Is the BMW M4 the Right Car for You? You Should Consider This ONE Thing

[@glennbaz2]

Having owned probably about 100 different cars over 50 years my 16' M4 is one of the most fun and I don't know if can ever let it go. You touched on some very good points for the car. The few down sides to this car is the DCT 1st gear bucking when going slow, bit of a harsh ride and too much road noise. Putting these aside, I can't wait for the next time I take the car out. As a weekend warrior, I hope my M4 will last for many years to come. I have no need to beat it up, just jump on the accelerator once in a while and just put that smile back on my face.

[@SimplyCarThings]

Love to hear that man! Always great seeing people enjoy their M4’s because they really are amazing cars. Thanks for watching!

[@thirst4petrol537]

Can't wait to pick up my m4 competition on saturday after some excrutiating weeks of waiting. It's a 2018 telesto edition with only 3.9k km on it. This wait actually made me discover ur channel as i think by now iv seen literally all m4, m3 vids on youtube. Even in languages i never knew existed 😂 but ur channel appeals to me the most as you proivde some solid to the point info about these cars 👊

[@IamThePoo]

Smells expensive

[@thirst4petrol537]

@@IamThePoo yes it was have it for a bit longer than a year now and has been worth every single penny, what a car 😍

[@jasondai6276]

coming from e46, now owning a f30 335i msport, always thought suspension, steering was numb, but after install a coilover and monoball thrust arm bushing, WOOOOOO, a whole new feel.

[@saganworshipper6062]

Definitely agree with this assessment. The hydraulic steering is such a HUGE factor that it really can't be overstated enough. Totally different feel for the road. The only solution is to buy one of each :)

[@SimplyCarThings]

I would agree! Just a matter of getting the funds together to have both 😂

[@wjohnsonism]

Great points in this video. Coming up on two years I’m in the “looking around “ camp. Mainly out of boredom however, after sampling DCT’s, ZF Auto’s, PDK’s, F10’s, base F90’s, Porsche 997.1’s and .2’s, non turbo 991’s and even going retro back to E90 M3’s I’ve come to the conclusion that the F8X actually is a tough act to follow. My M3 really does everything. Grocery getter, date night, soccer tournament and backroad toy all in one without necessarily breaking the bank or having to stress out about driving it. P.s. I do think the S55 shines better with DCT. Can’t wait to see the mods coming!

[@fourthirtysl]

Great content. Very descriptive when explaining your thoughts on these topics. Keep up the great work!

[@SimplyCarThings]

thanks a bunch man! glad you're enjoying the content 👍

[@rossgodkin]

Landed on your channel after getting back into a BMW M Car. You provide accurate content and conclusion in your review, very much enjoying your channel. Have had several cars over the last few years so can make some useful comment here. Had a M6 F13, Lamborghini Gallardo 560-4, Just sold my Porsche 718 GTS 4.0 and jumped into a 2016 F82 M4 Competition. From a handling perspective nothing beats the Porsche. If the Porsche was 10/10 the M4 is probably a 7/10. However straight line speed, the Porsche is lacking a little being a manual 0 to 60 in 4.5s. The M6, Lamborghini and the M4 all about 4.0 secs. The great thing about the M4 is that for the money its a bargain. I do a few play days on track , the M6 was too heavy, the Lambo was a spyder, so too scared to track it. The Porsche was just worth too much money so I didn't want to beat it up and put too many miles on it. Enter the M4 Competition cheap enough and what a perfect weekend Warrior. Just doing 3 simple mods on it for some extra punch. Catless downpipes, air intake and RaceChip.

