IS THE 14TH DOCTOR COMING BACK TO DOCTOR WHO?! [SPIN OFFS, CAMEOS + MORE?-Future of the WHONIVERSE!]

[@HereticReborn]

You’d think 14 would have heard from Rose or UNIT that Sutekh came back and 15 would remember.

[@FeFeVtuber]

Ngl I’d love a Christmas special that’s basically the episode where 14 dies and the episode is basically explaining bi generation

[@bennettnez4711]

Yeah I'm waiting for something like this. In devils chord 15 said his soul was cut in half. Seems like they might sort of.... resorb into each other for lack of a better word

[@DWboy14]

That would be great

[@UranusMcVitieFish-yd7oq]

I'd love an episode where the 12th Doctor wakes up at the North Pole and it turns out all post series 10 episodes (including the 1st Doctor character assassination Twice Upon A Time) are all a terrible fever dream. Not that I've seen any Ncuti episodes as he and RTD both told me not to watch them.

[@daraghokane4236]

@@UranusMcVitieFish-yd7oq He is still fighting the dream lord with the phyic pollen he doesn't know he is still in a dream within a dream

[@bennettnez4711]

@@UranusMcVitieFish-yd7oq go touch grass dorkus, no real fans agree with you

[@w33shy26]

I would love if he returns with Donna and her family in a post credits scene, they see rose and ask how she's been, when she responds with "OH noootthhing, just fought Suetekh" and 14 just does the classic triple "what, What!, WHHHHAAAAATTTT!!!"

[@MrCmsch]

HES RESTING LEAVE HIM ALONE 😂❤️❤️

[@robertholt3996]

Seems like it would be hard to rest while the whole universe is ending LOL

[@MrCmsch]

@@robertholt3996 shhhh he’s sleeeppyyy 😂

[@XxsoapywolfxX]

I mean his story is still going to continue. If my theory is correct, his Tardis may be infected/ possessed/ influenced by Sutekh as well. Remember, the Tardis was duplicated, which means anything that may have been in or with the Tardis may have been duplicated with it while the Doctor's were "in a state of play". However I still believe 14 gets 4's face and becomes The Currator at some point.

[@ItsZ5]

@@XxsoapywolfxX He drowned on an alien planet

[@prosecutorwalton]

I like the idea that he spends time at UNIT doing science for the passion of it.

[@SAMEEDEE56]

I think 15 has 14s memories but can’t access them. So he knows that he’s been thru therapy but he can’t actually remember, he just knows he’ll be alright

[@SoulPoetryandOtherWorks]

Maybe a cameo video message, like Matt Smith in Deep Breath, observing events and saying "It's good to see my future is in safe hands".

[@captainstage2009]

I always thought it’d be cool if they had 2 Doctors at once traveling the TARDIS. Maybe just for a season?

[@crazyhorsewest4605]

Part of my loose head-cannon, I love imaginng that when 14 ages, he plays out a similar-version of the 1960s Doctor Who movie with Peter Cushing.

[@boxinggospel5334]

Tennant and Billie Piper still need to do the spin off showing what happened next with them in the parallel world.

[@OhNoACamera]

I'm kinda wondering if he becomes the Valeyard

[@ShayPlayzYT]

I saw a thing yesterday on Facebook and it said on the Xmas special this year that 15 will do a full Peter Capaldi moment where he's really mean according to Moffatt which should be interesting

[@johncarr2354]

I like to see Tennant's Doctor appear in the next episode but has to be reabsorbed into the new Doctor so he can be complete to beat Sutekh

[@samronayne9821]

There was rumours 2 months ago that there was a event and Russel and bad wolf team snuck David though an other door away from fan and press

[@lauriespencer4132]

Yes!!

[@Nicrisild]

I would be happy to see the 14th doctor reunite with the 15th. But I think that this will not happen.

[@Jeannette_741]

well that didn’t happen

[@lauriespencer4132]

My thoughts on this. When 14 biregenerated he was literally split in two. 1/2 the clothes, 1/2 the memories, 1/2 the experience. When 15 split the tardis in 2 (1/2) , I think that it weakened the Tardis . The way to resolve the 2 doctors/ Tardis’ issues would be to have them rejoin to gain powers and then 14 fully regenerates into 15 , ending the mystery. He could always come back as a cameo like the others.

