Is the Bible Multivocal or Univocal?

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[@kevinerose]

8:00 I have a question. On the subject of God speaking to people, where does that idea even come from? It is not in the Bible. Can someone explain to me where that is taught in the Bible?

[@euripides8119]

You should read 2.corinthians 4:4

[@leenieledejo6849]

Of course it's in the Bible! God spoke to Moses, Abraham, Samuel... Then in the New Testament Jesus spoke to the Apostle Paul at his conversion (which is recounted three times in the book of Acts) and in Acts 23:11 too. He also recounts "the Lord" speaking to him in 2 Corinthians 12:8-9. These examples are off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more. I think people need to read the Bible themselves.

[@ManoverSuperman]

@@leenieledejo6849I think he was questioning the idea of private revelations that some Christian circles talk about having from time to time. He means the kind of communication in which the believer is impelled to a certain action as if by a direct voice from God, even if not audible.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

According to god believers, god has the ability to directly communicate his Divine Instructions to all his creations. So why do we need books?

[@euston2216]

2:41 - "There's really no logical contradiction here. It would only be a logical contradiction if it was like, 'One being in three beings'..." True or False #1: God is a being. True or False #2: The Father is a being. True or False #3: Jesus is a being. True or False #4: The Holy Ghost is a being.

[@francoisgrenier5070]

We have been conditioned for 1700 years (Councils of Nicea and Constantinople) to read things into the Bible that are not there (and no, I am not unitarian, jew, messianic, etc). Three examples: The Son is the Word of the Father. The Father gave Him His Word. Creation was made "through" him. Does this mean that He is identical in nature with His Father? "For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him." Col 1.16.... because the Father gave Him power to do so. "I and the Father are one.” Jn 10.30 "...they may be one (His disciples) as we are one." Jn 17.22 Does this mean that we would also be God? And finally, to make it short: "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." Col 1.15 "For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”? And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.” Heb 1.5 He is the firstborn. The Son. No, the Son is not God, but he, on earth and in heaven, is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He is the tangible God who was given to us to understand a little of the Father and to approach him. He was "crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." Heb 2.9

[@ManoverSuperman]

The majority of Christians since the 4th century have tragically lost this nuance in New Testament exegesis. Now they just pull from passages that hardly establish Jesus being God and act like it self-evidently yields that interpretation.

[@francoisgrenier5070]

One of the reasons why Christians cannot or will not even consider the errors of the Councils of Nicea and Constantinople is that if they did, they would find themselves excluded from the majority community of believers and would no longer be able to play a role in it.

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[@SimplyAwesomeOriginal]