[@DonovanColbert]

One of my first cars was a Datsun 510 with 240z 5 speed an L18, and the obligatory Weber carb. Along the way I've owned a Miata, an e30 325i Cabrio, an e36 328i saloon. I've also made some missteps along the way, like the 97 4.6l Mustang GT convertible that I was willing to sell upside-down to get out from under. The 510, e30 cab, and Miata are among the favorite cars I've ever owned - and I have regrets about selling each of them. I've had friends who owned an e36 M3 and another with an S4 (chipped) from the same generation - and drove both of those. I found the Audi to be a fantastic performance car - but while it had incredible AWD handling, performance, and stopping power - I felt disconnected from the joy of *driving* in it. So, your warning about "cars with soul" vs. "technical precision" resonates with me. We recently purchased a 2020 F83 with ~1200 miles on it with the competition and executive packages. Just last weekend I had an opportunity to drive it from one desert Southwest town to another and back again. Prior to this trip, I had stepped on it a couple of times, but hadn't really pushed any limits. Just outside of town, I ran into a 550i. At highway speeds, as I passed him on the left, my front wheels at his rear, he punched it, and I followed suit. I had to make a quick lane adjustment. I felt nothing twitchy in the rear end with the sudden acceleration, and changing lanes was as effortless, communicative and confident as I remember similar driving being in the e36 328i. I was in comfort mode and quickly pulled far ahead. On the way up, through the various grades and curves - I felt that it had a lot of understeer going into sweepers at high speed. I just felt like the inertia of the car wanted to move OUT into the curve and didn't feel as settled and secure as the previous BMWs I've driven. Along heavily trafficked 2-lane portions north of two small towns in between I was confidently able to drop into sport mode and accelerate to overtake long lines of cars, darting back into small spaces between traffic and braking from high speed safely to avoid oncoming traffic. This being my first major trip in the car, I was pretty conservative about my driving - certainly not pushing the car to its limits or mine during any of these maneuvers. My wife might not have the same perspective. On the way back, though - I had a blast. I felt much more confident, dropped into sport mode, made more use of the paddle shifters - and with far less traffic, pushed the limits on myself a little more, although nowhere near what the car is capable of. To put it in perspective, I and an Infiniti QX55 were trading off being "forward scouts" among a small pack of travelers trying to shorten the travel time. There was even a Silverado in this little cluster of Highway Single-Serving friends. Once we got into the mountains, everyone else fell off and I was driving for the experience, not to save time or in quick sprints in response to "challengers". I understand the complaints about the steering, and even the difficulty in launching smoothly in stop and go traffic (or even trying to park the damn thing in my garage). I understand not liking the way park works. There are some rough edges on the F82/83 - even in the final year of this generation. I did test drive a new 2021 M4 coupe before deciding on this one, also. But there were some emotional reasons for the decision - obviously. I love a convertible, and still own a 97 Z3 2.8l. So, right off the top I knew I was paying some penalties for being able to drop the top. My wife really wanted a hard top. I prefer a ragtop. She really wanted the automatic 7 speed. I would have preferred a manual transmission - even though I understand the auto is faster running through the gears than I'll ever be. I *like* being able to modulate the clutch during engine braking and feel more confident that I can pick the right gear coming out of a turn with a manual. When looking at *all* the vehicles in this broad class that offer a convertible - the M4 is actually nearly the only actual choice that was able to compromise on everything we both wanted. Eventually I realized that for daily in-town driving for my wife, the automatic made the most sense as well. I think a lot of the complaints about the M4 come from people with experience driving other BMWs that are far more settled. The e30 rear end on the Z3 is notoriously skittish - and I don't think there are many cars as ready to betray you as the Mustang GT. So - my thoughts... If you think that the M4 has uncommunicative steering, find a 2007 era S4 and give it a spin. If you think the rear end is twitchy and feels loose and unplanted, spend a week in any live rear-axle Mustang GT - or heck, a Z3. The brakes bite *hard* and I never felt I was anywhere near feeling them fade (but I wasn't honestly driving THAT hard)... and the lower gears do seem to lurch and clunk in slow traffic. I hear the Zl1 is an easier car to drive hard, and it is obviously faster in a sprint 0-60 or the 1/4 mile... which is counter-intuitive to me. It probably has more *soul* than the M4 in this regard - it is probably more *fun* to drive. But I suspect it isn't as rewarding - especially in the kind of spirited driving I like to participate in. The head to head challenges I've managed to track down of the two, the M4 barely edges out the Camaro on track courses with the same driver - the ZL1 beats the M4 on a drag strip or from one traffic light to the next. But I suppose that is the problem. Back during the era of the E36 M3 - there wasn't a production Camaro that posed a threat. Now there are a whole stable of cars out there that can challenge, and beat, the M4. I don't think that will change with the new model year. The M4 doesn't have *all* the soul I'd like from an M. But I think a lot of its critics have been too harsh to it. My right brain may never love it as irrationally as I loved my 510 or e30... but my left brain certainly makes a strong and logical argument that it is the most thrilling and competent car I've ever owned.

