Is the Electric Motorcycle market about to Collapse?? 🤫 ‖ Full Analysis...

We all know that electric motorcycles have their hangups, but are they selling and are the numbers increasing...?
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[@markellott5620]

I'm not sure the market for these machines ever got big enough to collapse.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Good point Mark 😊

[@Jay_Speed]

The son of a friend of mine bought a ev bike 5 years ago only to commute to work. 3 months and the batteries and engine needed replacing, 3 months later the same thing, but the dealer did not want too because he was still not paid for the first work. The bike was there for 4 months before it was fixed, batteries and engine but 3 months later the same trouble. Luckily he kept his old Yamaha Diversion 600 the whole time and after taking a lawyer he got his money back from the importer who a month later went bankrupt. So moral of the story never ev ! ( I can not use capital letters for that ) I hate that shit !

[@ianfutcher1518]

Which manufacturer was it?

[@Jay_Speed]

@@ianfutcher1518 Did forget the name, it's was bad anyway.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Wow, see Jay that is funny because they are sold as Uber reliable and needing hardly any maintenance (no oil, cams, starter, clutch etc). No one seems to be able to tell how much maintenance they need or how long the battery will last. It's all very opaque. I won't be investing especially as electricity has shot up. On a level2 charger it's now over 100p a kilowatt 😂, the same electric at home is 30 odd pence. They know what they are doing 😲

[@Jay_Speed]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist Yes and the thing is that he bought another Yamaha a FZ1 Fazer of 2010 and is still riding it without any problems. That is after he test drove mine 2009 bike.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Never owned a Fazer but the have a certain cult status these days!

[@Fubar_The_WEF]

It took me a while to understand your graphs. You have the x axis (time) going backwards.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Yes in hindsight I would have rearranged the data as such. We live and learn ☺️

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

Mrs Boulder says only one thing should be battery powered...but she'll divorce me if I tell you what it is....

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Bib 🤣🤣🤣.

[@dandude2010]

Most bikers dont want a quiet motorcycle

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I do.

[@AlexOnABoat]

I don't mind either way.

[@markellott5620]

@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne I do too, but the stock exhausts on modern bikes is quiet enough with just enough of a rumble.

[@SandStormPower]

Got a 125cc honda dax 15 days ago. I love the exhaust note. Subtle but pleasant. And adds to the fun. With fuel consumption of only 1.5L per 100km (I did 1.6L, still on break in period), I love it.

[@sandralison7584]

But most non bikers aka most people want quiet streets. I think loud vehicles should be illegal. Regardless of the kind of vehicle. I really suffer noise pollution

[@kevinfairclough7932]

How do those figures compare to the overall trend of petrol driven bike sales over the same period?

[@williamnethercott4364]

Good point. This might reveal the impact of recent cost of living issues.

[@langhamp8912]

"Is the electric motorcycle market about to collapse?" is the wrong question. The right question is "what electric vehicle outsells every other gas-powered vehicle sold in the UK in absolute numbers, has the highest rate of growth, and is projected to be owned by more UK citizens than any other vehicle, gas, electric, or otherwise?" That's the right question. And the right answer is the lowly class 1 pedal-assisted eBike. However, that's the wrong answer for the rest of the world (excluding Germany). The right answer on the global scale is the lowly eScooter which not only outsells eBikes by 3 to 1 but also whose sales outnumber all other vehicles (gas or electric) combined. No one in their right mind would buy an electric bike which is essentially the same as an ICE motorcycle except it might pollute a tiny bit less and has worse range. But give someone the option of a vehicle which is nearly as fast as any other vehicle during rush hour but can be brought into the house or the office, and now we're talking.

[@TheRetroLab]

Why did you do the graphs backwards?

