Is the Current Marvel Cosmology above DC?

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[@TrashmanCZ]

I always thought Marvel was easily bigger because they never ever rebooted their cosmology and they were always adding new layers to their multiverse.

[@gonhunter3994]

Wrong, they rebooted it

[@cheapthrills8963]

@@gonhunter3994 all of their reboots exist as previous cosmological all existing within Eternity, he always takes over the past planes of existence and grows beyond them

[@comprehentingbiased2968]

@@gonhunter3994 YES they did reboot but, they made it into a cosmos aka 6th is the past 10th is present aka today

[@The.Sultan]

Dc is also always adding.

[@comprehentingbiased2968]

@@The.Sultan yeay you right

[@thechristwholaughs9925]

Im a huge DC fan, but it absolutely makes no fuckin sense what they are doing lol

[@Superman-um9pd]

Soon you'll see superman beat up the Enoymous LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@smal750]

@@Superman-um9pd bro💀

[@RichWards-Wins]

I can't stand dc anymore. The manga stuff is better.

[@therealsmalk]

Broke: DC is massively into outer Woke: Only Presence is above uni

[@excutsdaily7335]

Lol what are you smoking? Do you know Oblivion, TOBA, Scatham, Protégé, Beyonders, Multi eternity, LT......... quit tripping bruh

[@stavroscc9566]

@@excutsdaily7335 fr

[@RichWards-Wins]

Marvel has an omniverse which includes image and dark horse universes. Dc has a mini multiverse that fits as one of the branches in Marvel's massive omniverse.

[@sujoydas3748]

​@@RichWards-Winslol dc does have an Omniverse what are you smokin ?

[@BingQiLing.]

Presence is 5D/ 6D but marvel is like outerversal

[@Superman-um9pd]

Superman gets overpowered everytime. Before you know it, he will be as strong as the leviathan of stories.😂🐐

[@comprehentingbiased2968]

Omg plzz no leaves my favotires characters alone plzz

[@OnurTheXbot]

Yeah, like that power boost he got to One Shot the World Forger💀

[@WinniePooh33]

This is the reason why their projects will always be behind Marvel.

[@KingLegacy8k]

There are forms of Superman that could easily overtake Leviathan

[@Lightbringer554]

Honestly my interest for Superman has gotten lower as The Writers keep overpowering him for no reason.

[@OnurTheXbot]

I’d say Marvel (current) outscales DC (current)

[@TheGamingCreed]

Nah

[@andrewhorcasitasz1370]

The reason batman can harm darkseid by shooting him with a gun you say , is because a recent sbs reveals that Batman can coat his bullets with haki

[@Dionisio97]

Lol

[@jaquanbrown413]

Lol

[@biggypupps9628]

😁

[@animoments8969]

Lol

[@callmestorm23]

The biggest difference between Marvel and DC is that DC always reboots and changes their cosmology every couple of months, while Marvel never reboots and is always expanding their cosmology. So for that I'd say that Marvel's cosmology is bigger than DC's.

[@mcpics4448]

Save for soft reboot and recons for marvel then yes

[@jhevgainz2307]

Isn't everything outside the bleed in dc the same across all comics?

[@thedivine1ite461]

My friends tell me the extact opposite and saying Marvel constantly reboots and its stories always revole around the infinity stones. Which Dc rarely reboots. Is there any proof I can find to prove this not true

[@The.Sultan]

Not necessarily true, dc also adds to their cosmology

[@gregfeelynegsyourfavoriteverse]

DC always adds to their cosmology, it’s cosmology is far bigger than Marvel’s.

[@mcpics4448]

Marvel and DC are really going beyond in what they can do in their universe lol

[@smal750]

@@too_official6194 fr

[@LeavanDragon]

Question is will they ever go too far or reach a limit?

[@smal750]

@@LeavanDragon there are no limits in fiction

[@chrisbrownie1511]

They tryin to be on parr with the scp 😂😂

[@smal750]

@@chrisbrownie1511 they violate scp

[@Manuel-gt9jf]

No wonder I’ve been seeing a lot of top tier debates have marvel above dc compared to the old days

[@yaboiplank6764]

Too many characters are becoming presence tier

[@extrakt1559]

Like who?

