Is The Nelson Replacement Any Good?

[@DarthCody700]

I cannot believe they added this instead of the Rodney, the more famous sister ship of the Nelson.

[@Moon_Cricket_Stinks]

Same thing with Johnston. They have other fletcher that don't have any notoriety comparatively.

[@Frigidblood]

Yeah, give her a normal or USA/Thunderer heal and the new British torps, maybe improve the AA or secondaries, and I think people would definitely buy that.

[@Tundraviper41]

If some history is to be believed, some reported that Rodney fired and landed a hit with its torpedo armament. If this is true Rodney would be the only battleship in history to successfully torpedo another battleship.

[@EvoraGT430]

@@Tundraviper41 It's a fact, not something 'to be believed'. Makes all these BBs with torps an utter nonsense (especially since Nelson doesn't have them!).

[@zephyros256]

Collinwood also isn't a nelson class/ O3 design, instead she is a heavily butchered F2 design (such as making the guns 419 mm instead of 381 mm, and lowering her speed from 29 knots to 25)

[@christianhill45]

Got Collingwood as the first drop. She's utter shit. Guns are very inaccurate, feel like they lack pen, and are just too few. And on top of that, you get blasted out your ass by overmatch and don't have a superheal to deal with it. I would gladly swap the reload booster for at least 32mm side plating.

[@stephen1r2]

It may have the short fuse AP; this would bias towards hitting cruisers.

[@angryviper1]

One year later and this still applies. This ship fucking blows

[@Alex-hy9cw]

best pen at tier 7 so don't blame it on a pen issue

[@christianhill45]

@@Alex-hy9cw it definitely isn't the pen since it has short fuse. That means it's not gonna get the big damage like others with lower pen with longer fuse.

[@columnedfox5508]

yep collingwood is terrible, it should never have been added but we know what WG is like they'll add even more shitty ships to the game until we get pissed off with them..

[@snowglyder]

I'm glad I got the Nelson while it was still available for FreeXP. It's fun to sit in a kiting position and tank a bit more damage with the added armor on the stern. I don't feel the need to get the Collingwood, but nice game!

[@TheZerech]

I missed out on Alaska and Nelson, just had take a break from WoWS for a while, and I definitely wish I had those two. Doubt Congress and Collingwood will be appropriate replacements.

[@rileychu4489]

@@TheZerech nelsons AP is better for killing bb and bc, with low tier cruisers you just overpen. if a dd catches you out in a nelson alone you die, torps/floods just tear through your super heal. collingwood seems like an anti cruiser/dd platform, short fuse AP and also you dont need to angle as much + hydro makes torps less of a problem and you can charge smoke

[@wisdomleader85]

Thankfully I got my Nelson right before it was taken away. It's an amazing ship.

[@Swarm509]

@@TheZerech I also took a break from WoWS and came back just in time to get the Nelson before I stopped playing again (like 6 hours later, wasn't feeling the game). Super glad I got it though when I came back again (another year or so later) running it in ranked. She has carried me through to Silver, or just for all the Steel wins, many times.

[@davidxiedeng9161]

I went against it in a Minsk before I knew about it's reload and consumables. I didn't really play the best during that match with juking and smokes, and the big British HE hurt, especially with the reload he had. Was pretty hard to know what to do when I could only get some salvoes in before his shots would come in sooner than expected.

[@rexstuff4655]

Worth noting that the Collingwood has *significantly* better AP penetration than the Nelson, especially at long ranges. Certainly not enough to make up for all the short comings. I think they needed to lean into its glass cannon aspect a bit more, give it battlecruiser dispersion, or something like that.

