Is the 4090 actually worth it? RTX 4070 Ti Super vs RTX 4090- The Ultimate Comparison!!!

[@SUBCHVRGE]

upgraded from a 2060 to a 4070 ti super and i couldnt be happier with my decision

[@m.poppins4843]

thinking about making the jump from 1060 myself

Upgraded to a 6700 XT from a GTX 960 2GB... :D

[@Leonardo.ohime.i]

i went from 1060 3 gb to it

[@masterlee1988]

@@Leonardo.ohime.i That's an insanely huge upgrade!

[@kjellbeats]

why do y'all never consider amd gpus? loving mine, zero driver issues or whatever ppl are talking about

[@marsMayflower]

went with a 4070ti super... it runs everything I throw at it just fine. can't justify spending 1800 bucks on a GPU. Money is worth more than pixels, to me.

[@iamspencerx]

Yeah the 4070ti screams money over pixels

[@TheSelleycopter]

100%. I went with a 4080 because the 4090 costs almost $1,000 USD more where I live. With framegen + DLSS, hoping to be able to use the card for atleast 8+ years on 1440p ultrawide.

[@TooBokoo]

@@TheSelleycopter Honestly, the 4080/7900XTX are the sweet spots right now, which is sad to say because they're both $900-$1000 cards. But, spending an extra $800+ on a 4090 for an extra 20%-30% depending on the title just isn't worth it, whatsoever.

[@TheVanillatech]

@@TooBokoo 7900GRE / 7800XT are the sweet spot I think? Depending on what screen youre driving (refresh rate / resoultion). Both around £500-£550 and more than capable cards, unless you just HAVE to run games in 4K native. If I wanted anything "better" I'd fish around for a new or refurbed 6950XT for around the same price. No chance I'd ever pay over £600 for ANY graphics card. And I'm *old* so I got money in the bank! :D

[@An-intricate-man]

@@iamspencerx4070 ti super* 4070 ti is a bad gpu

[@NORTHERNLIGHTSCUSTOMPCSE-fx4mk]

stop apologizing for your kid's man you have a great channel and you have kids they are just being kids if people do not understand they should not be here this is the most informational channel I have found

[@albertforline9175]

He said deal with it. He was not apologizing

[@DMTEntity88]

Stop glazing

[@danielowentech]

Thought I'd give channel Members early access to this one since I'm done making it, but I don't want to post two videos on the main channel feed on the same day.

[@caxacar8901]

wow

[@neilstack4194]

20.50 Dan " Honestly, it's the internet!!" A gr8 roundup of games Dan, love the romper stomper background effects too. Good job

[@rem_0]

Over 40% of the scene budget went on this sfx ☝️

[@Neovalen]

Just finished the video and I think he is spot on with today's comparison. My opinion (as a current 4090 owner) is that if you want the best of the best, wait for the 5090 at this point. If you bought the 4090 near launch (like I did) then it was 100% worth it for the enjoyment I got out of it for the entire generation.

[@lk5388]

90 series cards should be bought at launch. You will only have foreseeable 2 years of dominance until the sucessor will supersede it.

[@Lattestone671]

Well said, I own 3080 ti and want to just get the best now. I will wait for the 5090 even though I want the 4090. It's better to wait at this point in time.

[@Disco_Tek]

Its also use case. I mess around with AI image and video generation quite a bit and the 4090 is completely worth it. Depending on price I may even go up to the 5090 once we see what the VRAM limits are to it.

[@PanthalassaRo]

​@@Lattestone671Yep same GPU I'm considering upgrading to AM5 and get a 50 series card somewhere next year.

[@ZackSNetwork]

@@lk5388Facts especially with them being so huge and taking up a lot of power.

[@falcon6329]

I remember when a gtx 1070 used to be called a high end gpu

[@crazedhark5200]

still rocking mine lol 1070 ti xD

[@b-ranthatway8066]

Upgraded to a 7900xtx from a 1070. Should be arriving today. Never had RT, so it's not as important to me, but the 7900gre and 78(9)00xt are at great prices 👌 (was even considering getting a 7700xt for a high-end 1080p and mid 1440p.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@brunoutechkaheeros1182 is it just you or all people lazy these days ? 1070 isn't even 8 years old literally could've googled that in 5 seconds.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@crazedhark5200 that was a good card.

[@masterlee1988]

I'm still on my GTX 1070 but it's getting retired in 2025(with either RDNA 4 or RTX 5000 series gpu).

[@boaether]

The 4070 Ti Super is such a good card. Great value in the Nvidia GPU stack. 67% of a 4090 for a bit less than 50% of the price (at least in the EU). At 1440p the 4070 Ti Super is killer.

[@user-eu5ol7mx8y]

It's a fantastic 1440p card. Recently though I got myself a VR headset and I'm already tempted to upgrade. Those prices though..

[@b-ranthatway8066]

I wanted to go with a 4090, but the power connector issues turned me away. (The price as well) For what the best can get you, there should be zero issues. Period.

[@briank3754]

There are no issues, just plug the cable in properly and it will work fine . Don’t use those stupid angled adapters. I’ve had a PNY Verto and now the MSI Liquid Suprim X and they work fine. 18 months of heavy usage and overclocking with Flight Sim in VR on the Varjo Aero. Trust me the 4090 is getting pushed to the max and performing beautifully.

[@daedalus6433]

@@briank3754 Meanwhile the normal PCI-E connector never had this issue. Cope

[@jasonb110]

Calm down @daedalus6433… there are plenty of 4090s in existence that HAVEN’T set on fire. My 4090 Verto has never had a problem as well. Stop telling people to cope that actually have the product without issues.

[@SamiJuntunen1]

​​@@briank3754There are still lots of cases with proof that cable was connected fine and it melted. No adapters. Still only 0.1% of users or less but loosing 2000e gpu sucks! At the 4000 series launch 4090 was the only good gpu imo for people like me with 3080. I skipped it though.

[@daedalus6433]

@@jasonb110 I will trust Gamers Nexus over you, thank you.

[@TrinoDR]

Glad you made this comparison I've been thinking about downgrading my 4090 to something similar, built a media center for another room with a 4070 in it and the performance isn't bad at all even @ 4k I find there's always a combination of settings to make things look great!

