’s also a superhero movie (The Dark Knight) or a sci-fi action comedy (Guardians of the Galaxy), and everything in between. They’re not going anywhere for that reason. You just can’t expect them all to be winners as is the case with film in general.

[@nobobynnobody]

We cannot deny that there's a palpable collapse in enthusiasm for new Marvel movies. I personally wasn't too bothered with Phase 1 but Marvel won me over in the lead up to Endgame. Since then I haven't cared much - it just seems like they are replacing top-teir talent (both in front and behind the camera) with rank amateurs. People will still go to see these movies because there's not much else to do or see. Although it does seem like there's finally some variety of options in the cinema again.

[@powerincarnate6783]

@@raphaeldelaghetto85 Superhero movies ain't going to disappear, it's the era of superhero movies what is coming to an end, it just means that there will be less movies made and people will be more interested into the next thing, cinematic universes may no longer be a thing, but standalone movies will continue to be made, as before. And no, western is more versatile than superheros, western can be action, romance, drama, comedy, Sci-fi, tragedy, musicals, crime, war, horror, fantasy, etc. and it can even be historical, that with superheros is not possible, also the fact that they can be more realistic attracts people that is not interested in fantasy.

[@raphaeldelaghetto85]

@@nobobynnobody Yep. There was no way that wave could last forever. As a sports fan, the MCU post Infinity Saga kinda feels like when a championship team goes through a rebuild.

[@TalysAlankil]

i think it's not "superhero fatigue" so much as "people realize that you don't actually to watch all of these to watch the next avengers/justice league movie and therefore skip the ones they're less interested in" which i'd argue is a much healthier place for these movies and the industry in general to be in anyway

[@muneebkayani5285]

I think we just want good movies, which is why The Batman, was not even in the discussion of superhero fatigue

[@invisiblefan2387]

I really just want more interesting superhero movies instead of bland mediocre movies.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

As long as they're not the Grim Dark or blood and sex variety. I got tired of those like 15 years ago.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

​@@katherinealvarez9216 What do you define those as? Invincible and The Suicide Squad are insanely bloody & or gory but have very heartfelt well-told stories. Young Justice was just telling stories of grief and human trafficking at its peak (I still hope with all my heart Gunn renews it). And I assume there are other examples that I am missing since I haven't watched everything out there.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 I mean like The Boys comics. Or whatever the 90s was.

[@Antwannnn]

@@katherinealvarez9216 what r rated comic book movies did you see 15+ years ago?

[@katherinealvarez9216]

@@Antwannnn I'm talking about comics. My apologies for not making that clear. and yeah, I really started to hate the grimdark stuff after I was no longer a teenager.n

[@burgergud2804]

It’s not about how many comic movies comes out, it’s about how good/great those movies are. I don’t have super hero fatigue, I have mediocre fatigue lol I still watch the mcu cuz I love it but slowly that fatigue is coming for me

[@ReINKarnate1]

I don't think superhero fatigue exists 100% because I guarantee that stuff like Guardians 3 and Across the Spiderverse will most definitely not flop

[@baalwadi]

After Ant Man, I am highly sceptical of how good Guardians 3 is going to be

[@greedyyawgoo5635]

For all the movies u choose, u pick up Guardian 3...

[@2playusout]

Across the Spiderverse cannot be grouped with movies like Ant-Man or Shazam, it actually has soul. Guardians 3 is gonna flop hard

[@Fourtgru123]

​@@2playusout Quality wise, that's debatable. I have faith that Gunn will properly end his trilogy and hit home with it. Financially, it definitely will not flop. People care about the Guardians, and it lives in its own bubble within the MCU, so it sort of dodges the MCU fatigue.

[@fleef69]

@@baalwadi thankfully Chris Pratt said guardians vol 3 has been testing really well in a recent interview so I think it’s safe for us marvel fans to have at least a little bit of faith lol. James Gunn is one of the most trustworthy directors in Hollywood today imo, at least on the comic book/superhero side of things.

[@LoopcrateAudio]

I don’t think people are really “fatigued” from superhero movies. They’re fatigued from the formula that Marvel has created for their movies/shows. Movies are art at the end of the day. And whenever art becomes formulaic, no matter what the industry, people are going to lose interest.

[@LoopcrateAudio]

TLDR: Give me a Marvel movie that doesn’t feel like a Marvel movie. Switch up the formula. We need something fresh, new, and exciting.

[@rocketrakkor9424]

@@LoopcrateAudio Eternals is very different and was still poorly received

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

​@@LoopcrateAudio Phase 4 has been very diverse (in structure) and has been the most poorly received phase. Moon Knight, Loki, She-hulk, Wandavision, and What-If are completely different genres and way out of the norm for Marvel. Eternals, Multiverse of Madness, & Spiderman No Way Home all broke up that traditional film structure. And yet it was a coin flip for if audiences liked these and one of them is only liked because the director has an army of fanboys. Shang Chi, Black Widow, + Thor Love and Thunder all followed the "Marvel formula" but people LOVED Shang Chi and derided the other 2. And Monster by Night was completely different but people only talked about it for the week it came out. Phase 4 has been super diverse but everyone seems to hate it. This is the only phase to put out stuff *I* like and look back on fondly but I never liked the MCU. Phases 1-3 in total were way more similar than Phase 4 was month to month.

[@ThatGuy-jj3kz]

@@rocketrakkor9424 The new MCU movies need to be different but still familiar. That's what's been missing in Phases 4 and 5.

[@LoopcrateAudio]

@@rocketrakkor9424 Eternals: introduce superheroes, main character struggles to learn their power, big 3rd act CGI fight, superheroes win in their nice new super suits (gotta get those merch sales) Yes it’s different, and has some cool sci-fi elements but the baseline storytelling model is the same as all other MCU movies.

