Is the 2. Bundesliga the best league in the world?...

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[@MaAterOFdisAsteR]

Alemannia Aachen with 30.000 homefans in division 4

[@henningmx2114]

Hope they go up this year

[@Tunixgut]

And nearly 18.000 on average and their stadium has a max. capacity of 33.000. So a German 4th division club (which tbh had a 1st Bundesliga history) beats... 10 current PL teams in total capacity possible 3 current PL teams in average attendance and their highest attendance this season (29.500) beats the total capacity of 6 PL clubs!

[@SchumiGibtGummi]

@@henningmx2114they will. They have an absurd lead

[@whoiam3410]

Crazy

[@PowerTJ]

Aachen auf die 1!

[@lionelhutz4186]

Schalke's situation is like if Tottenham was on the brink of going to League 1 in 4 years, only that Schalke is far bigger. 5th biggest sports club in the world.

[@K4m1K4tz3]

It's entirely possible for Schalke to cease to exisit if they got relegated. The city of Gelsenkirchen is in debt themselvs but also put money as guarantees aside for the club. So it's pretty much a survival game for the entire Gelsenkirchen area and the entire region will struggle in the future if Schalke gets relegated.

[@marcelkuhn5310]

​@@K4m1K4tz3 Im from germany and didnt know that lol. Thats insane.

[@K4m1K4tz3]

@@marcelkuhn5310 I'm a Schalke Fan myself. So the whole situation isn't good for my mental health 😅

[@cv507]

jähäh ´$hläkk öh v5v

[@spinyslasher6586]

5th biggest sports club by what metric? Fyi in the current top leagues, the biggest revenue generators are foreign fans. The reason why Bayern is the best club in Germany is because they get the most TV revenue thanks to their domestic success, and also because they've invested the most in the foreign fanbase. I doubt Schalke is bigger than plastic clubs like Man City and PSG in terms of foreign fanbases who purely chase the trophies and star players.

[@berlinerlegende8933]

Hertha against Schalke had more spectators in the stadium (70.000) than Barca against Atletico (68.000) in a parallel game 🤯

[@FrenoR]

Thats insane 😮

[@spinyslasher6586]

How many watching it on TV though? Because that's where the real money is. Big clubs would much rather use their stadiums for Taylor Swift concerts nowadays (example: Spurs Stadium and New Bernabeu), local fans mean nothing to them anymore. It's all about chasing those lucrative bilion dollar TV deals.

[@antirb9197]

​​@@spinyslasher6586thats exactly the problem in Germany or atleast one of many and one of the reasons why all those giants are not in 1st division. The Tv money is not payed after the viewers but its payed after how successful the club plays football. Schalke surely also has allot of tv viewers but they dont get any money for that.

[@pitue_]

​​@@spinyslasher6586 average tv attendance is just shy of a million for schalke. luckily enough in germany fans do matter and are the most important factor. epl sold their soul to oil giants, bundesliga didnt. the fans literally own a majority stake of every club (except a handfull of clubs noone watches)

[@spinyslasher6586]

@@pitue_ Just shy of a million is nothing compared to the numbers big clubs like Madrid and Man City get. Also come back here when City stops winning trophies with their objectively shit fanbase.

[@mikexstad1121]

Love Bundesliga and 2.BL, been to 5 games in germany, flying all the way from USA. I actually at the 2.BL match when Stuttgart clinched the title. Amazing. German football is the best.

[@philw6056]

Terodde and Ginczek masterclass against Würzburg

[@fck1798]

You need to come to Kaiserslautern 👹😉

[@birni3078]

🇩🇪❤

[@Yohannes5]

@@fck1798 Don't come to Kaiserslautern :D. Shitty city

[@Andi7111993]

@@fck1798 i was at the Volksparkstadion for the game HSV - FCK, (südtribühne, close to the away fans) despite being in such a terrible situattion and losing the game the Kaiserslauternfans really impressed me. Hut ab!

[@sechsluchs7798]

On February 17th & 18th this year, the 2nd german league had more viewers in the stadiums than the first one. You seem to have a point here.

[@bechri9573]

Echt jetzt?

[@ViereinhalGames]

​@@bechri9573 ja, in der 2. Liga waren ca 285 000 Zuschauer in den Stadien und in der ersten Liga ca 261 000

[@bechri9573]

@@ViereinhalGames wow, das ist echt krass, das wusste ich nicht, danke dir

[@spinyslasher6586]

Internationally?

[@edwin7834]

@@bechri9573 Die erstliga spiele waren halt in den kleinen stadien und die zweitliga spiele in den großen, dennoch ist das krass

[@AcidAlien]

Also in the 3rd League the atmosphere in some stadium are more crazy than in England.

[@robin_123]

Tbf the atmosphere in englands lower leagues is often also insane

[@BLINKerlei]

Rot weiss essen

[@Andi7111993]

since my Hometeam relagated to the 3rd division (again....) i often visit 3rd division Games . i cant compare it to england, cause ive never been to match there, but i really love the atmosphere here. ill go and watch the games of my club no matter in what division

[@FortyThousandDegrees]

Easily!

[@davidnielsen5695]

German football is the best in europe tbh, maybe not the actual football, but the atmosfære.

[@young_diogenes]

They might have better players and more money, but the English football has lost its soul due to the heavy investment of oil money. Plus, the ridiculous rise in ticket prices has led to a situation where the real ones can't afford to watch their club live.