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Just how the source data was presented, government statistics so we can't expect common sense 🙂

[@TheRetroLab]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist 😂😂

[@hectorshouse7348]

Your government is engaged in 2 wars but wants more…meanwhile they sell you a climate crisis lie, with co2 the offender, you really couldn’t write it😂

[@ChitFromChinola]

It’s actually just the normal pattern of the hype curve. 1. Peak of inflated expectations 2. Trough of disillusionment 3. Rebound of enlightenment 4. Plateau of productivity You can dog on electric motorcycles and predict their demise, but all disruptive technologies go through these phases. A lot of companies don’t make it past Phase 2. Average age of an American motorcycle rider today is 48 years old, up from an average age of 32 in 1990. How many older riders are going to buy an electric motorcycle? How many young people are going to buy a liter+ gas-engine hog? The winners for electric motorcycles in the US - and motorcycles in general - will have to play the long game and offer bikes that bring younger riders into motorcycling.

[@hectorshouse7348]

Battery vehicles aren’t even ‘green’….there’s a serious crock of lies being told here, but why?

[@ianfutcher1518]

So you think fossil fuel bike is then do you?

[@andyberhaahn]

Because it ticks the 'green' box and makes a lot of rich people a hell of a lot richer! The way the world works unfortunately

[@markellott5620]

@@ianfutcher1518 cradle to grave, the EV is dreadful. So, yes, for the moment a fossil fuelled machine is better.

[@ianfutcher1518]

@@andyberhaahn not sure where you are getting your facts from

[@hectorshouse7348]

@@ianfutcher1518 there is no green energy…except nuclear maybe

[@jala6707]

Good overview, but it would be interesting to hear your view on the reasons for this apparent downhill picture. I don't really understand it. Sure, there are the big reasons like range and recharge time. And some minor possible reasons for low sales include bad/unpopular designs, low build quality, hardly any dealers, too high priced, etc. But I would expect that e.g. electric scooters should sell well: they are ideal for urban commuting, aren't they? They look & ride like regular ICE scooters but with less maintenance and noise. Not sure why they don't sell.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

This is why I was keen to differentiate from EVs that seek to replace 'proper' motorcycles compared to the smaller 'capacity' supplementary machines (like urban commuters)... Thanks!

[@crumblymal8479]

Gotta say Sean this is a dead market no matter what governments say it's a non starter the infrastructure is never going to be there maybe if they persist in a 100 years but otherwise alternative / sustainable fuels are the only way .Either that or most of the population will have to give up on owning their own transport in my view 👌👍

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Hi Crumbly, you're probably right, private vehicle ownership will likely decrease in the next decades. I hope to be able to still use a petrol motorcycle into old age but let's see. Even BSA are supposed to be working on electric bikes! Who would've thought 🤔

[@crumblymal8479]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist Wow really so they have also been lets say coned into going down that route ,this is going to become one unholy mess in the future Sean when you think they are going to start charging manufacturers £15,000 per car if they produce petrol engine vehicles where the hell is it going to end up I wonder ? 😊👍

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

I try not to view things negatively but sometimes I think I'm glad to be in my 30's and have experienced the 1990s (kid) and 2000's (young adult). I had a petrol engined 6 cylinder BMW as my second car in 2007, man I remember being proud as punch with that 😊😃 drank fuel, but sounded brilliant. Things were cheaper and everything you did wasn't filmed and uploaded to social media, you called your mates house phone and asked their parents if you could speak to them, then it was texting on the old button phones. I'm sure every generation thinks like this but if you're a 20 year old now, or younger and have your adult life ahead of you, things might well be difficult in a couple of decades.

[@richardfews2113]

I was in Fowlers Bristol this week and they had discounted the Zero from £24k - £18k...just image how you'd feel having bought one before the sale!

[@GoosetavoS42]

Here in America companies are selling their small electric motorcycles as ebikes even with special modes to ride on bicycle trails. That is why Surrons and other similar companies are thriving. But that still doesn't make it legal regardless of functional pedals, because the motor is way over the standard motor limit of 750 watts. What I seen of electric assist bicycles of 750 watts that can go 28mph assist are going to make gas or electric mopeds obsolete.

[@MauriceTarantulas]

The price, weight, range + charge time is way off for me. Maybe in 5yrs?

[@Romiman1]

I think, the conversion to electric bikes just needs some more time. The most important changes are already on their way: A replacement of the "usual" buyers, an increase of charging points* and ranges and a decrease of the prices. * When electric cars being the norm, the number of gas stations also will lower and so the remaining ICE-bikers will be the one with the infrastructure-problem...

