Is the Mass Pike Allston project worth the price?

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@nicoresnik2943 7 ай бұрын

“Urban renewal” was one of the most destructive things we did to our country. No cost is too great to un due it’s damage

@krisrandolph4113 7 ай бұрын

this !!!!

@georgepig7362 7 ай бұрын

Destroyed what made the country great

@danmcclaren5436 7 ай бұрын

what?? urban renewal is a good thing what are you talking about

@georgepig7362 7 ай бұрын

@@danmcclaren5436 the millions of homes and inner cities destroyed in the 50s and 60s to accommodate highways and suburbs

@minor1822 7 ай бұрын

how

@clamato54 7 ай бұрын

Anything that caters to more convenience for drivers entering Boston also adds the worst kind of street congestion to Boston.

@chickenwing111 7 ай бұрын

$2,000,000,000 seems like a low number for that scope of work.

@biform13 7 ай бұрын

It'll finish on time and budget like the Boston Tunnel.

@xa3558 6 ай бұрын

that's just to start😂

@hobog 7 ай бұрын

The new housing needs to be multi-family and mixed use. Inner city single-family zoning is insane

@InternetKilledTV21 7 ай бұрын

Insane, insulting, and completely out of touch with building a city to grow.

@pbilk 7 ай бұрын

It looks better than what's there but that highway shouldn't be there. That noise and pollution between the train station and the residental area is pathetic. There should be third spaces around around the train. The intestate highway should be a boulevard, removed or buried.

@beacher7614 7 ай бұрын

this is what I hate about the big dig, it locks in highways for another 50 years.

@jlamm2223443 7 ай бұрын

I lived in a city which did something a lot like this (Richland Washington) and I have to support this. What doing something like this does is to bring something pretty (like a river) and make it part of people's pleasant walks and part of where kids go to play, with soccer fields, etc. Having another mass transit station also helps lower traffic (even though Richland does not have that). My only beef is that they don't do it "big dig" style and straighten the highway under ground. That would really be what is called for.

@Geotpf 7 ай бұрын

Building it under ground would probably turn a $2 billion project into a $4 billion one, if not more.

@maroon9273 Ай бұрын

@@Geotpfwhy can't they build a trench for the highway?

@louiszhang3050 7 ай бұрын

I think the overall project is not bad, but I can't help but feel that keeping a highway cutting off most of the waterfront in 2024 during a major redesign seems so backwards. And that's not even mentioning the ridiculous price tag.

@Distress. 7 ай бұрын

I mean the train tracks are also cutting off river access just as much. I don't like that the new highway will be a ground level, should be elevated.

@mixolydia3309 7 ай бұрын

I really don’t envy the people trying to redesign the interchange. All of the benefits of a smaller road footprint would be great. But in the design the new roads off the highway are nearly all 4-lane, not nice for a residential area. Cambridge Street in lower Allston is also an extremely unfriendly street to navigate as a pedestrian. So it’s setting up for lots of intersections of all 4-6 lane roads. It would take a lot of design to make the new proposed neighborhood NOT feel like a weird island in the middle of big roads.

@microproductions6 7 ай бұрын

Completely agree. I think I90 should be reduced to three-lanes per direction there (which seems more than reasonable given that less people are commuting in to Boston and the commuter rail will be improving a lot in the next decade) and Storrow Drive to one lane per direction.

@nohjunpark7845 4 ай бұрын

In 6-10 years, advanced countries in Asia build new cities not retrofitting 1 acre of land...

@johnpersechini4951 4 ай бұрын

It’s needed. That section of highway is a disaster. The added benefits to Alston are a bonus. Not a fan of Harvard owning all the land but that’s another story.

@robertw.previdi5450 7 ай бұрын

2 billion; really? London has no highways in the city. Invest more in transit.

@maroon9273 Ай бұрын

London three highways ending outside of its downtown area.

@InternetKilledTV21 7 ай бұрын

Hell yeah funneling _even more_ money to roads in 2024!!!1! Nothing screams connected like the noise of a highway and a shower of emissions. Let's light stacks of cash on fire and think about if it was a good idea later. Of course we shouldn't try to build a functioning transit system first to discourage the use of personal vehicles. Why would we do that when we can spend $330 million in other states' money to straighten an existing road? We have the magic money!! We are so smart.