[@prashantmishra9985]

What do you do for a living?

[@sturmim]

Oh... you made a video about me and my buying-history of the TiS. That's nice. Which honor! 😀

[@Dionyzos]

I went all the way down from a 4090 PC to a Steam Deck and I'm gaming more than ever.

[@fawkkyutuu8851]

This is an interesting take I've never heard before , what made you do this and how did it turn into helping you game even more and without regret? I'm curious..

[@Natzawa]

That happened to me with my 3090 for a while. But it only lasted a couple months. Then went back to gaming on my desktop again. I don’t mind gaming on my tablet though. The screen is larger than the Steam Deck and I get more FPS on my tablet VS the SD. I just stream my games from my PC to it with almost no latency.

[@H4GRlD]

I also have a 3090, been gaming less and less but the Deck gives me my most gaming enjoyment nowadays. I'm working from my desk the whole day, so I just don't want to spend even more time sitting there, being able to play something while moving even just one room away is really nice.

[@Dionyzos]

@@fawkkyutuu8851 I was very curious about the hype and I love trying new tech gadgets so I bought one to see what it's all about. It's hard to explain why I enjoy it so much more. Having such a small device that can play everything, everywhere, while only consuming 15W of power is just fascinating to me. Throwing thousands of dollars and 500+ watts of power at a game when you can experience it with a 500$ 15W device seems kinda... wasteful? Sometimes less is just more :) And also, being able to just press a button and immediately be back in the game that I left the day before is a game changer. I heard people call it the backlog killer and that absolutely rings true for me as well.

[@KarlParl]

Why don't you just stream from your PC to your steam deck with sunshine/moonlight?

[@themetalnoir2233]

Imagine the possibilities: with a 4070 Ti Super, you can build an entire PC for the same price as a standalone 4090! 💥💻🔥

[@xSIJUx]

straight fax, no printer

[@mattnielsen7639]

@@xSIJUx 🤣

[@iwantgoat]

so? computers are cheap entertainment.

[@thescouselander5531]

I've got the 4070 Ti S in my rig which I use with a 1440p monitor and it easily handles everything I throw at it. The 4090 would have been serious overkill for me at least.

[@groenevinger3893]

do you know how computers work? 🤔

[@thescouselander5531]

Yes, I do but, so what?

[@cronos4267]

I agree. I went with the 4070 ti super too. I couldn't justify spending the money for a 4080 super or a 4090. Crazy prices.

[@D00RYA]

4090 is for VR and local AI purposes, lets be honest there.

[@Moonbogg]

Got a 4070Ti Super for my valve Index. It felt like the only choice for me really and it's great.

[@fabthefab75]

After 8 and 10 long years of service , both my 970 ti and my 1070 retired and now run in two office PC. They enjoy their easy life under the sun. A young 4070 super and a 7800 xt took their places. I hope they will last half that long to be a happy camper.

[@MetalFreaken007]

great video! i'm saving up like crazy till march, to get new gpu combo with 7800x3d 64gb ram! can't wait to see what the new gpu deliver in performance!

[@clinten3131]

Great to see you are happy and your kids are happy. Great content as always.

[@RolanTHUNDER]

4070 Ti Super is very impressive considering its MSRP vs the hugely expensive 4090. Of course we'd all take the 4090 if cost was of no concern but since it is for most people, the 4070 Ti Super is a solid high performer.

[@kathrynck]

Made the switch to 4k, and got a 4090. Do love it. but it's definitely very "enthusiast tier", financially. I would recommend 95% of people should probably look more at a 4070 Ti Super & 1440p.

[@michaelthompson9798]

I got my RTX 4090 at launch and it’s been a great gaming and production GPU. I think thou were going to need to see some real performance advancement by GPU manufacturers over the next couple generations to see the acclaimed graphical benefits touted by Nvidia in gaming.

[@TheVanillatech]

Nvidia are far more focussed on AI right now, than discrete gaming GPUs. Far more profit it in for them.

[@liquidstudios-gamer]

4090 is a legendary card - i use it with 144hz 4K monitor Gsync and its incredible. I got mine at launch and could not be happier but caveat being i use it for Rendering as well as gaming, depends on your application otherwise i would not reccomend it at the price range.

[@DELTA9XTC]

19:43 interesting, 4090 has a massive 60% lead here and this is when it draws 430 watts of power. In all the other games that came before, I think it only drew like 350-380 watts tops, usually around the 330-350 watts range even. Usually the power limit of a 4090 is at 450 watts. Its weird, that it didnt get fully used in the other games, maybe they were all a little CPU limited, even at 4k? and Resident Evil is the first of those games that doesnt limit the CPU so it lets the 4090 to reach its full potential, thats why it is able to draw the 430 watts and come close to its 450 watts power limit? thats also the first benchmark where the difference is so big, its freaking 60% faster. very interesting, interesting indeed.

[@FlumoniX]

Very interesting 🫢😂

[@TheVanillatech]

Averages just a 20-30% lead though. And for a 200% price tag increase. Terrible. TERRIBLE INDEED!!!!

[@squirrelsinjacket1804]

5090 will pry be pushing 600W unless they've made big efficiency gains

[@cosmic_gate476]

@@TheVanillatechlikely still at least 50%. 4090 was 65% faster than the OG 4070Ti

[@TheVanillatech]

@@cosmic_gate476 Did you watch the video? ffs 😝

[@SiqFix]

All you need these days is an RTX 4070 Super or RX 6800 XT/7800 XT

[@yazi2879]

my 6800xt can do ray tracing no prob in alan wake 2

[@SiqFix]

@@yazi2879 most games don’t even need ray tracing the only game I’ve use ray tracing for was Sword and Fairy 7 one of the most demanding games and without ray tracing the game doesn’t look as beauftiful

[@HOMELANDERRR0]

People said that about the 3060 ti couple years ago but now it’s useless because of 8 gb vram.. 4070 super will share the same fate at 1440p. 16 gb minimum is the way for 1440p

[@niebuhr6197]

​@@HOMELANDERRR0 it plays all games fine at 1080p. Your opinion is what's useless

[@masterlee1988]

@@HOMELANDERRR0 Yeah I'm definitely going at least 16GB for my next gpu.