[@loyalm2468]

Better players and more money dont make for better football sometimes all you need is a great atmosphere and that's what a lot of german football games have

[@FantasKanal]

Even for RB Leipzig, which is probably one of the most investor heavy teams in Germany, tickets start at 14€.

[@mathis5270]

@@FantasKanalbecause they are irrelevant here in germany

[@lisaruhm6681]

@@FantasKanal That is, to make it look like people are interested in the club.

[@johnjim6793]

Just not to forget that there are also a couple of big names in the Third Bundesliga, like TSV 1860 München or Dynamo Dresden. More than half of its clubs have spent time in the Bundesliga at some point of their history. Some only briefly and long ago, like Preußen Münster, others for years or even decades and more recently, like MSV Duisburg, Arminia Bielefeld or München 1860. Until 2022, Kaiserslautern also spent some time in the third tier and might go there again at the end of this season. I don't know the numbers from ticket sales, but I suspect the Third Bundesliga must have a very high attendence.

[@xSid420]

In third League it is 10.000 without Dortmund II and Freiburg II

[@lukasdrobe368]

Just one Note: its Not the third "Bundesliga". Its Just the third league

[@johnjim6793]

@@lukasdrobe368 "Just one Note: its Not the third "Bundesliga". Its Just the third league" You are right. It is not run by DFL but by DFB, so it's not called "Bundesliga" but only "Liga". Sorry for the mistake.

[@user-op6kt8pg9y]

As a Bielefeld fan the depression is real

[@Unknown-User44]

Seit wann ist Dresden ein großer Name? Noch nie in der BL gewesen. Gute Fans macht noch lange keinen Klub groß...

[@derzool5267]

Talking about history rich clubs in the Bundesliga 2 without even mentioning Kaiserslautern is ridiculous.

[@haulvonpindenburg8183]

It's a disgrace

[@TheFlinkundsauber]

It was place 4? But next year Kreisliga ;)

[@DerGeraet205]

He only didn't talk more about them because he couldn't pronounce the name lol

[@andilitwin7808]

He mentioned a city called KaisaysZlatan. Pfälzisch is not for everyone😉!

[@thorbenhinzmann]

Ihr seid halt nicht so toll wie ihr denkt

[@TheBusbyBabes]

when an investor wanted to buy parts of the bundesliga this season all the fanbases of the german clubs joined in protest against it across all two top leagues, disrupting a ton of games.

[@SapientiaHaereticae]

Thanks from Germany, great video 👍🏻 2. Bundesliga and even 3. Liga have been way more enjoyable than the 1. Bundesliga for a couple of years now.. top flight football unfortunately has lost his soul literally everywhere, so it's great to have such great atmospheres and classic clubs in the lower leagues.

[@HaraldoEll-lk7ul]

Item Classic Clubs: in Liga 2 spielen aktuell.. 7 Gründungsmitglieder der 1.Bundesliga 13 Teams waren schon in Liga 1 dazu noch... 1 Altmeister (Kiel) 1 ehemaliger Europapokal-Sieger, die jeweils ich nie in Bundesliga spielten Mehr Tradition geht wohl kaum.

[@ghostwriter85-iz8kv]

Fun Fact: 1. FC Nürnberg is still "Vize Rekordmeister" (behind Bayern Munich) beeing the best German Team for 9 times.

[@Affenkatze77]

Ja schon, das war halt vorm Krieg - juckt also niemanden 😂 Aber in der Bundesliga ist der glubb (der depp) Rekordabsteiger - das ist doch auch was 😂😂😂

[@hulkgermany4077]

Not really, because Nürnberg won the cups before there was the Bundesliga.

[@method0409]

Dude they were good when the germans thought Hitler might be good, its like a thousand years ago :D

[@nightstorm5914]

Many good players where once young players from Schalke like: Thilo Kehrer, Julian Draxler, Leroy Sané, Mesut Özil, Joel Matip and Manuel Neuer.

[@user-op6kt8pg9y]

Leicester signed Christian Fuchs from schalke and won the league with him, there's so many more too

[@yaneyd93]

@@user-op6kt8pg9y Christian Fuchs is Austrian. He's not from Schalke's academy.

[@louiskohnke2343]

To expand on your point: the five seasons Hamburg has been in Bundesliga 2 they have finished fourth, fourth again, fourth AGAIN, then finally went into relegation play-off by finishing third (but lost) - twice in a row. Ridiculous.

[@loyalm2468]

it's looking like they're going to finish fourth again lmao

[@karagounis9469]

Remember how they stayed in before finally going down?

[@bechri9573]

NUR DER HSV!! 👻

[@SamWinchester000]

And they have led the table or sat on 2nd place for very long parts in many of those seasons, but they've always bottled it ...

[@te-jay6058]

and now they will be 4th again 🤣🤣🤣 HSV really turned into the laughing stock of german football. The things happened there in the last 15 years (starting with the derby weeks in 2009) are just ridiculous. They just can't stop providing peak comedy 🤣🤣

[@piekay7285]

The reason why German fan culture is so different, is because of the way football is structured. With the exception of Leipzig, Wolfsburg and Leverkusen (the latter two because of historical reasons and Leipzig due to some rule trickery) are majority fan owned (even Hoffenheim is nowadays, after the previous owner gave up majority ownership). So fans aren’t fans of the club, they are the club. There is a deeply rooted connection to the club. In England or other countries you have no voice, except for the few percentages ticket sales make up in your clubs revenue.