[@DARKFIRE2008]

How would 14 full regenerating into 15 make sense tho like would he regenerate and then just go to meet Ruby at the Christmas special and would the bigeneration even be mentioned like it had been a bit during this season?

[@tchristianphoto]

I respectfully disagree. I don't think there's a "loop" or any such thing. I think the regeneration energy healed 14 and then spun off 15, in the same way that previously 10 was able to heal himself in addition to reconstituting his hand into a full Metacrisis Doctor. Both 14 and 15, and their respective TARDISes, are fully complete.

[@jakjak9797]

I strongly feel that Russell was throwing people off with that comment, he is known to say things that turn out not to be true because he likes to keep the surprise.. I think a 14th doctor focused Limited Series spin-off (of say 4, 1 hour episodes) would be the best use of Tennant. Not now but in a few years. there are dark themes that the titular main series can never venture into, topics and things that are 18+ that the main show can’t explore, but like torchwood before it can expand the whoniverse in a meaningful way.. the issue with spin offs are that if things get serious people naturally ask where was the doctor, so it’s a perfect way of using 14 as the doctor whilst not bringing 15 and the main series into those strictly adult themes. an exploration of how far the doctor would go, should go, maybe even turning 14 into a very divisive doctor as more of an anti-hero, let Tennant show his full range as an actor.. people talk of 14 as working through the trauma to get to where 15 is, but working on your trauma and past isn’t all about sitting around eating scones, jam and drinking tea on the lawn.. sometimes you have to go to some uncomfortable places before you can fully heal. there’s an opportunity with bi-generation to shake things up, keep the audience guessing how things will work going forward-there’s this idea that 14 will just merge back with 15 at some point, but what if that doesn’t happen? what’s the point of introducing something as significant as bi-generation and not utilising it to push the series in interesting directions? again, keeping it limited and different from the main series would mean nobody steps on 15’s toes with likely the second or third series already under his belt by that point imo

[@gabriellegabbynoblecomics3913]

This is the problem I had with The Giggle straight away... What happens next time present-day Earth is in trouble? It would be mad not to call the 14th Doctor in. (The current story also has the added quirk of needing to check the other TARDIS for Sutekh smoke too!) But let's face it... this is the same problem as presented by the Curator too (if you assume - as it's implied - that he is also a version of the Doctor who lives on present-day Earth.) Time to recon them away.

[@Unplugged70]

Agree. If they totally ignore the existence of another Doctor and an another infected - possibly - TARDIS, then it’s a major writing failure. I’m not saying Tennant has to appear. They just need to address why he doesn’t.

[@angusmacfrankenstein7227]

It’s really a variation of the MCU problem isn’t it? Why doesn’t one hero call their buddies in the Avengers, etc…

[@Unplugged70]

@@angusmacfrankenstein7227 True. That is also maddening. I think they had a weird line in one of the solo spin-offs... something like this isn't an Avengers Earth-threatening event... which is such a cop out but at least addresses the wider universe these shows want to exist in. Maybe in Empire of Death we will be told that 14 didn't survive Sutekh's dust cloud thing... but imagine that moment being reduced to an off-screen expositional line. They've really written themselves into a corner with this. Anything short of Tennant returning to help out, even if he doesn't survive, is going to feel weak.

[@BassandoForte]

14 will become the Valyard... The proper doctor becomes the Curator...

[@mrdoctorgilmore]

Personally I think the 60th was the best way to wrap his story, Tennant's Doctor gets the human life he wanted and can pick up his adventures with a clearer mindset once he becomes Ncuti. Regardless of whether he's the most popular Doctor or not, the show needs to move out of his shadow rather than rely on him as cheap nostalgia. Russell has a new Doctor, companion and a massive team working at Unit, they are the characters who should get priority otherwise what is the point in them being there.

[@sirbreadthe1st]

I have been watching your videos every night these past couple of weeks in-between watching classic who for the first time 🔥

[@seeker7468]

Honestly, I can see 14 working behind the scenes, still resting but doing what he can to help out and saving people. Saving the Nobles, and doing his part to save others nearby, etc.