[@Natzawa]

My 3090 still holding up so gonna wait until the 5090 or 6090 comes out. Still great for VR too.

[@thejontao]

I upgraded from a 3070 to a 4070 TI Super maybe two weeks ago. I’m trying to get another 2 years of life out of my current AM4 setup. I considered a 4090, but new ones don’t seem to exist anymore, they’re SO expensive, and I’m afraid I’d have to buy a new power supply to run it, anyway. The problem is that I went from a 1080p monitor to a 1440 ultra-wide a couple months ago (for work and desktop reasons, not gaming reasons) and I had to F around a lot with the monitor and video card and game quality settings, and was never really happy with any of the results. So I got the 4070 TI Super instead of building a new A5 setup. For Cyberpunk at Psycho, no ray tracing, it can handle 3440x1440 at good FPS no problem. However, the VRAM consumption was under 8GB, so I felt like I was wasting the additional 8GB of memory, which is why I chose the 4070 TI Super. Plus, I’d been playing with all Ray Tracing enabled (no path tracing) for the past two years, and I didn’t like going back to Psycho settings (which I acknowledge are really good, already.) I ended up settling for 36 FPS (I can’t make it to 48 FPS, which is the next option) V-Sync locked, path tracing enabled (so, all max settings), DLSS at quality, no frame generation. My GPU runs at 75% to 85% utilization, so the 36 FPS is really stable. VRAM consumption is about 13GB max, system RAM never goes above 16GB (I’ve got 32), although my CPU is working hard. If I’m driving really fast between different areas of Night City, the GPU and CPU seem to take turns being the limit. I could probably take the CPU out of the equation if I had a 5800X3D, but they are hard to come by. There are new 5700X3Ds available, and if I was upgrading from a 1600X or 3600X it’d be worth the money, but I’m running a 5600X and I’m not convinced that the performance benefits of a 5700X3D over the 5600X are worth the cost of a new same-generation processor. I can’t complain about my 4070 Ti Super. It’s working hard enough. But 3440x1440 is too much for it if I want 60 FPS and either full Ray Tracing or Ray Tracing without DLSS in Cyberpunk.

[@Brodda-Syd]

Yes! In 2014 I bought a Dell 4K 32 inch monitor and since then I have been struggling to game at 4K with many sli builds. The RTX 4090 is the ONLY High-Refresh 4K gaming GPU

[@jeanrushmer8192]

4k existed back in 2014 🤯

[@Brodda-Syd]

@@jeanrushmer8192 It most certainly did. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqazoZKvpr-ehLc

[@Brodda-Syd]

@@jeanrushmer8192 Yep. Dell UP3214Q

[@TheVanillatech]

@@jeanrushmer8192 I was playing Quake III in 1920x1440 back in 2003.

[@TheVanillatech]

It really isn't. It ccouldn't even hold 60fps in every game in 4K max settings on it's day of release, let alone NOW! That's 60fps. Not "high refresh". If you want to drive an OLED 120Hz screen at max refresh + fps, you're gonna have to upscale from 1200p or so. In WHICH CASE, you ain't running at 4K, are ya? You're running at 1200p. Which is less than 1440p. 4090 is the fastest GPU available. But it ain't a 4K card. It's like 20-30% faster than the XTX, but costs 200% the price! XD I'd rather buy me AND my daughter a 7900XTX EACH, and get a McDonalds with the change.

[@paulm6198]

If you're a DL researcher, then this comparison completely makes sense. Because all you care about is memory size per $. And for 30xx/40xx series there's actually only: - 3060 12 GB (good start) - 3080 12 GB (ok if cheaper than 4060 Ti 16 GB) - 4060 Ti 16 GB (ok for most models) - 4070 Ti Super (16 GB, much faster) - 3090 & 4090 (24 GB) Other GPUs are not worth it, as they don't provide any memory size improvements over models cheaper in their lineup.

[@Efsaaneh]

God i would totally buy a 4070 TiS if I had the money

[@fdiskformat5049]

My Asus Strix 4090 is more then 1 year old :) I got it on day 1 and totally loved it !!

[@HanSolo__]

When 4090 is talking about its own price: "You would be better off using such money to replace the engine in your motorboat or to drop your shitty bike and buy a proper motorcycle"

[@groenevinger3893]

😂

[@electricant55]

proper motorcycle for under $2k, suuuuuure

[@Xist-Mob]

I’m definitely an enthusiast, I started with a gtx 1070 in 2016 purchased purely for the Battlefield one release, I carried that warrior with me for 6 years with heavy overclocked usage. When the 30 series was teased and or leaked, the generational performance gains alone sold me immediately and I fought for my life to get a 3070 due to gpu production issues. I found a plastic sealed brand new 3070 on offer up for just about $30 higher than msrp (I honestly love these people who buy a couple, one for themselves and one to sell for a SMALL profit. I’m not talking about scalpers, I also got my og AirPods Pro after they sold out for exactly msrp on OfferUp). Two years later here I am with my 6 month old 4090, destroying anything I throw at it at 1440p 165hz, the raw horsepower is absolutely insane.

[@TheVanillatech]

4090 was £2500 when the 7900XTX was £1100. The "is the 4090 worth it?" boat sailed a LONG TIME AGO! :D

[@TheVanillatech]

@@1984Captive Remember the desolate landscape of the Corona hardware draught? I contemplated cutting my wrists with a spoon.... But "4090 worth it" is scraping the barrel. Less than 2% of the worlds PC gamers can even afford it, and it's price/performance is practically the worst of any GPU EVER in history! XD

[@groenevinger3893]

would not spend money on the amd either.. i think amd cards are handicaped.

[@TooBokoo]

@@groenevinger3893 Depends on your use case. Assuming price is no object - If you are into Raytracing, then a 4090 makes sense. If you just want a large amount of vram and don't care about Raytracing, a 7900XTX would make the most sense. Different strokes for different folks.

[@Kaarzah]

@@TheVanillatech I do I sold my old R9 Fury X for £250, half of when it was brand new and it was 5 years old and it's AIO had been replaced with an air cooler, it was bonkers!

[@TheVanillatech]

@@groenevinger3893 I wouldn't spend over £500 on ANY GPU, and I have been a PC gamer for almost 30 years and I have a pretty nice savings account. But that ain't the point. The 7900XTX, despite being stupidly overpriced (like all todays GPUS) offers INIFINITELY better value to a GAMER (they are GAMING GPUS) than the 4090. It's not even remotely in the same universe.