[@andrewfollette5342]

I think it's several factors. There's too many superhero movies since the pandemic started that are very mediocre or mixed in their response despite maybe being successful at the box office. I liked Multiverse of Madness, but it along with Black Widow, Thor: Love and Thunder, Eternals, and Quantumania have mixed to negative responses based on the reactions I have heard both in my personal life and read online. The Disney+ shows largely worsen this issue. But also, right now it costs like $17-$20 for ONE movie ticket, I think a lot of people are picking and choosing what they see now. I know for me personally, I did not see Shazam 2 because the trailers for it seemed so generic and lacking what I liked about the original. I think people just want solid films with great characters they can emotionally connect with.

[@melancholyentertainment]

I completely agree, and with the mention of Shazam 2 and trailers I’d like to say marketing isn’t that great lately either. Most people probably didn’t even know Shazam 2 came out unless they’re on Twitter or something even though general audiences loved Shazam and would have likely lined up for a sequel if it were marketed properly. WB has always had a problem with marketing their DC movies ever since the aftermath of Justice League (looking at you Birds of Prey). And I think it’s only gotten worse with all they’ve had going on behind the scenes. Hopefully the new DCU is marketed better at least but we’ll have to wait and see.

[@alexdawson4571]

I agree. People don't want to consider inflation's a factor, but it most certainly is. And despite internet culture, Hollywood forgets that word of mouth can still make or break your film. You add in the fact that the general public and fans (like myself) are annoyed with the recent drop in quality of the MCU and...is it any wonder why Quantumania tanked. Hopefully, with Iger zeroing in on Marvel now they can get back on track. It's not too late to save the franchise, in my opinion. They just need to pump the brakes on this convoluted Multiverse Saga and let the characters have their own adventures again...then you can start setting up the multiverse stuff in the credit scenes (like they used to).

[@bdonovable]

Speaking of the price, Movie pass was a bubble that skewed movie-going upward by decreasing price. Then that bubble burst, the infinity saga ended, then COVID and then inflation.

[@ourwalkstogether]

yeah movie pass failed but the chains have their clubs, at least AMC does. for the price of 1 movie you can go to 3 a week. Completely removed the bite out of going for me. I see things I know are probably bad because I can and just like goin... and want to squeeze out all the value lol

[@bdonovable]

@@ourwalkstogether i have been thinking of doing it with regal. There ar no amc's where I live. My favorite Theater is movie tavern but there is only one of those near me and it isn't that close either.

[@rl8259]

I’ll believe Superhero fatigue is happening when Guardians, Spider-Verse and Flash flop

[@kierantobin4553]

If spiderverse flops I'll eat my shoe

[@andychiu860311]

I think the fatigue is happening, it’s just not something that will show for every movie. Good superhero movies will still bring in a lot of money, but the more mediocre ones like quantumania and shazam 2 will start to struggle. People aren’t going to decide overnight to not watch any superhero movies, but interest is declining overall.

[@jude4581]

@@andychiu860311 I think that’s the best takeaway from all this

[@EmperorDxD]

​@@andychiu860311 what antman made about how my j hit always made around 500 million that basically what it always does

[@andychiu860311]

@@EmperorDxD I have no idea what you’re saying, but sure

[@chillindylan6497]

In all the videos I've watched regarding Shazam 2, I haven't noticed one person talk about how truly competitive the boxoffice is at the moment, especially in relation to inflation. Seriously, we're now back to having a new big title drop every week and it's never been more expensive to go to the movies. It's basic math!

[@ImpaktNY]

No. It's mediocre movie fatigue. Seriously, we've been having this conversation in between mediocre superhero movies before the next good one when we say superhero movies are in a good spot again for like 15 years now.

[@burgergud2804]

FINALY ye, around age of ultron super hero fatigue was already a thing, the thing is marvel put banger to banger of films, thus why fatigue wasn’t really the issue.

[@ImpaktNY]

@@burgergud2804 You contradicted yourself. If Marvel put out banger after banger, as in things people watched and enjoyed, superhero fatigue was not a thing. Ultron was another mediocre movie I was talking about.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

​@@ImpaktNY I think they were saying Ultron was the origin point for fatigue because it was mediocre. But then the MCU relieved that fatigue by putting out really good movies again right after that.

[@ImpaktNY]

@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Yes and I'm saying there was never fatigue. There was just a negative reaction to a mediocre movie like normal until the good one. Normal stuff, not indicative of an overall trend of fatigue.

[@burgergud2804]

@@ImpaktNY nah they were already fatigue search it up, it never became a big deal cuz how great phase 3 was with the films

[@Sam_on_YouTube]

John Wick is more of a super hero than Shazam anyway.

[@ДимчоДимов-ж7е]

John Wick is an anti-hero.

[@ZachBobBob]

Streaming is a pretty big factor in this. If I can wait a few weeks to see Shazam at a home I'll just see it at home. That window between cinema and home release needs to grow again to make seeing a movie in the theater more important.

[@johandrytenias1725]

I do believe in the fatigue because it's not necessarily about people not wanting to see these movies anymore, but is more about people not caring as much as a couple of years before, and it isn't really a matter of quality, I'd say if a movie like Shazam 2 or Ant-Man Quantumania would have come out back in 2008 or 2012, 2014, they would have been huge. But now, it's like "Do I really need to see a Shazam movie or another Ant-Man movie?", "Will I miss anything if I skip the first two weeks?", "Will I be left out of the conversation?", and the answer is no, there is no conversation other than the box office or the bad reviews. No one is talking about the next aventures of Billy and his Shazam family, or how does Ant-Man's new chapter fits into the MCU saga. People don't care about those questions anymore, they just see there's a new superhero movie available and they go to check it out only to find out the movie isn't really good. Now and then there comes a superhero movie that is actually really good, like Joker or The Batman, but that's just a movie that happens to be good. What I'm trying to say is that at the peak of the superhero fever you could afford to have mediocre movies like Shazam and Ant-Man and still do good at the box office or atleast have an exciting conversation about the movie itself, but now they have to be masterpieces only to break even or be talk about for more than a week. That's weird.

