Is The Beelink HX 370 Mini PC AI Ready?

[@FrenziedManbeast]

Whew Wendell at $1,000 USD this doesn't feel very disposable to me! Good gravy that's some serious dough for NUC.

[@DJgregBrown]

£300 extra for those top notch Speakers. PMSL

[@cantstandthecrap]

rather buy two GMKtec K9

[@davefroman4700]

Its not disposable.

[@hugevibez]

These Ryzen AI HX-series chips don't support SO-DIMM memory, so user-serviceable RAM is a no go on this platform. We might get something with CAMM-modules in the future.

[@concinnus]

Are you saying it's soldered DDR5, not LPDDR5? That's a thing?

[@BBWahoo]

Chinese recycled Intel processors win again!

[@catchnkill]

You mean this series of mini pc? AMD AI 9 HX 370 does not dictate that you cannot use SO-DIMM. It is the decision of the mini pc maker. For this series of mini pc, Beelink uses soldered RAM onto the motherboard. The AMD CPU supports DDR5 memory. The CPU does not care whether you use DIMM or SO-DIMM sockets to house the RAM.

[@csstack]

Both LPDDR5X (soldered) and SODIMM DDR5 is supported on Ryzen AI 300 series. This is documented in AMD’s specs page. It is up to the board designers on which they want to use. LPDDR5X has faster speeds and can lower design complexity/cost which is why you see many of the first to market systems using it.

[@elduderino7767]

i just wish the old ddr4 sodimms went up to 64gb each, have to use 2 mini pcs for all my servers because 64gb just isn't enough too bad there aren't any 4x sodimm mini pcs

[@perhapsjames_]

Everything is AI ready. Even my socks are

[@annebokma4637]

No. Your socks are alive, you should wash them.

[@AlanSmithee-h6q]

Kind of how a fully threadable ( societially speaking ) technology works. It's a relarively inexpensive layer that can provide value in a lot of places .. and others not so much. Get used to it, really no need to comment and point it out every corner we turn. It's already known/expected

[@DJIsher1]

Didn't know they had the recall feature on socks now. Windows spying is getting deeper and deeper.

[@isbestlizard]

I decided to go with the ser8, being able to stuff 96GB of memory in it is way more useful for AI for me than having a few more mythical TOPS on the soc

[@cem_kaya]

i wonder what models do you run on the cpu ? what workload is usable with that much latency ?

[@ExtremeSquared]

@@cem_kaya A lot of models will run in 64gb. The variable is user patience. I have fully working 14b and 32b local code assistant running on a two generations back mini. I use the 14b when it should be fast and the 32b when the 14b and I are stumped.

[@jongranada]

Take a shot for every time he says “Zen 5”

[@benjamin3044]

ded

[@StoneyKenobi212]

Not even a minute in and im already half a bottle gone.

[@tablettablete186]

Coma

[@tablettablete186]

Speedrun into coma 😂😂😂

[@Deveyus]

Please, I don't wanna die.

[@TheHalo294]

LPDDR5 3750 in AIDA is LPDDR5 7500, the fastest strix point supports, soldered strix Zen5 cores are no the same as Zen5 desktop strix is AVX512 double pumped (like Zen4) and is not full fat AVX512 load and store. Turin Zen5(c) and Ryzen 9000 are full AVX512

[@konic40]

"Background AI tasks" grumble grumble

[@xXx_Regulus_xXx]

if it's doing useful stuff like sorting the mess in my downloads folder into sane categories: 😃 if it's parsing my keystrokes into data for ad companies, insurance companies, etc: 😡

[@jag_g]

$999 and it's 'basically disposable', this statement makes me a little sad with where things are in the PC space 😂

[@tim3172]

So... buy a computer based on ATX standards and stop crying?

[@jag_g]

@@tim3172 I have one of those but that's not really the point I was trying to get at. Building things to be serviceable but still compact/power efficient should be the goal given how bad things are getting with companies churning out instant ewaste on the low end. I have just noticed that in more recent years that more higher end kit is getting more prone to being ewaste.