[@Joanna-il2ur]

Rose Noble is a Tudor coin.

[@theIrishGandalf]

I kinda wish they had 14 appear in the Pyramind of Mars along with say Rose or Donna, instead of 15 and Ruby in the upcoming Tales of the Tardis episode, potentially explaining why he doesn’t appear. He is in the Memory Tardis explaining why he isn’t just in Chiswick or wherever sat in the garden.

[@markdaly1903]

its not going to happen. the 14th is not coming back. rtd 2 new era is all about ncuti gatwa s dr.

[@theIrishGandalf]

@@markdaly1903 yeah no issue though it should be about Ncuti completely. Especially with 8 episode run so far (9 if Tales of the e Tardis is included as a sort of mini-sode)

[@R.senals_Arsenal]

I kinda hope in his retirement epoch the 14th goes back to Gallifrey, maybe rebuilds some stuff from the ashes as a sort of therapy. Facing his loss and looking forward.

[@DoctorWhoNose]

Has anyone noticed that Maestro, Harbinger and I think some others, keep referring to the Doctor as "The Lord of Time" instead of a Timelord? Do you think that has something to do with his actual lineage? Could the Doctor also be part of the Pantheon? Maybe he is stronger and WAY older than we are aware.

[@daidai8129]

I noticed that!! I feel like he is the Lord of Time itself and during the “timeless child” all that got wiped so he wouldnt reach the potential of the others in the pantheon. I mean so many regenerations back to back would have someee kinda effect more than likely.

[@patrickhurley5604]

I think he's coming back, but 14 will be The Doctor who becomes The Valeyard 😎 I think the way the bigeneration worked, meant all the best parts went to 15, and all the trauma stayed with 14😎I actually think he's The Boss we keep hearing about 👍😎

[@rinjoo3]

Using the "Russel-English" -dictionary, "He is gone and not coming back" translates into "He is totally coming back someday but im not telling it to you". I doubt he is back this soon though, although the Sutekh Tardis invasion might be related to the splitting of the Tardis into two and that is the only reason i would accept him back next episode or next season. Also his existence creates the possibility for a plot in where he suddenly disappears in future season and Donna Noble reaches the "current" doctor for help.

[@rickandel]

What if tearing the Tardis in half only gives 15 half its power and 15, and his Tardis need to combine forces bringing them together as one again.

[@DougVanDorn]

I think Fourteen should come back, both he and Fifteen realize that bigeneration has been mythical because it leaves two "incomplete" people, who can't survive forever on their own. So, Fourteen will be fatally wounded, and his energy (and being) will flow into Fifteen, who will become the whole Doctor again. Complete with his survivor's guilt, but having worked through a lot of his pain. Since the "salt at the end of time" thing is gonna have to be undone, or else the Universe will be too irrational for anyone, Doctor or no, to save, this will effectively heal the rift caused by Fourteen's misguided maneuver.

[@Jacx_DoctorWho]

1:13 Bro thinks he's Sylvester McCoy

[@UKProgRock]

He will have disappeared somewhere and later be revealed to have become The Valeyard.

[@TheOli232]

Canonically 14, Donna and Shirley are at Unit in Geneva.

[@Earthsinger100]

14 and Donna are in Geneva. David is my favorite Doctor but I love Ncuti as 15. I love his energy and enthusiasm. He's definitely the Doctor.

[@dombyers6379]

Yes I want 14 doctor back cameo 🥺🥺

[@zacbob1149]

In my opinion, instead of 15 bigenerating from 14, he travelled back in time to 14’s fight with the Toymaker on UNIT tower, and help him defeat him (I know that the Doctor can’t go back along his own timeline but he now can due to throwing salt down at the edge of the universe in Wild Blue Yonder). That way, there would still be a multi-Doctor story, but it’s clearer to us how and when 14 will regenerate into 15. You could even have 14 regenerate into the Curator and then into 15, which would tie into what the Curator said to 11 about him revisiting old faces.

[@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852]

14: We only have one chance of beating him! 15: what is it? 14: *winks 15: Fusion Dance! 16: HAAAAAA!