[@TringmotionCoUk]

Off the cuff, you need 6-8000 vehicles for them to become visible on the road. The motorbike market is tiny compared to cars, so I think it will be many years before this becomes the case. On a side note, I think these figures represent elective purchases in general in the UK, it would be remarkable if they were beating trends.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Are you selling a lot of E bikes? Ie non motorcycle two wheeled powered transport.

[@TringmotionCoUk]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist I would have to rewatch the video to double check, but there's been a significant drop since the Truss budget, mirroring your graph. Everyone I speak to who is involved in consumer discretionary sales is not having a period of sunshine and flowers.

[@dasschramm]

Look into Electric Motion. I love my EM Pure trials bike. Trials is a perfect application of electric motors.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Yes it's not surprise that the Surron brand which I suspect is mainly off road application is doing really well!

[@viffer8honda319]

cmere... no one reads graphs right to left.... also i wouldnt be advising anyone to invest inn EV bikes.... 99% of bikers do not want them.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Yes I should of re displayed it the right way round! Minor thing but it would have made the video better!

[@jedw9983]

I've had my eyes on a Zero for a while, but the range simply isn't good enough...perhaps not a big deal in the city, but in the mountains where l live, forget it, it's a deal breaker.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Hi Jed, would you be concerned about resale value? I do like the idea of a fast, low maintenance bike but not being able to sell it would worry me. Cheers, Sean

[@hectorshouse7348]

All personal transport is under attack…for your safety of course. Enjoy plebs

[@mred7030]

and you will be happy !

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

What's your answer then? Out of interest?

[@spudflap]

Interesting presentation. I think the reason why m/cycle ev's don't sell is simple. The bike riding demographic is mainly older blokes who are petrolheads. Unlike your average car buyer, they buy a bike because it satisfies a passion, as opposed to being simply a tool for transport (with the exception of small commuter machines bought purely for that purpose). The electric bike simply cannot compete in that respect, and I suspect that many, myself included, will hang up their boots when the time comes, as ev bikes will just hold no interest for them...

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thanks for the comment, there is definitely a difference between the bikers use case and the car drivers main motivation. The equivalent 'petrolhead' in the car world will probably cherish a V12 engined sports car or something like that and be against EV on principle. Whereas most normal car drivers will probably use electric as the tool that it is designed to be. I think ev cars are probably selling as expected whereas bikes are not..

[@GoosetavoS42]

I am not an old bloke for I am in my 30s and wouldn't mind the switch, but its the high price tag and limited range making it only good for a urban vehicle is what turns me off. Especially since one of the pros of gas motorcycles vs cars is that is saves on fuel. So is that high price tag and limited range going to brake even or more for saving money on fuel? That is why electric assist bicycles are doing better in the market. I don't like loud pipes, because you can't hear what is going around you. Other motorcyclist I have talked to say the same thing.

[@holeephuc007]

"About to"??? As a member of a 1000 plus group, NO ONE rides electric.

[@clivelockwood3236]

There is no market to collapse

[@ianhalliwell8604]

Living in a rural village i have never seen an electric bike although i have seen a few electric cars. Our local Morrisons supermarket has a couple of chargers for the public but its rare if they are actually used. Personally i wouldn't have an EV given to me, its ICE for me everytime

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Hi Ian, if I was commuting I would probably have one that you can remove the battery and charge under your desk but otherwise for other uses now they don't make sense for me either. The Maeving I like but that's more because it's so attractive and made of quality...

[@benalcorn9661]

I won't ride a silent electric bike....too dangerous. Loud pipes save lives 😎

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

😂 well that's one way to look at it. I've recently decatted my BSA so I hope you're right...

[@danceswithbadgers]

There's an electric motorcycle market?