@seantroy3172 7 ай бұрын

I'm curious what happens to that rail line that cuts north across the river at the end of the project... is this CSX or some other freight co line or MBTA? Feels like it could be a good ring connection through Cambridge and Somerville to North station

@Col_Crunch 7 ай бұрын

So people are angry that the area pictured is going to stay essentially the same while another part of the city is improved? NIMBY logic at its finest.

@emi1e 7 ай бұрын

2 billion can build a lot of transit. Tear down the pike.

@patmullen9978 7 ай бұрын

2 billion to straighten a curve while the state has 676 structurally deficient bridges needing billions to repair or replace

@microproductions6 7 ай бұрын

Well, it's straightening a curve in order to free up land. But I do think that the funding mechanism is a little sketchy. The guy from MassDOT said it would pay for itself but didn't explain how.

@counterfit5 7 ай бұрын

Some of those deficient bridges are being replaced in this project

@IE_Tiger 7 ай бұрын

In the end, it will cost twice as much, take twice as long and deliver half what they promise.

@mattbosley3531 7 ай бұрын

Just what I was thinking. How long will it really take and how much will it really cost? And you know that the extra money will come from taxpayers. After all, the Big Dig took about twice as long and cost three times as much as they said it would. And a pleasant river walk right next to a road and an eight lane highway? Not likely.

@sriramdasarathy9089 7 ай бұрын

Definition of over promised and under delivered.

@bernardschmitt6389 7 ай бұрын

That better not be only single family housing!!!

@xa3558 6 ай бұрын

Where is on the new Project !? Soldier Field to Mass Pike - Entrance Ramp ? Cambridge St to Mass Pike - Entrance Ramp ? Mass Pike to Cambridge St - Exit Ramp ?

@joshuaglassman7558 7 ай бұрын

Not a single mention of affordable housing in the new neighborhood they're so excited about.

@atmchicago 7 ай бұрын

Get rid of Storrow Drive & cut down the lanes on the Pike. Urban highways are a mistake and the best option is to stop throwing good money after bad.

@counterfit5 7 ай бұрын

Sorrow is a waste of prime land

@h.nguyen4193 7 ай бұрын

last thing we need is more land to build 8 lane highways. Stupid.

@r.pres.4121 7 ай бұрын

Well Americans continue to be stupid by their preference for automobiles over public transportation.

@counterfit5 7 ай бұрын

This is less land, though

@JesusChrist-qs8sx 7 ай бұрын

Keeping the interstate is a poor move that the city of Boston will end up having to correct eventually - and in the meantime, maintain a highway that's poor at carrying local traffic and massively more expensive to maintain than a boulevard or rail line. The problem isn't the cost, it's what you're getting for what you pay. An expensive to maintain highway that still clogs up at rush hour.

@chickenwing111 7 ай бұрын

Much of that area was eco-friendly tidal wetlands before the highways and railroad, so maybe it should be returned to that state.

@biform13 7 ай бұрын

Ducks don't pay taxes.

@TommyTom21 7 ай бұрын

@@biform13I think we should try to charge them at least

@microproductions6 7 ай бұрын

Storrow drive definitely needs to become a two-lane boulevard, and I90 should only be three lanes in each direction there as well. And if you really want people to enjoy the new waterfront space you're going to have put a noise wall in place because while that area next to the river is nice, it is loud as hell. I've only been on it next to Storrow Drive in Back Bay and that was loud enough; I can't imagine what it's like next to Storrow AND I90. At a time when less people are commuting into Boston for work, it does not make sense to have the same amount of automotive infrastructure that we used to have. Of course there's also the previously mentioned environmental impacts on the river itself. Overall this seems like a very sub-par project for a city that wants to be considered "world-class".

@Hahlen 7 ай бұрын

Immediately, any new highway is already not worth it

@onorebakasama 7 ай бұрын

Regardless of where the money is coming from, that price tag is ridiculous.