[@agnwstosstratiotis]

You just put into words what I've been thinking of for some time. It's not all for everyone and it doesn't mean a certain car is bad because it doesn't fit our taste. Test driving is surely the way to go, and it pays to figure out some personal preferences before anyone buys anything.

[@SimplyCarThings]

You couldn't have said it any better man! Thanks for watching!

[@StreetDrivenDaily]

I love my m4, 6spd. did mods to my liking, it looks good, handle good and plenty of rear seat space for my kid. Only thing I have left is to get set of wheels and add midpipe and I'm done with mods. I do agree about (It want's to kill you) I turn traction off all the time but keep MDM on. The only thing I hate about it, how they don't hold value, but who cares if you're willing to keep the car. I see a lot of them for sale on FB, cars dot com etc... I've been thinking about GT-R many times----

[@bjr816]

Cant wait till I can afford the M4 or M3. either I’ll buy 2020 or wait till they change the grill again for the next gen. One of My dream cars

[@IamThePoo]

Missing the DCT is a no go for me

[@Saif0412]

F80 M3 is the Perfect car in my opinion 😍 All round practical and fantastic performance, love having a car on edge, keeps the heart pumping 😜

[@paulpateman6723]

Omar love your video my friend has just ordered the new ///M4 and traded in his current M4 he test drove the new m4 and said it is another level to rather current car

[@SimplyCarThings]

thank you! I really want to drive one soon here hopefully and film a review, i’m extremely curious to see how they drive and perform?

[@micraw714]

Well said brother 👏 I thought after selling my F80 and getting my E92 M3 that I'd never go back but now I want to buy an F82 in addition to the E92 because I miss dat torque! 🤠

[@SimplyCarThings]

Thank you very much! Yea bro, the torque is absurd on these cars, press into the accelerator and the car sails away haha

[@micraw714]

@@SimplyCarThingsabsolutely! Also you were spot on about the way they feel near the limits. My E92 feels pretty safe and my F80 felt like it was looking for an excuse to kill a brotha haha 😄 loved that though!

[@kennyphun1946]

Yes yes and yes, absolutely right car for me! I like the m3 little more cause the practical of 4 doors. Can somebody let me borrow 50k? 😢

[@SimplyCarThings]

😂 You’ll get there man, and you’ll love the F80

[@gvidux555]

@@SimplyCarThings in lithuania you get for 35k with 50k miles do you think is cheap or not?

[@SimplyCarThings]

@@gvidux555 $35k USD? If so, then yes I think that's a pretty good price for one

[@gvidux555]

@@SimplyCarThings i saw yesterday from bmw shop m4 2017 55k miles on it for $28k with 5 year warranty :) its cheaper because in my country economic wise is pretty poor country

[@chasstevens2749]

Hey what is your take on the manual m4s? They are hard to find to begin with. Obviously the dct is going to be faster but im looking into modifying shortly after i find the one. Thanks man great content!

[@deeleem1724]

I can't decide between M4, M6 Gran Coupe, or C63s sedan. I have been leaning towards the c63s amg just cuz I love the sound.