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Who knows but I do love your username! Bravo 👌

[@markfortin8286]

When it comes to electric bikes, it seems the smaller they are, the more successful. I see quite a few around that are essentially bicycles with small motors and what appear to be swappable battery packs. I have rarely (if ever) seen a Zero, or another full sized electric motorcycle out on the roads.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

If I had a commute to work Mark, I would love one of the little electrics 'bicycles'. You'd spend no money on fuel with a removable battery and importantly would not sit in traffic either. Sadly (or fortunately depending on your view) I work from home and have done for 8 years so there's been no commute at all for me! I've never seen a zero in real life myself, I am tempted by them when I see the huge discounts but then that is a trick of the mind. The discount is because no body wants to invest in them! Thanks, Sean

[@AlexOnABoat]

But looking at the MCIA sales figures for all motorcycles they're all down, the only sector that was up for petrol powered was low capacity scooters. So does that mean the motorcycle market is in collapse too? Or, is my inner cynic right and are you looking to appeal to the Fillingham disciples and push your views and subscriber counts up by giving them what they want to hear?

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Hi Alex, this is the exact opposite of what I want. This channel is not a doom and gloom channel and never will be. You read the comments on those type videos and it's downright depressing. Nope this is because I am a sales manager and I find it interesting to poke into the numbers. I doubt MCIA numbers show a YTD decrease of 70% in sales however, which is the striking observation here. So tell your inner critic not to worry, we are not going down that path 😃👍

[@AlexOnABoat]

​​@@MindfulMotorcyclistthat's good then, there's so much false info about EVs in general and EMotos in particular that it's hugely frustrating for someone who might be interested in the market. My personal feeling is that there's was a lockdown bubble, a lot of the brands importing 50cc equivalents jumped on the "don't use public transport" message and sold to people old enough to have driving licences that permitted them to ride with no CBT at least that's what I'm seeing in London. Likewise, the born again bikers, spurred on by the "now is the time to change your life" zeitgeist adopted the larger models. We're now in post-pandemic, cost of living times, and an EMoto is just too expensive a toy to justify, and at the commuter end of the market, at least here in the weirdness of London I'm seeing a definite move from electric to assisted pedal power. And why not, they're cheaper to buy, have almost zero running costs and now traffic is back to pre-pandemic levels they're often quicker across town. It's definitely interesting times with manufacturers coming and going, I read overnight that Cake have gone into insolvency, and the big boys lurking at the fringes trying to decide if the market justifies their entry whilst at the same time appealing to the "I'd rather not ride than ride electric" riders by dangling promises of hydrogen or efuels. Ultimately the UK, and to an extent European market is so small that we'll get what we're given, it's the huge young markets of India, China, the Far East and to an increasing extent Africa that will push innovation and govern what we get to buy.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Many excellent points, really needs a video to reply to all above. Thank you for the comment! 👍

[@richardgitz2264]

I found your presentation very informative. Thank you.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

That's very kind thank you Richard. Trying to be factual and not inflammatory on a controversial topic 👍

[@richardgitz2264]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist You did a good job, thanks again.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

🙏👍

[@benschofield7565]

I think Maeving are one of the worst offenders. I'm not an EV fan anyway, but at least try and have your own identity and celebrate what you're about. Those fake little toy bikes are just cynical marketing ploys, in my opinion.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Hi Ben, I must admit I like the way the Maevings look but I wouldn't spend my own money on one, the performance isn't there an they are £7.5k, you could buy a new Kawasaki Ninja 650/ trident 660 or other bike that is so much more capable. I just asked Suzie her opinion of them and she replied in two words 'stupid & overpriced' 🤣

[@presstodelete1165]

Electric bikes are just a totaly different proposition that I can't imagine anyone would want to replace an ICE bike with, they are unlikly to be happy with it if they try. A lttle bit like swapping a speedboat for a windsurfer, I don't doubt there aren't people who do that, but not many. I can see sales to people who either have other bikes or for the miniscule number of people who want two wheels but don't like motorbikes.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thanks for the comment! There's quite a few EV bikes with say

[@russcattell955i]

Those numbers of registrations will include dealer demo machines. Diesel or electric, we don't want. For economy, inexpensive and green credentials we have had the answer since 1958, Honda super cub and similar

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Good point Russ, registered dealer demos will count to the total. Thanks 👍

[@wonderwall135]

I want an electric motorcycle but the price point to range and power is weak. They need to make them faster and longer range and cheaper.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Agreed Wonderwall. Give it time they will only get better!

