Is the Honda Hornet CB750 the new king of the parallel twins? | MCN

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We'd love to hear your views so get them down in the comment section! Which naked bike do you think is best? Honda's new Hornet CB750 or the perennially popular Yamaha MT-07?
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[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Which one would you Buy?

[@trailrider1980]

If buying new the honda. But realistically, a used mt07 is a much better bargain. I got my mt07 for less than 5k usd. 2019 model still with warranty.

[@ralphwarom2514]

Honda. Not my kind of bike. But it would be a honda if i had to choose.

[@pacheraaquatica87]

The Yamaha looks better but the Honda sounds better in my opinion. Does anyone agree with that? I would get the Honda based on this review and it would suit me better. What a bargain with all that tech!

[@DC_Cha_Cha_Cha]

I've ordered the Hornet. Can't wait!

[@MaxxMotoDotBe]

Too busy pulling wheelies on the old MT-07 to even consider.

[@trailrider1980]

Exactly the results I was expecting. After almost 10 years there is a new king...congrats to the hornet.... You have to keep in mind that you are comparing a newly designed bike to a decade old one. Yamaha is finally forced to improve the mt07.

[@fyorbane]

The MT07 got dethroned by the excellent Triumph Trident 660.

[@orentom2]

You can get the honda with michlen road5

[@danielcosta1987]

@@fyorbane i test rode the trident at lauch, the throtle response felt terrible compared to the mt07 or cb650r (the closest rivals at the time) love the design tho.

[@gsm_liv8980]

@@danielcosta1987 same. Also the front suspension setup feels a bit too hard for me being a lighter person, and the engine is considerably hotter which makes riding in traffic more uncomfy than it already is. At least the seat is quite nice

[@BodybuildingSteve]

@@fyorbane yeah but triumph reliability is LOL

[@BikesofRye]

The Hornet is one of the most exciting bikes for the money I have ridden in a long time. The engine is superb and its chassis is lively. Just a shame it doesn't look quite as good as it rides

[@jackiechan5626]

They should have put a 180 section rear on it… it would have done wonders for the looks IMO. It’s one of the reasons the GSX8S and MT look soo good.

[@Steve-motorcycles]

@@jackiechan5626 I thought that but the smaller tire certainly make it a whole lot more nimble. It’s a bike that handles better than it has any real right to

[@rayhan4502]

Eh wdym it doesnt looks good

[@Karozy4869]

@@rayhan4502 Honda has never nailed the streetfighter look comparing to Yamaha or Ducati. The bike doesn't look bad, but it's not that good either. I'd prefer the CB750 to follow the Neo Sport Cafe and have the look of the CB650R instead. With that we'll have a bike that looks good, is fun to ride and doesn't weight as much as an adv bike.

[@spotthedogg]

They certainly have made some awesome looking CB650/1000\300R naked bikes, this little molded headlight design has to die

[@Banditmanuk]

Such a well-made video. Presented by one of the best motorcycle journalists. Looks like Honda are going to sell loads, especially if they can maintain the very competitive price. Hope you can in the future, do a 4 way test to include the Triumph Trident and the new Suzuki

[@banestock]

Also would be interesting to compare it to the older 790 duke, as I've riden that bike and they plan to relaunch it in the Asian markets.

[@chiefyy710]

yea id buy this over the Mt-07 if theyd freakin bring it to the states

[@ozzyg82]

Can’t wait for a 3-way between these and the GSX 8S, and maybe even a 4-way including the lovely Trident.

[@cxnnxrjxy]

Interesting choice of words but hey.

[@justaname9544]

Fk it, make it a 5-way with the CB650R

[@DavidSmith-hn5gg]

The hornet is a much better bike than the trident.

[@kbattraw]

​@@DavidSmith-hn5gg the trident wins the beauty contest in the segment though, IMO.