[@xXAmaroqXx]

I got lucky and had it in my first box. Im a 56% Winrate player who mains Battleships and cruisers and I have to say this ship is interesting, but challenging to play right, and sort of situational. Notable is the difference in shell velocity and mediocre dispersion at range, which makes this ship a better HE sniper at long range (faster HE shells and a 47% fire chance base per bullet almost guarantees a fire with each salvo) while at closer range, the improved AP (compared to the nelson) may not give you additional overmatch, but boy does it punch through armor regardless, giving me more citadel hits than Nelson does. The reload booster is good enough to provide 3 salvos where normally only two are possible, which can be extremely helpful when trying to finish off a low HP target, catching someone broadside, or when someone just waited for you to shoot before they engage, thus allowing you to catch them off-guard. Also noteworthy is the improved maneuverability over Nelson, which allows you to get into position more quickly. Call me crazy, but I personally have good success with this ship as a medium to close range ship. I wouldnt recommend brawling a german battleship, but the hydro, fast fire rate and immense penetration for your tier allows you to punch most ships back into the port while you definately suffer damage, but played well, you win the trade and can hopefully obliterate your opponent before you wait for your Reload booster to come off cooldown. You definately need island cover though, because this ship really hates HE and long range battleship cannons. Its definately a ship i dont expect to survive most games in, as it IS squishy as hell and gets focus fired a lot, but until then, you can definately cause trouble to BBs, cruisers and DDs, which cant be said for many battleships in the game. Use cover! I cant stress that enough. Your citadel extends into the bow and rear section. A last thing that is noteworthy is the 360° middle turret, as this makes kiting and running away a little less painful and it has pretty decent rear firing angles. It isnt much, but at least you can fight back when retreating and makes the gameplay more smooth. So, overall, i think this ship is very situational, but when it works, it works well and is fun. I like it over the Nelson, which I personally find boring to play. I dont think it is stronger than Nelson though. But definately a sidegrade with a bigger amplitude of game impact, depending heavily on the Map and your opponents.

[@siriusczech]

Thanks for writing it down. I am few dubloons away from having 1000 and I have it as a first package, too, so maybe I will go for it in the end.

[@aristosachaion_]

Nelson's armour is already hot piss when uptiered, and boy am I lucky I got that with free xp because I see no reason to get this thing. Glass cannon types, which I believe is what the Collingwood is, don't really work in this game because of RNG, and they end up being more glass than cannon.

[@Superuser009]

The thing is, it doesn't seem very good at you know, the cannon part...

[@aristosachaion_]

Hence the last part of my comment. A glass cannon ship can only work in this game if the guns have 2.0 sigma and battlecruiser dispersion to compensate for the paper armour, but of course that can't happen because then it wouldn't be fun to play against.

[@XHitsugaX]

​@@aristosachaion_ huyga has battle cruiser dispersion no? Flrodia too

[@mike393000]

So it's what Borodino is to the Lenin. Glass cannon that doesn't shoot all that good.

[@jacobpalmieri9688]

I like the ship but I’m probably a little biased because I did 234k in my first game. Which is higher damage than most of my best t8 and 9 bbs

[@ayayaybamba3445]

I can't believe they added another Nelson type BB and didn't give her torps especially since the flavor of the line is BBs with torps.

[@jaywerner8415]

given they are adding British BCs with "semi guided torpedos" it would NICE if they added that mechanic to appropriate ships. Just would be a nice buff or change to spice things up.

[@ayayaybamba3445]

@@jaywerner8415 absolutely. My Mikasa would love to have it's torpedoes.

[@andrewrodrigo7938]

You know what WG could have done? HMS Rodney at Tier 8 32mm bow and stern Same superheal as the Nelson Same gun specks as the Nelson And add the TORPEDOES!!!! (this fits the early access event as well :P) Do this and I'm sure it will sell like Hot cakes!

[@andrewrodrigo7938]

@Gareth Fairclough oh yeah😀 When the captain ran the engines at max and got her to around 25 ot 26 knots if I'm not mistaken

[@HybridRenoII]

They should just add Rodney, I like collecting REAL Ships & Rodney actually put some holes in Bismarck's deck

[@vtr0104]

I think they really missed a huge opportunity here by not adding it. They could have used the underwater torpedo gimmick for her (making her another one of the few historically accurate ships in-game), keep the Nelson's armor scheme and just give it a regular heal to balance it out. Instead, they came up with this tub.....