[@stephenmundane]

The price for the top-spec Maeving RM1S is laughable -- you could get a new Triumph 400 Speed for the weekend and a new Sym Joymax 300cc maxi-scooter for the commute to work for a grand or so more...it does look cool though!

[@markellott5620]

You would have a better range on your Triumph and be able to carry a pillion.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

I think it's a big disadvantage not being able to carry a pillion, that said Maeving is doing well in the sales chart generally. They've got a 'look' that seems to attract a certain type of customer.

[@tonybrett7974]

or 2 brand new Royal Enfield Meteors & £1497 spare cash.

[@Sankara561]

We're at the Model T Ford stage of EV car development and bikes are still behind even that. The rule of small numbers applies and trying to divine trends from tiny quarterly sales volumes is like reading tea leaves. They'll get better, and MUCH cheaper, and I'm looking forward to getting mine when viable.

[@martinbrookes1372]

Electric motorcycle market ? Didnt know there was one .

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

😊

[@weemark67]

The old Ecosse motorcycles in Aberdeen, no longer with us. Were Royal Enfield and Honda, hence my 2 bikes.😊 The owner took in, horwin, or something like that. I asked re the range, was told 45 miles or so. So about as much use as a chocolate fire gaurd😂. Be ok, if only using to get back and forth to work, and it less than 20 miles there. That trial thingy looked ok, to have some fun on though😊 For me the the Royal Enfield and BSA look the part, and are cool. The new Triumph 400 are nice also. The 400 is actually got a higher seat than the 900. Dealer said the 400 can’t be lowered. 😢 Question for ya Shaun……does the seat come off easily enough, on your BSA?😊

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

The Triumph is apparently quite high in the seat. I think the scrambler is higher than the speed. Ummm yes on BSA is the seat comes off very easily, just remove a panel and pull a cable, then lift off the seat by pulling from the back.

[@YouMotorcycle]

Good video but completely irrelevant without numbers from all of the other manufacturers producing gas-powered, especially given that many of them are down compared to 2021 and 2022 when purchasing new motorcycles were at a peak during the pandemic. Many, maybe even most two-wheel, four-wheel, and Marine powersports manufacturers all have their numbers. If you don't consider the rest of the industry then the entire hypothesis is redundant. Might be worth redoing this one?

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Not really, you can have an independent dataset and conclusion without integration of every possible factor. To explain it in simple terms, you can link heart disease to obesity without including, stress, genetic predisposition, smoking, gender, body mass index etc. Studies like this are published all the time, that's how evidenced based research works. We can look at trends in the electric motorcycle market and say the market is down, why can we make that conclusion because less people are buying the bikes and the ticket prices are being slashed i.e supply and demand in effect. Yes of course a multi factorial analysis of all the potential causes of a down market would be desirable and perhaps interesting to you but I'm not about to do that. So no I won't be redoing a whole video based on one comment 😂

[@YouMotorcycle]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist any reputable study needs a benchmark average to measure against. If you're confident in what you've found, why not just compare to industry average? I've worked in the motorcycle biz for over a decade in Canada. Here the entire industry's numbers are down compared to during the pandemic and no one is surprised or concerned by that. I would be very surprised if it wasn't the same thing in the UK. What are the industry average numbers?

[@neilmackinnon3371]

I'm part of the "older demographic" and I have absolutely no issue with buying an electric bike.... other than the price.... oh and Zero's appalling business practices (copied from Tesla?). As for Electric cars.... I don't know where you are, but down here in Weston-s-Mare I'd say 25% or more is a more accurate number for EV to ICE cars.... of course they are all on personal leases (probably), but there are loads of them. I think there is one guy who owns a Super SOCO. I continue to watch EV's with detached interest.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

What are these practices? Optional features that are disabled via software? Built in redundancy to make you reinvest after a certain number of years? Just guessing.

[@neilmackinnon3371]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist Zero are very much into making the customer pay extra to have features already installed into the systems of the bike turned on. I don't know all of the details but they include faster charging and also performance boosts. I think it is an utterly reprehensible practice, especially as I suspect the moment the PCP is up and the bike returned to the dealer, all those 'extras' could be (are) turned back off again, so that the next customer for the same machine pays all over again.