Excellent reasons to NOT believe the trinity: - The bible NEVER EVER refers to God as Triune/Trinity. - The bible describes God over 20,000 times: as having singular pronouns, singular verbs, singular adjectives, and singular pronominal suffixes. - Jesus explicitly said he has a God and Father. Multiple times! - Jesus died. God raised Jesus from among the dead. The bible asserts this multiple times! - Jesus was anointed by God. God CANNOT anoint himself. It is in the name "Christ/Messiah", and witnesses and references are many! - Jesus sits at God's right hand, according to Psalms 110:1. God CANNOT sit next to himself. This IS the most quoted Old Testament verse in the New Testament. +++ "People that claim the bible describes a trinity, always describe an interpretation of scriptures, and NOT the actual text of the scriptures." - A quote to remember +++ Top 10 favourite scripture references: 1) Jesus prayed to his Father: "And this is life in the age to come, that they know [The Father], the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom [The Father] have sent." - John 17:3 => Jesus identifies the ONLY true God, the Father! 2) Jesus instructed us: “. . . go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am going up to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’" - John 20:17 => Jesus has a God and Father. => We have this same God and Father. => Jesus is the Son of God. => Jesus is NOT God. 3) Moses unambiguously explicitly told the Israelites: Know therefore today, and lay it up in your heart, that Yahweh, he is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other. - Deuteronomy 4:36 Hear, O Israel! Yahweh is our God, Yahweh alone! . . . - Deuteronomy 6:4-9 => Yahweh is one! (and 100% not triune or multiple of anything) 4) Isaiah, like a broken record, repeated: For this is what Yahweh says, who created the heavens, the God who formed the earth and made it, who established it and did not create it a waste, who formed it to be inhabited: “I am Yahweh, and there is no other." - Isaiah 45:18 I am Yahweh, and there is none else. Besides me, there is no God . . . know from the rising of the sun and from the west that there is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no one else. - Isaiah 45:5-6 This is what Yahweh, your Redeemer and he who formed you from the womb, says: “I am Yahweh who makes all things; who alone stretches out the heavens; who spreads out the earth by myself;" - Isaiah 44:24 “You are my witnesses,” says Yahweh, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am he. Before me there was no God formed, nor will there be after me. I, even I, am Yahweh, and besides me there is no savior. I have declared, I have saved, and I have shown, and there was no strange god among you. Therefore you are my witnesses,” says Yahweh, “and I am God." - Isaiah 43:10-12 I am Yahweh. That is my name. I will not give my glory to another, nor my praise to carved images. - Isaiah 42.8 => The creator of heaven and earth is solely Yahweh. 5) Peter preached the very first Christian evangelical sermon: You men of Israel, listen to these words! Jesus of Nazareth, a man pointed out to you by God by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did through him in the midst of you, just as you yourselves know, this man, delivered up by the decreed plan and foreknowledge of God, you, by lawless hands, crucified and killed. But God raised him up, having freed him from the agony of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. - Acts 2:22-24 Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him-this Jesus whom you crucified-both Lord and Christ. - Acts 2:34-36 => God raised Jesus from among the dead. 6) Paul summarised things beautifully: . . . we know that “no idol in the world really exists,” and that “there is no God but one.” For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we are for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we are through him. But not everyone has this knowledge . . . - 1 Corinthians 8:4-7 => The only God, the Father, from whom are all things, is NOT Jesus 7) James reminds us that God is sovereign: No one should say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself does not tempt anyone. - James 1:13 => God CANNOT be tempted. Jesus was tempted (Hebrews 2:17-18) 8) John the Baptist, who prepared the way for Jesus on earth witnessed: “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! . . . And I myself have seen it, and have testified, that this is the Son of God.” - John 1:29-34 => God is NOT "the Lamb of God" 9) John reminds us what is love: For God so loved the world that he gave his uniquely begotten Son, so that whoever believes in him will not perish, but have life in the age to come. - John 3:16 => God did not give himself; he gave his uniquely appointed and begotten Son. 10) King David's prophecy testified by Stephen (and Peter): Yahweh’s [Adonai] declaration to my lord [Adoni] , “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” - Psalms 110:1 => Adonai refers to Yahweh God => Adoni refers to a Lord that's NOT Yahweh God => Adonai and Adoni are NOT the same person => Adoni is subject to Adonai (Hebrews 7:7, 1 Corinthians 15:27-28) But he, being full of holy spirit, looked up steadfastly into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” - Acts 7:55-56 (Also see Peter's comments in Acts 2:29-35) => Lord God is NOT Lord Jesus. => King David's Lord (i.e. Jesus), is at the right hand of King David's God (i.e. Yahweh). +++ On Christians speaking to Muslims: I think it is unfortunate that Christians waste time arguing with Muslims on "trinity" when there are so many other things to showcase - especially given that Muslims are correct, albeit partially, that Jesus is NOT God. +++ Warning: IMHO, favourite verses of scripture of "trinity believers" often are translations that are corrupt. Corruptions includes using uppercase where it isn't needed, using the incorrect personal pronouns (or pronominal suffixes), inserting extra words that change meaning, removing phrases, as well as good old fashioned errors. => You can verify this yourself by looking at the original Greek in an Interlinear bible (or comparing to other English translations). => You can verify someone is NOT speaking out of their bum hole: they focus on the actual texts of scripture, and NOT the interpretations of the texts of scripture. +++ PS: - Before you let the words of Pharisees (e.g. John 10:33) or Thomas (John 20:28) distract you from what Jesus himself said, please look at Moses (Exodus 7:1), King David/Solomon (Psalms 45:6, 1 Chronicles 28:5; 29:20-27), Judges (Book of Judges, Psalms 82:6) were all called "God" too and indeed represented God with power. - Before misquoting Isaiah 9:6, please note that "Almighty" is not "All Mighty" (Exodus 6:2-3), and King David and Warriors being called Mighty God (Psalms 89:19, Psalms 33:16) which is NOT All Mighty God; Christ being given children (and brothers) by God is Isaiah 8:18 (and Hebrews 2:11-13). - Before misquoting John 8:58, please look at how "I am" was used in John 9:9 and John 4:26 and everywhere else. - Before misquoting John 10:30, please look at John 17:11, 20-23. - Before misquoting John 1:1, 14, please look at the use of "logos" everywhere; what John the Baptist testified (John 1:6-8, 19-36; and what Peter preached in Acts 10:36-38. - Before misquoting Titus 2:13, please look at Ephesians 1:17, Luke 9:26, and John 8:54. - Before misquoting Philippians 2:6, please look at Philippians 2:11, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, and everywhere Paul said something like "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ..." (like Ephesians 1:3, 1 Corinthians 1:3, and many other places.) - Before misquoting Colossians 1:15-20, please look at the beginning of the chapter, in Colossians 1:3, that Jesus has a God; and Ephesians 1:20-23, that says the same in so many words; and that God isn't an "image"; and Jesus isn't "invisible". +++ In conclusion: All trinity doctrine is an explanation of one's ignorance of what's written in the bible! That's NOT a burn. It's a call to be a Berean.