[@erelpc]

When I bought an Intel NUC I didn't know they have such a short life span. Given how hot the thing runs (8th gen core i5), It's no surprise even after only a 2.5 years, I'm now starting to have problems with it randomly crashing and looks like one of the components are failing (need to find out which but I think it could be the motherboard). Never done any gaming with it, but I guess running multiple virtual machines is quite intensive. I see these type small form factor PCs everywhere, in offices and receptions, and I wonder if their IT departments are aware of their reliability. Perhaps with the usual admin tasks and web browsing, they do last a lot longer.

[@peteblazar5515]

It should have LPCAMM2 slot.

[@obnoxiousvf]

Somethings I would like to see are USB-C power and some form of study plug for an external GPU (something more rugged than a bare PCIe connector)

[@karlgimmedatforfreemarx]

Why usb-c is not the standard already? 😢

[@MarkJeanmougin]

YES! I have the MInisforum UM780. I can power it either with the barrel plug adapter that came with it or via USB-C to either the front or back USB-C ports. It's awesome for travelling! Power over USB-C is now a requirement for me when purchasing a new miniPC.

[@dirtyharry1881]

I don't know about this one, but the Ser8 is actually also USB-C (via the USB-4 plug) powered.

[@ExtremeSquared]

It's a chunky minipc. UsbC is inferior for power when you aren't space constrained like you are with phones and tablets.

[@Sunlight91]

Imagine if AMD would support the IGPU and NPU with ROCm for AI generation. Then with 64+ GB of memory this thing would a beast.

[@Zaf9670]

That and a USB4 cluster of them running a distributed load.

[@GetJesse]

We need THIS.

[@erelpc]

NPU chips are great but it's a shame we're moving further away from general processors to everything being handled by discrete processors like NPUs.

[@FrenziedManbeast]

Anyone know which version of Zen this PC uses?

[@Koop1337]

I think it's an Intel Ultra

[@FrenziedManbeast]

@@Koop1337 Oh you're probably right! 🤣

[@jasonzdora]

Very good performance for low-latency audio interfaces (handles quite a few heavy plugins at 64 samples). It does Thunderbolt so it makes my UAD X4 completely mobile which is awesome for live performance.

[@deegarkie5598]

Hear me out, We've got 8 cores with the same 8MB of cache (1MB/core) as Zen2 4700G(at least this time all 8MB is usable by all 8 cores instead of only 4MB available to any one core), and then 4 cores with the same ammount of cache per core as a 7700x(4MB/core), how about unifying the cache, then dropping those 4 cores and trading them for more cache, say a total of 48MB of cache for those 8 zen4C cores, this frees up memory cycles and bandwith for those 16 RDNA 3.5 CUs Heck if its more efficient to have 8MB of L3, use that freed up space for 48MB of slightly more dense but slower L4 Sure more cache uses more power, but also, you're giving up 4 cores which uses more power than cache, you're going to a unified cache pool instead of a split pool of 16+8 (sort of like in Zen2 mobile 4+4), getting more cache per core, and while not gaming, hitting memory less, going off package less, using less power.

[@r0galik]

My grandma doesn't need Zen 5c and a top of the line GPU ;D Not sure about Wendell's

[@AshtonCoolman]

I would have liked to have seen Oculink and/or Thunderbolt 4 on this thing. Using it with a dGPU would be nice.

[@gerakore8948]

funny how my best bang for the buck 8845 hs is still relevant. really happy with it. thinking of getting a new one but dont know whether to go with the same one for 380 bare bones (i have 32gb from previous build i can pop in and ssd are cheap) or the hx 370 for 1000 32g/1t. it is like 17% difference but the thing that stands out is the 890m igpu. unless you really care about the ai tops but really if i wanted to do ai i can just remote into my home systems and utilize the graphics cards. on second thought upon investigation the 890m does not seem to be that huge of an upgrade from the 780m.

[@salamdamai]

Can it handle 70b LLAMA model? What is the speed per token?

[@dozerd42]

3:18 this is what I envisision Wendell listening to on the daily. The quirkiness fits

[@ShowXTech]

Already hyped for the next Gen Intel MiniPCs. Also haven't seen SO-DIMMs on Strix Point yet.