[@barrymergen6345]

3-way….😂

[@LColUK]

I've had an MT-07 (2020) for 3 years now, and I cannot fault it. It's great fun to ride, reliable, quick, nimble, and looks fantastic. I rode a Hornet over the weekend, and tomorrow I'll put a deposit down on one. It had everything the Yam had (apart from the looks), and then some. The clutch and gearchanges were incredibly smooth, it was quicker, the optional quickshifter is fantastic, the bluetooth integration for satnav etc is great, and somehow there's even less wind buffeting at higher speeds. I've not been riding long, and I've only ever owned Yamaha bikes. I'll be genuinely sad to see the back of my beloved MT-07, but the Hornet impressed so much on that one test ride that I'm not sure how Yamaha will sell many more MT-07's this year.

[@filoIII]

YZ/MT series have never been known as "nimble." They're know for poor handling.

[@jeremywebber6353]

How tall are you? I’m trying to decide on these 2 bikes but he said the mt is better for taller riders, and I’m 6’2 so can’t decide which would be better bc it seems like the hornet is the superior bike

[@LColUK]

@@jeremywebber6353 I'm 6'1 and porky. I couldn't feel a lot of difference between the bikes, but I did only spend an hour or 2 with the Hornet. The MT is pretty uncomfortable after 90+ minutes but that's more to do with the crap seat. Otherwise, if you can run the extra cash to a Tracer, they feel much roomier.

[@whiskeythrottle333]

I would have bought a used MT-09 or XSR900 over any of these bikes. Yes I'm talking used bike, but probably around the same price as a new Hornet/mt-07. I own XSR900 -22 and MT-07 -20 and once you ride the 900cc tripple, the paralell twin feels like quiet, slow tractor. The only thing the MT-07 is good at is the price I think. Its a great commuter bike, if you are a short person. An XSR900/MT-09 probably feels like a Fiat Uno compared to a super sportbike.....but the price (both purchase and insurance) will double or tripple. :)

[@LColUK]

@@whiskeythrottle333 Aye, I get that - and to be honest you can pick up a 5 year old MT-09 for a very similar price. Not on a PCP deal though, and I like my little twins! Just goes to show, one bike just isn't enough 🙂

[@ktmkevin]

Fun comparison! Let's hope the Hornet (and maybe the GSX8S) will finally give Yamaha the push they need to thoroughly upgrade the mt-07. I mean the last facelift... A weird looking headlight and funky colours won't make up for poor suspension, axial brakes and a right side up front fork. Also 70 bhp suddenly seems like a bit of a dud compared to the Hornet, GSX8S and also the Tuono 660 which has a comparable engine setup!

[@jokensy101]

The mt07 looks better than the Honda and the headlight is not weird! 😋

[@mike1967sam]

I sold my Yamaha MT-07 and bought a Honda CB750 Hornet and I finally realized what a Yamaha would feel like if it actually had quality parts from the forks to the brakes to the engine to the torque.

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Have you watched the video?

[@MotoGoato]

The MT is showing it's age and dated low end technology ... the bike has barely changed in a decade or so other than re-styling and very minor tweaks. Time for a major update or maybe even totally new model. Honda have smashed it with the Hornet .. it's going to steal a LOT of sales from the Yamaha ...

[@gbner9991]

@@MotoGoato True. But I think Yamaha is taking so long because it will be big update to the CP2 engine, which is mounted in multiple bikes . My guess is that it will get a ride by wire system. That will allow them to give all the features that it's currently lacking, especially in the T7 and Tracer 7. At the moment they have reached a limit with the tech on these bikes and I think costumers won't be happy if they go for another round of useless updates like we got until now.

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

It was meant to be an expensive, not bad ass. It’s pretty good for the value.

[@MonicaHolly143]

Yeah honda is known to have quality feeling its like comparing mazda to honda and toyota cars

[@johnDukemaster]

Imagin the Hornet with the CB650R headlight. Between these two, I'd buy the Honda.

[@gsm_liv8980]

+ 650's swingarms as well. Those simple swingarms on the Hornet surely don't look very good

[@Steve-motorcycles]

I think you was being kind to the MT07 in the handling department. Having owned a MT07 its suspension is way to soft. The Hornet is much better mid corner. However, my Hornet come with Road 5 tyres

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Thanks for taking the time to comment!