[@atpyro7920]

It's a Nelson that traded guns, armor, and the heal gimmick for some stat tweaks and other, possibly less useful gimmicks. The reload booster is the most powerful consumable in the game but it's not a one-size-fits-all deal. I'd say Nelson is still the better ship simply due to being able to survive longer by virtue of the heal and a surprisingly troll armor belt when you're kiting (key word: kiting). I didn't get it in the first bundle, and I'm not going to whale for it anyways, so if I get it in the five bundles I plan on buying, cool, I'll edit this comment with my first hand thoughts, otherwise oh well, I'll get it out of a crate come Christmas and probably ignore it. Edit: I wouldn't be surprised if Collingwood is only in the bundles for now, since they did the same thing with Toulon, and that's not in the premium shop or armory (yet)/

[@thegamergod4217]

bro i struggled with battleships... this is the only battleship i got that gave me a good experience and change my perspective on battleships in total

[@Chuckworth_F7]

Bought 5 crates, and got it. Ive played a few games in it, and I do enjoy it. Guns can be inconsistent for sure, but you can really punish people that dont realize you have a reload booster

[@lightbluewaves5526]

What they could have done is instead of her, adding the sistership HMS Rodney. Like compared to Nelson she could have had underwater torpedoes like the British BC (Rodney and Nelson had them), but in exhange she won't get the superheal and the HE will be slightly weaker

[@judd1971]

Any chance you could take a look at the Weimar. I just wish they would add another 1.5 too the range. It could be a great Tier 8 boat.

[@motaz1975]

already have a nelson, and got the collingwood first try for 1,000 dubs. i happen to think she is fantastic.

[@artic6015]

Thanks for the great review. I will be passing on the Collingwood ship and the Hampshire as well. I like the Gneisenau and Georgia with six guns. I also have the Nelson and she is a fun ship/

[@word2228]

How do you get that big square and arrows when dropping depth charges? Mine is just a dot .

[@picazzo5150]

The is the one ship everyone will get out of this years Santa gift drops

[@zlpatriot11]

Nelson is so goofy. She's slow but the HE is insane. Glad I got Nelson when I did and Collingwood is not worth getting at all.

[@joecarlson6428]

I have the Rooke. It is okay for coop. It's citadel isn't much above the water line like the rest of the line.

[@maudrysilvain5905]

can you just excuse me, I'll have to go cry over the fact that they introduced underwater torps that can curve, except y'a know, for the ship that actually used. Yes, I'm talking of Nelsol, or more precisely her sister, Rodnol who used her to keep farming her Witherer achievement on a lonely Bismarck Still, as someone who think that the Nelson already has a high skill floor of knowing what's the precise angle to engage the enemy and when to push and reverse, that worst Nelson definitely not for me

[@jaywerner8415]

Maybe they will add them to Nelson? Realistically they probably WONT but it would nice if they DID.

[@maudrysilvain5905]

@@jaywerner8415 honestly when you see how shady they covered it (there's quite a few ships where they covered the torps, like Kikjudin for example) couldn't be impossible, but I've never seen buff to removed ships, only nerfs, especially buffs with shiny new mechanics

[@franz265]

Looks like its a good t7 bb since there is no lenin ship on t7 and the hydro in combination with the reload booster are really helpful.

[@huskytino]

Sinop is absolutely cracked at t7 if you ask me.

[@rogerbogh3884]

I got this is a Christmas Crate last year. Played a few games in it and did ok. I decided to take her out to knock off a 9th Anniversary token - and, yowser this thing is a pig. The game set up for me with three same or lower tier cruisers spending most of the game broadside to me - including a Budyonny captained by some Noob who nosed into the border leaving 75% of his ship broadside to me for most of my game lifetime. An absolute wet dream for a battleship. The guns just could not connect. They barfed all over the Budy - bracketing her or hitting superstructure. Same, same for the Lazo and the Leipzig. In the meantime I was getting lit on fire by anything with a chance of hitting me. Luckily this ship is such a pig that she wallowed around barely stuck on an island leaving my vulnerable flank covered - giving me 5 minutes to shoot at the Noob in the Budy. This thing - like all other British ships - has no reverse and it will not perform any helm maneuvers at low speed. She just wallows around; This was likely just 'one of those games', but the few earlier games in her were just so so. I do like forward facing guns. She will make a great reef for scuba tourism.