[@DJgregBrown]

same as Lunar Lake you wan't as it will use CAMM or fix for faster speeds, otherwise it gimping it. You may get cheap chinese mini PC's have SO-DIMM but that would be SO DIM to do.

[@lifefromscratch2818]

I'm more excited by the built in speakers than anything AI. I wish my daily driver mini PC had built in speakers so I don't have to have the little speaker taking up one of my USB ports.

[@DM-qm5sc]

The bios on these is sketchy and getting a newer one requires direct contact from beelink. I suspect these are not a good idea if you have a security worry

[@GalloPhilips]

Going to wake up in a cold sweat sayin "zen 5"

[@akin242002]

The multi-core performance is amazing. According to Cinebench R24 CPU benchmark test, it scores 1130 multi-core performance. That beats the base M4 Mac Mini.

[@EuphoricDan]

I upgraded the memory in my Ser 6 pro. It wasn't too big of a deal. 20 screws or so.

[@axn40]

The memory is shared with the igpu and you therefore have a "gpu" with 32gb (or more) can it run a 20b model?

[@bobo-cc1xw]

Yes but only 32gb of ram. Some of the strix point have 64gb which think is max as a mid to low end cpu Strix halo with 128gb at 256bit and a good gpu and cpu is hype train for 70b model. Will cost but compared to gpu cluster... with 15 core x3d zen 5 so hyped

[@pumpuppthevolume]

mac mini m4 base model vs ....best spec mini pc for similar price any time soon?

[@dinckelman]

The only thing AI is ready for is the burst of its bubble

[@ExtremeSquared]

You should consider demoing ollama now that we're getting into these "ai optimized" hardware minis. It's pretty trivial to set up and run some generic 7b, 32b, 70b tests. The expectation is that performance will collapse at some level. Minipcs have a lot of value as a mobile workstation -- you can fit a mini and a monitor into a checked bag if you're working from the road.

[@bourne_]

Any suggestions for vid encoding (Plex/OBS) + PiHole + WireGuard + VPN? Pi-clones or something similar to this PC running Proxmox?

[@euduvda]

I just hope that at some point any NPU hardware would be usable by endusers. Bonus points if it's not just LLMs!

[@annebokma4637]

Frigate?

[@NotAnonymousNo80014]

It's there to process the data it spies on you before it's sent to the hq.

[@rinat2160]

With soldered memory it won't be LLMs, so bonus points for everyone!

[@NeoDon1]

Buying a Gen5 drive for new X870e Build on MSI Carbon Wifi, I already have a 2tb Samsung 980 Pro Gen4. Which should I make the boot and which one for the games to be stored on? Thanks

[@stephanematis]

How much memory can you allocate to the GPU ?

[@Z3r0.L0g1x]

It's bloody expensive though... 1699CAD$, on sale 1399$. But a bloody powerfull machine for the size

[@pcislocked]

does that npu work on linux? frigate?

[@fracturedlife1393]

anyone programming the npu to go ahead and click away popups, ads, legitimate interest and vendor opt-outs, etc, before loading the page? 😅

[@Mpdarkguy]

That’s like 2 browser extensions

[@OliOligon]

Linux noob here. I got the SER9 and tried to get it running under the latest mint distro(wilma?). Sadly it only works in "recovery" mode from the first moment when booting from the stick for installation. Even after installing and updating the kernel and mesa to the latest stable versions, it still will only boot into a black screen. I tried the "Oibaf" mesa drivers as well, they did not only not solve the issue, but also introduced a color bug (red turns into blue) and required to reinstall the machine (and introduced me to timeshift :D ). So my current workaround is an updated Grub to stop it from booting normally and maually going into recovery. I am looking forward how You have solved the issue. Otherwise I am sitting, waiting and hoping for that kernel update down the line that will fix this issue. Ser9 otherwise runs perfect under Linux Mint in compatibility/recovery mode. Love the little bugger ;) Just currently only have a limited default display and seemingly no 3d acceleration. (btw mine also came with 24H2 out of the box preinstalled...)