[@brettrigby2226]

personally think the bi-generation thing has caused some form or paradox and they only way to fix it will be to merge the doctor again; upon merging he will become a totally different person

[@alexkimmerly7348]

@TheConfusedAdipose you’re the only other Whotuber I watch other then Whoculture! Love these theories and the the videos are great! Keep it up❤

[@McMomfaceplustwo]

I think you could have Donna come back for a cameo adventure and just say 14 is on a silent retreat with the monks and she was told not to contact him unless she was actively dying

[@markstramtrainbuscapades1729]

With absolutely no disrespect intended to the many other Doctors, there have been two who were portrayed by arguably the finest actors of their generation! One is Patrick Troughton, whilst the other is David Tennent!

[@MrCmsch]

Ncuti also says his soul was split in half in Devils Chord I imagine RTD will address it at some point if he keeps bringing it up esp in devils chord

[@triplejazzmusicisall1883]

Davies saying Tennant will never return makes me think of Moffatt saying he would nevr write another episode. River Song said the Doctor lies. Maybe showrunners do too? I like the companions with different Doctors. Look how wonderful it was with Sarah Jane with 10 and now Mel with 15. I think it mixes things up and creates more interest to see new dynamics.

[@paul_rk_3d730]

This is exactly why bigeneration should never have been a thing, we are always going to be asking where is 14? in any finale from here on ..its just too messy having two doctors! 15 deserved to be the one and only Doctor like all his previous incarnations. I wish 14 regenerated in the traditional way and maybe said something like "I'm ready to go!" ...but ugh we got lame bigeneration instead :(

[@B__C__]

Technically, any of the Doctors could show up at any time, anywhere. We, as an audience, don't follow them everywhere. There are always adventures in-between episodes that we never get to see and just for example the 5th Doctor's observational timeline stretches from Event One the Big Bang to whenever Frontios happens (probably near the end of humanity's time in the Universe when Utopia is happening). Also, nothing says that 14 and Donna aren't on Venus in August of 2347 just "now". Sure they may have gone to Geneva, but did they stay there?

[@angusmacfrankenstein7227]

They are time travelers after all…

[@Nattytom500]

According to the pre-episode social media stuff Donna, Shirley and [REDACTED] were all in Geneva. I am assuming redacted is probably 14 which for this story at least shows why he isn't involved. I don't know whether they'll explain not being able to get in contact with the other bases considering 14 had a tardis and could be there instantly, probably not.

[@MeNoOther]

Same thing, where is Captain Jqck and Torchwood? They should help The Doctor and Unit

[@JulieAiken]

"Who doesn't love Catherine Tate?" Remember her first episode as Donna -- we weren't all sure we were going to love her, although by the end of the episode I did wish they'd give her more time as a companion. Partners in Crime was such a romp and so funny that she was cemented as a favorite character. But at the beginning that was not certain.

[@daraghokane4236]

The 14th Doctor died chocking on food, after he said I have never been hapier

[@thomasbarnett2425]

I say anytime there's that large of an event, he should be brought in, even as just a minor cameo moment, in the background, but even then, I would say any doctor in the time period that the current doctor is in should have a chance to show up, and we know that most if not all the doctors have been to the 2020s

[@juiceDpunk983]

He's separated. It's not a fixed point timeloop despite what Reddit says haha. 15 even said his soul has been split, in the music episode.

[@mattgallagher4924]

Well who's standing at the controls of the TARDIS at 0:15 in this video? Because that's not Ncucti

[@handofsutekh8115]

Harriet Arbinger🤔

[@theonlinelime1992]

@@handofsutekh8115 Oh damn yeah I forgot, yeah that’s definitely her. I thought this trailer shot was confirmation that David was in the episode, so I was wondering why not many people were freaking out about this, but it’s clear now comparing that to the uniform she wears in the last episode that it is Harriet Arbinger. Shame! I was hoping David would be part of this finale.