[@HD-vv4wo]

I upgraded from a RTX 2070 to a 6800XT and i'm more than definitely happy with my decision!

[@EXOWill]

I run a 4070 and I love it for 1440p with max settings. I'm using a 32" curve screen @ 240hz and love how it's performing. But, I'm not real hard to please :)

[@kostello2011]

The main thing that full pc cost with 4070 ti super is around 1.5k$ and with 4090 pc will be around 4k$ that's where you see real difference :)

[@pokuy6756]

I upgraded from gtx 1080>4070 ti super, absolutely ridicilous difference

[@Ultravis66]

4070 ti super owner here. I play 1440p and have no desire to game at 4k. Gaming is so enjoyable for n this card! I love it! Best purchase I ever made and I been building PCs since 2001.

[@iwantgoat]

im still on a 970...

[@GummyDoesYT]

I just like your videos before it even begins playing because I already know its going to be an informative, honest, well edited video thats factually based. Thank you for your time spent to make these videos, really good stuff. Cheers

[@briank3754]

Flight sim in VR with Varjo Aero is using every bit of horsepower that the 4090 has. It is a great card, but I can’t wait for the 5090.

[@goldenheartOh]

A friend of mine got a 4070 for his VR set & it was chugging due to not enough vram. He bought a 4090 and saw his vr needed about 13GB vram. He regrets the impulse buy despite it being super smooth.

[@mrbabyhugh]

1:52 i dont like the size nor the power consumption of the 4080 series in general. That why I am working with 4070 Ti Super AND 4070 Super.

[@decade_of_dust8810]

I have an RTX 2080 Ti. Waiting for the 50 series to come out maybe in six months is not too bad.

[@PabloB888]

I have just bought a second hand 2080ti. It should be a decent upgrade over my GTX1080 and run PS5 ports (like TLOU1) without problems. At first I wanted to buy a new 4070tiSuper / 4080S now, but I would probably regret spending 800/1000$ a few months before the launch of a new generation. With the RTX2080ti the waiting for the RTX5000 series should be a bit easier.

[@decade_of_dust8810]

@@PabloB888 The 2080 is not that bad of a GPU. I honestly play a lot of older Steam games so for me it works great.

[@PabloB888]

@@decade_of_dust8810 The RTX2080ti just arrived but it's damaged. The GPU clock is stuck at 1350MHz and I cannot see the voltage settings. It seems that this 2080TI has been heavily mined and the voltage regulator has blown. I'm going to return this card and probably buy a new 4070ti Super.

[@SilvaDreams]

Still running duel 1070's but waiting for the 50xx series to see where they go but if nothing else getting a 4070ti

[@VALxTheEpicGamer]

i'm rockin' the rx7900xtx in my rig... i game on a 4k/240hz monitor at native resolution.. if i enable FSR, would that give me a better picture quality and higher fps??

[@backbaysailor]

Worse picture quality, better fps. It renders the game lower resolution then applies upscaling effect to remove distortion or excessive blurriness. If you're not playing a game for the graphics and do require better fps, then it's worth it however some games do long distance perspective in a way that requires the highest resolution possible to clearly see enemies. Example, Diablo 4 using fsr 2 looks good enough and allows 60fps with no stutter. Game like squad on PC requires better graphics to even see the enemy. Lower resolution is a disadvantage because an enemy could literally be 1 pixel big on lower resolution but at least a blob of pixels on higher resolution

[@shrimpwalk8230]

upgraded from 3080 to 4090, experience is insane.

[@emma6648]

Congrats want a medal?

[@hex.-lp5ii]

You must be​ mad. Dude is just happy of his upgrade, good for him.@@emma6648

[@B1u35ky]

@@emma6648 can i get a medal for my 4080? Or is that not good enough?

[@Crazical]

@@emma6648 yes please

[@y0Fiqqy]

@@emma6648 damn bruh you a hater, mans just shared his experience

[@Kevin_RC1]

Settled for 4070 ti super. In my country the 4090 is double the price of 4080. 4070ti Super was on a very good deal that I couldn't pass away. Great video.

[@amireffect6054]

Planning to upgrade from 970 to a 7900 xtx. Can't wait

[@realnamesnotgiven6193]

That will be orders of magnitude better

[@mikaela43523]

@@realnamesnotgiven6193 no shit

[@sasquatchcrew]

AS A 7900XTX saphhire nitro user , its worth it

[@TheVanillatech]

Why the flagship XTX? You use a 4K screen? I'd think the 7900GRE or 7800XT (at like 60% of the price of the XTX) are the best around right now. XTX offers worse price/performance than those. Cost per frame ain't the greatest with the XTX! ;)

[@meowgi5648]

Thank you, this was very informative for me! Gonna go with the Ti Super!

[@azazelleblack]

You said "I don't know why you would buy a GeForce if you're not going to use DLSS." What, really? Ray-tracing performance? CUDA? Superior power efficiency? The excellent new lightweight NVIDIA App? Come on now.

[@WhiteWolfTechGaming]

On average, it looks like there's a 20-40 FPS difference (depending on the game and settings) but that price difference between the two is roughly $1,000 USD...

[@fawkkyutuu8851]

The price difference is insane , I want a 90 GPU to always be able to do 120 or higher natively no matter what , but looks like we have to wait till 6090 for that , till then the 70 ti super tier looks like the sweet spot.

[@TheVanillatech]

Not so long ago, 4090s were listed in the UK around £2300-£2600. At the same time, you could grab a Sapphire 7900XTX for £1150. Less than HALF the price, for 80% of the performance...

[@TheVanillatech]

@@RicochetForce According to Anandtech, over a 25 game benchmark, it's 78.8%. I rounded it up to 80%. But you can have 70% if you like! That gives the 4090 a 30% advantage ... at a cost of 220%! Do the math. The 4090 would have be TWICE as fast as it is in order to break even in terms of value. TO BREAK EVEN! Not even to WIN! Why are you even arguing? People who argue in the face of such BLATANT logic are the reason Nvidia sold 400% more 4060Ti 16GB cards than AMD has 7800XT's. Despite the 7800XT completely destroying the 4060Ti 16GB at the same practically the same price point. And the reason that Nvidia will charge $500 for the next entry level gaming GPUs.