[@elduderino7767]

as a window refugee to linux you should check out zorin mint has come a long way but still doesn't touch zorin, especially for mac/windows refugees

[@JoJoDramo-ih7qk]

god tier unboxing video as usual

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

Waiting for OCulink 8i becoming norm in SSF boxes.

[@dozerd42]

8:13 Satisfactory mentioned! Great game on Steam! :-D

[@Koop1337]

That Day of the Tentacle music sounded odd as heck. Can't tell if its the speakers, the remake, or both lol When/where is my mini pc I can jam 12+ NVMe drives into?

[@isbestlizard]

Get 4 x gem10's which have 3 nvme slots and use the oculink as a host:host interconnect for 8GB/sec and set up a cluster fs and you'll have a storage beast :D

[@karlgimmedatforfreemarx]

Crazy prices, useless equipment, tech industry sniffing glue it seems.

[@TYLERBALLADS]

Hi how does this compare to the m4 Mac mini? I do music recording about 5-6 tracks Protools and Cubase…. The rest of my documents will remain on my HP….. that M4 is very expensive. It’s $1500 to get the 32 GB of ram and one terabyte of space. !!!

[@AindriuMacGiollaEoin]

How does it run LLM?

[@orion9k]

But does it handle CS2 on a 27" 360 hz monitor? That is the only question I care about!

[@tonycheung1559]

isnt the memory soldered on?

[@annebokma4637]

For most tasks you mention this seems overkill, unless you are doing them all at the sane time. For homelab use, does frigate use the NPU?

[@Level1Techs]

not yet

[@annebokma4637]

@@Level1Techs I saw the content on proxmox on 3 mini pc. And with 10gb and faster usb4ethernet adapters becoming available... An external storage enclosure on each with usb 3.2... ceph.. That is where I see the real value come in. Especially if they zip power for most uses.

[@burnte]

23h2 has been available as a straight release for a bit.

[@LeicaM11]

Did you really see the clock frequency of 5.1 GHz? I can’t achieve that, being limited to 4.3 GHz right now.

[@giomaster9401]

core /frequency: 1 core zen5 at 5.133GHz 4 core zen5 at 4,8Ghz 8 core zen 5C at 3,4Ghz all core (4 zen5 at 4,1Ghz and 8 zen5C at 3.1Ghz) The TDP of my SER9 is set to 54W

[@QuantumKurator]

Whats the dealio with Linux and Lunar Lake?

[@elduderino7767]

windoze probably just exclusively pushing out 24h2 updates for new ryzen chips

[@davefroman4700]

Depends on what gaming you do. This unit will tear through Minecraft at 300+ fps. When they come out with a desktop APU with the 890M graphics? I will build a new itx system for that.

[@jannegrey]

A bit odd audio, but fine mini PC

[@SuperMari026]

If I had a dime for each time I see AI on products these days..

[@michaelgleason4791]

Am I the only person that hates how we're calling it AI when it's just "machine learning," like it's been called for several decades now?

[@budthecyborg4575]

What would happen if you put 3D V-Cache on a Zen5C CPU? Is Zen5C garbage for gaming or could you get a budget 3Ghz CPU that runs games super well at 20W?

[@OlegShulyakov]

All video waiting for LLM launch, till the end

[@bridgetrobertson7134]

Ok, now tell us why AI even matters to regular people. It doesn't unless your goal is to catalog and control large populations.

[@lubossoltes321]

Disposable ? AT THAT PRICE ??? No. These are DoA. Just too damn expensive. With 64GB RAM we could talk but with 32GB not a chance. I am wondering if we'll ever see a SO-DIMM system with these. Maybe the new CSODIMM some time in the future ?

[@dozerd42]

Wendell speed running how many times he can say Zen 5 in one video. Hacking the KZbin algo through the transcript? Good for you!

[@markmonroe7330]

Excellent presentation. Thank you. I use virtualization on just about everything nowadays. I had completely gotten away from Intel because of the issues with different core types. AMD has become my main goto for everything. Not sure what I think about these core types as it looks like they are following Intels lead and will likely suck for Proxmox, ESX and whatnot.

