Is the 2017 Chevrolet C7 Corvette Grand Sport the must BUY sports car?

The C7 Corvette is the final generation of the front engine Corvettes from Chevrolet. On the outside of the Grand Sport you will find the Z06's wider body work, 6-piston Brembo brakes and GM Performance exhaust. On the inside you will find the classic red interior, digital gauge display and 8in infotainment screen. Under the hood is a 6.2L V8 pumping out 460HP & mated to an 8-speed automatic transmission. Is the 2017 Chevrolet C7 Corvette Grand Sport the must BUY sports car?
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[@Geetz7]

For me, The C7 looks better than the C8, it's just my opinion though.

[@RaitisRides]

I am right there with you!

[@Ryan48093]

What I love about the C7 is that even though the C8 has been out for 3 years now, the C7 still doesn’t look old. I love the C7, especially with the manual option.

[@fairfax_fran5109]

💯 they tried coping the Acura nsx or Ferrari/ lambo type .c7 is my cup of coffee

[@tranquil1866]

Same!

[@EJleon96]

Your opinion is valid, new one is meh

[@marvinmurakami8828]

C7 looks much better than the C8.

[@RaitisRides]

You have great taste Marvin!

[@tonypartridge7085]

I have a 19 GS 2lt. Car is a BLAST to drive. Perfect for a cars and coffee that morning, the track that day then dressing up and taking your lady out to dinner that night. It turns heads all day. All around great car. If you're thinking of getting one, do it especially during the colder months when prices drop a little!

[@RaitisRides]

That is so wonderful! You are a lucky guy Tony!

[@obfidkwm]

"The only other way your gonna bust cream in here"-raiti's ride 2022 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for letting me share the laughs and the cars with you!

[@MyNameIsUnavailable]

Yo! Things happen 🤣

[@RaitisRides]

@@MyNameIsUnavailable This is very true!

[@Dsmpunk59]

@19.58 “ you will feel it in your testicals”

[@omarcortes5754]

This car is amazing, it doesn't look old at all and the performance is fantastic.

[@RaitisRides]

You are sport on with that one Omar!

[@Donnieburger80]

I agree it doesn't look old. It still looks badass

[@RaitisRides]

@@Donnieburger80 it really does Steven!

[@funkyfurballs1078]

Totally agree!

[@kevin-qc7zv]

Trading my camaro next year for this, I can't wait

[@robertreynolds2212]

Just purchased a C7 GS w/ Z07 package. I’ll pick up a C8 when the C9 gets announced. The C7 body style is imo timeless, it’ll always turn heads.

[@dashdanebikes2758]

I bought a C7 z51 loaded with carbon fibre and I agree I feel like I am in a race car from the raised hood lines you see from the dash. It's not as quick as my F-Type however the feel is more race car like

[@robertearlecoppola2991]

I’ve had mine for a little over 5 years now. I usually get tired of cars quick but I still love it as the same day I bought it. Fantastic car.

[@RaitisRides]

You definitely have a keeper Robert!

[@MyNameIsUnavailable]

That's AWESOME, i feel the same way about my MANUAL '14 Camaro RS (323 Hp) ... LEGIT... should I upgrade to a 18 or 19?

[@RaitisRides]

@@MyNameIsUnavailable possibly!

[@gsdbp7893]

have you had any transmission issues?

[@Sunjib12345]

Hey Raiti's Rides Can You Make The 2023 Genesis GV80! This 2.5T Advanced And When Are Your Going To Drive The 2023 Honda Pilot Elite

[@RaitisRides]

Will do my friend!

[@sharonbraselton4302]

buy iy

[@VIRAL..]

I was just looking at corvette prices, hmm got to be a sign 🤔

[@RaitisRides]

I think it is meant to be!

[@online_now6834]

last real vette..

[@RaitisRides]

I agree with you!

[@TSpeedster]

I own a 2019 GS C7 with pretty much the same color combo, I just have more red in the interior in mine….love the C7s😎💯🔥👍🏾

[@RaitisRides]

That’s so awesome Tommy! You definitely have a keeper!

[@amill1563]

I feel like you value the historical significance along with subtleties like a wide body. The color combo does look good.