[@johnjim6793]

It is no coincidence that many German clubs rank very high among the football clubs with the most paying members. Bayern is among the top three (interchanging lead with Boca Juniors and River Plate), and there are eight German club in the World wide top twenty: Bayern, Schalke, Dortmund, Frankfurt, Cologne, Hamburg, Mönchengladbach and Stuttgart, the latter of which has nearly as many members as Real Madrid. All this according to wikipedia.

[@yannick245]

You're completely wrong with "Hoppenheim". Dietmar Hopp was actually allowed to buy the whole club. Because there's an exception clause in the 50+1 rule for long time investors. Martin Kind of Hannover 96 is/was trying to do the same with Hannover. But it got declined serval times. No he was even forced out the presidency. I grew up 10 minutes from Hoffenheim. But even here many despise this artificial club. His plan was actually to build the stadium in Heidelberg and rename the club to "FC Heidelberg 06". But he got in trouble with another billionaire (the owner/founder of Capri Sun). He didn't want to sell him the land where Hopp was planning to build the stadium. Well... today Hopp to 100%. Not the fans.

[@piekay7285]

@@yannick245 You aren’t up to date. Hoffenheim WASN‘T applying 50+1, but they ARE NOW. Specifically since 01.03.2023

[@marje1813]

Same system in Sweden too. Long live the 51+1 rule!

[@yannick245]

@@piekay7285 "Die TSG Hoffenheim ist wieder ein 50+1-Regelklub" "Die Übertragung der Stimmrechts-Mehrheit von Dietmar Hopp (83) an den TSG 1899 Hoffenheim e.V. ist abgeschlossen. Nach der Zustimmung des Finanzamts hat nun die DFL Deutsche Fußball Liga GmbH (DFL) den geänderten Gesellschaftervertrag angenommen. 29.11.2023" You're right! Since November last year, "Hoppenheim" is actually a 50+1 club again. I didn't get the news. I was living in Bammental for ~15 years. So only 10 minutes away from Hoffenheim and the training grounds in Zuzenhausen. Even though that meant Bundesliga football right around the corner, I always hated that a billionaire just bought his way into the Bundesliga. With a little village club. At first, his plan was to create a new club, named "FC Heidelberg 06", with the license of TSG Hoffenheim. But he got into a feud with another Heidelberg billionaire, Hans-Peter Wild. The owner and CEO of Capri Sun _(it's a family enterprise)._ He owned the property on which Dietmar Hopp wanted to build the new stadium, for the new club (a fusion of Hoffenheim and other local clubs like Victoria Walldorf). They couldn't get to an agreement and acted like little children. So Hopp decided to let go the plans of FC Heidelberg and continue with the Hoffenheim brand (exchanging "TSG" for "1899", to appear more traditional) and build the stadium in Sinsheim. Hoffenheim already did belong to Sinsheim politically before (like a suburb). I was born and raised in Heidelberg and although I personally hate the concept of investors, sheikhs or oligarchs just buying clubs and success, I would've preferred the FC Heidelberg project. Two months ago I was watching Hoppenheim vs. Heidenheim, paying only 9€ for a seat and overall just 20.000 people did watch the match, at the stadium. While in the second Bundesliga there are so many clubs with large stadiums, even World Cup 2006 hosting ones (Olympic stadium in Berlin, Schalke, Hamburg, Hannover and Nuremberg), that two weeks ago at matchday, more people on average went to see second Bundesliga matches than at the first. I'm sorry for a player like Harry Kane, that he only only gets to see small/mid-sized stadiums. Because this is what the Bundesliga made so special internationally. Not that we have the top stars/best players and the best clubs. But our large and always full stadiums. With a great atmosphere. Now Cologne is probably getting relegated too. Another stadium with 50.000 seats...

[@robs257]

In germany the worse ur team gets the better the atmosphere ist 😁 dortmund in 2008 were probably a better atmosphere in signal iduna park than now 😅

[@te-jay6058]

this is not that surprising, but for the whole world. When your club is getting successfull, more so called "fans" will come to your stadium only there, because the team is currently successfull. In Germany we call them "Erfolgsfans". Those "fans" will take away tickets from the real fans who then can't get into the stadium.

[@DerEchte31er]

Tomorrow there will be 75.000 Visitors between. Hertha BSC and Hansa Rostock. With 30.000 away fans. That’s absolutely incredible

[@Horrorhorst]

if the Deutsche Bahn doesn't fail, as is feared

[@realHarriball]

Yeah, that's incredible

[@franzhose3167]

Komm mal runter digga.. es sind 60.000 und 20.000 Hansa

[@Malte-yc8tk]

@@franzhose3167plus 300.000 Verrückte aus Bremen

[@DerEchte31er]

@@franzhose3167 ja hab mit Kollegen vom Ticket Service geredet. (Bei Hertha) Der meinte doch nur 60K wegen Puffer. Aber es werden wohl mindestens 25K sein. Er geht eher so von 28,29.000 aus. Weil er meinte dass das die Tickets sind die beim Freien Verkauf noch übrig waren. (Hansas Gäste Kontingent schon inbegriffen)

[@Q-hv2cb]

As a Stuttgart fan the best thing about relegation were the KSC derbies.