[@Sam-zu5mr]

I genuinely think 14 should be in the finale as he is still a regeneration of the Doctor and still has the original TARDIS. It makes sense that Sutekh would want to destroy both. As if 15 gets destroyed...14 still exists to stop him. I dont think RTD has thought about that. Plus a threat to the world where 14 is in retirement- would require his attention. For those that say he might be off world- his TARDIS would be aware of the threat and take him home to help out. Sutekh would not allow any version of the Doctor to stay alive. This is a 2 Doctor story arc.

[@marklatture]

If there’s a picnic at the end of the next episode then 14 can attend

[@willhamidi1618]

Well, I have watch an easter egg video (episode 7) on Doctor Who Culture channel, and it looks like in some sort of post episode release it's said that the Doctor and Donna are in Genova during this episode... we got the image of it written on black and white. I would not be against a return of the 14th, but if so it should be done right and serves a purpose. My opinion is that it is now time to rest for the 14th and I don't want to see him in the near future. Another interesting point from this easter egg video is that Susan Twist said: I dream of orange skies pointing out that it could be a reference to the sky of Gallifrey... that is interesting!

[@danjon8799]

I think its a tricky one because it is something I would be willing to watch but again it comes back to this overshadowing. In fact the thing is I think about some of the key episodes where DT Doctor has come back (particularly the 50th Anniversary and The Sarah Jane Adventures) and when he has come back in these shows it has overshadowed because it is about David Tennant. Of course he is charming, witty, lovely but I think its time for a break.

[@catherine906]

I think in the Christmas special the Doctor (15) should drop off Rose, with the Tardis parked opposite the doorway over the street, and Donna opens the door, and 15 waves from the Tardis doors and 14 nods or acknowledges him by sustaining eye contact and a nod (maybe saluting?) through the kitchen window or something :)) and Rose runs into her mum (there’s an exchange of gratitude but a subtle cameo)

[@OltwCFC]

You might not see this but if you rewatch the giggle at 33:25 mel says to donna about using triad, i think thats a cool link to the technology thing to S Triad

[@briandaleske5139]

MY LIST OF FOUR FAVORITE TYPES OF THE-DOCTOR FROM THE (DOCTOR WHO) SHOW: First is the 9th.-Doctor aka (CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON) & the second is 10th-Doctor aka (DAVID TENNANT). The third one, in my favorite list, is the 11th-Doctor aka (MATT SMITH) & the fourth one is, the 12th-Doctor aka (PETER CAPALDI).

[@subtlegong2817]

Gatwa is already tied for my second favorite Doctor, and the 9 Doctor has 24 hours to see if he keeps his spot. 14 can’t overshadow him in my opinion. I can see a future where a lot of the fan base is in the same position

[@ConstintineOOO]

I just want him back to fuse back together with 15 when he's dying for his regeneration to become 15 entirely.

[@angusmacfrankenstein7227]

My best guesses: the Tennant Doctor will either be wheeled out over the next twenty years or so for special appearances to help make the ratings grow, or he’s the spare to whatever heir isn’t doing so hot…

[@Croshau]

Give him a spin-off with Donna and have him regenerate at the end, then make him appear a few times a season like River Song but a different actor each time.

[@TheRealMillennium]

the 14 is still resting, just yank everyone into the tardis, fly out of earth temporarily, eat some jammie dodgers and dodge all the dangers of season finales in the tardis while 15 resolves everything.

[@briandaleske5139]

I also want to know what happened to the 14th-Doctor? And I wonder where is he at?

[@Nicrisild]

0:15 Do you think it's Tennant?

[@MarkDopita]

Aren't there two Tardises (Tardii?) in the Time Window? And didn't Ncuti's Doctor say he couldn't go back there?

[@movingforwardz]

OK, massive cellar of salt time.... I've got connections to staff at millennium plaza in Cardiff, and they told me about filming in there, the same day of the vespa scenes. Those were shot in the road next to the plaza. They said David was on the call sheet.... and that they were shooting the regeneration. Now, we know that clearly not what they filmed, if anything, so please understand it might all be utter bobbins and my contact talking out of their bum. They did send me a photo of a prop left behind that was a sign with a vague London address on it. SW postcode (I'll try and fish it out but I'm a bit OCD with deleting stuff). Personally, I'm in the believe it when I see it camp, but thought id just pass on what I was told! Keep up the fab work. Paul.