[@SirMountainpass]

The MT07 is still ideal for a shorter and reasonably light person starting to ride (35 kw version) - then the (low) ride height, suspension (soft), weight (low with 184 kgs wet) and handling (easy, also at low speeds) tend to shine. Alternative (if the budget should be available): The MT09 in the 35 kw version (189 kgs wet) 😉

[@Steve-motorcycles]

@@SirMountainpass Yes it is. I love the MT07. I covered around 34000 miles on mine without a single hitch. Fun and very reliable. It’s a bike you can do just about anything on. Anyone who has or is considering buying a MT07 will have a great bike.

[@jonahblaymires3482]

The damping in the stock forks on the mt is a joke. I put thicker oil in mine the day after I bought it.

[@whiskeythrottle333]

@@jonahblaymires3482 I agree, I thought I was going to crash the first time I entered a roundabout at high speed (pogostick effect). I also put thicker oil and cut the spacers 10mm. Next time im using even thicker oil in the forks.

[@HybridMiranda]

I like the looks of this MT07 more, but I'd prefer the performance of the Honda... I'm a 5'7" woman, so it'd probably fit me really well. And as for the tires, if the MT07 has better tires, then I guess I'd be switching to those on the second set for the Honda (or another comparable pair that plays well with the Hornet). I wonder if I could also take the rear-view-mirror stalks from the MT07 as well, then repaint parts of the Hornet... I'd love to see the lights from the Aprilia RS660 on the Hornet with the adaptive lighting for corners.

[@wilmitsao3530]

this fugly hornet makes my duke look a lot better

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Thanks for commenting!

[@paulyflyer8154]

I love the Monty Python style desk on the runway... And now for something completely different

[@jkfsz]

I tell you why the Yamaha is better. You can buy it as an XSR700.

[@pinkies_up_garage]

Looks go to the MT but sound goes to the Hornet. For my money, I think the hornet edges out the MT by quite a bit... but I wish it was prettier 😅

[@BenButler50]

Do you not consider the Tuono 660 to be in this class as well? Didnt hear you mention it as a competitor in the class.

[@whitedevilvaz]

Yeah it is simply absurd as it is by far the best in the class. Best tech, best equipment and most hp. Yeah it is expensive but it is undoubtedly the best in the class.

[@brucerossonthetube]

Always the highest quality reviews. I hope Honda does the equivalent of an XSR version of this Hornet. I think the bike is awesome but they borrowed the styling from an older CB1000R which makes it very dated or bland in my eyes.

[@MotoGoato]

Not sure about the Yamaha's top end being "interesting" .... unless by interesting you mean "a bit lacking". They have great bottom end and mid range grunt but start to run out of breath fairly early ... very sweet in the 30 to 80mph range though. I enjoyed the one I owned for a year and a half or so. No doubt the Honda has it beaten very comprehensively though ... seems like a better bike all around and for less money too, could even spec the quickshifter on to it and it would still be cheaper than the MT, plus the Honda quickshifter is a proper two way job not just the up shifter thats offered as an option on the MT.

[@theorthobiker]

That would be reviewer talk for "it could be better." XD

[@joeblow5037]

The Yamaha looks like they had some extra swimming pool paint left over.

[@Snotroggel453]

😂😂😂

[@daninthepan]

That's what it is. Couldn't think where I'd seen it.

[@joeblow5037]

@@daninthepan some would say Le Mans Gulf Blue haha 😎

[@leo83139]

There's definitely a big difference between the two suspensions. Yamahas is cheap like a pogo stick and very budget. The Honda has showa big piston front forks, unfortunately not adjustable but a lot better and a lot safer. Not sure why stock tyres always come up in these reviews? Can never weigh them in as they'll always be replaced and are not a permanent part of the bike.

[@dirkmohrmann8960]

Tires cost several hundred pounds to replace, you can't just ignore them. If you have to throw away the tires because they aren't good, you've just spent money that the other guy could've put towards a new rear shock for example

[@leo83139]

@@dirkmohrmann8960 yeah but you're inevitably going to replace them anyway. Several hundred pounds is insanely steep for tyres. That's $1400 here, a new set of good tyres here would be about less than half that. After 15000km will you be super stoked about buying the cheaper bike based on its stock tyres?