[@mw7851]

As a KSC fan I agree ;)

[@user-hi3vu8iw6g]

Derbytime is always best. Although i liked them even more when it was in the Bundesliga ;)

[@mw7851]

@@user-hi3vu8iw6g indeed! Unfortunately, I don't think KSC will establish itself as a Bundesliga club in the near future. Maybe a short visit of 2-3 seasons if we get lucky. It would only work with a big long term investor or getting another Ede Becker.. not very likely at the moment. It would be slightly easier if Hoffenheim wasn't so closely located.

[@robinschenk1799]

Well, as a fan of a Bundesliga-club, that is always close to being relegated to 2.Bundesliga (Mainz), I could relax and say: "What a fantastic league. Nothing bad if you go down." But as tight as the competition is and as ambitious as many clubs are: You don´t wanna go there. It could be your death...

[@jakob9597]

Kaiserslautern has also 4 league Titels an 2 times german Cup winner

[@mw7851]

And are the original Leicester

[@reuben3218]

The Championship / Bundesliga 2 are very similar in the fact that besides the worst 3 teams all teams above* will have probably been in the Bundesliga at some point in recent time making it very competitive / entertaining as many teams aim is promotion

[@eligerus2622]

No. Kiel will go to Bundesliga this year and never went before.

[@reuben3218]

@@eligerus2622 Like Luton then 😝 There’s always an exception to a rule!

[@user-op6kt8pg9y]

The championship isn't too competitive sadly because majority of the time 1-2 of the teams relegated from the prem end up going back up straight away ln the 2 bundesliga it usually 0-1

[@Cryspycrazy]

Thing about Magdeburg is that they are the only east-german team that won a european cup in 1974, and with Hamburg and Schalke you have 3 european Cups in the same league

[@msp371]

Great video! Learnt a lot. Now have an interest in what’s going on in German football. Didn’t realise so many big teams I remember now in the second division !

[@stephanlunden4318]

Bad transfers, bad decisions on the bench (aka coach) and relying on tradtion and a massive fan base. Sometimes you get lazy and other maximize their possibilites (Union Berlin, Heidenheim, Augsburg, Mainz). HSV, Schalke, Berlin maybe bigger but if you make a lot of mistakes and burn your money so have to pay the price. There is a video out there explaning what went wrong with Schalke 04... they burned nearly 200 Million on Transfer by selling (good) quality really low and buying medicore (at best) quality for high prices.

[@vendetta4033]

It is not only home attendance. In Germany most of the clubs have such a fan base that away fans are 2000-30.000, depending on a club and a home stadium capacity. The bigger stadium they play, the more away tickets available and 90% are sold.

[@Rundkugel]

Stuttgart has today 60 points. Same like Bayern and played the relegation last year.

[@kingstonow3351]

German here, it's really nice to see the 2. Bundesliga being appreciated. It's crazy how this season goes. I wish there would be more people like you.

[@virtualwizards8426]

maybe, due to this video, there will be more appreciation for the 2. Bundesliga. i certainly hope so, as a german.

[@SpartanG318]

Remember - as a football fan, good football with good players are cool, yea. But what really inspires you, what takes you emotionally, is the close games and the rousing atmosphere in the stadium. All of this is worth so much more than spending a lot of money buying the best players. The Bundesliga and especially the second division give me all, what a football heart searches for.

[@fabiandollarsign]

I'm a Hamburg fan myself and have often traveled a long way to the away and home games and even though it sucks to still be stuck in the 2nd division after 7 years, I'm sometimes happy to be in the 2nd division with these clubs. Almost every game is an absolute blast and the league is sooo exciting year after year, I love the 2nd division, no question! Hamburg against Kaiserslautern is always an absolute traditional duel, against Rostock you always have excitement in the stands, Magdeburg is an absolute blast away, I don't think I've ever heard anyone in our away block as loud as Magdeburg, you also love to meet up with your friends from Hanover twice a year and we don't even need to talk about Schalke, in my eyes a top 5 fan scene! Edit: To take up the point of “interesting relegation matches” again, these are rejected by the majority of German Ultrás, as the match between the 1st and 2nd Bundesliga is actually always an unfair one. Even if the 2nd division team seems to have a better chance because they play better, the difference in money between the two teams is usually so huge that the 2nd division club simply can't keep up. And we're not talking about small sums, but a squad worth between 100-200 million euros in recent years. (Hamburg - Stuttgart / Hamburg - Hertha BSC) Fuck the VAR - abolish the emotion killer!

[@kabenah]

🔥👹KAISERSLAUTERN 👹🔥

[@m.r.3912]

The 2. Bundesliga is more thrilling than the Bundesliga. Nearly every team could beat each other.

[@Krenoss]

Nice Video! I'm from germany visiting basically every homematch of st.pauli since being a little boy and it's awesome to see the second league getting appreciated internationally.

[@rxfus5693]

Just Stop watching St.Pauli

[@Krenoss]

@@rxfus5693 haha, hell no

[@STGade]

Hansa Rostock Fan here, we traveled to Hertha Berlin with 20.000 away fans

[@gregadkins2483]

Honestly, yes. Went to Germany last June for 3 weeks and learned the language for 6 months prior to fifht American stereotypes. I then got super into the Zwei Bundesliga this year. It was easy to watch as ESPN + shows every game. It is such a fun league. I love it. I root for Hamburg/ Weisbaden/ St pauli because of my travels, and it is great to watch. What a wild league. So much better than most seasons of the Bundesliga. I will continue to watch it for years. My tier list is EPL (it was my first love), MLS( Austin FC season ticket holder), zweiBundesliga, Bundesliga. Love how chaotic it is.