[@anthonybarber3872]

Jesus is not God the Father, but Jesus is God the Son. There is the Christian teaching of the Hypoststic Union...within the Person of Jesus Christ there are two natures...human and divine. So in terms of Nature (Essence) Jesus is God. It is true Trinity is not in the Bible and Alisa made that clear...it is a theological term used to describe what Scripture presents.

[@SimplyAwesomeOriginal]

@@anthonybarber3872 I find this quote to be true more and more each day: "People that claim the bible describes a trinity always describe an interpretation of scriptures, and NOT the actual text of the scripture." Moreover, most importantly, there are extremely very clear texts that deny the trinity, AND these extremely very clear texts that deny the trinity vastly outnumber these "allegedly trinity" ones.

[@leenieledejo6849]

You are right but very few have "ears to hear". Mike Winger has called the Trinity doctrines "a riddle" and "complicated". That's because they are not from God!! Satan is the author of confusion and dark, tangled webs of deceit. God's truth is pure, transparent, simple and beautiful. How do Trinitarians explain that on almost every page of the epistles and Acts, God and Jesus are firmly differentiated? Why would the writers do that if "Jesus is God"? Even all the introductions. Today I read James 1:1: "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ". And they imply so much that is blasphemous: that Jesus wasn't really "born" (he "pre existed" in reality rather than in the plan of God) i.e the prophets as well as Luke and Matthew are "lying" about his birth and Luke is "lying" about Mary CONCEIVING They also blasphemously imply that his miracles were "no big deal" (cos he's the "creator"), that he wasn't really tempted in the wilderness and at Gethsemane (because "GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED" as it says in James 1:13) and WORSE, that he "didn't really die" (!!) because God obviously cannot die. FACT: if he didn't really die then he didn't really rise from the grave!! As someone who was LOST in the RCC for decades, I know that spiritual deception is real and the big trick that Satan uses is loyalty to people and fear of standing out from the crowd and being judged. But actually, the truth sets you free (John 8:32). That's something Satan does not want people to know. Jesus calls Peter "blessed" in Matthew 16 for getting his identity right and Jesus also never contradicts John the Baptist, Nathaniel, Martha and several others when they say he is the son of God and Messiah ("man anointed by God"). And he doesn't contradict God Himself at the baptism and Transfiguration of Jesus when He says "THIS IS MY SON". People will not stop listening to people. They refuse to believe Jesus's words in John 14:26 & 16:13. How do I know that they refuse? Because they are constantly quoting people, watching people, reading commentaries by people... Even Alisa suggests we turn to a MAN (Athanasius). Being "historical" doesn't mean anything is true! There was zero written about the Trinity prior to the 4thC. [And zero in the book of Acts which is strange if it's a "true and fundamental doctrine"!!!]. Augustine's "De Trinitate" (On the Trinity) made it popular and as we know, many seminaries are devoted to Calvin (who never fully left the RCC on his thought life and was a follower of man and idolater: see below). And (unBiblical) seminaries produce "pastors" who people seem to trust more than Jesus's own words 😢 "Augustine is so wholly within me that if I wished to write a confession of my faith, I could do so with all fullness and satisfaction to myself out of his writings" (John Calvin)