[@blurryperson2685]

I think we just expect better stories. A lot of these would have passed in earlier phases but we want better stories and character work

[@alexdawson4571]

Agreed. I didn't go to Multiverse to watch Wanda turn into some psychotic bitch whining about her kids, I went because I love Doctor Strange and I wanted to see the next chapter in HIS story. What I got was an arc that, while not bad, felt incomplete due to the absolute clusterfuck of a production that movie had due to Kevin Feige's meddling.

[@gregorygeorge8695]

I think a fatigue is starting to set in, but not for us, I think this fatigue is setting in at the production level. It really feels like, with each of these new films, the people that made them did not really *want* to make them. How could these movies be so lackluster recently other than the filmmakers and staff no longer having that *drive* that has people willing to pour their heart and soul into their work. If it is true, that these movies are being made by people who either no longer wants to make them, or by people who don't care enough about the material to really try right from the get-go, it 100% makes sense that we, the audience, would feel that lack of care intuitively when watching these movies. Edit: there is the studio control component to consider as well. It might be entirely possible that everyone that makes these movies really do want to try their best and make these movies as good as possible, but are being severely limited by the studio with endless lists of new prerogatives to satisfy their employers (and further to satisfy their investors), like releasing movies way before their actually done and being satisfied by lackluster writing and CGI to make the difference.

[@HeyJay2000]

I do think there is a hint, a small hint of Superhero fatigue. I still love Superhero movies and I've loved them since the Original Raimi movies, but people just don't talk about Superhero movies like they used to. On the Internet and in real life. Like most people I know who were huge fan when it came to tye MCU like 6-7 years ago say that they haven't seen anything since Endgame. It reminds me of when David Tennant left as the Doctor, I still watched Doctor who and so did many other people, but there was a drop of intrest when it came to a lot of fans and the general public. That's not me saying Matt Smith wasn't popular because he sure as hell was, but people did slowly stop watching. And when it came to Peter Capaldi and Jodie Whittaker, unfortunately the intrest was pretty much gone. I think that will happen with Superhero movies and MCU, I think after the Multiverse Saga has finished the intrest will basically be at it's lowest so far. I think Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars will having everyone talking again, just like people did with Day of the Doctor. But then it will drop after that. And maybe (hopefully) a studio, even if it isn't Marvel, can bring Superhero movies back. But I don't think that will happen until 2038. I think Superheros movies have to take a break for people to miss them. Same thing also happened with Westerns, they were massive back in the day, then died out and now surprisingly more recently that type of genre does have people talking again. Westworld and Deadwood and even Yellowstone has similar vibes and people love/loved those shows.

[@brobs0463]

I felt the Marvel fatigue with Antman when none of my friends wanted to come see it with me because they heard some bad things about it. These are people who have been massive fans for years and came to see all mcu films on open night until Wakanda forever. There is a general tiredness among the public because the mediocre films are out weighing the good ones

[@TreFKennedy]

I think there’s a triumvirate of forces working against comic book films atm, 1. VFX houses are being burnt out , 2. Directors are saying they want nothing to do with comic book films, and 3. Actors are opening mocking comic book films/ over invested fans are mocking actors and directors for not likening comic book films, these are rough seas ahead of us as a comic book culture , all it takes is a string of good comic book films to swing it back in our favor

[@actuallynotsteve]

Been happening for years, they're making movies about characters nobody has ever heard of.

[@timogul]

Yeah, pretty much. And on top of that, factor in that the pre-Endgame movies were _building_ to something, so each movie doubled down on the potential of the last, and the movies immediately after it were epilogues to it, so they all worked together to raise all ships. Since Phase 4 was not really building to anything, since it was mainly focused on B and C-tier properties, of course it would not do as well as the massive Endgame period.

[@odd-eyesdragoon]

I don’t want to pay money for what feels like watching the same thing.

[@chakryand]

I think the general audience fatigue is with Marvel's generic formula and DC just putting out bad movies. BOTH studios need a lot of work. Wakanda Forever (to an extent, because the movie lacked memorable action sequences and had a boring 3rd act) and The Batman proved that if done right the critics won't turn on your movie. There just needs to be something there atristically and narratively. Actually try to create ART.

[@suto5704]

Good video. I agree that superheros can be so diverse and broad with the stories they tell its just about getting the right creative(s) behind the project and letting them cook

[@angryjack7963]

Me personally, I think most people just grew up or most just burned out from superhero movies in general

[@Fishcansnap]

Lowkey how Wick isn’t dead yet, he’s basically a walking superhero

[@Thurban]

I also felt way less compelled to go see it after the announcement of the DCU reboot. It feels like, "what's the point?" I'm really just waiting for that to officially start up so I can maybe invest some interest again.

[@Christian_Ada1]

There's fatigue. We have TV shows galore TV, films and now having two separate Batman solo films going on simultaneously yes it's OVERSATURATION.

[@genericavatar5785]

Shazam 2 takes place in the universe that is going to be rebooted

[@aishaalamoudi599]

Genre fatigue means even excellent films in that genre underperform cause it's the genre and not the quality of the film. The Fablemans is an example of the "genre" being the issue; it's a brilliant film but this genre doesn't do well in theaters, not with streaming. Most people now reserve going to theaters for spectacles that justify the big screen.

[@bdonovable]

Inflation and long run times are killing cinema. Sucks because Zachary Levi and Paul Rudd are two of my favorite actors in the superhero genre. Happy for the Keanu Renaissance.

[@nightblockprimecraft9284]

Personally I haven’t experienced superhero fatigue because I’m such a fan. I’m also someone who looks at films with a positive slight, I found Ant-Man and Shazam both enjoyable even if I saw a few issues with Ant-Man and thought it could have been handled much better

[@markchapman6800]

Ant-Man III could have been handled better by waiting and making it the Fantastic Four movie that it should have been, for example.

[@jayvo9218]

​@@markchapman6800 right I feel like the Ant Man plot and fantastic 4 plot should've been swapped. They should've introduced fantastic 4 instead of waiting till phase 6.