[@mrherbal]

Though Germans might be proud of their second league, the reality is that giants like Schalke or Hamburg, which rank among the top ten clubs in Europe by membership, are starved of funds. This is not solely due to poor transfer decisions, but also because the distribution of money in the Bundesliga is problematic. If Germany were to divide the money similarly to the Premier League, percentage-wise, the top team would receive 60 million euros and the last-placed team 30 million euros. The real issue is that winning the Bundesliga is creating a monopoly. Indeed, Bayern Munich is a strong team, but they aren’t performing so much better than everyone else.

[@jacquesdemolay1307]

Very cool video, thanks. I watch 2. Bundesliga each weekend and it's always a blast. Nice to see that it's appreciated abroad

[@pk-vg1cb]

Just yesterday a 4th League game had 18000 spectators Cottbus vs greifwald

[@Lifelongloser]

The top of the table is more straightforward than in many previous seasons as far as I remember though.

[@Johannes.Walker]

Ye at least big clubs with big fans. Crazy. Nice video ✌️

[@cuauhtemocricardoorlandosa2188]

Schalke fan here. we used to play in the first league. but our managers did not. they sucked so hard. frigg them. - btw: when i say manager i dont talk about the coach. in german clubs the manager is a real manager who "deals with numbers". the coach is never called manager. he is the coach. i say this because this is different in other countries afaik

[@jesperholst9318]

The second bundesliga is a breath of fresh air to football and the fresh air blows slowly up into the first. Ksv and st pauli are going up with a smile and the smile was missing in the last years. The football is back in germany🎉 Not that it was missing but the euphoria is back. New clubs at the top new stars slowly rising

[@ValtintimeGaming]

great vide i subbed i think hamburg is also the team that stayed for the longest time in the 1. Bundestliga without getting relegated

[@PolecanePC]

Love me or hate me for saying this but actually England and Germany are the only two countries which could easily create an MLS style league with 28-30 teams split into two conferences. Both countries have great teams in second divisions, and also they have big support of fans and stadiums are sold out.

[@user-kb5yw1ux2o]

And why should anyone want that?

[@PolecanePC]

@@user-kb5yw1ux2o in Germany basically to 'Bayern it out' lol, of course this season Bayer Leverkusen won but in a long run you can't have a league which is won by one team consistently because it ruins everything

[@MrIkOgNiTo]

​@@PolecanePC Take a look at the attendances. Obviously it doesn't ruin everything.

[@acatwithwiskers9273]

Amazing content for the amount of subscribers you have. (You have my Sub)

[@newbie4789]

I mean, if you wanna watch a football match in a stadium in Europe, always... ALWAYS go to Germany

[@SNVE_Mxlte]

I cried laughing as you pronounced the club names, btw I‘m a Hannover fan and we drew the derby a few days ago.

[@Rabijeel]

The German Leagues are insaneley strong overall compared to other Leagues. Recent Season was really insane all over the Leagues as many Top Teams got beaten in the DFB Cup by way smaller Teams from lower Leagues. In the Quaterfinals, there were 3 Teams of the 1st League, 4 of the 2nd League and one of the 3rd League - and that 3rd League Club kicked out Bayern München 2:1 and made it into the Semifinals where Kaiserslautern, 15th in the 2nd League, stopped their Run and now plays in the Finals against the actual Champion Bayer Leverkusen. And even though it is a pretty insane Season this Time, it is not too uncommon for Big Teams to literally "get rekt" by smaller Teams. Fragg, Lotte Osnabrück (Lotte has 13k Citizens), a regional Club with no professionals mostly kicked out many of the big Named for Years on a regular Basis - as Sandhausen did as well for Years, even beeing called "Pokalschreck" (Cup-Menace) and having big Clubs pray for not getting them. Schalke did just make one huge mistake - they underestimated how hard the Lower Leagues are. They thought "We are a first League Club, 5th biggest - we soon will be back uo there - just to face the Sharktank the scond League is and realizing that this will not stop even in the Third. And the best Thing about that: Some Clubs were like "We need to allow big investors to come in" and the Fans were like "Fuck you!". the main Argument on the Clubs wanting this was that this is needed to keep the Strengh of the Leagues up while the Fans were like 2We do not care about that- we want affordable Football Tickets and just good Games!" The Fans won and the Clubs were like "now the Games will get boring!" - just to have the best Season nsince 20 Years. Bayern Munich may be second place, but is very close to Stuttgat and Leipzig. And they played according top statistics as good as they did in the Years where they got the Triple. But, the other Clubs just got out there and played insaneley good. Dortmund is considred "sub-par" this Season, yet they are heads on in the CL against PSG and Byern munich alsop plays head on on Real Madrids level. So, consider that a Team from the 3rd Division just played and won against a Team comparable to Real Madrid - head on. That is the German Leagues and what happened this Season.

[@pokermonfacegaming]

Even the 3rd and 4th division in germany are extremely good. Saarbrücken for example is in the 3rd division and made it twice into the DFB Pokal semi final in the last 5 years. And we regularly see teams from the 4th division promoted to the 3rd and within one year, they get into the 2nd bundesliga (even 2 teams this year). There isnt much of a gap between 1st and 4th division anymore in germany.