[@yaboiplank6764]

@@extrakt1559 his literal son who shouldn’t be near him since the first words that was said to him was “ I can unmake you as easily as I made you” Unkindness Raven Fucking black Adam and wonderwoman since lucifers whole arc was about withstanding or escaping gods plan/will and these fools pulled it off Great Darkness/GEB Pralya who somehow predates and is more powerful than presence. Somehow. Because the bitch got clowned by fucking swamp thing, he’s literal sea weed ffs Elaine Beloc who is the literal new presence but was being bullied by something from the backrooms Unwritten leviathan Retcon corpse who got fucking bullied by swamp thing as well like wtf does that upscale the endless now too Milkman superman for some reason despite swamp thing bullying his people Animal man Tom Taylor The writer Brahma Mother Night and Father Time Death

[@Himmyjewett]

@@extrakt1559 no one

[@haloexmachina8100]

@@extrakt1559 superman imo

[@davidogundipe808]

@@haloexmachina8100 supes isn't presence tier

[@vn9574]

The DC reboot debates don't hold up anymore because Infinite Frontier made all DC reboots canon to the verse.

[@shaquanlawrence8551]

TBH DC is really messing up their cosmology and as fans it's kinda sum to get pissed cuz certain shit don't mk sense. You are now making black Adam who lost to Ultraman now can break chains of the presence but the spectre is literally the hand of god so black Adam above spectre, abd Lucifer now😂💀 and Omg the batman D riders are gonna be out in full power😭😭😭.

[@davidogundipe808]

You mean the chains of the great darkness not presence.

[@rigo_ad9317]

And then Superman also judging the beginning, the creator, the phantom stranger, the destroyer, and impriex. It’s just all over the place.

[@davidjones1341]

I mean it's just the general inconsistency with characters like thor,hulk,Superman, flash etc.Has been like this for a long time.

[@shaquanlawrence8551]

@@davidogundipe808 lol yhh mb bro I was jus pissed I mixed up my words and I jus watched Halloween Kills abd been ranting to everyone ik😭😭💀💀

[@haloexmachina8100]

Both Marvel and DC cosmologys have both lost there flavor for me.

[@dontbothertoreply9755]

Exactly, constant endless escalation, plot holes, no stakes etc.

[@ivanlopezjr.2137]

Marvel is actually trying to explain theirs while dc is just adding or taking away. Dc is getting really flip floppy with theirs and it shows.

[@callmestorm23]

That's why they need a HARD reboot after Dark Crisis. Get rid of the multiverse. Have the Presence come in and erase everything from existence and create a brand new DC universe. And start from the ground up. That means a new Batman, new Superman, new Wonder Woman, new Flash, new Green Lantern etc. Just keep building. And don't reboot every 5 years. Make this new DC universe to be the new main DC universe.

[@ivanlopezjr.2137]

Dc is like “this person is strong, actually this person is stronger, no actually th-“. They just keep doing that and it ruins any form of consistent cosmology.

[@ivanlopezjr.2137]

@@callmestorm23 that’s also the issue they keep rebooting. Every time you turn your head a reboot is happening. It ruins the cosmology and the fun of reading itself. Just have the presence come in like “Nah, all this BS NEEDS TO GO!” and go back to normal to build up.

[@callmestorm23]

@@ivanlopezjr.2137 Now the reason I want them to do one last reboot is so they could make it more grounded and more compelling. Making the new DC universe more grounded would prevent mess ups like DC Rebirth and inconsistencies of power scaling

[@aritrachoudhuri6716]

​@@ivanlopezjr.2137no

[@sergperez5484]

I kind of want to see a video going over what characters are equivalent in power in regards to the cosmology, like the living tribunal scales to in DC, who Lucifer morning star compares to in marvel, the monitor mind/source/presence scale to, etc

[@cliffwoodbury5319]

people say D.C. characters are gods and Marvel characters are trying to become gods but they both have the same kind of characters they just choose to concentrate on different ones. I could easily be the other way around as they have analogs to almost all their characters.