[@M3rche]

1:13 bro became the 7th doctor

[@theonlinelime1992]

David will come back eventually, we are still yet to see him regenerate in Ncuti. Alternatively, 14 regenerating into Tom Baker in order to come full circle to defeat Sutekh with the same face again would also be a nice touch. But most certainly won’t happen haha. It’s my personal theory that 14 regenerates into the Curator, so if that were true, that also means that we may never seen David Regenerate, and off screen he will appear as older doctors somewhere along his Therapy regenerations. Tales of the Tardis may be the Doctor revisiting older faces in order to resolve past traumas, which I guess explains the bi-generation thing a bit better, in how there isn’t a literal copy of each Doctor out there, just the Doctor sharing some of the regeneration at various points in his life in order to return to that face, and figure out the trauma of each regeneration.

[@Joanna-il2ur]

I think that’s why he was split so when this one doesn’t work out as poor ratings suggest he’s still there with his own Tardis.

[@TimeLords910]

If with the nobles family then he is taking on the role of the meta crisis doctor who spent his life with rose Tyler

[@speeta]

A tangent: I wish David had consciously played the 14th Doctor noticeably different from the 10th Doctor's personality and mannerisms. What I saw, and still have to dissuade myself of, is the sense of the 10th Doctor having returned. He is supposed to have the experiences of 11, 12 and 13, but stuck with a previous face.

[@adammarrs9266]

Fourteen has plenty of things that make him noticeably different from Ten. He is more childish when he reacts to the TARDIS having changed its interior, running around like any excited kid would at something so cool. He is also more human and open when he expresses his feelings for friends or other people multiple times throughout the specials such as "I love her" or "I love that man" among others. I am pretty sure that Ten would have never done either of these things I've just gone over and explained so yeah. Fourteen did have vanity issues, but to a lesser extent I feel, and he openly called another man hot, which suggests he had bisexual traits which Ten never had as he always only fell in love with women. So if you pay close attention, there are much more differences between them than you might realize. I have to say Fourteen most definitely DOES have all of that added wisdom from during his time as Eleven, Twelve and Thirteen.

[@SnowLily06]

I would've loved if 14 had David's Scottish accent

[@Mark-nh2hs]

​@@adammarrs9266really? I just saw a slightly older 10th Doctor in his mannerisms, but still the 10th just not as energetic 😂

[@adammarrs9266]

@@Mark-nh2hs Well I guess that's your opinion, but to me I know for a fact that Fourteen did have all of those differences from Ten in the specials that I explained above. Yes he did have plenty of similarities as well, obviously, but he definitely had more than enough traits to make him different from Ten as well. Not too different, but not too similar either, just right in my opinion.

[@TheTeamAka]

Why would 14 sleep in donna's house? He still has his tardis which has swimming pools librarys. I think he be more of the neighbor. Also my head canon theres nothing to say hes also not taking the family and a tardis for a walk, a time machine would know not to cross there time lines. Two doctors can exist on the same day like 1 and 15 in the devils cord

[@angusmacfrankenstein7227]

Sounds like the plot of a sitcom: “Somebody go to the shed and get the Doctor to mow the lawn!” 😹

[@WelshRaptor367]

I'd like to see him back in a spin off. Though the spin off would probably do better than the currents show tbh

[@cdaniel11]

Just a few other questions. Is sutek around 14s tardis? If susan triad can remember the dreams, does she remember the events of 73 yards? In the alternate timeline in 73 yards, when the tardis remained dormant afterbthe doctor dissappeared, was sutek still attached to the tardis for the rest of his days? Plan backfired on him if he was because of a few fairies!

[@triplejazzmusicisall1883]

I found that interesting when you mentioned the 14th living in his own house in the novelisation. Would you recommend the novel as I must admit I found the retirement living with the gang an oridnary life hard to reconcile with him being this amazing Timelord (even if it was worn to the ground). Remember when Matt Smith had to stay just for a short while with the Ponds and he almost went bezerk? I strongly agree that Ncuti needs to have his own time and that in such a short season to some extent has not been giving enough time yet. I love 10 but the producers need to be careful that DW becomes viewed by the masses as the David Tennant show. This sort of happened a bit in the eighties with people looking back to Tom Baker. Every Doctor should have their time in the limelight without compromise. My favourite is also Peter Capaldi - great taste you have my friend.