[@SimplyCarThings]

it's a tough toss up for sure! the c63s is a sweet car, brutal biturbo v8 engine and a nasty exhaust note make it a blast to drive

[@IamThePoo]

I was also in this same boat. But CLS63 instead of the c63, most gorgeous car to me is the M6 gran coupe. The AMG is good because awd traction I went with the m4 because it just looks so good and the most you'll need if you don't have kids

[@deeleem1724]

@@IamThePoo I ended up going with c63 and now I’m in a F90 M5. The M6 gran coupe will always be my fav looking bmw.

[@IamThePoo]

@@deeleem1724 good taste bro for the F06 Barley anything for customization though F82 on the other hand... Alot Dang bro you got deep pockets

[@samugooo]

drove one of these in manual today and it was really good, compared to the automatic (which i also drove) it is amazing.

[@SimplyCarThings]

They are extremely enjoyable to drive!

[@justinh2444]

Interesting a lot of ppl go for the dct, guess I need to drive both cars back to back one day

[@samugooo]

@@justinh2444 IMO DCT is good but really violent in the most agressive setting. Manual feels more fun and allows for a more managable power as well they are more valuble since they are more desirable. check em out for sure man.

[@obidiokagbue]

I just recently purchased a 2015 M4 46k miles. Looking into extended warranty was wondering if you and any suggestions or any feedback at all?

[@8teate]

I need those seats in my F22 😍

[@JiuJitsuM4]

You know I love you and I love my M4, but I kind of don’t want to get another one without at least putting in a high performance Steve Dinan engine... ); The fact that my crank hub spun, then 3 weeks later blew my motor during a pull... just heartbreaking. I hope none of you M4 or M3 owners have to deal with anything like that. You’ll see me in the G82 hopefully 😭

[@SimplyCarThings]

Hope to see you in the G8X platform bro! You’ll do big things there

[@jaimehurtado356]

Looking forward to all the mods you do

[@SimplyCarThings]

thanks man, likewise with your F80 :D

[@jaimehurtado356]

@@SimplyCarThings I liked your ARM down pipes so I picked some up for Black Friday 🙌🏼

[@return2med241]

I’m torn, currently have an e92 335i I’m so attached to but I’m looking to add an M car to the stable. Very caught up between going E92 M3 Comp route vs F80 M3/F82 M4 or F16 M6... basically I need an m car for road and track and I can’t pick one

[@cebuwulfkiba2495]

My thing is buying one that has a lot of problems with higher miles. What’s your experience with the maintenance? I wouldn’t want to have it super constantly in the shop. If that makes sense

[@S3RG1020]

I love all M3 cars But the bmw I want is 2008 Z4 m coupe. That is my only love and dream car. That the car that make me be Bmw lover.

[@GTI_CHHA]

Excellent advice that's hard to come by! Enjoy the M4 buddy

[@SimplyCarThings]

thank you very much man! appreciate the kind words

[@claudioagmfilho]

Thanks for sharing great vid...

[@rlarocque0214]

The DCT-equipped F8x is definitely twitchy, but for some reason the 6MT version isn't. I don't know why that is

[@Quenn21]

Does the manual have longer gearing? I have an e90 328 and I know the autos and manuals have different gear ratios.

[@homiefizzle5260]

Were they the same year? Because apparently the later years (and comp pack) are noticeably less twitchy

[@montaver2455]

Good video, I can relate. I had an E9x M3 which I loved and tracked regularly. Moved to an M2C, was disappointed. It had a great chassis and differential, but felt numb and disconnected. The engine was very effective, but the lack of induction noise made it feel like it had no soul. I found it quite uninspiring on the street, but on track it was a match for the M3. I sold it, bought a 981 GT4 which has been absolutely phenomenal. I would like another E46 or e9x M3 as part of the collection, but I will never go back to the F generation. For a commuter car turbos are great, but not in an M car. Still I do appreciate all the advances the F chassis made, but for me its not worth the trade off. Get an e9x M3, put solid rear subframe mounts and you get a lot of the way there from a chassis perspective.