[@censoredbyyoutubeagain4569]

Marvel and DC should be more worried about the fact manga is kicking both their rears in the US market 😂

[@smal750]

💀

[@heroarchetype6830]

They don’t care they are making Billions easily from movies 💀

[@doomboi4675]

​@@heroarchetype6830 Billions is a stretch. Dc has been flopping in movies for the majority and the last 2 Mcu movies that reached a billion were Endgame and NWH ( mostly due to Nostalgia) Besides that Every other Mcu movie has been bombarded with negative reviews and hasn't reached billion dollar box office record Yet.

[@WinniePooh33]

​@@doomboi4675Do you not see that Wandavision and Multiverse of madness won nominations and awards.

[@thechristwholaughs9925]

Good points!

[@DarkShadeAnimations1]

Interesting I’ve been waiting for someone to raise this question

[@eduardopantoja9115]

When you guys say strongest cosmology, I feel like you guys meant, the most well-made cosmology

[@sugarsick23]

@Jobbersandgoons So you are finally starting to agree a little with Forest and what we talked about few days ago. Good good

[@Clyde975]

Well as of now Hulk and Thor are the most broken Marvel Heroes

[@WinniePooh33]

Jean grey, Loki, vision, scarlet witch, etc.

[@rigo_ad9317]

Marvel > regular DC. Marvel =< Comp DC. Comp Marvel >= Comp DC from my knowledge. Overall Marvel >< DC

[@zl3791]

Composite DC is definitely bigger than compostive marvel. You're forgetting DC incorporates vertigo as well. It has the leviathan.

[@RichWards-Wins]

People forget that Marvel has the Ultraverse and The transformers and GI joe universe. Godzilla's monsterverse was part of the Marvel's Omniverse of muliverses. Rom the spaceknight and the Conan fantasy universe are part of Marvel's vast cosmology. Marvel truly has the Greatest sized universe with limitless genres including the star wars universe.

[@uwin23]

​@@RichWards-Winsgreatest fanboy of all time, you made everything up.

[@WinniePooh33]

​Oh, don't forget Fortnite partnered with Marvel.

[@Lightbringer554]

@uwin23 I think he is right. Overall Marvel has Ultraverse, Monsterverse, IDW Transformers comic series. I also heard Marvel owns the Dark Tower now.

[@michaelstraughn4665]

Where was the animation video from?

[@dontbothertoreply9755]

DC universe online.

[@CousinCreepy]

Tear down the Source Wall and have a huge crossover already!

[@dontbothertoreply9755]

If we have learnt something in the last 6 years is that we need walls.

[@animangamant1976]

Can u do a video explain the new marvel cosmology

[@wlarson55109]

What's that playing in the background

[@edgargalicia5071]

Currently Marvel far surpasses DC, it is confirmed that the house of ideas is not the limit and there really are no limits, you will always see something more powerful, that was made clear. And a correction, the phoenix did not receive any increase in power, since its creation it has always had the most broken and important concepts in Marvel, even in the classic comics it called itself tiphareth, something that is better explained in Defenders Beyond

[@videoforlife7086]

Keeping the whole cosmology in order for dc, rate the weakest to strongest 1-10 or the best way I'd see it for dc argument for every cosmology existing at once..... thing? Is that any/every knowledge of a single character came into one. Like, the flash (as just for example) an alternative version of him knew something that the other flash doesn't (stronger or weaker, doesn't matter) they end up retaining that information together in a new flash, along with every flash out there. Along with every character in the dc universe if the writer/writes were trying to write everything in a single point. Power wise, I guess would only adding one version's power with the other ( no indication of multiplying or higher from what it seems/sounds like, so addition sounds more like a possible assumption)...... and yes, this was after only hearing dc's side (I'll add a comment after hearing marvel next, I apologize, I needed to give an opinion before I lost my train of thought) "Also I want to throw this in" if something like this applies to batman to, he might be the most knowledgeable tactician (my auto correct if screwy, sorry if I spelled it wrong) but if he's physically weaker then anyone else when it comes to combat.... Well, strongest batman there is (along with his note worthy enemies) but still weaker compared to..... pretty much weaker then everyone else and their alternate versions combined (individually, is another thing) Like that batman would be dimensional or outerversal (depending how many fused into one and how strong each is) outerversal batman, could one shot a high dimensional version of superman with a pinkie...... I think that's how the order goes (like outerversal is higher then dimensional? Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken)

[@animoments8969]

Great video my favourite part is where you were explaing in depth why goku solos

[@davidogundipe808]

I'll say this again DC need to put a leash on their writers and also release those that are harming them.