[@TheVanillatech]

@@fawkkyutuu8851 Price difference is SMALLER now than it was for at least 15 months! For ,most of the 4090's shelf life, it was $2500 (or even higher) compared to $1100 for a 7900XTX. Literally 2.5x more expensive! For a 20-30% fps increase! Insane.

[@TheVanillatech]

@@RicochetForce Sure, but RTX is a gimmick. Always has been since Turing. Theres a reason that only 2% of ALL the games released on STEAM in the last 12 months have RT implementation, and 98% do not. It's a gimmick, it looks incredible in Quake and Quake II (30 year old games....), but as a "main feature" it's ridiculous to consider, and to argue about. AI is another non-starter for me. I'm a GAMER. I have been buying GPU's since the late 90's, to play VIDEO GAMES WITH. Not to encode videos, not to ask an AI to do my homework for me or to draw me a pretty picture or talk to me in David Attenboroughs voice. I play games. So I need lots of FPS in games, and because I'm not a PRINCE, I need it to cost a reasonable amount, in comparison to the competition. That's it. That's all. AI, power consumption, raytracing, etc. Couldn't care less. FPS please, at the best price possible. In that regard, 70% of the performance for less than 2/5ths of the price, is an absolute nail in the coffin done deal for me. And sorry but ... saying that a £900 GPU is overpriced, when it offers 70% of the performance (closer to 80% in reality) of a £2000 GPU, is just bonkers. Did you fail math? You should attend some of Daniels classes.

[@FIVESTRZ]

The RTX 4090 is for the 4090/3090 buyer. They typically NEED its power OR don’t care about its price when deciding on a GPU

[@_Quint_]

I love how, of all people, Jayz2Cents predicted that the Ti Super would eventually become the buyer's pick and everyone's favourite - after its initial dismissal at launch by most short-sighted reviewers (including GN) as bad value. I surmised this outcome too, which is why I picked one up in the first week. Sometimes it's just about being wise.

[@Reluctant_Hero]

Yup, I invested in a 4070 Ti Super in April and I couldn’t be more happier with it. But I did try out the 4070 Super for a week… after that excellent experience I returned and put the money todays the Ti Super.

[@PURENT]

@@lancevance6346 I would have definitely bought a 4070 Ti Super a year ago if it was out, but it wasn't and I went with a 7900 XT. That card needed the 16 gb VRAM for it's price instead of the bare minimum 12.

[@fawkkyutuu8851]

Wise? It was dead obvious , the cheapest NVIDIA entry into 16gb of VRAM and extremely close performance to a grossly overpriced 4080 (and was a rebranded canceled 4080). It will be the same story for 5000 series , you either go 5070 ti super or 5090 , due to the leaked gigantic performance gap between 5080 and 5090 which will render the 5080 once again overpriced horrible value.

[@jeffreyrodriguez9009]

Just got a open box tiSuper for 720 feels like jackpot!

[@kinglew0773]

It’s honestly a decent card. I’m glad with what I have though, I scored my Gigabyte Gaming OC 4080 back in February for $850

[@NCamico]

I feel super-lucky to have gotten a 4090 at MSRP. The persistent markup on that card feels unearned, but I suppose that's what a lack of technical competition does.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

The mark up coming from the semi pro "value" not so much from lack of competition.

[@ConnorH2111]

It's not even worth the extra $1200 over the 4070 super

[@infinite7633]

Either way I can buy a good looking USED car in my country or get a fucking RTX4090 just to play games, and thats just a GPU... 💀

[@mikaela43523]

@@infinite7633 you can play games on a 3060/6600xt too whats the problem? need those shiny piss puddles? buy a new car and save some money

[@adlibconstitution1609]

​@@infinite7633 a good looking USED car in my country is like 4 4090's

[@infinite7633]

@@adlibconstitution1609 a fine family car can be gotten for AED.12,000.00, and the cheapest version i could find of RTX4090 was AED.9,000.00, and the most expansive one was AED.25K

[@brenobonfim5749]

12GB is not enough, Ti Super is the bare minimum.

[@DELTA9XTC]

Daaaaaaaaniel what is with your new 4k 240hz WOLED monitor? Still waiting for your video about it. Almost feels like you didnt get it yet? or do you want to test it a few weeks before you talk about it? Im planning to buy a 240hz 4k OLED, Im leaning towards one of the QD-OLEDs but Im still really curious about your opinion of the WOLED, since you know how QD-OLED (even tho I dont think youve seen the newest gen panels, right? the ones that are used in the 4k240 MSI, ASUS, Alienware monitors?) looks, Ive never seen either in RL

[@AleksiJoensuu]

Just gonna say: Don't worry about the stomping. The kids deserve to play more than we deserve a clean soundtrack ❤ I'm glad you have've taken the "that's how we roll here" attitude. Cheers Daniel!

[@GKSchattenjaeger]

I have to wonder how the availability of the initial 50 series variants will be, and pricing. I imagine both will be absurd, in opposite directions.

[@dreadful4684]

I only consider 90 cards in the current market because of VR

[@robbrg246]

I have a 4070 and in some vr games it feels like there not hitting the max refresh rate when I'm maxing things out in vr lol. So maybe your on to somthing

[@dreadful4684]

@@robbrg246 oh yeah most definitely. For most games that had VR built from the ground up even a 3070 is sustainable in most cases, but then you start to get into stuff like modded Blade and Sorcer, Skyrim VR, and even Minecraft where the VRAM and just straight power isn't enough anymore. Skyrim VR is my go to right now and that uses around 16GB alone. I use the Q2 and want minimum 90Hz shooting for 120Hz.

[@robbrg246]

@dreadful4684 yup. don't get me wrong though, the experience is still great

[@dreadful4684]

@@robbrg246 I dont doubt that, I really am just talking about having complete freedom. Though I agree the 4070 will last you a while for sure. PSVR2 boost things and the 4070 offers way more power than the PS5

[@dreadful4684]

@AnonymousUser-ww6ns I think you're right for sure. Depends on the case use, but so long as you are doing just the mainstream VR which will probably stick with PSVR2 levels then you'll be good for about everything. I play Skyrim VR alot which is 1. Old 2. Unoptimized 3. Modded to living hell, and finally 4. past what most people would do as it takes a lot of finicking

[@Squeenix1]

Should I buy a prebuilt 4090 or wait unknown amount of time for 5000 series gpus?