[@davidleonard8369]

Well I didn’t have to replace the tires on my 2022 mt07. And after spending a few dollars on a bottle of belray 20wt fork oil and two pvc risers and adjusting the spring pre load on the shock the suspension is fine. I’m not saying that it’s better than the hornet but it gets old hearing so many people bitching about the cheap suspension when it’s so cheap and easy to improve it in an afternoon spent in the garage.

[@leo83139]

@@davidleonard8369... Might be because your bikes still relatively new? But that's good for you anyway, you've obviously got the tools and experience to make a suspension mod quick and simple.. More power to you man. I doubt the average rider has that kinda setup and experience.

[@davidleonard8369]

@@leo83139 yeah I’ve been riding and racing my whole life so I have the knowledge and tools to do it. But here’s what rubs my fur the wrong way. The people bashing the forks on the mt07 obviously know about you tube because that’s where they do the bashing. I couldn’t live with how bad the forks were so I just searched KZbin and found a channel called Dave moss tuning and he has a step by step video on how to do it. I was shocked at the difference especially since I was initially thinking about adding pre load to the stock springs. Turns out that once you have the correct viscosity and volume of oil in the fork legs you actually reduce the pre load 10mm.

[@Secularworld60]

I find Michaels reviews always to the point , impartial and coming from a place of experience and importantly no “dude” or “bro” thrown into the commentary .

[@scotteilers5626]

Or unnecessary F bombs. Just turned a video off the other day not because I was offended morally but intellectually.

[@DC_Cha_Cha_Cha]

Great comparison review; very well considered and fun to watch. I test rode the Hornet last week and fell in love with it almost immediately. Loads of torque, really agile, lightweight, sounds awesome (even with stock exhaust), really easy to ride. I originally had my heart set on the Neo Café CB650R, but as soon as I sat on the Hornet it just felt right. An hour later I placed my order. Also, I think it looks great too! Not classic like the CB650R naked perhaps, but sharp and purposeful. Much better in the flesh than on images or fillm imo

[@BagpipekilR]

The GSX8S is gonna be a game changer. I have owned many suzukis. All have been dead reliable, to a fault. Such a well built brand. I really hope they come out with a fully faired 8R version. I will be pre-ordering mine soon. Great to see some middle weight Japanese competition 👏

[@wille1086]

Suzuki is out of the game unfortunately

[@zackphelps3052]

Only thing is it weighs as much as a 1000c bike for no reason 😂

[@flatD1]

Thanx for your work. But, i have to say, comparing BHP/kg doesn't make any sense, if you ignore the weight of the driver. Especially on Motorbikes, the Driver is about the third of the weight. So, if you include the drivers weight (the same weight to each bike), the difference in BHP/kg will be much smaller. My GSX-S750, just 2,5 years old, for about the same amount of money (8000 pounds) has plenty more BHP (114) out of an inline 4 and accelerates in half of the time from 0 to 100km/h (just under 4 seconds), revs much higher (12000RPM) and go much faster (240km/h). So i can not understand your passion about these two bikes. Sorry.

[@xsr_dirt]

He ran it 0-100 mile/hour, not km/hour.

[@Discofpv]

Brought my mt 2020 and I don’t think iv ever been out on it and not done a wheelie or 3 😂 😆Honda is peaking my interest tho as is gsx8s can’t wait for your review of that 😊 ❤❤ enjoy your channel 👌

[@DavidSmith-hn5gg]

Go ride the Hornet it’s awesome!

[@patw9175]

The best part about the Hornet and the new Gixxus is that Yamaha is basically forced finally to update the MT. The ultimate winner here is us, the riders.

[@adam346]

the hope is that Yamaha strike back with an updated MT-07 to rival or beat the Hornet... that is why competition is gud.

[@IgWannA2]

Rode an MT-07 in Spain for a few days back in 2016 and as someone coming from sports bikes and Street Triples at the time, I remember it being pretty underwhelming in terms of power and also handling. The suspension felt soft and bouncy. The fueling was great though and throttle very forgiving at low speeds, it felt like an easy going lazy bike, but at the same time felt a bit cheap in terms of build quality. Interested in the new Hornet though, with its massive power advantage (27% more!) and it's cheaper! Not a fan of the looks personally - the beak looks too pointy.