[@RaitisRides]

I totally do just give me one with the manual gearbox!

[@amill1563]

@@RaitisRides Yes, the last pice of the puzzle.

[@RaitisRides]

@@amill1563 agreed!

[@chase141c]

I have a ‘17 GS MANUAL!!!! I ABSOLUTELY LOVE LOVE LOVE IT!!!!!

[@KISSfan1973]

Just bought a sweet 2017 C7 Grand Sport in Watkins Glen Gray Metallic!

[@lastfanstanding999]

There's something in my Chesticles that tells me this Corvette will not last long ! 😹🇺🇲😺

[@RaitisRides]

I think you may be right!

[@johng81818]

These are absolutely fantastic sport’s cars. Chevy really upped their technology and engineering game with the C7 and especially the C8. Also these Grand Sport’s keep really really good resale value.

[@RaitisRides]

If only it had a manual gearbox!

[@johng81818]

@@RaitisRides I know exactly what you mean. I actually last year bought a 2015 C7 Convertible Corvette all white with all red interior and it was a 7 speed manual. Clean title and it had only 21,000 original miles. Very beautiful and well kept car however my buddy who’s an auto broker in Los Angeles told me a deal on a brand new 2022 BMW Z4 M40i in Misano Blue and when I test drove the car it was a no brainer I immediately bought the BMW and sold the Corvette.😃

[@RaitisRides]

@@johng81818 Totally understand!

[@AccordionJoe1]

I sold my 1990 Corvette after seeing what what left of another Corvette that was literally run over by a truck and flattened like a pancake. Most people drive SUVs today because you at least have a fighting chance of survival in a serious crash.

[@RaitisRides]

That is terrible to hear.

[@tomfaltash9634]

Just to note You could get a C7 GS with carbon flash rear top intake vents over the left and right sides if you purchased either a 2LT or 3LT package. Only on the 1LT was it the color of the body paint. Another correction I took my GS to just under 192MPH. Stock aside from my AFE intake and a throttle booster. A great naturally aspirated beast…

[@kantisdel1]

Just got my 2017 in October. Black Rose Metallic. Couldn’t be happier, all I need now is spring. 👍🏼

[@OmarDaily]

I drove one of these for a whole year, really fun car, but the interior is really showing it’s age by now. It doesn’t help that they are so overpriced still.. $60k for a base stingray plus wider fenders should be closer to 40s now.

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for sharing your ownership experience!

[@sungkim742]

Inflation and the shortage of used cars might play into that.

[@alpe6228]

Its still hell of a car for 60k.Nothing comes close to this dollar for dollar.

[@EJleon96]

I would go for one in the high 40s… used car prices are dropping everywhere and more c8 s are available now. hopefully within a couple years they won’t be so expensive 🤞

[@Plucus21]

You would be an idiot to pay 60k for a C7. Might as well just wait for C8 supplies to normalize.

[@kovalm3]

As much as I like new c8 z06, I would buy c7 GS manual, for all the reason you mentioned, and then some. Plus, it's probably most reliable vette. Thanks Joe.

[@RaitisRides]

That is the way that I would go!

[@kpkp2655]

That be a bargain sports car for sure.

[@RaitisRides]

You are so very right about that!

[@98savage73]

They want 65k with 49k miles somebody make it make since 🤣🤣🤣🤣 just put a down payment on a c8

[@InterstateRaziTV]

Epic Video Joe!

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for taking the on throttle drive with me!

[@AdrenalineJunkie25]

C7 all day baby! Zo6 or ZR1!

[@RaitisRides]

Bring the big bags of cash!

[@jimmydeneus7109]

💯💯💯

[@RaitisRides]

I am glad that you approve Jimmy!

[@MyNameIsUnavailable]

Double R aint RollsRoyce no mo, its Raiti's Rides! Louisville here... 75 Miles to Bowling Green! 2023-RR 💯 CARGURUS owes you link $$$

[@RaitisRides]

I think you may be right!

[@toddclark332]

Joe I just checked one out here in my hometown Oklahoma at a dealership I mean did you just read off exactly what I just want to look at but the miles where's the miles at on it this was in the 40s you and your wife have a fantastic New Year buddy

[@RaitisRides]

Thank you Todd for your great support! Maybe it is a sign brother!