[@davecarrera]

Reality over expectation dip. Oversold technology. Done my 1 year ownership of EV and still say it needs 15 to 20 years to mature.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Hi Dave, out of interest what bike/car did/do you own? Thanks 👍

[@davecarrera]

@MindfulMotorcyclist I had an Eskuta ev push bike. It was ok and is ok for short journeys to the shops and back, but the 40 to 50 mile range advertised was less than half. Basically, it's a similar experience to other EV owners I have seen reported. I'm doing my MOD 2 next week and dropped a deposit on the Triumph Street 400 yesterday 😁👍

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

@davecarrera well firstly all the best for your MOD2, if I could say a few points from my own test, remember 'navigation errors' don't cause a fail if he says left at the roundabout and going left requires an unsafe manoeuvre go straight on, don't be overly polite or move out of the way for cars, you have a road presence just like anyone else, when approaching queued or stationary traffic leave 2+ bike lengths between you and the car in front just to be safe and of course when you move off just look all around. In my opinion you've done the hard part which is the MOD1 with the u turn and the like which trips up people. Secondly great bike that little triumph, what a perfect first bike. You're going to have great fun. Good luck with both the test and the bike!

[@mrdygga6]

Was there ever a market to collapse? The sales figures for ev brands look like those of an ICE model. Initial costs are hard to take, though understandable for the tech.Finding an available charging point, then wasting valuable social time during the recharge does not appeal. The concept of ev biking works when considered as solely for commuting- ICE biking allows riders to commute, tour, or go out on social/group rides.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Valid point. Small market at best. I agree with the final sentence l, EV for a regular commute, ICE for everything else... Thank

[@MoroMagrew]

Spot on, the interest in electric motorcycles has seemed to dip. I do wonder if now the major Japanese manufacturers are getting on board with global electric bikes, like the Kawasaki offerings, if there will be an uptick in interest. Time will tell.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Kawasaki are very clever as they are hedging an EV bike (well Hybrid at least) with their Hydrogen prototype/ technology demonstrator. The problem with the Ninja 7Ev is it is essentially a heavier Ninja 650 with the same suspension and power output. A Ninja 650 is £7.5k whilst this new bike is tipped to be £12k plus. Who will go for that?

[@johnwood4448]

Thanks for the very informative video,I cannot see see EV motorcycles outside of short commutes ever becoming popular until purchace prices plummet and range rockets. BTW where did you get the cap you're wearing in the video from?

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Hi John thanks for the comment. I actually bought the cap from a. Outdoor clothing market in the Costa Brava. I did have another red one that was expensive but I have misplaced it (or someone pinched it after I left the car door open) so this one was just a cheap and cheerful replacement. It says made in china on the label and was €10 so if you find a cap that looks like this, its probably the same one. Mass produced and all that. Thanks, Sean 🙂

[@johnwood4448]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist thanks Sean,looks like I'll have to go to Spain if I want one 😐😉

[@norsehall309]

G'day from Australia, sofar l haven't seen a EV Motorcycle, not that I'm against the concept as in the EV Cars they just can't cope with the distances required between places, and the cost will have too come down before they look like making inroads into our auto market, great review, cheers mate, Neil 🤠.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Thanks Neil, appreciate the comment. Yes I imagine Australia is not ideal for EVs except maybe in the cities...

[@denlsgoulden2307]

Don't get it do they?? No one's interested in milk floats, 2 wheel or 4, no one wants the useless solutions without a problem, but they're being shoved down our throats by bunny huggers and those with a vested interest 🙄

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Well I love the environment as much as the next man but I don't think EV vehicles are going to solve the problem especially as forced on the population!

[@denlsgoulden2307]

There's evidence that EVs when you take everything into consideration are no better for the environment than modern petrol engines!! Makes you wonder doesn't it ? 🤔🙄

[@gregstretton8584]

I wish the silly influencers would stop riding these pieces of crap, they are no good, and they never will be any good. I know these people need to earn a living, but there are hundreds of new bikes to review. Governments around the world are pushing like hell to make these bikes seem acceptable so they can kill off petrol motorcycles. Why can no one see what is in the future, if you love bikes, stay away from electric!