[@zaggy3110]

The traditional club HSV from Hamburg loves the 2nd league so much that they refuse to promote to the 1st Bundesliga

[@tazuna02]

on top of losing over a 100 million on missed transfers they also had a manager who burned about 140 million for trash players.

[@Leftfield71]

As great as the Bundesliga 2 may be, I'd still love to see my team, Karlsruher SC playing in the Bundesliga 1 next season.

[@1draigon]

You might remember Schalke playing against man city and literally winning against Real Madrid with Ronaldo just a few years ago! That’s how crazy it is There are semi young fans that have seen it

[@Jmurphy523]

Great video mate, I’m gonna follow Bund 2 now

[@therealsirdj5934]

Listen, even though I am German, I never cared for the 1. Bundesliga (mostly because no Team there intrests me) but I like St. Pauli, just becuse of their philosophy (plus I am Born in Hamburg, so there is some Level of love for the city)

[@Linkingx2]

Our second division is insane, and while it's really nice to have such a big, strong, and competitive 2nd division - I am always feeling kind of sad - to see these iconic clubs playing there and not in the 1st division; I think we could also increase the 1. Bundesliga to 20 teams or so - like other leagues have done - looking at the quality of promoted teams, it's not too common that they fall and get relegated immediately (haven't looked at data, just a gut feeling; Heidenheim is mid-table while Darmstadt is dead last so it's kinda 50/50); Still, the influx in views and money would help these clubs surely - because it's just sad; these big city clubs surely have many followers and players in their youth - but poor management over years has led to decay and poor finances, just like you mentioned; And now there are clubs like Schalke with double the stadium guests than 1st place Bayer Leverkusen (DEUTSCHERMEISTER NUR DER SVB!!!) - fearing for their club's existence - or like others mentioned Aachen in division 4 with 30k or Dynamo Dresden in division 3 with 32k stadiums (not full house every time but still) So with bigger leagues, more views get shared around - and on another note, the German clubs and DFB need to invest more into youth - look at the U17 German Champions - of Europe and the World, or young talents like Havertz, Musiala, and Wirtz, there is a lot of talent to be found which also helps with finances. For all the flak Bayer Leverkusen gets for its relationship to the Bayer concern - we make a decent lot from developing players and selling them - as you shortly mentioned, Schalke was once the golden academy in terms of youth development - many great players came out of their early 2000s system... but again, they weren't able to sell them for good value... sight - for as amazing as German league football is in both divisions - I just hope it could be greater... maybe someday. Fun fact, the EM plays in 4, maybe even 5 (looking at you Cologne) 2nd division stadiums while only in 5/6 Bundesliga ones... underlining how big these 2nd division clubs are.

[@Schlaisn]

Sad, i hoped u try to pronounce Holstein Kiel. :D

[@M1tZk1]

Schalke had huge sponsors in Tönnies and Gazprom. Tönnies had huge issues during Covid and Gazprom leftnshortly after during the Ukraike war. So both big time spenders left Schalke.

[@sehu1291]

Also 3rd and 4th division are crazy with teams with more attendances than most la liga and Serie A teams and many EPL teams

[@axels9573]

The games in 2. Bundesliga are also wild. Every team has a legit winning chance against every other team. It's so much fun to watch.

[@christopherhead934]

Kinda hard to compare. Tickets are so much more expensive in England. Season ticket per game at QPR starts at 25. Higher than the cheapest for most Bundesliga clubs.

[@KlausPeter-lo2hk]

My team (Arminia Bielefeld) went down from 1. Bundesliga to 2. Bundesliga 2 years ago and had to establish an entire new cadre there. The result: we are now playing in 3. Liga. The 2. Bundesliga is so highly competitive. You have a bunch of clubs that would deserve to play in 1. Bundesliga right now and a bunch of clubs that are ready to go there by next season. Way more interesting than what happens in the mayor leagues in Europe.

[@panthers_gkd]

I absolutely love watching Bundesliga 2. Great players, real football atmosphere. I usually watch it on TV and I watch whoever team plays. Just pick a team before the game (usually the underdog). Except when Hertha Plays! I always support for Hertha Berlin. But Japanese J League is kind of the same. Good players Great football atmosphere.

[@HaraldoEll-lk7ul]

Hahohe Hertha und der KSC 💙🤍

[@UgonnaH8M8]

Overtime in Heidenheim was a joke. Longest Overtime of the season and a gifted penalty

[@fch1846]

Was justified 100%. Various referees and the DFB have confirmed this.

[@SuperBalders]

hey Harri, try saying k~eye - sers - lou(d) - turn instead of Kai-sers-lau-tern -> if you can say "Kaiser" easyly, just add a "s" at the end. and for the "ser" in kaiser just imagine a classy german unable to speak the th in "there". i chose "lou(d)" as syllable to give you an english word that sounds realy close to the german syllable "lau". and to be fair, "turn" sounds more like "tər" in the example in the end. anyways, your attemp in the video as already pretty good! ;-) you can't imagine how long it took to spell "Worcestershire" as a teenager. before one understands how easy phonetics actualy are. -> wuus-tər-shər

[@LimeFoot]

Great video!

[@realHarriball]

Cheers!