[@lordofninjas1]

I agree. the internet really seems to like doing that, saying things are certain ways just because they want them to be and not picking up on nuance and stuff like that. I think part of the "Superhero Fatigue" thing includes the shows. Yes, you were speaking just about the movies, but I think most who say that also include the shows as well. People also forget that the Boys, Invincible, TMNT, and Walking Dead are all Superhero and/or Comic projects (mostly cause they aren't really Marvel or DC), and people don't have fatigue with them. You mention that it isn't Fatigue, but don't really give any other options as to what it could be, here are my thoughts on that. Marvels problem isn't Superhero Fatigue, it's three things unrelated to fatigue, 1) they are hesitant to produce R-rated content even though they should have been doing so since Phase 4, especially with the immense popularity of R-rated Comic/Superhero stuff like the Boys and Invincible and their rival DC has many popular R-rated projects and has said they will be doing more. All this causes them to make their already loyal and built in audience feel left out and abandoned and are leaving and such cause Marvel isn't making content suitable for them and their age group and such. 2) they are interfering too much with creatives, they aren't letting creatives create. Multiverse of Madness definitely had some "Raimiisms" and such in it, but it felt like Raimi wasn't able to do everything he wanted to do with the movie and what may have helped the movie, and I would love to see what Derriksons pure horror take for the movie was going to be, or like Moon Knight, it felt like the creatives wanted to do so much more with the show but were unable to because of interference and such. 3) they don't give their projects enough time. Many of the complaints about the Disney+ shows fall into the category of "if it only had 1 or 2 more episodes this show would be so much better than it is" and many of the complaints about the movies fall into the category of "if the movie only had like 30-40 minutes more of runtime it would be better", and aside from a couple exceptions, that seems to hold true, Multiverse of Madness, Love and Thunder, and Quantumania were all right around 2 hours, when most of Marvel's other stuff is around 2 1/2 hours or 2 hours 40 minutes, and those three aren't as liked as most everything else, and the shorter runtimes seem to hurt the projects. DC has 2 issues. 1) the old regime handcuffed them. the pre-Gunn and Safran regime had no clue what to do, so they pretty much put a ban of "if a character appears in a movie or is planned to appear in a movie they can't show up in the show and vice versa" and for many projects they couldn't figure out how to do the stories and such and didn't continue things when they should have and didn't end things when they should have. Not to mention we still are in their influence until Aquaman 2, so that's why DC is continuing to not be good. 2) the new regime. Don't get me wrong, in Gunn we trust, what I'm saying is that because they came in and such many are not seeing the point in watching the upcoming movies because it's not something the new regime is using or doing or whatever, whether the project be good or not. Sony's Spider-Man stuff really only has 1 issue, they are just making things to be able to hold onto Spider-Man for as long as they can. Sony doesn't really have any other franchises aside from Spider-Man that they can hang their hat on, so they are going all in on it and just doing whatever they can to hold onto the character and such, to varying results. There's probably other things that can be included in those as well, but those are what comes to mind and such.

[@calebmarmon1310]

I think most people who want to see superhero/marvel fatigue happen at the box office don’t actually want the whole genre to disappear. They just want there to be fewer big budget movies in that vein, and/or more big budget movies in a different vein. And I wonder what it looks like if superhero movies just slowly make less money and get fewer releases.

[@jayvo9218]

Less releases mean higher quality in production. The reason why things suck is because someone in marvel was pushing for all this stuff to come out 3 months after each other not giving people enough time to handle the story or CGI right. Honestly things like marvel and DC or self sabotaging themselves with this quantity over quality stuff. That's my superhero movie fatigue

[@calebmarmon1310]

@@jayvo9218 Yeah I think there’s also an argument to be had that having fewer movies and more time in between makes audiences more forgiving of flaws. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Though certainly not working CGI programmers to death would help both the quality and the industry as a whole.

[@NotDustyDrB]

Never cared about DC out side of Batman, so that's that. With Marvel...I'm happy enough. I miss Chris Evans, Robert Downey Jr, and Chadwick Boseman (really think people are underestimating the effect losing all three actors has on the MCU). But Shang Chi was mostly outstanding. I liked Multiverse of Madness and No Way home quite a lot. And the rest of the pack of Marvel movies the last few years were not really good but I didn't hate them either. I guess the main issue I have right now is the X-Men were always my favorite Marvel franchise, and I really feel like we're twiddling our thumbs until we get them in the MCU.

[@mhawang8204]

Totally agree with you about the X-Men. I was in the minority who preferred a good FOX X-Men movie over any generic MCU movie. I don’t care about the characters currently in the MCU with a few exceptions. I don’t feel the need to see them in theatre, especially when the movies are available to stream so soon.

[@Tuaron]

As a formerly loyal supporter of the MCU in theatres, I haven't gone since before the pandemic. I live far enough away that it takes most of a day to go (even more of a risk in the winter time, which is at least November to April here), and the costs of everything (including gas) are so much higher now that I no longer consider my old "trips to the city" a fun option for a Saturday. It used to be that every few months, I'd drive down just before stores open, hit a fast food place, check out some stores for CDs (which I no longer buy since my new vehicle and new laptop don't accept them) and DVDs (I love physical media but I haven't seen as many films of late that I really want to own, especially with Disney+ and other streaming services) or video games (only a few have come out in recent years that really interest me, especially not at $90ish), catch a film or two, then hit another fast food place on the way out. Nowadays, it just seems too expensive and annoying, so no theatres for me (even for the ones I might've wanted to see, like Wakanda Forever)

[@user-lp3ew1xb5u]

I think, for my part of the conversation, that Disney and DC will eventually sort of wind down their cinematic universes - we'll keep getting Batman and Spiderman movies - and a taste of an expanded universe here and there ... but it will slowly shrink over time, until we all just look at it an realize it's been reduced.

[@johnman8398]

I think superhero fatigue has happened to an extent but not to any significant extent yet. The new Shazam and Antman movie struggling doesnt mean much as both of them are movies in ultimately middling franchises. Like sure Shazam 1 and Antman 1-2 were Ok movies but that's ultimately it, so them not doing so well now isn't really that surprising and has little to do with superhero fatigue.