[@spawnofragnarok9267]

Samurai Jack from semi Jack 🆚 devilman from devilman crybaby who will win or why in the one by one fight to the death between these two veterinary Doom sawyers ?

[@RichWards-Wins]

Samurai Jack wins. His sword destroys devils even when evil is immortal.

[@Ali-ff2kk]

is the Unkindness back in dark crisis ?

[@cartersauce5749]

Yes

[@akeemreese1050]

Jobbers and Goons do a heaven or hell video on On my boy Bayverse Optimus prime🤟🏾

[@savagelogic8674]

Oh god 😭. Nah that mf is psychotic.

[@itzthedapperlionyt4332]

No, DC is still bigger due to Vertigo.

[@godslayer8894]

Marvel has never been bigger than dc

[@joriscorrege-montaut]

Nah I'd say Marvel's is bigger considering that each universe is like mini multiverse. A universe in Marvel is boundless in size and houses an infinite amount of realms and other pocket dimensions that have their own infinite timelines, and some of them (Dark Dimension) are described to be beyond comprehension, logic, understanding and imagination. So a single universe in Marvel Comics is incalcuable in size. The multiverse is obviously an infinite collection of universes, and the omniverse is an infinite collection of multiverses. And there's different layers to infinity in Marvel as well. So with all that it's safe to assume that Marvel's cosmology is currently bigger than DC's.

[@godslayer8894]

@@joriscorrege-montaut that isn't true at all the DC Multiverse is now back to its original state with infinite universes they also have an infinite Omniverse as well with infinite Multiverse is across it's always going to be debatable between Marvel and DC

[@joriscorrege-montaut]

@@godslayer8894 no Marvel cosmo >>> DC cosmo Y'as même pas de débat

[@godslayer8894]

@@joriscorrege-montaut yeah no lmao

[@joriscorrege-montaut]

@@godslayer8894 shh don't cry Marvel cosmo >>> DC cosmo

[@ritzkola2302]

Marvel without any doubt has the drastically superior cosmology. Superman throwing a punch solves most DC cosmic incidents. Marvel not only has vastly not characters in its cosmology but they also have tons of stories and high end feats. DC lacks. It’s just fans giving he say she say answers like “true Darkseid beats everybody he’s multiversal bro.” DC would do well to have its cosmic scene entities actually interact with each other like Lucifer used in this video meeting The Great Evil or Trigon or etc. These interactions happen routinely in Marvel. The Quintessence getting one shot would’ve been impressive HAD THEY ACTUALLY HAD CONSISTENT FEATS DOING ANYTHING IMPRESSIVE OVER THE LAST DECADE. THEY HAVE NOT. NOBODY CAN LIE AND PRETEND THEY HAVE. We just know they are strong because fans say they are strong, because characters in DC say that they must be strong and formidable. There are no “High Father wipes out a galaxy, Zeus tears apart a black hole” feats in the past decade. Likely not ever. These feats are routine and constant in Marvel cosmology. There’s never even been a comic issue in DC to directly explain the difference between old gods and new gods. Also why is Darkseid that powerful if he’s simply a new god? Why isn’t High Father that strong? It makes no sense other than this is what DC decided because Darkseid needs to be cool and important despite his history of jobbing. Did I mention Superman solves everything that happens with a punch in DC? When he cannot the Flash goes running to reset everything. Because of this “Superman cannot be topped by anyone with impressive feats” agenda. Every other DC character is hindered and held back… usually to merely throwing punches. When I pick up a DC comic I know I’m going to see a hero solving a major problem via just throwing a punch. Take Wonder Woman my favorite rebirth series. Around that same time Marvel had the most amazing THOR run. The God Butcher. Thor was cracking nearby planets with the force of his blows coming in contact with Gorr. Flying through stars at relativistic speeds. Etc. Creating storms the size of a galaxy. Then go back to Wonder Woman and well… she’s punching stuff. Despite rebirth retconning her into a Demi God. Which SHOULD’VE given the DC Greek pantheon a major boost in feats yet they got absolutely none at all. Her brother First Born did nothing impressive at all except “be really strong” and WW likewise just threw punches. That could’ve been a comparatively amazing display of the power Gods hold in DC. But that story could never be told because then how would fans believe Superman is stronger than WW? Superman has to solve every problem and save the day every time with his big bad punch lol. Yet DC fans will argue to death that WW somehow stands a chance against Thor AND can even beat Thor. Look it up. Ridiculous.