[@terrellratliff2229]

That Look Hard 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@terrellratliff2229]

That , Look Hard 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@davidp2888]

Don't squish the Twinkies! I'll take either the C7 or C8.

[@RaitisRides]

I like the way that you think!

[@BuddyClontz]

I now have 21k miles on my 2017 2LT C7 Grand Sport and it has been a great car so far! My car is also white but with chrome wheels, black interior, and no hash marks(I don’t personally like black rims or hash marks). The car has more than enough power and is very solid. It drives like it’s on rails. For me, if I’m looking at later generation Corvettes, I’ll take the C7 over the C8 any day because it still looks like the classic corvette proportionally. IMHO the C8 looks like a toy European Hot Wheels Car with a Corvette badge stuck on it. Way too busy for my taste but to each his own. If I buy another vette, it will be a C2. For me, they are the most beautiful Corvettes ever made.

[@RaitisRides]

Thank you for that great ownership input Buddy!

[@ppeller3]

I have a 2017 GS Blackrose manual convertible. I have driven many a C8 which is an awsome car. But when I get in my C7 I just feel right at home. Smiles per mile baby!👊🏻👍🏻🇺🇲😜

[@RaitisRides]

I know how you feel Pete!

[@DavidSingerSongwtr]

Have a 2019 Corvette Grand Sport red with black wheels. Except for the torque tube replaced under warranty no issues.

[@scottbarker9058]

was it a ..autom..????transm...

[@sasinmo]

why pay 58k for a 5 year old corvette when you can get a 2023 for 64k?

[@sharonbraselton4302]

biy ñew çorvete

[@RaitisRides]

Yeah right! LOL

[@danielfair4675]

You're hitting the pipe to much if you think you'll find one for $64k.

[@Derinnegan]

Very fire

[@RaitisRides]

You know it!

[@eatshiy]

I'll take that "badass vette" ANY day over the new "C8 Chevy NSX"

[@Zurxce21]

i want it so bad. something about the corvette looks and feels good

[@RaitisRides]

Oh trust me you are spot on the money!

[@arizonacolour8793]

Besides the headlights, generic af

[@Donnieburger80]

One day I hope to own one.

[@christiangongora5635]

Just bought a c7 3lt grand sport on my 24 bday last Saturday I love it!!

[@RaitisRides]

Congrats Christian! That is one heck of a birthday gift!

[@westa1762]

If the manuals were so damn great & the subs switched from their Kias, they’d still be making em.

[@Ricardo_C]

Essentially a z06 without the supercharger

[@RaitisRides]

Close that is for sure!

[@chuckmccall1]

Awesome Review Joe! "There is much Love" for this car not to mention a great price point as compared to the new generation. I know all the goodness about the new Corvette However, this body style is so captivating (and I still think it is BEST!) 😎😋

[@RaitisRides]

I totally feel the same way! If this car had a manual I would have bought it

[@brandonlovestech454]

I never cared much for corvettes until I saw the C7. It’s just such a badass sportscar. I just got my 2023 C8 Stingray convertible a few weeks ago and it feels like a supercar. The performance, tech and interior are off the charts!

[@RaitisRides]

I am so glad that I can bring this one to you!

[@Donnieburger80]

I love that GS . Unfortunately I was naughty and Santa didn't deliver the c7 grand sport. 😠

[@RaitisRides]

There is always next year!

[@PanamaMo]

I Got a stingray z51 7speed for $42k, better bargain unless you really want the wider rear

[@CriticalDetox]

Wait......2017 review in 2022? Huh???

[@RaitisRides]

What is wrong with that?

[@seanvangster]

Just for the info.. joe reviews more c7s than any other corvette generation. The c7 will be the best vette ever made.. front engine and Manual.

[@CriticalDetox]

@@RaitisRides Oh nothing it just kinda threw me off is all

[@RaitisRides]

@@CriticalDetox I like to bring surprises. This car is just that good.

[@RaitisRides]

@@seanvangster What's funny is I actually prefer the C6.