[@Maverick0190]

Will you make a Video on the GSX S8 and compare it to the Hornet?

[@martyndunn1905]

Personally out of the two I prefer the mt07, don't like the look of the new hornet much prefer the look of the old one.

[@gopherchucksgamingnstuff2263]

Why don't we get that bike stateside? They can't claim they wouldn't sell.

[@Firestorm637]

90-100 horsepower in a 400 plus pound bike makes perfect power/weight fit the street. You do not need 200 horsepower, $20,000 plus bikes. Harley’s CVO $50,000 for a motorcycle. I think Any motorcycle over $20,000 is crazy. This is from someone that owns a Super Duke and MV AGusta Dragster 800rr Pirelli edition. Middle weight class is just fine

[@robbie12207]

I actually like the looks of the hornet a lot but to be honest, I like the look of the CB500F also. Hope these hornets come to Australia!

[@brettcummings7834]

Actually didn't see that coming. You can't argue with a Honda. I had a 2002 CBR f4I and it was a beauty of a machine which I'm sure the Hornet is now too. Thx for the review, Excellent as always.

[@norbertovillarealiii6750]

why not 10/10 on the price? how much more value do you want?

[@sebastianhagman1937]

Good review, thanks, and well done Honda! One comment though, about the "fun" (and yes I know I am an unskilled old fart when riding) but poppin wheeles as a measure? Hmmm. So which bike is more fun if you prefer to be more safe (and legal) and keep both wheels on the ground? Also - no words about which would be better if indeed you would do a longer trip, say over 4 hours away? I know, that's for sure not what these bikes should be about, but still. Again, enjoyed the video, thank you!

[@A--lex]

Yamaha should update the mt07's engine and Bore it out a little just like they did with the mt09 in 2021 from 847cc to 889cc maybe from a 689cc to 749cc for the 07 so that it can keep up with the hornet. Although it definitely doesn't need more power it'll help with the marketing

[@NeoRimeOnline]

My motorcycle insurance is twice that here in Canada, where i can't ride for half the year...

[@ControlLingOo]

Really nice Video. Waiting for the follow up comparison between the Suzuki GSX8S and the Honda CB750 😊

[@zsalemmackall]

Curious to see if 10 years of making a Honda version of an MT07 is truly that much better. The MT will always have a special place in my heart regardless but can’t wait to try this bike too

[@DavidSmith-hn5gg]

The Hornets amazing! I test rode one while my 12 month old bike was being serviced and bought one straight away 😂

[@baharakgul3478]

I had a 2017 Model Mt-07 motorcycle. I've never used a new model Mt-07 before, but Although I've been using Hornet for 3 days, this Motorcycle is a complete crazy one. I couldn't stop as much as I went with Yamaha, it goes very fast with the help of the quickshifter with the Hornet and I can stop safely thanks to the power brakes. You should definitely test a Hornet. Then you will understand what I said. 😊

[@martinu.6921]

I think Yamaha should upgrade the MT-07 into an MT-08, with quality suspension, to be still compeditive.

[@DarkSpartan317]

I've had a lot of Yamahas in my life, and only Yamahas in my garage currently. My buddy had a cb500r that was really pathetic on power, handled fine but it wasn't anything to write home about, and the engine characteristic was just bland, no revs, not a good sound. Honda's for the past few years have been in a weird place in the market, usually down on power, and steep on price compared to the competition, but this new Honda fills me with hope. Yamaha's had the corner for power and reliability, and of recently prices have been climbing astronomically. That Honda makes a GREAT noise, has the power numbers to back it up (and not by a small margin), you get reliability as Honda is known for, AND you get into it for less money. LOVE it, that's the competition I want to see, I'm strongly considering Honda for my next bike.

[@VladoooThe]

Crazy how expensive these "cheap" bikes have gotten. I remember buying my MT-07 brand new in 2016 for $6000 CAD, which is like 3600 pounds.

[@Higgino97]

Am excited to see if Yamaha fire back and actually develop the mt-07 again

[@silvanabrewer157]

The budget for the suspension on the mt07 was £10

[@queenslander954]

if the CB750 is .. then it’s only taken Honda 8 years to catch up , the MT-07 came out in 2015 and won bike of the year everywhere . So well done to Honda for finely catching up .. and Xtra well done to Yamaha for bringing out a brilliant bike in 2015 & ever since.