[@senhorkorracha]

Wait what, is there really a Ti Super card??????

[@c1nqbl7]

Yes

[@Geomlord]

Yes, it's a relatively recent release

[@TheVanillatech]

Nvidia GTX RTX Titan Super Ti AMP! Edition (c) The More You Buy - the more u SAVE!

[@zaraizara2794]

Comparison of power consumption between NVIDIA and AMD GPUs, please.

[@TheZROLimit]

I have the 4070ti super why am I watching this lol

[@bigmatth23]

To see if you did the right thing ;) And you did!

[@rodiculous9464]

I like this video, very helpful. I have been agonizing over wait or buy, still rocking a 1080 but i upgraded everything else. Your video makes an excellent case for a 4070 ti super. That way i can enjoy it for a year or more while all the price wars and scalpers and such settles down, then make an informed decision. With new gpu releases yeah it's "coming soon" but good luck getting one at msrp unless you go FE version and camp the buy button, then who knows what early adopter issues you might run into. Imagine being the guy that bought a 4090 and it fries your computer!

[@band0lero]

I really regret no getting the 4090 when the pricing was better in my region. I could have bought one for around $1800 (believe me, it was cheap, the 4080 retailed at launch for around $1400). That was about a year or so ago, so I would've been using it all this time. Now I feel it's no longer the best time to get it, but I feel the 5090 will be very expensive. Today the same 4090 would be around $2600.

[@axlfrhalo]

same

[@visitante-pc5zc]

Do you live in a socialist country? I do and that price is equally bad

[@kjellbeats]

I'm not a hater or anything, I'm just really trying to understand what would justify spending 1800 bucks on a gpu, are y'all extremely rich?

[@band0lero]

@@visitante-pc5zc Brazil is not very kind to PC hardware, high taxes and devalued currency. It sucks, honestly.

[@Angel7black]

@@visitante-pc5zcevery functional country is a varying socialist degree of socialist so all you’ve suggested to me is what side politically youre on but not what country youre in at all. This could be anything from the US, Canada, Brazil, Denmark, the UK, China, North Korea, Cuba,the typical Venezuela fear mongering ignoring the years of American corrupt intervention that has ruined that country and latin america or the fact that any country will be ruined by a dictator ruling be it far right wing like the nazi or tankie far left like the Soviets. All you have done is possibly rule out Somalia where the government has no power and funding and warlords call all the shots

[@SubtleHustle72]

I built a 4070 TI super w/ 7800 x3D two weeks ago and couldn’t be happier.

[@dragonman910]

If my next choice is nvidia, I'm going with the 4070 ti super. It'll have the horsepower and vram headroom to handle 4k gaming when I upgrade from 1440p. Amd will be the 7900gre.

[@erickelly4107]

Personally think Native 1440p is the "optimal" resolution for both the RTX 4070Ti Super and RTX 4090 - No visual artifacts nor negative impacts to input lag via "frame gen"

[@soraceant]

I'll never regret getting the 4090.

[@lolitaexpresspilot88]

wait until they will release 5090 with some feature that won't be available on your brick, you gonna be out riding to wallmart, goyim

[@visitante-pc5zc]

Mah man

[@SATOhara3173]

I'm still a 1080p gamer so I opted for the 4070 Ti Super

[@MrBeetsGaming]

Don't care about raytracing, perfectly happy with the 7900 gre so far. Can't imagine paying 600+ for a GPU personally.

[@LeaveMyGun]

So youre not playing at highest settings, ok

[@stevenszmek7007]

I still don't get people buying a 90s card. It's just a waste of money considered the performance increase. Nvidias prices are already a joke - and someone buying a 90s card is not the "smartest" person in my eyes. At least if it's just for gaming and not for business...

[@SilvaDreams]

Bragging rights mostly. The 90's are essentially what the big enthusiast cards were in the older series. Most people running at 4K are sitting infront of a 30ish in screen (or a big curved one) and sitting 3ft away if not closer and leaning in so they can "see" the difference because they are staring at a single pixel.. But 4K is based on a large screen and sitting 10ft away (minimum)

[@justevil100]

I moved from a 5800x / xfx 6800xt build to a 78003d / 4070ti super. I have been extremely happy with the upgrade. It's an excellent 1440p expirence.

[@extra4542]

came from a 2070 super to a 4070 ti super and I've been able to run everything at max settings well above 60fps (120+ fps on COD MW3) on my ultrawide 38" 1600p monitor. It's been amazing and I think the best value for most consumers trying to spend a little more if they care about having 16 VRAM for headroom potentially for games in the future. I just refuse to spend 1000+ let alone $2000 on a GPU.

[@jasonspain3554]

With things like DLSS, Lossless Scaling, and Framegen mods my RTX 3080 is doing just fine. Skipped the 4000 generation and may skip the 5000 generation.

[@visitante-pc5zc]

Will you skip 6000?

[@GM-Shenmue]

@@visitante-pc5zc surely no one will skip the 9000 series!!!!

[@ravenger2445]

You can use a 2nd GPU to handle Lossless Scaling framegen. For example, a 1660 super is enough to seperately framegen at 1440p Doing this drastically improves performance, as it enables you to use framegen with no impact on base FPS. That is a LOT cooler than anything Nvidia has done in a while.

[@visitante-pc5zc]

@@GM-Shenmue mah man

[@phizc]

​@@visitante-pc5zcI'm probably going to upgrade to the 6900 when it comes out.😊

[@MegaYummyjelly]

what about a 4070 ti super for 3440x1440? Is it an ideal fit?

[@KekAuch]

Is nice

[@ehenningsen]

When I got a system with a 4090, i knew the cost wasnt scaled by FPS as much as it was by experience. There are experiences the 4090 gives that the TI Super is a bit short on. That said, the 4070TI Super is a very good card that will give people 95% of all top experiences with no compromise. At 1440p, the 4060 TI is that same card.