@joepoirier6342 7 ай бұрын

Having a more direct connection between the Mass Pike & Soldiers Field Road/Storrow Drive would be worth it, but it is worse. You will have to go through multiple city streets instead.

@maroon9273 7 ай бұрын

Sucks there not going to use fly over or tunnel ramps to connect both roads.

@tomgeraci9886 7 ай бұрын

They need to have a more direct connection. Storrow is the main way for people on I-90 to get to Fenway, Longwood, parts of the Back Bay, and Beacon Hill. And making ramps to Storrow, which is basically right next to the pike, doesn’t seem terribly hard (if price consuming)

@paulreed7698 7 ай бұрын

Traffic in Boston is going to be worst than LA and NYC

@biform13 7 ай бұрын

Boston is a 15 minute city happily signed up to be a "C40 City". Cars will be prohibitively expensive.

@travelsofmunch1476 7 ай бұрын

Great project, but should absolutely be 3 lanes each direction, not four lanes. The Big Dig tunnels are only 3 lanes, I-90 West of Newton Center is only 3 lanes. Only this little stretch is four lanes, and it should certainly be only 3 lanes to avoid the merging bottlenecks and save hundreds of acres that can be used for park space, development or transit.

@tormentorox1 3 ай бұрын

This so dumb. The amount of money being used to straighten a highway could be spent getting mag-lev high speed trains connecting Boston to Springfield. The money from the millionaires tax shouldn’t be going to highways it needs to go to public transportation, and crumbling infrastructure.

@katrinagarrett9612 2 ай бұрын

Yes.

@maroon9273 Ай бұрын

Pipe dream, a seeprate electrification and high speed rail lines will only be a feasible option.

@bradfordjhart 7 ай бұрын

texas could build this in 6 months for 1/6 the price

@jlamm2223443 7 ай бұрын

yeah but who says Houston is prettier than Boston? Unconstrained growth isn't always pretty compared to Boston's beautiful look.

@RyouShi98 7 ай бұрын

Okay? Houston is like 50% parking lot

@maroon9273 7 ай бұрын

@@RyouShi98plus, a lot of nimbys.

@r.pres.4121 7 ай бұрын

Yeah Texas can just slap this up any old way and the damned thing would be falling apart in five or six years.

@microproductions6 7 ай бұрын

Yeah because it would be in a place with relatively low land-value compared to Boston.

@arpitjain2591 3 ай бұрын

Can't wait!

@biform13 7 ай бұрын

Any project to stop paying off the bond holders and getting rid of the tolls.

@r.pres.4121 7 ай бұрын

That sounds exactly like both New York and Pennsylvania two of the most corrupt states in the country.

@Dave-nz5jf 7 ай бұрын

Gulliver looks almost happy that Harvard is going to do so well by this

@vb4567 5 ай бұрын

another opportunity for cost overruns and endless federal grants, whoupee.

@champan250 7 ай бұрын

Definitely worth it for Hahvahd

@jesusmontes9663 3 ай бұрын

If they’re going through all that work I wish they could stick it in the ground, otherwise you’re just lowering it from floating to ON the ground…ugh hate this so much! 😫😫😫

@Brian_rock_railfan 7 ай бұрын

wrong thing to do !

@robmigneault6861 Ай бұрын

Of course he said it is worth it how much money is his buddy the contractor company giving him

@julianpowers594 4 ай бұрын

Don’t be fooled by the pretty renderings. The expanded highway will be a deafening eyesore.

@PMaynard-22 7 ай бұрын

Fed magic money

@trevorthefoamer220 7 ай бұрын

Did boston not learn anything from the big dig? Clearly not.

@moneyindabank 7 ай бұрын

Waste of taxpayer money.

@charlesbarkely3021 7 ай бұрын

@spore124 7 ай бұрын

While it's nice to see that eternal dirt pile and i90 rats nest get used for housing, I hope the graphic showing 200 single family homes isn't the actual plan. What a waste of such a huge amount of new land in Boston. Of course not a huge fan of adding even more lanes adjacent to the Charles. Storrow already shouldn't exist.