[@charjabugman]

my biggest thing about the people who cry superhero fatigue is that they’ve been saying it since age of ultron. you’d think if the fatigue story had any modicom of truth to it that it would’ve, you know, happened in the last decade

[@Lanosrep]

Guardians 3 is 100% the litmus test here. The last SIX Dceu films have not been profitable. Marvel is seemingly also on a bit of a downwards trend financially. In the first 3 phases of the MCU, only one film didn't make a profit, The Incredible Hulk. But since Endgame, there have been another 3. If Guardians 3, 6 years after it's predecessor, and loved by critiics and audiences fails or succeeds, THEN we can talk about the genre as a whole

[@no_nameyouknow]

I work with some younger folks, like early 20s, and to me the big think I think is that that demographic specifically doesn't care as much for superhero movies as people in my demo did when they first started making a really big splash 10-15 years ago. Because young people like to find their own stuff, and superhero movies were already established and popular since they were kids. So for them yeah, fatigue is one way to put it. But I still think there is a huge audience outside that demo, both older and younger, and given a good movie I think even those 20 something's can be brought in because comic stories and characters can be quite interesting and fun.

[@busymassenberg2411]

I don’t think that superhero fatigue is happening. What I believe is happening is that the movies we’re viewing aren’t growing and evolving past the generic “every hero is quippy” formula as we, the viewers are growing and evolving. Think about it this way…. if you’ve been eating the same cereal since you were five every morning, eventually that cereal just becomes a routine habit and loses it spark the more you eat it regularly.

[@z-beeblebrox]

"Superhero fatigue" had like a chance to be real around 2008, which is around when the so-called genre bubble was expected to burst after a round of very high profile superhero movies + a glut of fairly mediocre wannabes. Which is effectively how you expect fatigue to set in. I just feel it's important to point that out because 2008 was FIFTEEN YEARS AGO. This is not a genre anymore, this is not a trend. It has outlasted the Western boom, it has outlasted the Disney Renaissance, it has outlasted several huge film distributors, and it has outlasted TWO generational target audiences! It only needs to last for a handful more years and it'll have outlasted the entire Silent Era! This is NOT how genre bubbles work, and people need to give up on hoping that tomorrow it magically will.

[@phantomkitten73]

Superhero movies are obviously not going to "pop", but I do think they're going to slip over the next few years, and will eventually stop being the dominant type of blockbuster they were in the 2010s. 2020 killed theatrical superhero movies, not one cracked the top 10 highest grossing movies. 2021 had No Way Home, but they'll never be able to do that again. 2022, again had three other blockbusters in front of superheroes. We'll have see how 2023 plays out, but Quantumania will definitely not stay on top. This does not imply death, but to me at least, it does imply slowly diminishing returns that will eventually add up.

[@SirLightsOut99]

It’s not super hero fatigue, it’s mediocrity fatigue. I see this situation the same way I do Star Wars: you get all these bad movies and mediocre TV shows that get people super disappointed, so when something like Andor comes along it’s legitimately exciting, which proves that there still life in Star Wars as a property. Same applies to superheroes. The reason that the Batman, the suicide squad, and peacemaker were so well liked was because they broke the mold of being not very good. I have no doubt that guardians three and across the spider verse might stand a chance of doing that for marble. I’m not tired of superheroes at all, I’m tired of these stories not having a clue where they’re going. And sure, we could benefit from more original properties getting a chance, but it’s not like there aren’t plenty of independent films to go around that people could be watching instead of complaining.

[@spritvio639]

I'd say it is more that the Super Hero media is (mostly) putting out ok at best projects.

[@sssspider]

Even ignoring the quality issues, the biggest problem is oversaturation. The MCU drew a lot of its success off the myth that you “must watch everything”. When they were releasing 2-3 movies a year, it’s not too much to ask a casual fan to “watch it all”. When, in the same timespan, they’re now releasing 2-3 movies PLUS half a dozen TV shows, that’s just way too much to expect a casual fan to keep up with. In a vacuum, there’s nothing necessarily wrong with this. However, when they’re spending hundreds of millions of dollars on these movies/shows, Disney CANNOT afford for the majority of fans to only watch what interests them.

[@j-niss]

Literally every person I used to theorise with about the mcu has said to me one way or another "I'm done with these movies" The quality has dropped so far and it shows. Fatigue is real and it's begun.

[@moonverine]

I LOVED superhero movies, the MCU was my fan-dream come true, and I am burnt out by the quadruple threat of Doctor Strange 2, Thor 4, Black Panther 2, and Ant Man 3 (actually liked a lot of Dr. Strange, but forcing Wanda into it was a reminder of studio edicts ruining otherwise good movies). I literally only care about Guardians 3 and Deadpool. I'll wait for word-of-mouth on The Marvels and The Flash. What I'm trying to is that GotG 3 is sort of its own entity from the rest of the MCU at this point, at least in my brain.

[@joncardenas3203]

I would love to see you at the end of the year do this video again. I think it would be interesting, because already just 4 months down the road, you can see some patterns with super hero movies, but also still kinda interpret the tea leaves how ever you want. :)

[@melancholyentertainment]

I think if a “superhero fatigue” is happening it’s less people being seriously sick of superhero movies and their prevalence, and more indifference than anything else in the sense that getting all of these superhero movies isn’t as exciting as it used to be. I still wouldn’t call it a bad thing, I love superheroes and comic books and seeing my childhood heroes on the big screen ESPECIALLY in a shared universe like the comics is amazing. HOWEVER, at a certain point it kind of becomes like comics have over the decades where you don’t really feel the need to catch every one as they come out, you just kind of see the ones you’re interested in or pick them up later for cheaper. And I think that’s perfectly fine. If they want them to be big events again they need to slow down tremendously, perhaps after a break even, but them coming out like they are isn’t necessarily bad either. I don’t need to see every superhero movie anymore and I don’t need them all to be big events.