[@RandomUnassignedYTHandle]

Nice video as always Daniel. Hope you kept the C1! (With its rolling scan motion clarity a "legendary" display to quote one of your fellow creators. Not a CRT, but versus blurry 60/120Hz without rolling scan absolutely night and day. Such a shame LG removed it from the C2 onwards. OLED and clear motion can exist. And is amazing.)

[@Kryptic1046]

In my opinion, ultra high-end GPU's are rarely worth it this late in the product life cycle, at least not for what the 4090's going for right now. I bought a 4090 in Dec. of '22, but there's no way I'd buy one today unless it was discounted.

[@Krenisphia]

Yeah, IMO there is a small window to buy the top flagship card - within the first 10-12 months of launch. After that it's essentially mid-life and you should wait for the next gen, or buy something much better value-oriented. I got my 4090 in Oct '22 and I've enjoyed a no compromise gaming experience for nearly two years now.

[@phantomzagreb]

Here it's nice to see how little RAM the games actually use, and Hardware Unboxed released a test today, and it doesn't know that there is allocated and dedicated RAM usage, and that the way it presents the comparison doesn't make any sense, because the only important statistic is dedicated RAM usage, which it doesn't have

[@6r3ys0n]

I always buy flagship at launch and wait until a few months before next gen releases to sell. Just sold one of my RTX 4090's for $1500. My other MSI Suprim X SKU is listed and it's on to the 5090.

[@kerotomas1]

That’s actually great thinking. You pretty much only spent a 100 dollars for your 4090 which you were able to use for 1.5 years.

[@theodentherenewed4785]

It's a cunning strategy, but I'm surprised that anyone bought a used RTX 4090 for $1500. Used cards are a risk, because there's a possibility that the previous owner put them under constant heavy loads and they could be close to the end of their life. So it's fair to expect a solid discount on a used GPU.

[@TheVanillatech]

@@kerotomas1 But it ISN'T is it? Every 12 months you sell a 50% depreciated card to buy MSRP again, for a 20-30% increase in performance? That's about the WORST upgrade path for ANYONE except six figure salary earners. The idea of buying flagship is so you can SKIP a generation. Not to spend massive money every fricken year. DOH! :d

[@6r3ys0n]

@@theodentherenewed4785 Unfortunately, solid discounts don't really exist when it comes to the RTX 4090. It's hard to find any used 4090 under $1400 on the used market and they are usually baseline Zotac and PNY cards. I would say it's common practice for most people who spend over a thousand dollars on a GPU to treat it with the utmost care and keep it in pristine condition. There are the few who don't. That being said, even if a card were under constant load for 2 years before the next generation came out it wouldn't be anywhere near the end of it's life span. The remaining 4090 I have still has 3 years of warranty, hasn't been opened repasted or anything because it doesn't need it. Max temps about 65c on the core and the memory has never even cracked above 62c even pushing 600w when stress testing different 12vhpwr native cables studying the vdroop the hotspot has never went over the early 80s. I should probably also mention i've been through like 7 4090's. I personally never usually have one card for more then 6 months. When it first launched I bought and returned 4 different 4090's at microcenter just to get one that didn't have atrocious coil whine. That's when I learned to stay away from Asus with the 4000 series. But I learned my lesson. I don't care about special binning processes any of that anymore. Law of the cheapest model because none of these companies care enough. A Tuf 4090 is literally a Strix, same exact PCB, minus a few phases. Different cooler. Practically same results cooling and noise wise. Same with the Suprim X and gaming trio from MSI. Same PCB, minus a few phases. Same story rings true for Gigabyte Gaming and Aorus Master as well as the Zotac Extreme Amp Airo and baseline Zotac. With the 3000 series I bought one FE 3090 and sold it off when 4000 series released. Hated that card. Anyways, I never spent money beyond half of what went into the 4090 plus what I made off of the 3090. Everything else came from trades and buying monitors and other PC parts from an Amazon auction called OLA. Just the other day I got a 240hz OLED for $120 in perfect condition brand new. Lucky I won that bid and nobody saw it. So now i'm listing it for about $450. Generally though, my plan is always to buy on launch, and I sell 1Q away from launch to spend the least amount as possible on the new card. That's why I always keep my boxes pristine, along with everything else original that came in the packaging.

[@6r3ys0n]

@@TheVanillatech Some people only care about the fastest. Not stretching their rig for generations. I lost approx. $220 including tax on that 4090 big whoop 😂 Mayfield Microcenters tax is 8%. I can make that back in a day. My good friend bought a Zotac 4090 for $1110 about 6 months ago (ten dollars was because the dude was so awful at COD when testing the card for him, he challenged him to get 10 kills for $10 on paypal) and this dude let it go so cheap because he was a weeb who had bought the red Strix EVANGELION 4090 when it first dropped. He felt so guilty he got rid of that card so fast when Nick offered him cash money. You could probably find a good deal like that if you care about "bargains" just gotta look.

[@garfywarfy]

Heistent of buying a 50 series soley because I'd still have to bring the rest of my parts up to date, 40 series would be a nice luxury to have but the 4070 ti Super is the workin man's card. Just ordered a GALAX 16gb to replace a EVGA 2070 Cannot thank you enough for this guide, even 5 months later

[@justagameplayingcomputeruser]

With all this FPS talks has built me up an appetite, going to buy me a hundred dollars worth of barbeque and have a feast.

[@richshrimp7680]

Always love these videos even if youve done a ton of them! Always entertaining for me lol

[@Tectosaurus]

Upgraded from a 3080 to a 4090, I never have to worry about lowering settings. I play at 4K, crank everything to max and done. Zero regrets

[@soraceant]

Same and i've never regretted it.

[@shrimpwalk8230]

same, haven't regretted once. my wallet, maybe. me, no.

[@Lowkey-yb4nm]

@@shrimpwalk8230lol

[@VALxTheEpicGamer]

i'm using AMD rx7900xtx... i also play at 4k with everything cranked to max... this 7900xtx card is on par with the 4090, while $700 cheaper... i've done all the benchmarks Daniel did here on the same games, and while the 4090 does offer slightly better performance (and much better ray tracing) then the 7900xtx, the differences are really not that significant... 7900xtx/rtx4090 are in the same class, with the 4090 having a slight edge... overall, and considering the price difference, i firmly believe the rx7900xtx is much better value than 4090

[@soraceant]

@@VALxTheEpicGamer if you say so.