[@jmm1174]

At the track the C7 GS laps faster than the C8 Z51 and the Shelby GT350R even it might beat the Porsche 991 Carrera S.

[@RaitisRides]

We would have to really see the numbers.

[@manuelcamomot5152]

Still looks good

[@RaitisRides]

It really does manuel!

[@mrcjjr]

I bought a 2019 GS a year ago and love it. My only regret is that it's a 1LT (should've gotten a 2LT, poor research on my part).

[@AnthonyEvelyn]

I love how GM shoots out two back to back champion C7 and C8 series Corvette super cars! The C7 was a tremendous leap forward, it looked awesome, was well built, had great overall speed and handling performance. I still highly rate the C7 series Corvettes, wouldn't mind owning a later model.

[@RaitisRides]

You are so very right Anthony!

[@bryanitz8401]

No guac or sour cream?!?!? Dealbreaker😂😂😂 My oh my, what a beautiful automobile!!!

[@SPDDMN127]

Great video/review! I'm up I'm the air between a C7 Grand Sport (manual) or ordering a "23 Camaro 2SS 1LE (manual). I keep watching all your Grand Sport and Camaro SS 1LE vids! They're very informative.

[@RaitisRides]

That is such a tough choice! Good luck!

[@kinghill500]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@RaitisRides]

It is pure fire 🔥

[@mikejames-drummerreginacan1386]

USA.....C7 and C8 are both terrific BUT very different.

[@patcurrie9888]

Immediate thumbs up! C7 will be the collector Vette. 2LT is the highest to go. LT3 gets leather on dash, that bubbles. Oh no! The problematic 8 speed, 35K on odo, shudders on hwy speed. Chevy has a band aid fix for another 30K.

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for sharing that info Pat!

[@twoweeledsoto6072]

I have one, and love it! Super happy with it. I'm on a list for a C8 Z06, but I honestly like the looks of this C7 more. I'm just assuming C8 looks will grow on me by the time I get it.

[@RaitisRides]

That is so wonderful. Thanks for sharing that!

[@darryltaylor2438]

Yeah I like the looks of the C7 better too!!

[@robertreynolds2212]

I was all but locked in on a C8 & that changed when I test drove a GS C7. For the money, I couldn’t justify paying $40k more. Now I have a gorgeous C7 GS in the garage, no regrets at all.

[@spearce133]

I'd say yes, I have a 2017 GS in White with Kalahari interior though (7sp manual). I've had a C3, C5Z and C6 and it took me a while to appreciate the C7. I love the rear of the C5 the most, but love the side view of the C7.

[@headinthekloudz]

This or a 2020 jaguar f type with 575hp supercharged

[@wilfredo-teyrosalesfotos]

😮😮😮

[@RaitisRides]

Trust me that is how I felt reviewing this car!

[@leviefrauim1425]

The C7 GS is THE Vette to own, period. But... it must have a manual, not an auto.

[@RaitisRides]

I totally agree with you Levi!

[@marcosmata8233]

Concept What If The Chevrolet Corvette (C7) Had Been Made In The ’80s? Back to the Future What if The Chevrolet Corvette (C7) would look like as a Time Machine?

[@RaitisRides]

I like the way that you think!

[@Garraz98]

I have a regular 98 C5 Corvette and the only time I was ever excited for another Corvette was the C7 Grand Sport Collector Edition. Sadly I missed out. If they ever do the same color theme on the newer models I'll be the first in line!

[@RaitisRides]

I know how you feel!

[@yungactivist]

I’ve noticed a lot of corvette prices have drop main the first ones with 50k miles

[@RaitisRides]

It all depends.

[@cyberspd]

C7s are automotive perfection.

[@RaitisRides]

You are so very right about that!

[@daviousking3828]

There's nothing like a Corvette

[@fredvasconi1461]

I had a guy in one chase me down, while driving in my C2, last week, on S. Himes, in Tampa.

[@RaitisRides]

That is really cool! It is such a small world!

[@Mustang_gee14]

One of the ways I’m going to bust cream in it 😅😂

[@RaitisRides]

I am so glad that I can share the laughs with you!

[@alecsimmons1120]

i have a C6 Grand Sport black on black convertible! Red hash marks and touches! LOVE IT! LS3 BEAST!