[@SimplyAwesomeOriginal]

@@leenieledejo6849 Aye! Let's pray people discover that Jesus did not leave us orphans because he asked the Father to send the Holy Spirit, and that Jesus is the Good Shepherd whose voice we can follow. And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the holy spirit. For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all who are far off, even to as many as the Lord our God will call. - Acts 2:38-39 This helper is the spirit of truth, which the world is not able to receive, because it does not see it or know it. You know it, for it is present with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans: I will come to you. - John 14:17-18 My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give them life in the age to come, and they will absolutely not perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. - John 10:27-28

[@SimplyAwesomeOriginal]

​@@leenieledejo6849Aye! Let's pray people discover that Jesus did not leave us orphans because he asked the Father to send the Holy Spirit, and that Jesus is the Good Shepherd whose voice we can follow. And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the holy spirit. For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all who are far off, even to as many as the Lord our God will call. - Acts 2:38-39 This helper is the spirit of truth, which the world is not able to receive, because it does not see it or know it. You know it, for it is present with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans: I will come to you. - John 14:17-18 My sheep listen to my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give them life in the age to come, and they will absolutely not perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. - John 10:27-28

[@rbebut1]

one in hebrew is אֶחָד ahad. It is the same word as in The two shall become one flesh. But another way to see the word one is in the Baptism of Jesus. Where the Father, Son and Holy spirit are one. This is God in his totality, together, One.

[@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316]

When I came out of the Charismatic movement, 30 years ago, I decided to start over and question all of my beliefs. Including the Trinity. By itself, the Trinity teaching is harmless. But the teaching that comes imbedded in the doctrine is the concept of God being a controlling figure. So, I asked the question. Is Jesus the express image of His Father, or not? Did Jesus reveal his Father as controlling? The answer is obvious. No! He did not teach us this. On the contrary, Jesus let people walk away. There was no sign of control. So, I am still asking the same question. Is Jesus the express image of God, or not?

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

The trinity doctrine is not harmless. It preaches a false god, promotes a false Christ, and it distorts the gospel Christ preached about the Kingdom of God. This doctrine did unparalleled doctrine ever since Simon Magus' counterfeit Christian movement introduced it in the 1st century and was mainstreamed by Catholicism and Protestantism. A lot of ppl are going to be in the lake of fire because they allowed themselves to be deceived by this doctrine.

[@euripides8119]

You should read 2.corinthus 4:4

[@leenieledejo6849]

You were taught CALVINISM, not Christianity. Please read the Old and New Testaments. Neither Jesus nor God control or force people. Examples of free will are everywhere in the Bible but Calvinists stubbornly stick to what their idol Calvin taught and stubbornly refuse to accept what is written. Jesus is the son of God. He came to do the will of father God, as he says. There will be judgment and wrath one day but this is the "age of grace" where people can choose to follow Jesus or not. Jesus shows and walks out the heart of God for humanity (this is especially obvious in the Sermon on the Mount). His love for people. Jesus is "the one mediator between God and man" (1 Timothy 2:5) and the only way to be reconciled to God (2 Corinthians 5:18 and a few other verses). God in the Old Testament *appears* harsher but that's because it's a different Covenant/Testament (agreement). In the Old Testament, He had to choose and set apart a people holy (separate/different) unto Him and protect them (sometimes from themselves!) because out of that people would eventually come the Messiah.

[@tedbrooks-formerwordoffait1316]

@@leenieledejo6849 Leenie.. I deal with this exact problem in my video "Left Your First Love Part 2"

[@ManoverSuperman]

@@leenieledejo6849The God of the Old Testament is fundamentally a different deity from the “our Father” of the New. God has no authentic love in the Hebrew Bible; everything is solely for His glory and esteem. Not the characteristics you imagine for being as glorious as God is supposed to be.