[@BitingComics]

The last superhero movie that was generally agreed to be really good was the last Spiderman movie and it did around 2 billion. Guardians this summer might be a better test than any of the other recent flicks.

[@Devon2112]

I mean I hate to say it but yeah “fatigue” is the right word to describe what I’ve been feeling. As much as I’m all for another multi movie spanning arc, my enthusiasm is in much more of the “yeah sure, fine” variety. Which is a bummer because there are still characters I still very much can’t wait to see make their silver screen debut. Especially since DC seems to be ramping up. Long story short, now that The Infinity War Saga has concluded and the Arrowverse is soon to be no more, the bubble I think has been burst a bit. Definitely finding myself picking and closing which ones I really want to see in theaters a little more than I used to.

[@nobobynnobody]

------Before Endgame----- Robert Downey Jr John Favraeu Kenneth Brannagh Joe Johnston Benedict Cumberbatch Edgar Wright (fired) James Gunn Scarlet Johannsen Samuel L Jackson Josh Brolin Chris Hemsworth Chris Pratt -----After Endgame---- Brie Larson Johnathon Majors Iman Vellani Letitia White Nia DaCosta Chloe Zhao Kit Harrington Jameela Jamil Jake Schreier Sam Raimi Xochitl Gomez Simu Liu You see my point? Aside from the one-off of Sam Raimi, Marvel Studios thinks they are big enough to get away with C-list talent and total unknowns. Marvel fails to realise that at least part of Infinity War's appeal was that it brought together one of the biggest casts ever assembled in Hollywood's history. And that matters. It's not just the suit, it's the people wearing it.

[@kbreezy1581]

I think one thing people didn't consider before claiming superhero fatigue is that despite currently being a commercial failure, ant man 3 had a franchise high opening weekend of $250 million world wide. This means that it had everything to become the biggest ant man movie. It's obvious that what killed the momentum was bad word of mouth and bad reviews.

[@VexdinLord]

I've been hearing that we've been entering "Superhero fatigue" since Wandavision. People aren't tired of superheroes, they're tired of bad movies that reuse the same formulas over and over again hoping that people will like it because they have a comic character show up. In Quantumania's case, Marvel really thought that Modok and Kang would be enough to keep people happy, but they should know that's not enough now. We need well written stories and actually well developed characters to enjoy.

[@TheGistWithJared]

You’re absolutely right Nando! People grow tired of mediocrity. If something is great, there’s seldom fatigue. We have so much volume of content that the frequency of mediocrity poses as fatigue. All it takes is a banger or two and all will be fine Maybe that will be Guardians & Flash!

[@nerdstuff_99]

I think there's definitely some fatigue I didn't used to watch any movies in theatre except the Superhero Action packed ones. But nowadays i don't feel like going for them. Went fr John wick 4 and it was so good and satisfying.

[@rosesanchez1252]

I think I personally have superhero fatigue. There are some superhero films/projects am interested in watching, but ever since Endgame disappointed me I havent really felt the urge to see them asap. So ive only seen a few things sparingly. I think some people are feeling this way but i think as a whole there isnt a phenomenom of it happening.

[@LikeAFoxStudios]

I kinda really disagree with this argument. I agree that the two most recent superhero films were from series that have underperformed in the past, and I agree that the real evidence might be if Guardians 3 under performs. But I think it’s unfair to say that there’s no trend until a bad action movie does better in the box office than a good super hero movie. That just seems like really specific goal post placement that doesn’t really make sense imo.

[@eyantyler]

I don't feel fatigue at all over it, but I worry about the "bubble bursting" just by the pure size of the MCU in particular. At the beginning, a sequel would come out pretty quickly after the first (Iron Man) and could follow on closely from the same story. Not much time had passed, and the consequences could be felt. Now, just because there are so many projects, it takes so long for a sequel (Doctor Strange is a great example) that the consequences have faded. Setting up Mordo at the end was a great tease, but it just wouldn't work after a 6-year gap, plus a 5-year Blip.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

I also don't think there is fatigue of the concept of Superhero stuff. It is just that the diversity of it hasn't been as apparent. I don't like the MCU. I never emotionally resonated with the characters. But, I fell in love with Harley Quinn in Birds of Prey and her own show. I fell in love with Young Justice and Invincible telling more mature stories. I am also the world's sole Venom 1 and Morbious fan. And a variety more tales keeps me on the edge of my seat waiting for more. Super Hero media as a whole just needs to appeal to its niches a bit more.

[@angelaphsiao]

People have been predicting superhero fatigue since age of ultron. As long as good movies are being made there will be a popular audience for them. Maybe things won’t reach the highs of Infinity War and Endgame again but they’re still popular and fun.

[@thekittenthatwantschicken8018]

and this film genre will still "die" like the western due to oversaturation

[@andrewryan2400-z3d]

@@thekittenthatwantschicken8018 There are so many factors as to why Marvel movies aren’t making the money they used to. Lackluster projects, films like Thor 4, Doctor Strange 2 & Ant Man 3 were not beloved by most people, they didn’t receive good word of mouth so of course they didn’t do so well. Like, if these films were the opposite, if they were well received by both audiences & critics they for sure would’ve made more money. Also, the negative reception of the those movies also affect the actual good movies like Wakanda Forever & Guardians 3, those movies did well but they would’ve made way more money if it weren’t for the films that came before. It’s more expensive to go to the theaters nowadays, it’s not how it was 5 years go. So, audience’s are now more picky with the films they want to see. People go to the movies to have a good time, they are not gonna waste their time and money on a bad film. 3. You have these other big blockbusters coming out the same time as each other, the reason mission impossible didn’t make that much money because it came out the same time as Barbie & Oppenheimer. Both those films had massive hype with all the memes online and it overshadowed MI. Even if these films are really good people are not gonna see all of them in the theater.

[@zerohcrows]

Holy fuck you perfectly expressed my opinion. I was mid typing about how if Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3. fails we'll have a better idea if it's happening then you just said the exact same thing! You've easily become one of my favorite content creators ever since your She-Hulk video. Mad respect for sticking to your opinions and not just following the general consensus on media.