[@linopontes]

If you include the suzuki 8-s in the list of middleweights, you can't exclude the old/ new ktm 790.

[@michelod.i.y.5202]

My conclusion is Yamaha need to make a whole new Mt 07 to complete. It was at the top of its game back in the day,but then but now theirs a new kid on the block

[@Gofr5]

I remember everyone giving the Hornet so much grief when it was unveiled. Nice to see some vindication for it.

[@We-Cook-It]

I own an 2022 MT-07 & never had a thought of regret it is super awesome & raw I enjoy it.👌🏽👍🏽👏🏽💯 Other brands like the Honda & Suzuki are trying to copy and add more for that I would upscale to a MT-09 & be even more happier.👌🏽👍🏽👏🏽💯

[@jordanjoestar8839]

I have my money on the Suzuki GSX8-S. What it lacks it top end it makes up for down low. With a tune I guarantee we will see a 100hp 8S. It's a more simple elegant machine, with strong and effective hardware, but not the pile of boring electric nannies. Same reason I went with the GSXR750. No TC or ABS. Just the massive forks, stellar brakes and god level chassis. Suzuki knows how to make machines that don't often NEED the expensive and somewhat hassle-ridden aids.

[@Hash9377]

Love seeing the legend neevesy

[@stevek8829]

CONGRATS on using the correct term, "pound foot" instead of the common incorrect "foot-pounds." No one says meter-Newtons, but even torque wrenches are miss labeled. Even Harley marketing says it wrong in their ad copy. Maybe it's a U.S. thing.

[@photographerjonathan]

I really wanted to see this comparison. love the zero to 100 test. I wish you had included the new Suzuki twin and the Triumph Triton in this video. The Hornet seems like a great bike. except the looks don't do it for me. especially the ones with the red forks.

[@niborski2997]

Initially I liked the red frame and forks, but now I think it looks cheap and nasty, especially as they seem to have two different shades of red. I agree, the yellow and metallic grey models look a lot classier. Great review as always MN.

[@NudlSuppn]

I honestly think that no 2023 bike is the new king of the parallel twins, i still like the first generation MT07s (2014-2016) the most, the following model looks really good, too, but I personally am really dissapointed that new Naked Bikes dont look as good as their previous models

[@EUKBIKER]

Didnt like the MT07, had one on loan when my bike was off the road... seat felt too flat, i like my 2011 versys 650 too much... its old, no assists, no abs and its tall... new versys 650 is waaaaaaay to technical to enjoy compared to old ones.

[@glsracer]

The new Hornet looks like an excellent bike. I was never a big fan of the MT-07 but then I prefer sportbikes. I'm still holding out hope that Honda will release a CBR750R but with the 650R out there (when you can actually find one), I may be holding my breath a while.

[@papercut1987]

650r is a sweet sweet 4 banger

[@chrisclark1761]

It is a sportsbike.

[@glsracer]

@@chrisclark1761 no it's a naked bike. It lacks a full fairing and windshield that a sportbike has.

[@Stickmister360]

I don’t think yamaha is going to take this lightly. The cp2 engine in the mt07 is the most reliable engine I believe in the world! Now we got the same recipe in a HONDA! Yamaha needs to improve the cp2 or redesign the engine cp2.0 perhaps. It’s been a good run Yamaha but now it’s time for a new king. Congrats to the hornet.

[@paulrollinson1305]

Not sure what the relevance of all the wheelies is except to flex your riding skills.

[@trippyrides5674]

One of the best review videos recently - kudos for your efforts Neevsy.

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Glad you liked it!

[@willfriar5163]

Great video , the Ktm 790 or BMW f900 are not too much more . I would go that route , although the Yamaha looks better than the Honda and im a Honda fan

[@laurentmehn9714]

Hello, very good analysis, next video, Honda Hornet vs Suzuki GSX 8S. In France a lot of bikers wait of your feed-back.

[@ventisette.]

What would be interesting is a big group test including Hornet, Tuono 660, GSX-8S and MT07. You can leave the Z650 with its outdated, underpowered engine out.