[@aayewhyy]

🔥

[@SUthunder14]

It's really hard to say. Marvel characters like IronMan, Thor, Hulk, and some X-Men are getting more currently powerful. Unfortunately (as far as I know) Spider-Man and the F4 currently don't have any permanent power boost. (As for as I remember)

[@LeavanDragon]

Ben Grimm I think really needs a buff.

[@SUthunder14]

@@LeavanDragon him and johnny.

[@LeavanDragon]

@@SUthunder14 I don't know dude, Johny has some cool moments and awesome feats. He's the cool guy of the F4. He could get upscale but Johny does some good work depending on the writer. Ben though, I think he needs a major upgrade. Something that will take his powers in a new step. He's been lagging behind hulk and other marvel bruisers for too long and it feels bad. Like what does Ben do these days other than get eviscerated. I feel like he's the only f4 member that shouldn't be there unfortunately.

[@SUthunder14]

@@LeavanDragon yeah Johnny got cool feats, but it's not really that impressive when it comes to compare him with other fire users. Considering Johnny is pretty much the most popular fire user in fiction. He defo deserve a permanent power boost. And I blame Dan Slott for that. And you're kinda wrong with Ben. Although Ben isn't strong as the Hulk, he's not weak either. In fact, he beated the Immortal Hulk in a fight fair and square (despite Ben taking every thing he got). Ben survived a blast from Galactus and a Celestial. And KO'd Silver Surfer and even stated to be holding back his punches while fighting him.

[@user-gk5mt9ox5f]

@@LeavanDragon since the f4 have a connect to the TOAA, it’d be cool if the thing was the avatar of TOAA like how hulk is an avatar of the TOBA

[@wandagrey2528]

So the marvel cosmology made of The Omniverse which is huge as f**k And has 8 incarnations And than you have the oblivion that surrounded the Omniverse and the scale than you have the far shore which is the end of the platonic /true platonic conspts all of this making up (mulkout the kingdom from the Qabalah) Than you have (yesod of the Qabalah) which is the beyond and the realm of the beyonders that they use ther engine to monitoring the Omniverse and all of mulkout and control the scycle of mulkout and put the narratives in it and they are above everything from mulkout not only that but mulkout is a drop of water in the see they power there engine from a higher reality and that is the white hot room true form phoenix and TIF'ERET of the Qabalah it's were thoughts ternd into reality were existing meets the real deal and than you have DA'AT or the abyss an embtiy space between TIF'ERET and keter Which lead us into Keter which is the house of ideas that thoughts come from and it encompass mulkout

[@veautifulvensei3613]

Marvel uses omniverse as a term synonymous for multiverse

[@RichWards-Wins]

I agree. MARVEL has become too vast with their Omniverse. Their omniverse contains infinte multiverses each one is bigger than dc's multiverse.

[@WinniePooh33]

​@veautifulvensei3613 No writers chose to, however, in the handbook it is an established terminology for infinite multiverses and contains all fiction, media, literature, movies. It means omni 'all' everything, means everything and contains it.

[@kyronhoward9935]

HOVA

[@michaelgarcia5680]

Wtf is that thing on the title of the video?

[@daddy3484]

Thats the newest version of Hulk form Defenders #3. A prehistoric version of the Hulk the defenders meet when they travel back in time. Supposedly its the first Hulk ever in the history of planet earth.

[@michaelgarcia5680]

@@daddy3484 well that kinda explains a lot…

[@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester]

Funny here on tube most say marvel is obviously bigger , On comicvine DC werid world

[@ithielpitt7525]

So which is greater DC or Marvel?

[@animoments8969]

Goku solos both

[@aliakbarmaliki3156]

@@animoments8969 Goku gets trashed by base Batman

[@RichWards-Wins]

Marvel has a bigger omniverse *which contains infinte multiverses (with unlimited earths). dc has a big multiverse with 52 earths.