[@crugethstallions9230]

I can't see 14 back in the finale, but he NEEDS to appear, i have two separate theories My original theory is that 14 and 15 will have to join forces in Gatwa's swansong to defeat...something or other. At the end, 15 will be fatally wounded, but discovers he can't regenerate - the two merge, ending 14's life cycle, leaving 15 off at the start of his timeline at UNIT and finally the physical bodies joining and regenerating to bring us 16th Doctor Gillian Anderson (one can only hope) My other theory is the opposite, so instead of neither of them being able to regenerate, both of them can. 14 joins on an adventure and is killed, however in a plot twist, he doesn't regenerate into Gatwa, instead it's...Richard E Grant, as the Valeyard - my only 'evidence' for this is considering Grant appears in the lineup of Doctors, it implies he's before 15, which yeah could just be written off as pre-Hartnell but personally I think it's too intentional for Grant to just be a throwaway Doctor I also recall a leak mentioning something about The Valeyard playing a role during Gatwa's era at some stage, with no season structure mentioned...but do take it with a pinch of salt as the same leak said we were getting Roswell Daleks in the finale Serious theories aside tho i'd love a pc scene after Empire of Death of 14 trying to sneak out of the house whilst Donna is going full mum mode telling him he's grounded

[@bennettnez4711]

Any saints in this comment section that could possibly help us dumb Americans watch that new Tales Of The TARDIS tonight?? I want to watch it so bad. It seems like it will be important for the finale tomorrow, and I've spent hours trying to figure out a way to watch it here before tomorrow to no avail. Super weird choice to ruin the premiere time of the whole show for the benefit of us Americans but not let us watch important minisodes. I'd be happy to wait an extra day to watch new episodes in exchange for being able to stream this show without giving myself a f****** aneurysm

[@mannyegarica12]

If the 15 doctor dies can he bi regenerate as well or that only works for the original body/14 doctor.

[@michelangelomelling4654]

I think it is possible, unlikely but possible. A lot of things have been on about this season's finale. Also rumours about Sean Pertwee as the Third. We shall see how all turns put in less than 02 days.

[@Jeannette_741]

The 2:05 plot hollers were left with the vigilante doctor

[@warrickarnold-archer7649]

I think what would be brilliant is that he misses things now like Donna always does 😂 they’re living together now, and because he spends so much time with her, he would then naturally miss everything like she always does 😂

[@speccowo]

i understand why RTD went with the bi-regeneration thing. I think he was trying to put a close on the "permantly traumatised war hero" thing which admittedly was getting a bit old. However i do wish it was thought through a bit better. So if 14 was brought back just to kill him off, merge with Ncuti etc etc then id be fine with that. I also think although bringing back David Tennant and Catherine in the specials was fun for old fans, it was not a good idea if this was supposed to be a fresh start/new era. Because you'd have to watch the specials to understand whats going on.

[@jamieheald]

i just wish we were given an in-universe explanation for why he shouldn’t come back. id love donna to return and she’s already involved with unit, but how would she do so without 14 and his fully functioning tardis not getting involved also?

[@markdaly1903]

14th had self doubt. i dont know who i am anymore.

[@markdaly1903]

14th was war weary. he had the 10th memories but was less arrogant and manic but he remembered his warning to donnas mum, if she remembers me she will die. i have a memory and its coming back. sutekh was remerging but 14 didnt know

[@WHODoesntPod]

I feel like there's no way RTD introduces the idea of bigeneration (and subsequently, all previous incarnations of The Doctor branching off into their own timelines and not regenerating) if they're not intended for cameos/proper appearances in spin offs moving forward. You can easily see The Giggle ending differently, it was by no means vital for the plot!