[@SmartypantsTutoring]

I do think there is certainly some fatigue somewhat due to over saturation, but mostly due to a lack of quality.. Well it affect the heavy hitters? To some extent as Black Panther did not perform as well as the first. I just think mildly successful franchises like Ant-Man and Shazam will really be the ones to take the hit. I think less will be likely to run out to the theater to see them. In other words it probably go back to the way it was between say 2000 to 2007. Heavy hitters do well. Small ones do okay or poorly

[@makmotv]

I think that, in order for us to say there's fatigue, we should wait for the box office of the flash and gotg 3,but right now, I think people are more selective. I mean, going to the cinema is expensive, so, if we follow that logic, a normal person probably thinks "Should I go to see this movie? When I already know what superhero movies offer? Or should I save that money for other stuff/movie? Maybe is better for me to wait for that movie to come to streaming (Hbo max/Disney+)"

[@shortbread1818]

I can’t tell if it’s super hero fatigue or just no heroes I care to see in the theatres. But I feel it whatever it is.

[@moreplz]

I think there are alot of people out there that only see 1 or maybe 2 movies in theaters a year. If there is only 1 marvel movie a year that movie is probably going to be the 1 But if there are 3 marvel movies coming out in a year then only one of them will be that one movie And that's not fatigue But it is oversaturation

[@stephenbrame3042]

The only fatigue I feel is from hearing the word "Superhero Fatigue". They've been saying that since the fucking first Avengers movie.

[@melancholyentertainment]

Real as fuck

[@1originalaccountname]

I think the definitive tell if fatigue is real and/or Marvel/DC is done is if Guardians 3 reviews well but does not make more money than the second one did WITHOUT factoring inflation. If it doesn't exceed $775 million at the box office then it's definitively over. If you think that's too much, then consider GotG2's $775mil in 2017 dollars is equal to $952mil due to inflation.

[@BakumanLakuman]

I think people are confusing fatigue with saturation. There is a lot of saturation, but fatigue feels personal at this point, culturally. Like Nando said, most people claiming fatigue want to be done with superheroes. On a tangential note, there needs to be more films and shows outside of Marvel and DC that tackle superheroes. We need different takes. The reason superheroes as a concept can feel recycled sometimes is because Marvel and DC are the only ones really telling those stories. Where are the filmmaker equivalents of Dark Horse and Image? Brightburn and Hancock are the only superhero-esque things that come to mind outside of the Marvel and DC spheres (I really enjoy Hancock, but never saw Brightburn.) Also, I want to see more risks from Marvel and DC. She-Hulk only barely felt like a legal comedy to me. I would like a show that leans fully into horror and just happens to have superheroes, or is exclusively a tragedy. There are elements of these things, but only elements. They're rarely the core and more like ornaments.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Invincible and the Boys are going strong on Netflix. Back in the day for kids/teen shows there was Generator Rex, Ben 10, and Danny Phantom that all took inspiration from it (though I think Generator Rex was literally a comic). We just need some more series like them to pop up.

[@Antwannnn]

When good superhero movies constantly fail at the box office, then sure. Until then, they are as alive as ever.

[@DecoyZ]

I always held this opinion that superhero and marvel fatigue are not real. Because as you said that "Genre" is just too wide, there are too many ideas and possibilities for it to have fatigue. However, I think Marvel (im saying this as a massive MCU fan) and DC have sat on their laurels. I think they got too comfortable, I really liked Phase 4 but I could tell there were some films, shows, or just general choices which felt like "We don't need to go all out right now, we're gonna be around for 100 years so let's spend a whole film setting up something else down the line" basically they were making filler, and I think they KNEW it was filler. this isn't really an insult to it, i liked some of the filler stuff, I ENJOYED Thor 4, MoM, She-Hulk. But some of it didnt feel like "We want to tell a concise story" and instead "We can just kinda do something generally fun and leave the more intense stories for later" which, honestly it makes sense, they just came off the back of Phase 3 and both in and out of universe they needed a break.. to just kinda process what had happened. Phase 4 set up the future and had to finish the past. But I think my point is shown with MoM and Quantumania MoM was fun, I really LIKED MoM, but it didn't feel like a Doctor Strange Movie or a Scarlet Witch movie or an American Chavez movie.. it dealt with Stephens connection to his wife but even that was like a secondary plot point. this film wasn't meant to satisfyingly conclude Wandas story, it wasn't meant to evolve Dr. Strange besides some arbitrary barrier of love. It was a fun movie.. but it didn't go far enough. It didn't come into it with this single vision to complete. If it wanted to focus on Dr. Strange being too attached to the past and his ex? go for it, use the multiverse to tell a story of love that can never work, that would have been an awesome film. want to use this film to finish up Wandas story? Okay go for it, use Wanda and actually explain her reasoning and don't jump ahead. Want this to just be about introducing America? Okay! Do that, specifically focus on America but it was scattered because.. well.. Wanda will show up again, so will Strange, so will America.. so why spend all this time focusing on just one when we can set up multiple things! Same with Quantumania, it didnt focus on Scott and his daughters relationship, it didnt focus on Kang, MODOK, it didnt focus on family, it didnt focus on the quantum realm. yes all those bits and pieces WERE IN the film, but they didn't focus on ONE. "They didn't go far enough" is a pretty good way of explaining this MoM and Quantumania could have been FANTASTIC instead of good and meh, but I think Marvel just kinda.. got used to the popularity, they got used to the power and hype. They stopped trying to make a great movie that sets up things and started making set up which they tried to turn into good movies into varying effects. Wakanda Forever is really good cause it has a goal, it has a reason, a single point to focus on. Riri and stuff was added in to the side but that was just bonus content to the main point of the film. Shang Chi was also good because it did this, it focused on one thing and set up stuff in the background I love the MCU and i think they've realised their problem and will be trying to fix it. So in a few years I think people will realise they're not going anywhere.. but they gotta fix their issues first. the MCU isn't bad, it's just filled with so many mixed bags it doesnt seem like its worth it for the viewers

[@jonrahproductions]

I honestly don’t think Shazam and Ant-Man are good barometers of fatigue. Now, if The Flash and Guardians fail, that’s another story.