[@rotheryberlin7772]

In the 2nd Bundesliga are more German Champions than in the 1st. 1. Bundesliga 9 champions 2. Bundesliga 13 champions

[@theundeadbeholder284]

I remember in 2018 when The Red Shorts were relegated, it make me sad; back then they were the only Bundesliga (1) club that had never being relegated, the dinosaurs.

[@tschavalala]

A league with lots of traditional clubs and strong fans such as Schalke, Rostock, Magdeburg, Nürnberg, Düsseldorf, Kaiserslautern, Hertha...

[@lws7394]

2:44 One thing with the stadium crowds to remind is that Germany has 85 mln inhabitants vs. England/Wales 60mln. The teams in the 2. Bundesliga represent bigger cities (>500k) than most in the Championship. In the Championship there is Sheffield United and the 2 Brummie Clubs in >500k cities (apart from the small clubs from the London area..). In 2. Bundesliga HSV/Sankt Pauli, Hannover, Düsseldorf, Nurnberg, Berlin are major cities and Schalke represents a large urban multi town area (a third of a bundes state basically ). So their fanbase is a lot larger. Ad to that that tickets are a lot cheaper in Germany. So going to 2.BL won't cost you a rib during a season .. and draw more fans. (And football is still a 'people's sport' in Germany ).

[@vendetta4033]

But not only big cities have a lot of fans. Look at the Hansa, Magdeburg, Eintracht BS, Kaiserslautern, they come from middle size cities, but the fan base is quite big in their regions as well.

[@lws7394]

@@vendetta4033 Well, maybe. But Hansa and Magdeburg spent several years bottom half in the 3. Liga. So to play in 2. Bundesliga is a promotion and may draw extra audience ...

[@vendetta4033]

@@lws7394 of course it is, but I just said that not only clubs from big cities have big support in away matches. You see Magdeburg, Hansa, Braunschweig, Lautern in big numbers, even bigger from rivals from bigger cities. Hope to see next season Dynamo Dresden back in the 2.BL, they are one big army no matter where they go they are noticed

[@Sodomizxr]

@@vendetta4033 It's just called Hansa and not "the Hansa" ;)

[@Sodomizxr]

@@lws7394 Completely different. I can only talk about Hansa, because I live in Rostock and been a fan since my father took me to the stadium when I was only 6 years old, but Mecklenburg-Vorpommern never had a club that played in a professional high league expect for Hansa. This club is so important for the region and for the people here. As soon as you enter our Bundesstate you will see a lot of Hansa Graffiti and a lot of fans went to hell and back with this club, including me. East Germans are also pretty loyal when it comes to their football club, just look at Dresden, Aue or any other east german club.

[@N0N4ME06]

The FCE (Energie Cottbus) had 18.000 homefans against Greifswald. They arent even in the Top League right now. They are in the process of going into the 3rd after being denied due to Relegation, despite having won the last cup.

[@DaxRaider]

regelgation is the worst thing of the bundesliga it really needs to rework it like the english 2nd league has relegation. the difference between 1st and 2 nd league is to big so always the 1st league team win 90% xD

[@johnjim6793]

Last year Hamburg had been extremely unlucky first to lose 2nd place when Heidenheim scored a goal nine minutes into extra time, and then meet Stuttgart in relegation, who had already started their miraculous transformation into one of Germany's strongest teams. But generally speaking, I'm fine with how things are. If the 3rd-placed team from league two cannot beat the 16thplaced team of league one in relegation, then they are probably not strong enough to play first league.

[@philw6056]

@@johnjim6793 I would prefer a 4th vs 16th and then 3rd vs winner playoff system. But we should keep in mind that without a relegation playoff the bundesliga could also cancel the third relegation spot.

[@johnjim6793]

@@philw6056 You certainly have a point.

[@karagounis9469]

Which means the better team stays in the upper league. Which makes sense. Imagine the loss for BL (from a performance perspective) if last season Stuttgart had to go down. If was clear to everyone that the VfB Stuttgart was a team that belongs in the BL. Now the even surpassed expextations and played a great season. Also, i like the relegation games

[@henningmx2114]

@@johnjim6793so you‘re saying Darmstadt or Heidenheim would’ve beaten Stuttgart then? Of course not, it is nonsense to say a team doesn’t deserve to play in the Bundesliga when they would obviously make lots of transfers during the summer to improve their squad.

[@Dermasilon]

You had to mention that HSV never got relegated since the Bundesliga exists so it was such a big deal back then and they were the only club left that never got relegated before

[@MrWohlstandskind]

Not 100% correct. They were the last founding member of the Bundesliga not ever being relegated for a long time. Bayern München also never went back down to second league. But they were not part of the Bundesliga in its first season. Small but important detail :)

[@jenios86]

The great Raul once played for Schalke

[@jeffreiffers81]

Sane Goretzka Neuer played there too :)

[@SaturnusDK]

St. Pauli.. Stadium capacity 29.546. Average attendance 29.425. That's insane. On average only 121 empty seats which includes away fan section. Mind boggling.

[@Vincen1]

in bigger stadiums oftentimes the away fans are incapable of bringing 8.000+ fans to a stadium as big as Hamburg or Schalke. + most of the time there have to be empty parts between home fans and the away fans for security. Hamburg and Schalke are sold out every single game too.

[@bh5037]

Many UK fans used to come over for St Pauli games ... very often with their kids ... but thks to Brexshit - that decreased... we in Hamburg are very sorry that they do not come anymore !