[@STcolin]

Great format for this type of video. Really enjoyed the 0-100 drag race. Please do more of this! Surprised to hear the Hornet won you over in the end. Still not sold on the looks though and it does look very much its price in parts.

[@_Makanko_]

Hi guys, just want to note that the music was suddenly quite loud and overly bass sounding for a minute there at 13:28. Not very pleasant to my ears. Either my headphones are shot or you guys really messed something up with sound levels

[@mightymikethebear]

So, if the Honda had better tires it would be a Beast?

[@benzinschnueffler187]

Honda nailed it. The Hornet is THE MT07 killer. It seems like it does everything better.

[@stevek8829]

Why did Honda make a twin 750? What does it do better than the CB-750 four. What about smoorhness? My CB-350 was smooth (hard to remember) but my larger BSA 650 vibrated a whole lot. Since then only horizontal or v-twin for me.

[@monawoka97]

Without even watching, easy MT07. Why? Well. Because I own one. So, duh.

[@Jer0867]

18:38 It's also a bigger engine, which this review doesn't seem to have taken into account. 66cc may not sound much but, given how much power manufacturers get out of any given capacity these days, that is actually a fairly significant difference in overall performance. If the Honda was also a 689cc engine, the figures would have been much closer. Comparisons like this are largely meaningless, as the major factor influencing the performance of each bike (i.e. the engines) are two different animals. Would you say a 6' 5" boxer is better than a 5' 9" one, because he has a longer reach? You should be comparing him to other boxers of that height (all other things being equal), or the whole exercise is pointless.

[@4stroke-r6]

It took 10 years for Honda to do something about the MT/FZ. Let's put another 10 years in and let's see who still reigns supreme. Only the buyers will know the truth. Biased FZ-07 owner.

[@filoIII]

Better power, handling, quality, and price. HONDA 4 da WIN!!!

[@smcd5772]

I liked my 2022 MT07 except for the fork, which is pretty bad, and that 74 hp got old pretty quickly. Felt a bit strained at highway speeds.

[@Saucey65]

13:28 you're tapping out the bass limits on my laptop with that background music. I'd buy the MT, it looks way better and seems more polished. Granted Yamaha has had more time with that bike. Even though the Hornet is a blast from the past, it's a new package. I'm sure future iterations will be better if they keep it going.

[@darkone9572]

Who want traction control anyway ? I don't even like ABS ! Modes ? WTF are modes ? Musical church scales !

[@ericzochowski3749]

The Yamaha looks way better than the Honda but way over priced in my opinion. Handling wise, I bet the Honda would be just as good as the Yamaha if it had the better tyres, everyone knows that Dunlop tyres are rubbish, it doesn't mater if it's car or bike tyres.

[@steveball2307]

Wonder how KTMs reintroduced Duke 790 stacks up? Bit more expensive at £8k but most dealers are throwing in a quickshifter for that..

[@Parkyste]

I don’t get why everyone was quick to say how bad looking the Hornet was when launched… personally I think it looks much better than the MT-07 but when that was launched no one said anything about the looks… Also the Honda sounds much better… Top notch per Usual Neevsey 👍👍🏍️💨💨

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Thanks for watching!

[@vigilant.]

Well said

[@francisfe2064]

Honda really dropped the ball, handling is the hornets claimed special ability....shrugs

[@ArranD1]

If the Honda has the fit and finish that honda usually has, and yamaha hasn't sorted out the rust and corrosion issue that plagues the lower model MT's, I cant see why the Honda won't take over the top spot I've always loved the sound of the MT but that hornet pips it

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Thanks for taking the time to comment!

[@ellistolchard4400]

Could you please elaborate on the rust and corrosion issue that plaques the lower model MTs? I'm genuinely interested.

[@ArranD1]

@@ellistolchard4400 I had a 2015 MT07, had it for three years, and in that time went through 2 swing arms under warranty for rust, had to replace the water pump coolant pipes due to discolouration and corrosion, and what finally made me sell it was the rust on the third swing arm, headstock, frame and subframe. I take good care of my bikes but this was just something else. They're a budget bike, and some of that budget is achieved by using lower grade materials and very thin paint. Dont get me wrong I love the thing and still miss it, but all the stuff that was needing done to sort it made me fall out of love

[@Brabobiker.]