[@TheGrace020]

Another great video! thanks Daniel! might get a 4070ti super or 4080 super or wait if i can hold myself 🤪

[@minnidot]

im online too much

[@TheVanillatech]

Get a new hobby! Try smoking.

[@jpcapone]

Hearing the kids in the background is soo funny. Keep grindin'!!

[@morrays1996]

Fuck yeah it is 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@rjayp5843]

3080 10g to 4070 ti super worth it for 1440p or not?????. I play AC Odyssey, Valhalla, Warzone and fornite.......

[@Steven-ex3ne]

Tl;dr the 4090 is a monster

[@johndelabretonne2373]

Daniel, I'm curious how you would feel if the difference in price between these two was more like $640 (so around an 80% price increase instead of more than double)? I consider that while the 4090 costs more, it would also probably last a few extra years in my system, and when I'd decide to sell it, it would most likely still be worth more than double what the 4070 ti Super is worth, netting me more equity toward my next GPU upgrade. This is seldom brought up reviewers, but it's an important aspect to consider for me...

[@danielowentech]

I think the 4090 would lose more total value as soon as it's surpassed in performance. For example, I could see it dropping to $800 or less by the time the 4070 drops to $500 or so.

[@Hless421]

Upgraded from a 2080ti to the 4070 ti super and in CP 2077 went from playing at 1600x900 getting mid-high 20 fps with RT overdrive to 80-90 fps thanks to frame generation. With frame gen off the response is not very good. It's a game changer and the card cost a bit more than half of what I paid for the 2080ti.

[@Mikkey_Gee]

Great video for a 4070 ti super owner like myself! Good to know how it'll perform. 👌 Wanted to get a 4080 but my computer was limited with regard to card length, so had to go with a gigabyte 4070 ti super, which was the only card under 300 mm I could find. I love it. Cyberpunk in 4k RT overdrive w/ DLSS P + FG is a little rough I agree. I don't mind the latency too much as I'm playing with a controller. However there are quite a few artifacts. But if you can live without PT then it's all good. 4k high DLSS P with RT Ultra and no FG is above 60 with rare exceptions.

[@ysfex3sew]

I have a 4070tis now, but I initially bought a non super. It is actually a couple inches longer than the super. So long that it didn't fit because I still have a case with a drive cage. Until I Dremel sawed a piece out of the cage.

[@ak33mc]

This is a great conversation topic. Well worth having with current prices

[@wildonezgaming7630]

@danielowentech I was always curious since you are a hardware guy to see your take on cloud gaming particularly Geforce Now. It is really impressive and I wanted to see you do a comparison with native vs cloud and the pros and cons. Bandwidth, Latency, Price vs investment in a gaming rig, etc. Maybe it will lead you into a rabbit whole of experimenting. Thanks love your content as always!!

[@MrSasasahaa1]

and what about ultrawide qhd (3440x1440) resolution? yeah, it's something between qhd and 4k, but is it enough to buy rtx 4070 ti s? or should I take 4080s? thx in advance

[@H4GRlD]

While I don't have either of these GPUs or this resolution, I own a 3090 with a 5120x1440 display. So I have a less performing card pushing almost 4K and I'm happy with the results. I would say it really depends on your use cases, if you're ok with not using the highest settings in the latest games, using DLSS Q, and so on I'd say you're more than fine with the 4070Ti S, of course you get better performance with the 4090 but for twice the price. For me personally it's not worth it when I can get 100+ fps with high settings and DLSS Q, if money is not a concern you probably wouldn't be writing this comment. 1440p is 2/3 of the raw pixel count compared to what you're using, you can get a rough estimate if you multiply what you see in this video by 0.6666

[@QuentinStephens]

ISTM price goes up with the square of the performance increase. So if the 4090 is offering 1.50 x of the performance then, the square of that is 2.25 and sure enough the card costs just over double. You said that the 4080 was a 10% improvement (i.e. 1.1x the performance) and the square of that is 1.21 and sure enough the cards are about 20% apart in price. How far does this stretch down the product stack? I own a 4090, bought on launch day. When the 40 series came out it was immediately obvious that it was the best value card. But now, as you have demonstrated, that is no longer the case.

[@dkindig]

I have a 7800X3D/4070 Ti Super and I've been experimenting with super resolution (4k render and downscale to 1440), with an eye on maybe picking up a 4k monitor. It lets me get a good idea what I have to do to maintain enough fps for a good experience and even downscaled there is a perceptible improvement in image quality. Looks like DLSS Quality is going to be my best hope. BUT, if I'm going to get a decent 32" OLED I need to be hitting 100 fps or so. This method lets me play with settings and see what I have to change to get desired results.

[@Aseapia]

I think the 7900 XT would be a better choice than the 4070 TI. That extra vram it's going to come in handy in a couple years.

[@rdnowlin1206]

How do you go from 69fps w/ 4070 Ti S to 44fps w/ 4070Ti S?? Your numbers don't make sense comparing 4070 S and 4080 S vs 4070Ti S

[@beirch]

Any chance you can do a 7900GRE comparison with its competitors with a mid-range CPU? In your test vs the 4070 Super you used a 7800X3D, but from what I've seen the gap to even the 4070Ti Super with something like a 5800X3D is considerably lower, even at 1440p. Which means it shouldn't necessarily be a CPU bottleneck, but a question of Nvidia GPUs seemingly getting to stretch their legs a little with a 7800X3D or 13/14900K.

[@Johnny-tu6cf]

I've got a RX 6800 and am looking for a 4070 ti s or 7900 xt performance for my next card but can't justify their prices. I paid $325 for my RX 6800 (on par with the 3070 ti but with 16gb vram) 1.5 years ago and very happy with the card and performance.

[@TheVanillatech]

You're in no mans land really. Still have a capable card, but will have to spend a lot on a slight upgrade. Current market is terrible. 7800XT or 7900GRE would be the best choices, at around £510-£550. And sell your 6800. Or look for one of the last 6950XT's. I'm sure some will magically "appear" near to Black Friday. Or wait it out for a generation. You said you're happy with the card. Grab a 7900XTX next year when they bottom out in price! XD