[@RaitisRides]

That is so awesome Alec!

[@danielfair4675]

I also have a c6 GS, a 3lt Triple Black 6-speed convertible. It's been stored since the end of October as usual for winter. 13,800 original miles on it.

[@wg8290]

This is better looking than the C8.

[@RaitisRides]

I agree with you!

[@joshb6382]

19:55 couldn’t have said it better myself 👏🤣 another great vid as always Joe, lookin forward to more awesome uploads!

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for letting me take you ON THROTTLE in this car!

[@monther.c7]

I'm a proud owner of 2017 c7 grand sport heritage edition

[@RaitisRides]

Hold on to her!

[@JB91710]

That or the C6 version because the C8 is the ugliest Corvette yet and who needs lots of horsepower when the speed limit is 65?

[@RaitisRides]

Actually speed limit changes depending where you are.

[@polklovesrt10]

My car!!! 🤷🏾‍♂️❤️👌🏿

[@RaitisRides]

I am so glad that you like this one!

[@jmm1174]

A better choice would be with the manual transmission

[@RaitisRides]

That is the way that I would go for sure!

[@Zefiris8]

Bought a 2LT GS back in 2017. Had to order it since I wanted a manual and the competition seats. Been a great car, 51k miles so far. On road trips this thing gets 26-27 mpg and the only negative is the road noise from those big run flats. On the track this thing is super predictable, a bit of understeer unless you trial brake excessively, and no temperature issues. The only thing I think is a little meh is the push rod sound. At full throttle it sounds great, but everywhere else it's just kind of meh. Would love to get a new Z06 just for the sound but those markups are ridiculous. No issues continuing to drive this old GS, super fun.

[@sharonbraselton4302]

giid for yú all çorver got tyeàt chéf m9m ²⁰ v⁹rver ²6 27 m0gs

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for sharing that spectacular ownership experience.

[@billfleming8281]

Get rid of the run flares and get some Michelin 4s , amazing ride difference !

[@Zefiris8]

@Bill Fleming I'm tempted but the run flats were useful once. Did a pull on the first big straight in death valley. Guess I had a nail or something and it got flung out. So there I am sitting in Death Valley with no cell phone or internet and a flat rear tire. Limped it 90 miles with 0psi to a tire shop.

[@darrengodbee3435]

I love this car in this color combo My first corvette was a 1981 two toned cream and a coppery brown it was one of my favorite cars ever

[@RaitisRides]

That is so cool Darren!

[@kennyphun1946]

....yes! I just wish my stingray have the fender flares like the GS and Z06, should’ve been standard 😜. Still love my stingray though. Thanks Joe and Lori for the great contents.

[@RaitisRides]

I know how you feel Kenny. The Stingray is a great sports car!

[@BScalise97]

I love mine. 2017 GS 3LT. Bought it with 3k miles three years ago and been daily driving it since, up to 35k now. Put one set of tires on it, and have had to replace 3 of my rear rims due to cracking (buyer beware). But that’s it. 19 mpg avg since I’ve had it. I pulled the NPP fuse for meaner exhaust sound all the time, not just higher RPMs. Competition seats are surprisingly comfortable, plenty of cargo space, versatile magnetic suspension, easy to take the targa off frequently, no rattles, etc. Buy one. I’ll miss mine when I have to give it up to collect my C8 Z06 allocation.

[@REALJayDOTWill]

Any pros or cons you would say to daily driving a C7?

[@tjf2258]

Awesome model Corvette...best yet and that includes the C8. Agree that a 7-speed would make it the PERFECT sports car. GS models will be a highly sought after car.

[@Phoenix36911]

This one right here my dream car !!

[@FSAPOJake]

I personally think the Z06 just has too much power for the chassis, and it ends up hurting the car on the track. This thing is perfectly balanced on the track with just the right amount of power.

[@RaitisRides]

I could not agree with you more.

[@JohnHoganN8]

Love that car but would need to call AAA to help me get out every time. 😮

[@sharonbraselton4302]

qéóng

[@RaitisRides]

LOL you crack me up!