[@leenieledejo6849]

1 Corinthians 3:16 says "the spirit of God [or "God's spirit"]. HOW does that make the spirit "God"?? Or "a person"?? Also, Jesus says in John 4: "God is spirit". So how can you say "God is a person"??? Defenders of doctrines of man just accept what they're told. They don't think. They don't dig into Scripture themselves or pray and wait or heed Christ's words in John 14:26 & 16:13. They're like me when I was *LOST* in the RCC. Be a good Berean! (Acts 17:11 reference). They questioned Paul who was personally commissioned by Jesus! And Paul commended them for it. Question your teachers! And remember God is NOT the author of confusion. That's Satan. You are responsible and cannot blame self-appointed "teachers" when you meet Jesus face to face.

[@yolandasoro]

I know that I will not understand everything until I am face to face with Jesus. I do know one thing and that is that Jesus is the only way to the Father. I don't have to understand everything to worship my Lord and Savior and I'm okay with that. Christ and his perfect finished work on the cross is all I need. I am Justified being Sanctified waiting to be Glorified. God bless!

[@FaithInTheAgeOfLogic]

The Bible is multivocal since the notion of univocality is imposed on it based on the presupposition that it is the Word of God due to the fact that someone in some Epistle which scholars today deem as pseudepigraphical label it inspired (of which he may have also considered the deuterocanonicals which were a part of Septuagint) This tactic doesn't work well considering the fact that other books such as Quran also claim inspiration

[@RidingTheHighPlaces]

Love what you do to promote faith in the Lord Jesus Christ! I must disagree with you on this important point. My view: The Trinity (three persons in one being) is an uninspired theological concept imposed on the Bible. It represents the influence of Hellenism on the early Church fathers. The NT Saints believed in The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as three distinct beings who are agreed in purpose. Their oneness is to be understood figuratively (not ontologically). They are agreed or unified in purpose. The Greek bears this out. Thanks for your efforts to build faith in Christ and the Bible.

[@davidmerriott7356]

Arianism was already battled by early church fathers. Dont bring it back up, we will battle it again today if we must.

[@HoldToChrist]

What do you say about the number of gods?

[@ManoverSuperman]

@@davidmerriott7356Arrius was correct. Trinitarianism is the biggest lie to have thrived under popular Christianity.

[@atirblum]

Jahve( "the father", the creator) + Jesus( "the son"/ the Word, the Messiah) + the Holy Spirit=the CONCEPT we spell G O D. One unite.

[@simonline1194]

No. That is NOT Biblical theology. YHWH is One God Who is Tri-Personal - Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Father is YHWH, the Son is YHWH (not Jesus) and the Holy Spirit is YHWH. One God simultaneously existing as Three Persons. The Second Person [the Son] is the son of the First Person [the Father] but He is NOT ‘God’s son’. The Son is God Himself [YHWH] which is why the Messiah is called Emmanuel - God with us (Matt.1:21-23) and NOT ‘God’s son’ with us. John declares that In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God [the Father] and WAS God [the Son]. The Word [Son] has incarnated as the Messiah - Jesus of Nazareth (Jn.1:14). Jesus of Nazareth is NOT God but He IS the human Incarnation of God. In other words, Jesus of Nazareth IS the Messiah but there is (quite literally) infinitely more to the Messiah than just the human creature, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus is no more Divine Creator (Jn.1:14; 14:28; Heb.2:17) than YHWH is human creature (Num.23:19) but the Messiah is BOTH Divine Creator AND human creature - One Person [the Son] simultaneously existing in TWO different WAYS (Divine Creator and human creature) by means of TWO distinct but NOT separate NATURES. The Son is primarily Divine Creator and only in a secondary sense is He human creature (Isa.43:11) which is why our emphasis on ‘Jesus’ rather than the Messiah (Christ) is lop-sided. This is the correct understanding. Simonline 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🤔🙏😀👍🇮🇱

[@ManoverSuperman]

@@simonline1194Jesus is not YHWH. You won’t find that in the Synoptics, Paul or Revelation. Paul only calls Jesus Lord, never God. He is always very careful to distinguish the two.

[@auxiliarylens3876]

Thank God for the Catholic church for fighting heresy in early church history and developing the doctrine of the Trinity

[@okami425]

Well good I'm not a ROMAN catholic then, but an Eastern one.

[@debraisola9037]

Catholic a religious cult...pray for you to have discernment on this. God's peace Catholic is Not Christian

[@ManoverSuperman]

The Trinity was a product of the Gnostic Heresy in order for the early churches to make sense of the metaphysical mess that was the identity of Jesus to believers.