I own a mt07 2022 and it started rust after 3 months (summer!) . Going to claim a new swingarm one these days

[@Bugside]

The intro with the paper thing had me giggling in the gym

[@robertsarghei9408]

The king is and will always be Yamaha's TDM 850 and TRX 850 parallel twin.

[@jesse68569]

I will sound a bit grumpy here but...I think both of them look bad. The Yamaha is too futuristic, and the Honda looks old already

[@rzaultra165]

what really happened to honda since the last Rc51. why do so many basic designs appear for old Honda motorbikes at other manufacturers and Honda is silent,. even some Honda motorbikes went down in caste, one of them was the hornet, that was very strange.

[@FlashV5]

The Yamaha is way better looking and also god 180 Tyre in the back. sorry, 160 on the back is a deal breaker for me.

[@regislacomme5238]

Thank you for this interesting review, and it makes sense indeed... looking fwd to test ride the new Hornet sometime when it arrives here in South Africa!

[@CaseyJones88]

On the other hand new Transalp is flawed compared to Tenere. And Honda needs proper retro bike with that engine, like Yamahas XSR. I want scrambler/desert sled with that 750. Don't like the looks of these nakeds tbh.

[@Rayhold]

Pretty good analysis in my opinion. But, things considered, MT07 is basically a 10 year old bike that stills holding the position in there, but has been overtaken by the new/fresher Honda CB750. Electronics, new engine, dash, etc. The problem with the CB750, is that literally everyone (and myself), was waiting a 4 cylinder 600 (the true Honda Hornet) and we got that. Carries this feeling of "disappointment" I would say, that makes it not shine as it should. And the aesthetics, I would prefer the MT07 over the CB750, but that would be more a matter of personal taste. Very nice video, again!

[@DavidSmith-hn5gg]

That’s what I thought until I rode one last week, I’m never buying an inline 4 again! The hornets engines way better, sounds better and has instant low down power you don’t get with an inline 4. Honda made the right decision with the engine.

[@Sk0tus]

the music starting around 13:35 has its volume too high and causes audio distortion, headphone users may your ears RIP...

[@dbauernf]

This is a shockingly good review & video. Good job guys!

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@loztagain8278]

Booking a test ride. If I can get on with it I'll buy it, else it's 2nd hand market and a bit more premium... But tbh I'd like a relatively hassle free 90ish hp bike that's good fun, so it likely will get a purchase

[@mikkovirtanen9866]

I want CB750 with DCT

[@sigma9326]

Yesssss … I literally just found out about the Hornet 750 today

[@Mr_Glenn]

The Hornet wins by a longshot. Tires are a great "mod" to do, they're not expensive either.

[@viperq]

Bummer Honda won't sell the CB750 in the U.S.

[@CptSlow89]

I would always buy Hornet 2005 over this...

[@yassim0008]

A lot of reviewers came to the same conclusion but I didn’t believe until you confirmed it. New middle weight king. Wow! Competition is great for the consumer. A lot of good bikes out there.

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

Id say the Aprilia Tuono 660over both of them. To me it’s by far the best bike but I guess a different price range. I think it would have to be considered the King by every metric.

[@yassim0008]

@@daytonasayswhat9333 The Tuono is a great bike as well. If money wasn’t a factor I’d probably agree with you. That being said, 90ish hp, Honda reliability, and finish….the hornet probably has the best bang for the buck🤷🏽‍♂️. Yamaha fan boy here just being honest

[@daytonasayswhat9333]

@@yassim0008 well, the comment was middleweight “king.” That’s more like the middleweight “prince” if it’s based on price, lol. Yeah, I race the R7 professionally

[@CaptainCockerels]

Great review. Now I just wish it would come to the US.

[@jonathandavies6862]

Really liked this comparison review. Fun, light hearted and still entertaining and informative. More please!

[@cjjorge6636]

i have a 2004 hornet and I LOVE IT !!! I"M NOT SOLD HONDA I"LL KEEP MINE FOREVER IF I CAN !!!! INLINE 4 ALL DAY !!!!