[@MyNameIsUnavailable]

Raiti's Rules: 1. No Sour Cream on your burrito 2. No Cream Busting 3. Feel It In Your Testicles

[@RaitisRides]

Heck yeah!

[@williamheinsinger7390]

Boom 💥

[@Snake4390]

ON THROTTLE HERE WE GO YEAH!!!!!!!!

[@pontiacGXPfan]

the Vette is one of two cars that looks like it SHOULD have fender hash marks( the other one being the Camaro)

[@americanveteranaceshigh9051]

$58k w/16k miles..good price. my c7 gs has the z07 brake package...and i track it a couple times a year...worth the $$$...pads are $900 for the front..

[@ivannegron4627]

I want one

[@Cobra_460]

I’d like to think of this as a baby z06,at least to me. Awesome review you three!😊😊 what would be awesome if you could review a c6 z06,c6 zr1, or c6 grand sport.

[@RaitisRides]

Now we are talking! I will try to make that happen!

[@Cobra_460]

@@RaitisRides When that happens Joe, I’ll invite my neighbors and have an Officially Licensed Raiti’s Rides On Throttle Snack Jackpot Themed Party! You better bet your bottom dollar that there’s going to be Twinkies galore! And other snacks and drinks as well. 😁

[@RaitisRides]

@@Cobra_460 Thank you for being super supportive!

[@Cobra_460]

@@RaitisRides no problem Joe! 😊😊

[@DarkJediChrisG-1425]

Nicely done Joe! Can't wait for the top 10 cars trucks and suvs for 2022 and 2022 Blooper reel! Lwta get to 1 million subscribers!

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks Chris! It all starts on Wed!

[@DarkJediChrisG-1425]

@@RaitisRides 👍👍👍

[@tigerhoods7927]

I still appreciate the older corvettes

[@RaitisRides]

Same here man!

[@CanadianSpeedster]

I have a 17 3LZ M7 Z06. Absolutely love the C7 generation.

[@alabdel1388]

C7 has become my dream car. Not the C8....this C7 comes with a manual (obvious bonus) and looks better imo.

[@throwingdartsandbreakinghearts]

Bust cream. IYKYK

[@Sick_ridz]

PShh for 50-60k people don’t realize how much car you’re getting in a c7. I think it’s funny when people go buy challengers or mustangs and spend over 50k when cars like this are still out there. I’ve driven a 12 Ferrari 458 and the c7 is pretty close in handling and performance. The whole car is carbon fiber and fiber glass hydrogel composite. No door dings or hail damage. The alarms, stereos, electronics all user friendly and well thought out. And yes the c8 is a better car but you’re also spending 30-40k more. This car is hands down the best car for that price. You’re essentially getting a taste of a supercar

[@Aschoolbusandsimulatorfan2219]

My first Chevrolet sportscar! Nice job Joe.

[@RaitisRides]

You will love this one.

[@Aschoolbusandsimulatorfan2219]

@@RaitisRidesI have plans to buy this used Chevrolet Corvette someday Joe.

[@RaitisRides]

@@Aschoolbusandsimulatorfan2219 it all starts with a plan!

[@BobAyers]

A beautiful classic looking car 👍🏻👍🏻way to go Joe

[@RaitisRides]

It is such a great shape! Thank you Bob!

[@flyfishingworldwide4589]

I am looking to buy a v8, buy hard choice between the f-type R and the grand sport c7 with zr1 kit. I think the jag R has a much better exhaust, you really need a tune on the corvette

[@mattlevine3201]

I just saw this car like an hour ago

[@RaitisRides]

That is so very cool Matt!

[@ccc3350]

I love me new C8 convertible. It is beyond amazing. How ever I miss my C7 I traded in on new car. I just couldn’t afford them both.

[@nikosky4028]

Congratulations on your c8. I just got one too. At first I was going to buy a c7 grand sport until I seen the c8 htc in person. It's one of the most beautiful cars on the road and the attention it gets is insane.

[@ghass7016]

I'll take this over the C8 all day long.

[@RaitisRides]

Same here brother!

[@usa174]

One day I will own one from each generation. 🚗

[@RaitisRides]

Now that is a dream plan!

[@westa1762]

If the manuals were so damn great & the subs switched from their Kias, they’d still be making em.