[@justysiastrzelczyk8212]

​@@animoments8969 cry more bozo goku gets crushed by Green Lantern

[@gonhunter3994]

Nah, they =

[@spiritualkiller14]

DC and Marvel is just a hot mess. They don’t make sense for shit. Then they always create a strong character like Beyonder and struggle to write themselves out of that sticky situation💀

[@RichWards-Wins]

Been reading BOTH MARVEL and dc since the 70s and it is obvious that Marvel has an infinitely larger cosmology with higher layers. dc is constantly trying to reboot and contain their sandbox multiverse. dc= multiverse with infinite numbers of universes having 52 earths. MARVEL = Omniverse with infinite numbers of multiverses & Infinite numbers of earths.

[@user-ik8tb5qh7c]

Omniverse? Dc has a better argument for omniverse it has the overvoid with infinite creations

[@ProudOne]

DC cosmology is tiers above Marvel cosmology and that will probably never change

[@TheAlmighty616]

💀

[@sultansultan7812]

No, it won't. Dc stomps

[@kos3272]

So… Hulk solos most of dc? Good to know

[@AugustusOctavian843]

Uwl solos marvel

[@AugustusOctavian843]

Death of the endless solos marvel

[@kos3272]

@@AugustusOctavian843 Doesn’t get past chaos king lol

[@ugospotty678]

@@AugustusOctavian843lmao no way you think that's true

[@AugustusOctavian843]

@@ugospotty678 I bet you dont even know who that is

[@comprehentingbiased2968]

Dark tower still solo

[@theoneguywhoisatalk6331]

Marvel and D.C. fanboy: Stop the cap 🤓

[@kos3272]

Spiderman solos dark tower high diff

[@Superman-um9pd]

Average story though. To be honest.

[@comprehentingbiased2968]

@@Superman-um9pd yeay, i mean SCP has averages stories too but their cosmology is wank

[@Superman-um9pd]

@@comprehentingbiased2968 I don't know SCP cosmology so I cannot comment on it.

[@masterbeast-sz1yq]

Nice try ..but dc will always be bigger than marvel... marvel doesn't dare to do constant repoten like dc ...however because of repoten(start over again and again) in dc... marvel now have more stuff than dc...but what is important to us its the size of each these stuff..and its clearly dc have way much bigger unvirses than marvel..keep in your minds marvel didn't repoten even close to dc level ..and dc cosmology was much bigger than marvel at some points ...but not in current days...whos knows maybe dc cosmology will grow bigger in the future...I mean give them some slack ..dc still the goat of comics people..with my respect to marvel fans

[@iThqralt]

I hate DC fangays kept Downplaying Marvel

[@RichWards-Wins]

They have to downplay or they will curl up in the fetal position and start to cry like spoiled toddlers.

[@serenakhandaddyofamourship7699]

Lol dc is more broken Lol still marvel and DC going bankrupt infront of manga

[@DocGoon]

We can debate dc vs marvel on a livestream since you seem so confident with those cute ass Lols?

[@serenakhandaddyofamourship7699]

@@DocGoon probably but I don't know whether you are like honchoscales (a hypocrite fking biased marvel tard) I know about DC and marvel cosmology along with Cthulhu Mythos Warhammer because of guys like lumox theromax and Webcam parrot

[@serenakhandaddyofamourship7699]

@@DocGoon well shall see in debate

[@serenakhandaddyofamourship7699]

@@DocGoon lol thanks for the compliment(sarcasm)

[@DocGoon]

@@serenakhandaddyofamourship7699 so you agree to debate me live on stream??? Bet. Screenshotting this.

[@jeromelancashire3278]

Are you black or gay?

[@DocGoon]

Tf?

[@jeromelancashire3278]

@@DocGoon Because Marvel seems to want to pander to minorities in a rather Babyish manner, and anyone who doesn't like it is just a triggered white male.

[@DocGoon]

@@jeromelancashire3278 the fucks that gotta do with this video

[@comprehentingbiased2968]

@@DocGoon hey answer the question

[@jeromelancashire3278]

@@DocGoon The title is "is the current Marvel cosmology better than DC?"