[@Level1Techs]

they don't really. amds approach to efficiency cores is they are just slower. on a fully loaded system the overall speed is not changed much. it's just you are explicitly limited on which cores can boost past 3.6ish ghz

[@markmonroe7330]

@@Level1Techs It is an issue if Proxmox decides it wants to use the slower cores. I am buying this new stuff to be better than the stuff I already have, not slower.

[@jackthatmonkey8994]

18 sec ago! Though members have been here for days already. But I bet they're LLM's! Wendell has a mini-PC that can run AI!

[@napoficial7123]

I need one for batocera arcade games

[@triarii_00]

so a zen5 c core is an "economy core"? will AMD apologize to intel for the shade they threw awhile back?

[@Level1Techs]

so it's not like that, it's the same zen 5 core but less cache and less max clock speed so lower power ceiling. as a result it takes up way less silicon real estate. it's the same core with the same features though that's the distinction

[@echtogammut]

Personally, I think the MINISFORUM BD790i is a much better deal for the money, but this is interesting.

[@peterboil4064]

Why do you only get 2, 3 years out of this?

[@DaxHamel]

Day Of the best Game Ever!

[@Berserkism]

I have AI in my pants, this little head does a lot of thinking for me.

[@bolek_lolek]

🤔Good for CAD software where the single core speed matters.

[@m4nc1n1]

RAM is soldered and runs @ 7500

[@ChaitanyaShukla2503]

AMD and Intel both have killed support for user replaceable memory on their latest mobile platform. So any mini PCs that use Ryzen AI or latest Intel CPUs wont come with DIMM or even CAMM slot anymore.

[@tedoyle61]

sorry with the recall fiasco going on.. I'm out on the win 11 stuf

[@alonzosmith6189]

Nice, little box, looking for a small form factor for the wife new desktop but $999.

[@elduderino7767]

unless she games then a gen 3 ryzen is plenty good, hell they are still decent for gaming older titles too something like a 5600, 5800, 4700, etc should be available for $300 if gaming is important then go for 6/7/8 series for double the gpu performance, probably a couple hundred extra

[@tototots2190]

Why can’t they put power brick inside! Just how pc should have. Mac mini does it right

[@mikespangler98]

The Mac Mini is bigger in footprint, possibly not in volume. A new minier mini is supposedly coming out before the holidays.

[@elduderino7767]

external power supply makes more sense, replaceable, no additional heat, smaller form factor, less cooling required/quieter, etc

[@tototots2190]

@@elduderino7767 Internal components could be replaceable too, and a small form factor doesn’t really matter if you’ve got an external power brick the size of another PC. But hey, if you like power bricks blocking all your power outlets, that’s cool, I guess. Also, do your external power bricks get hot? I doubt it, though a 100-watt brick might get warm under load, but a 1.5-watt one? Not so much.

[@elduderino7767]

@@tototots2190 you can't really replace internal power supplies, have to try an source a broken mini pc of the same model or mod in a custom power supply, very expensive/not advisable while external power supplies are a dime a dozen, readily available, hell you probably already have a spare thats compatible and yes, power supplies generate a lot of heat, in a mini pc it complicates everything 1.5w power supply? cpu and gpu will need at least 70w under load, power supply of at least 100w is a given at any rate, the convenience of not having a power brick doesn't outweigh the benefits of an external power supply, that is my personal opinion my money is on your internal power supply being the first thing to fail turning your mini pc into a paperweight, it's the one thin these mini pc manufacturers can cheap out on and you can bet your ass they do

[@Space_Reptile]

Ai this ai that How about a piece of software that uses the NPU because that waste of silicone is sitting at 0% usage in task manager all day even if you dare to use ai apps like msty and copilot

[@asknight]

Do. WANT!

[@TheEditorify]

These mini pcs are reported as unreliable with instability and heating issues.

[@knnroy]

AMD give us the soc!

[@Jefferderp]

Clickbait title. 30 seconds discussing how the NPU is for low-power tasks only.