[@lucaviana1282]

You Shoud See The HSV Fans they Are Crazy

[@matthiasdeppert4766]

This is why i am Not sad That my Club Darmstadt 98 is going to be relegated to 2. Bundesliga much more interesting

[@XavierMcG]

Sounds like Schalke needs change in management

[@lukapavlovic3670]

💙💙💙HaHoHe 💙💙💙Meister von der Spree💙💙💙

[@Maximuslekopernikus]

The Bundesliga 2 is literally so fun. You have those big clubs like Schalke play against opponents like Elversberg (really fun club. Is this year in 2 Bundesliga for the first time. Was two years ago the first time in 3rd Bundesliga) and beat them. It is fun because you really can't predict anything in this league...

[@blaxyslice]

What drives me crazy: - Heidenheim has still the change to play internationally next season - Stuttgart went from relegation game to the Champions league - 1. FC Kaiserslautern has the chance to win the league cup and play in the Europa league while being relegated to the 3rd division :D

[@Mudaro222]

Kuizers-loutern 😁 thats Kind of how you pronounce Kaiserslautern and they were also established in 1. Bundesliga, Just like KSC but long time ago...

[@prysrek8858]

And now 16th placed Stuttgart from last season may be 1 game away from becoming 2nd in the table, overtaking Bayern

[@user-sh5it1rh4z]

Fun little fact for that ending: If Vfb Stuttgart would´ve lost against Hamburg, they would be playing 2. Bundesliga now. Instead, they´re almost on top of the Bundesliga now and will face teams like Real Madrid in Champions League next season.

[@istdaslol]

As a little add-on. HSV is one of the bundesliga founding members, and were the only one that never went to secound tier, until 2018. they had a massive clock displaying their time in the liga, and their mascott was a dino. So not only did they failed to get promoted, they never did got promoted in their entire history. And now they are on track to be the club with the most successive seasons in the secound tier. You can't make this stuff up

[@maxam2083]

Immerhin quasi Zweitliga Dino dann….

[@bechri9573]

Founding member just like Munich 1860, Preußen Münster and Saarbrücken - Looking at these now is opening a window to HSV's bright future (Aufstiegsgespenst.🤔)

[@s7umpf]

2nd Bundesliga is a banger of a competition. But in the end you wanna see "the best". Stadium experience is great and comparably affordable if you're searching for that.

[@lifeiscreepingdeath]

The problem is that Germany allows for the Ultra culture. In England these days you can't even drink at a game, plus most people just laugh at fans who try to start Ultra groups (Arsenal for example). It could actually be great for English football, especially lower leagues, but it will take a lot of actual effort and work.

[@noeldhaouadi3120]

Super good video lad

[@realHarriball]

Cheers pal!

[@fernandocelere]

Watch the brasileirão série C and D, it's crazy entertaining

[@de_anubis]

2:35 Kaiserslautern would be pronouced: Khy-cers-lou-tern. Khy (why) cers (as cersei) lou (ou as in ouch) and tern (as in term). Not totally accurate but it's 80% there. I wish youtube would have a voice comment function.

[@carnalea2424]

It's pronounced: Kaiser (easy for English people to say), slau ('au' as in the English 'ow') then 'tern'. Quite easy really.

[@helmutwestwood8527]

I love 2 bundesliga more... it's so competitive and fun to watch!

[@Hailerer2602]

I swear to god... every time someone says Bundesliga Two, something inside me dies. It's 2. Bundesliga. Not Bundesliga 2. Second Bundesliga. Neither is there a Bundesliga Three. There is the Third League. 3. Liga.

[@lookitthis6101]

4:36 respect for showing McKennie who's tearing it up at Juve

Hardly a mention of the magical St. Pauli?!

[@geldsack4655]

Shitty antifa club Enemys of every german

[@DoenerKritiker]

2nd Bundesliga has the best Fan Base in Europe

[@graff_0304]

HA HO HE!!!🔵⚪

[@MT-su2lq]

Well, that means the HSV plays in the best league of the world... now the last 6 years makes sense.

[@zargorn]

Kaiserslautern used to have a large US army presence. Americans called it K-Town :-D

[@Dennzyl]

Magdeburg deserves better! they just need to try to push a little harder!

[@mellon4251]

Another core problem why so many big clubs are in the second tier is that they made braindead exceptions from the German no investor rules for four clubs with little history and fans in the Bundesliga which have investors and thus a massive competitive advantage. Just compare Wolfsburg and Gladbach. Gladbach has a big history, masses of fans and did brilliant work over 10+ years which saw rise for low table to top four over that time. Then they only did decent work and Covid hit and now they are on a downward trajectory ever since and might get relegated in a few years cause they cant afford good players. Compare that to Wolfsburg: No history, no fans, 10+ years of bad management but every time when it looks they might be about to get relegated their owner Volkswagen steps in, the buy players with huge transfer deficits and just put so much money on the problem that they dont get relegated with their 300 mio squad against all the 20 mio squads in low table. Its basically that four clubs with no influence cant get relegated in practical terms thus the Bundesliga got reduced from 18 to 14 available spots. Plus they ruin half of the games, too. Imposilbe to watch the saturday conference now, as all the shitty cooperation teams get lumped in there as no one would watch them if they got a single game

[@JamanWerSonst]

2:35 Kaiser Zlatan should be their new name.