[@UKProgRock]

What if it turns out it was vital? What if RTD decided one of the old villains he wanted to use in Ncuti's run was The Valeyard. How would you do it if you wanted to discover their origin without sidelining Ncuti? To me it makes perfect sense, we know that 14 kept most of the darkness and trauma, 15 is "rehabbed". The Valeyard is supposed to be the Doctor's darker aspects. Then add the fact that visually after the bi-generation 15 was left wearing white shirt & white pants, 14 kept the darker trousers and waistcoat. The visual symbolism is there for it to be in play. You could tie it up at the end of the run but having them have to reintegrate in other to become 16 too, completing the 'rehab' and bookending Trial too.

[@L0g0Z0g0]

How can you worry about undermining a doctor that had done NOTHING throughout whole season. Episode one, saved the monster which would kill someone definitely. Episode two, Beatles saved the day(as you do, seeing random piano with flying notes playing a tune and not even checking where it went) Episode three, well he kinda convinced hologram, but not only anyone could have done it, doctor himself still did nothing. Episode 4, well he is not in this one Episode 5, he begs to help but people refuse Episode 6 to busy in love to care about companion in danger. And we know in the finale some woman will save the day. He is legit useless. You can't make it worse, if 14 returnes we will rather have them banging eaj other or someone useful finally

[@ANGELROB_YTC]

He is probably on a planet somewhere in time and space

[@Yoake3582]

This a random thought but 1. How much backdated pay would The Doctor have from UNIT?? And two, do he and 15 now have a joint bank account? 15 has started just having cash on him and 14 possibly got a house big enough for 6 people. They must be loaded. So many questions

[@modtl]

He should stay "gone" in the main TV series but not in expanded media. I want to see 14 in Big Finish ... David always does BF as the 10th so having him as the 14th isn't too much of a stretch. Also maybe some online 2-3 minute minisodes. I like the suggestion of @w33shy26 that would work as a minisode too. I would like though some sort of explanation to where he is in "Empire of Death" - he could be in Geneva leading the UNIT forces there but not seen on screen for obvious reasons.

[@CineScarborough]

To be fair, 14 could just be in another time or on another planet whilst Sutekh is giving humanity his gift of death (Sutekh could have just joined the Tory party to do that).

[@MeNoOther]

The 14th Doctor could be off on vacation with Donna and family in another time. The original Tardis needs a break to Yep, the 14th is on vacation in Venice 2063

[@vadalitarini3799]

Now what if sutekh had possessed the Tardis before the bi-generation. I'm stating this keeping in mind the fact that the Tardis made such groaning sounds in wild blue yonder too. Is it due the same reason as of now? And isnt the 2nd tardis parked in donna's backyard..? That's trouble 😐

[@markdaly1903]

i have a memory of something and its coming back. 14th

[@DMarkond]

Wasn't it theorised disney wanted a way to do movies without being beholden to the tv series? So 14 and Donna are in reserve for if and when that happens?

[@markstramtrainbuscapades1729]

Yes! For the 70th anniversary in 2033!

[@angusmacfrankenstein7227]

Or maybe he’s doing Cameo videos with Rudy Giuliani and George Santos…

[@ziejackson6236]

Never say never rtd don't have plans but I think tennant will always be will willing I think maybe for the 65th anniversary or the 70th

[@TheFuddFactory]

Why do people assume that if someone isn’t on screen they are sitting around? What’s he up to? Big finish! They will let you know when it’s time.

[@UranusMcVitieFish-yd7oq]

Rose is a teenage boy. They are the Doctors nephew, not niece Also, when you said The Wilderness Years I'm sure I'm not the only person who thought 2026 -... As for Tennant returning being a boost in viewership, that didn't work for the 60th Anniversary episodes so it's unlikely to work for future specials.

[@AFCManUk]

Just had another quick Theory that nobody else has picked up on. . . . What if Ruby Sunday is. . . Vicki's Daughter? She travelled with the first Doctor and was also an Orphan!!

[@JohnnyLCob]

*Yeah, it would make no sense to not help in the finale episode*

[@Hamishreacts]

my theory he's in Spain or something and left his tardis at home/Donna's home I think in next episode 15th will borrow his tardis while his is corrupted by sutekh

[@foxmouth]

What if 14 sacrifices himself and dies then regenerates into 15. Seems like the showdown's taking place at UNIT which is where the bi-generation took place

[@Squiddy06]

I still believe rtd is lying to us about him