[@glockmatics]

ZENfandel

[@DJgregBrown]

Zen 5 is price issue's. I'm looking at putting a 7940HS into a mini tower PC as was going to go 7950 and seriously under clock and power reduce because most of what I do can be done on my intel N100 but I miss having big power for games and work. Those things I still have to do on Windows machine. Idle of the 7950X is way to high for just watching You tube. Also AM5 mobo are over priced for what they are or nasty cheap and wouldn't cope with 16 core chips. So I been looking at the DB790! itx board with the 16 core 7940HX if I going to have to go dGPU route. that said heard Strix Halo has been listed in AMD drivers and kernel drivers, So if that does have 40CU GPU than Ryzen AI mini it might be. if that cheap isn't gimped for gaming handset with only 8 compute cores.

[@knnroy]

too hot, why insisting with blowers?

[@sgta]

This is way too much for a mini PC that has entry level gaming performance and comes with questionable warranty and BIOS support.

[@JamieStuff]

It depends on your use case. If you need to game at 4K/240 at SuperUltraMaxEyeBleed settings, then no, this isn't for you. I'm a truck driver, my monitor is a 24" 1080p TV, my 110V is limited to 1800W, and I would like to be able to run both my computer and my microwave at the same time. Yes, I do have a decent SFF gaming PC on board, but my main computer is a Minisforum 7940HS based system running Linux. The only time I fire up the Windows (gaming) PC is to play one of the (very) few games I have that won't run under Proton. (Think Steam Deck, but a bit more powerful.) The Minisforum rarely pulls over 50W, and the Windows machine pulls nearly that much at idle.

[@tim3172]

GaMiNg PeRfOrMaNcE. Derp.

[@andrewbroadfort6856]

Disposable. Dude.

[@antoniomonteiro3698]

you're wrong. this is a full desktop machine. edit: you just contradicted yourself at the very end...

[@SikSlayer]

I'd rather a model without the speakers. Great looking machine otherwise.

[@evers6214]

Disposable? 2,3 4 years from now you still won’t be able to replace it with anything better. Tech progress has slowed wayy down

[@sativagirl1885]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5bJiH1uj56nnac does your data drink Romulan ale?

[@Hawlkeye-e9p]

Lmao First thing is too strip out and block anything related to artifical stupidity system. Ass for short

[@mikespangler98]

I've been calling it Augmented Idiocy. 😉

[@joeykeilholz925]

AI lmao

[@TechRIP]

Stop promoting AI nonsense. When people stop giving anything labeled AI attention, we can go back to just having regular products at regular prices. It's bad enough people think that, speech recognition, chat bots and internet scraping programs are AI. lol

[@tonistarks2874]

No Oculink and no memory upgrade🫤I'll pass

[@DJgregBrown]

I love trhe GTI version of this but those BS speaker in all of them WTF are they thinking. Rather tyhey made it cheaper and ditched them. Without the speakers they could have put easy memory access and more cooling. I was sold on the new GTi15 and then I looked at their home pages and inside and why waste that space with shit speakers. I'll wait on the Trigkey or others. With this platform I would be OK with soldered Ram if it higher rate MHz and less latency. Fix ram is normally better bar no upgrade path, but how does upgrade a OEM point of OEM boxes is you buy want you need and then upgrade whole machine at a time. the Speaker are their version of the SD card Minusforum love so much and I find they are a waste and would rather have more USB-C's.

[@ksln]

\o/

[@drewnewby]

I hope Wendell didn't pay for this unit, they're sending them out to countless techtubers. They're going to be great collectors pieces, given how few will be made or sold at that price.

[@ichemnutcracker]

Given the title of this video, I expected some actual AI benchmarks. I am disappointed. Sorely so.

[@Catge]

Overpriced garbage

[@kdl0]

"DISPOSABLE?" gtfo

[@gukin]

I think you're overstating the Linux requirements, for those who care, and I know you do, you'll need Linux 6.10 or higher. Mesa 2.4 or higher And linux-firmware-20240811 ONLY. lower firmware than 20240811 and the GPU won't initialize, and anything higher, amdpu will hang while loading. It's too bad that the higher firmwares hang since manjaro, Ubuntu 24.10 and bazzite all use the higher firmware. You could use "nomodeset" for a kernel parameter to prevent amdgpu from loading until the firmware is rolled back to 20240811.