[@SimplyCarThings]

I can definitely understand where you're coming from and the points you make are more than fair. The 981 GT4 must be such a wonderful car to drive! I'm a huge fan of them

[@lifeclips3329]

I own a 335i I’m confused what do I do people say don’t get dci don’t this that. So I keep it stock ? What can I add to make it faster lol

[@adamsisneros8307]

i need an s55 in my life

[@davidsalem2896]

Great video Omar! As per usual. As someone who’s owned 2 E92 M3’s I couldn’t agree more with your assessment of the differences. However the F8x’s offer a very impressive package on paper and are still very driver engaging. Question... considering one and wondering, do you think there is a handling/performance difference between the current M3 and M4? I test drove both and the M4 felt more agile and slightly quicker. What are your thoughts?? Thanks and Keep up the great work!

[@SimplyCarThings]

thanks so much for the kind words! I read somewhere that the M3 actually has a slightly stiffer chassis given its 4 door setup, but honestly i don’t think there’s much of a difference. I think it just comes down to what feel you prefer between the two cars

[@crazyboy460]

awesome content love the s55 great platform prefer it in the m2C but the m4 is still dope!

[@SimplyCarThings]

Thanks man! Yea either car is amazing honestly

[@crazyboy460]

@@SimplyCarThings facts

[@sergiogarcia9822]

Hey man, thanks for the videos, just one question regarding the DCT, how often do you need to change the fluids of the transmission? Bmw says is a lifetime fill but im not sure, how often if any do you need to maintain the dct, im looking at an m4 with 27k miles.

[@SimplyCarThings]

thanks man! The DCT fluid has a rather impressive life span, i know Blackstone did an analysis on one guy’s F80 with 75k+ miles and they said it looked fine

[@sergiogarcia9822]

@@SimplyCarThings sweet, i was wondering if i needed to consider the cost of the maintainance right away since it is rather expensive but at 27k miles the fluid should be fine! I have been looking your videos since the m235i about a year and a half ago when i got my m240i, it seems we have similar taste, cheers!

[@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n]

gt350 is our only hope guys

[@gurbaxsingh1876]

You should make racing videos and slowly make it fbo

[@SimplyCarThings]

im down for that !

[@Dame102988]

Raceland 🔥

[@sammyjames1929]

If only BMW would bring back the M1 and stuff the old S85 in it.. 🙌

[@SimplyCarThings]

wow that would be incredible!

[@terrancecollins2696]

Are you doing the crank hub again?

[@SimplyCarThings]

yes i am! 🤟🏼

[@nicolassavvides3079]

you made it look like a 4 series

[@ruskibruski]

Black out the grills and emblems Classic white bmw go to’s

[@SimplyCarThings]

Coming soon :)

[@raremachines8857]

Are you getting the crankhub upgrade again?

[@SimplyCarThings]

yes 👌🏼

[@gassx7778]

Would you ever go for a club sport build

[@SimplyCarThings]

Absolutely 👌🏼

[@dragonhellrazor]

need a black grill

[@arw4115]

M340i vs m4?

[@gupallday4483]

50k subs you should do a giveaway

[@Masta_Z]

Do you have extended warranty?

[@SimplyCarThings]

nope, my factory warranty just recently expired as well

[@itguru2037]

If you can’t afford the maintenance, lease it

[@rudexbruiser2604]

I'm still buying a camaro

[@duffydon1741]

Is this channel still functional…

[@TickleMePinkGaming]

I'm not going to spoil it, but hes got something very special set up for this car that will make it a track weapon.. you guys will like it not many people have done this and its not easy by any means toa ccomplish

[@SimplyCarThings]

i can't wait to get to that point :) thanks for keeping it under wraps for now!