[@phredbookley183]

I read an article in a magazine long ago that covered literally this topic. The article came out before...the first Thor movie.

[@SeattleKO]

i think its mostly mediocre superhero movie fatigue. OR we might have reached critical mass on these big IPs and pop culture stuff in general beyond Superhero movies because most of the big tentpole movies nowadays are sequels, legacy sequels, reboots, rebootquels, etc

[@isthisajojoreference]

they're definitely not on to something, people have been saying superhero fatigue since phase 1, don't let them cook

[@jamesscarborough6038]

Black Panther still wasn't that successful in comparison. A sequel to one of the most popular films of all time should not have been beaten out by Top Gun Maverick

[@arturocastroverde3349]

Black Panther is no one conpared to Tom Cruise

[@indatube]

To lump all superhero movies together is as asinine and nonsensical as lumping all comedies or dramas together. We will never "fatigue" of a genre, each movie can be different. We can desire fresh or experimental takes on superheroes or just solid film writing, but it's not the umbrella that is the problem. You can have teen superheroes or horror superheroes or sci Fi superheroes or detective or Western.... Do you see how stupid it is to say the well has run dry? We're tired of safe formulaic derivative films, sure, but superheroes aren't going anywhere.

[@espalier]

I think John Wick is a superhero. He’s kinda like The Punisher, but Keanu makes him likable.

[@classyname42]

nice collab with Captain Midnight

[@wdcain1]

I saw Shazam 2 opening weekend and that theatre was nearly bare. There weren't a dozen people.

[@lorpuz4664]

more than fatigue is a big drop in quality. and if this lvl of quality for the movies continues we will enter the true apathy

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

The flash is really gonna be the big indicator as to whether or not superhero fatigue is actually happening. The only big thing it’s going up against is transformers, and well, it’s transformers, it ain’t gonna be good.

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Even then there is plenty of controversy around it and it was near the end of production well before Warner brought in people to plan a new direction for DC. Until we get to Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars and Gunn's Superman Legacy we probably won't know.

[@arturocastroverde3349]

Also spiderverse

[@nobobynnobody]

Guardians of the Galaxy is less a superhero franchise and more a space opera. It sits within the MCU and there was Avengers cross-over but the 2 GotG films so far have been essentially stand-alone affairs. The GotG characters aren't really superheroes either. They demonstrate moral ambiguities and selfish motives that put them more like "reluctant heroes" than "superheroes". It's a significant point because audiences will see GotG for a distinctly different experience.

[@arturocastroverde3349]

Iron Man and Scarlett Witch are far less moral and far more selfish than the GOTG. What's your excuse?

[@Marabcd315]

I don't think that superhero movies are done but it is noteworthy imo that bad superhero movies aren't extremely successful anymore, the first venom almost made a billion dollars despite being generally pretty disliked which is absurd. I would also say there are absolutely westerns that are as different as Joker and GOTG

[@JamesLawner]

Personally, Quantumania had more of my attention than Fury of the Gods. One thing I really hate about this "discourse" is that it gives Internet Idiots free reign to bully people who still like Superhero Media and/or want to continue consuming it. On a side note, I think it's high time people started looking into more of the other superhero/comic book shows like Doom Patrol, Stargirl, Superman & Lois, Swamp Thing (2019), The Umbrella Academy, Sweet Tooth, The Sandman, Deadly Class (because I believe those shows offer more than what the movies are offering imo.)

[@belakthrillby]

Super Hero fatigue isn't happening. A bunch of mediocre movies have been made so they haven't done well. Shazam was not a big hit so Shazam 2 doing poorly isn't a surprise. It's a lesser known character that isn't part of some larger cinematic storyline. If the larger DC universe storyline was actually working, then more people would want to see it. Quantumania had a 100mil opening and if it was a good film it would have done even better due to positive word of mouth. The writing for these movies across the board has gotten worse.

[@LetsPlaySomeZ]

For me the biggest issue is the lack of surprise and the hesitation to drop big reveals when the iron is hot. Imagine if they revealed mutants with Ursa Major in Black Widow or the if stark tower was revealed to be the Baxter building at the end of which ever spider man movie had Spider-Man fly through that atrium. most of the big reveals come outside of the films during the slates now.

[@Nio744]

I feel like superhero movies will either go the way of the western by slowly fizzling out and becoming a launching pad for the next big thing. Or the way of the roadshow musical by getting obliterated by one huge stinker and making smaller films afterwards.

[@kenny5565]

There's no Superhero movie fatigue just Bad movie fatigue

[@joshsimpson79]

I like the first Shazam movie well enough. I had no desire to see the second in the theater because nothing with DC seems important at this point until they reboot everything. I’m sure I’m not the only one that feels like this. But I do agree there a way too many mediocre superhero movies right now.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

Yes. After GOTG 3, I'm out.

[@theboulder027]

The thing about antman 3, in my mind, is that it's pretty obvious that they filmed a better movie than what we saw, but they released an inferior version for some reason.

[@1ronDragon]

As far as how the western genre ended an oversimplification would be that it was because 1: how Native Americans were depicted 2: Astronauts being the new cool thing (like shown in Toy Story 2) the channel @CynicalHistorian has a good video on it I don't think Superhero movies have had that kind of problem, Phase 4 being the cop phase definitely shows a better ability to change with the times than the westerns did.

[@pinedamartin5767]

People will watch Superhéroe movies if they bring new concepts and stories to the table. The underdog that figth and sacrifice to stop the end of the world is done to exhaustion. They should aim to lower budgets and higher scripts to give us more Logans, Deathpool, Joker, Daredevil, Into the Spiderverse etc... People will watch then.

[@seananthony7494]

Shows like Westworld and Yellowstone, show that The Western never truly died.

[@spiderjump]

It is lousy movie fatigue. I was keen to watch mcu movies after end game but I was disappointed.