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

There is a broader point here about influencers in general. A lot of stuff is actually not all that, see a bike that is re-hashed or minor tweeks and you'll get review that labels it game changing. If I ever do that feel free to call me out 😂😂

[@user-gn7cm6db2d]

EVs offer no improvement over ICEs plus they are expensive and are not climate friendly.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Yes they are certainly not climate friendly but that's perhaps for another video!

[@daveb2wright]

Energica motorcycle, £25-30K, 130 miles range for normal riding, at best. What's not to like!

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm Dave? 🤣🤣

[@georgekrpan3181]

Not meaning to be cheeky but last Sunday I saw a dozen Harley Livewires at the Rock Store in Southern California.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Not cheeky at all George. I guess California is known for being a progressive state so if anywhere in the world would have a herd of EVs it would be SoCal. Thanks 👍

[@georgekrpan3181]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist Teslas are a dime a dozen here. I'd love one but as far as motos go I'll take gas. Cheers!

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

I drove the model S plaid a couple of weeks ago... Wow 😲😲

[@aaronbanks7555]

I hate electric cars and bikes. So this news makes me happy!😂

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Least you're honest 😃

[@paulyflyer8154]

Before xmas a group of us just went for a quick spin to a cafe about 30 miles away in west wales. Whilst there someone suggested we nip to the coast which was about 35 miles away. However one of the guys had a Zero and he just couldn't join us, as he wouldn't be able to get home. He decided shortly afterwards to trade it in for a Kawasaki 1000 SX. He still has the Zero though because they wouldnt take it off him. Hes still looking round but absolutely no dealers want it.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Now that's an interesting story Paul. They wouldn't take the zero off him even in a part ex for a new bike! It must be an undesirable bike to have on your books. I know a little about this as I bought a relatively unknown Chinese adventure bike and when I wanted to get rid I had to ring around many dealers to ask them to buy it, some wouldn't touch it at any price. It pays to have a bike people actually want to buy. Thanks for the comment.

[@paulyflyer8154]

@MindfulMotorcyclist I think some electric bikes have their place. For someone commuting every day or just wanting to run short errands they are great but what I couldn't understand about that particular Zero was that it had fantastic performance probably as quick or quicker than a fireblade, but he could only ride it for a couple of hours at a time. If we lived in California it would be great but in the Welsh Borders where even finding a petrol station is hard on a Sunday no! Keep up the great videos!

[@user-sw2lv3zp6o]

I hope the market is going to collapse. EVs are not 'green' in the first place. I agree with your comments about Maeving, but I wouldn't buy any EV as a matter of principle. I don't believe anything I read on these modern issues in the mainstream media, and you know what I'm talking about. Pinko politics.

[@ianfutcher1518]

Where are you getting your facts from?

[@AlexOnABoat]

​@@ianfutcher1518some bloke who told him to "do the research"

[@marcbrasse747]

I do not even have to watch this. Wishfull thinking of a traditionalist. Already saw a manipulated graph while scrolling.

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

🤣 didn't even watch the video just scrolled through and labelled it all nonsense. Charts are all lifted from official data on bikes registered in the UK. Not sure how that manipulated. The fact is the bikes do not really work for most motorcyclists outside of commuting... Just read the comments on here!

[@marcbrasse747]

@@MindfulMotorcyclist what about the graph at 5:10 min then which shows the most recent sales to the left?

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

Yes it's most recent data on the left. That's the way UK packages the data. If you looked at the graph 📈 left to right it would actually reflect better on the market!

[@willyrackham2957]

I have always said electrvehicles are a dead end road ......its unsustainable....probably hydrogen is the way forward

[@MindfulMotorcyclist]

You might well be right Willy. I suspect they will 'discover' that the batteries require raw minerals from questionable sources or involved in unethical mining and thus taxes and levys will be added to these vehicles. Very much like diesel was the darling of cars in the early 2000s, now its seen as nasty and polluting. Didn't Kawasaki recently unveil a hydrogen powered bike? Just as a technology demonstrator but it had tanks in the rear panniers you could take on and off! Thanks for the comment 😊