[@fiokak1506]

It's nice i got the Nelson for free xp a lonng time ago, the HE is insane. You can basically hunt dd's with HE that good. It is kinda vurnerable, but the heal more then makes up for that. It's very nice for pushing in or sitting in mid range farming everything in range. Altough i think Nelson is better, the Collingwood looks interesting.

[@joedoe6444]

i already have a Nelson that only gets played twice a year, i don't need to pay dubs for any port queen. if it comes out for coal i may get it after about 12 other ships first.

[@pegasusted2504]

Interesting. I am curious as to how I get the Edgar though. Seen it in the tech tree but can't figure how to get it.

[@aluminumati_147]

It's still in testing, but you'll probably be able to buy it with credits like the rest of T11

[@tristanjones7217]

Would you recommend furious skill for British battleships?

[@EvoraGT430]

It can work on super-heal BBs, yes.

[@erik260196]

Can you take the Nelson out for a spin to compare them?

[@postron5649]

Hey I made it into a KZbin vid. GG can confirm these guns hurt... 😅

[@fuglbird]

What is a personal hydro?

[@JohnSmith-cb6qx]

Thought you left the CC program...

[@diamondrmp]

How do you activate the reload booster?

[@olivergoodridgeify]

i got it early on, its a nelson with bigger guns and all the draw backs of a nelson good and bad at the same time

[@Superuser009]

It seems like Nelson is better at doing traditional BB things. I'm not sure why this ship exists, beyond making WG some money. Usually 6 gun BB's get better sigma/BC dispersion, fast reload...something to offset the loss of DPM/alpha. But a reload booster? Questionable...add the utter trash armor scheme and I'll take Nelson all day, every day, twice on Sunday as the saying goes.

[@siriusczech]

Nelson is slow af and its dispersion is a trollfest. You can shoot all day and not hit anything and some of those salvos aimed at you are exceptional examples of that (like the 1 turret shots from 8:05 where shell land front, left AND right and misses perfectly). This is brutal and stupid from the game. And kiting Nelson has to present a significant amount of broadside to shoot all those guns, Collingwood doesn´t seem to have that problem. With a slightly higher speed and hydro to prevent too many hits this can be useful sidegrade to Nelson. About that Gorizia vs. Mexico - Gorizia was 14k hp cruiser shooting SAP, NM was 36k hp BB. Cruiser was definitely the better target, especially due to occasional broadside presented (shooting all guns at you). The thing that killed NM was your submarine who took massive hp from him and of course in t6-8 match playing with Enterprise on your team against Parseval helps a ton

[@stanleyhenry2687]

So is the Collingwood going to be 500 free XP Like the Nelson was .

[@hatoffnickel]

How do you get the angle indicator in the bottom left?

[@aluminumati_147]

Modstation

[@hatoffnickel]

@@aluminumati_147 thank you, but do you know the name of the mod?

[@aluminumati_147]

@@hatoffnickel No, and I just checked for it, and it and others don't seem to be there any more. Sorry!

[@sameh59younis15]

I mean this ship seems interesting but I would still consider the Nelson to be the better ship due to more armour and the superheal

[@enricoperini6479]

Got it and I love it. Yeah, armor sucks, but... it's really fun at tier VII.

[@hughejass9461]

I have the Nelson so good enough. Love T7 matches but would hate to see this thing in T9 matches

[@gothia6515]

Business model behind this: Remove great Freemiums. Add shit Premiums which are similiar. People who dont own the good ones buy the replacements out of the desire to get something like a Nelson or Alaska. Then when they re disappointed, they ll cash in again on Black Friday etc. Double profit.

[@Brand_212]

tbh, your in-game music is kinda distracting against your voiceover. I think its a bit too loud for me. Other than that! Great Insight on the ship as always! keep it up!

[@Midway_CV-41]

I have it.. it's alright. fun to play.. bit slow though... more fun than colorado i would argue. would also argue isn't much fun when you have nothing to shoot at... as in the flank you go has no targets.

[@cerneysmallengines]

Its a t6 hull with t8 guns, that almost NEVER works out, even in reverse. Look at the Florida, t7.5 hull with t6.5 guns.

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

I got the Nelson for FXP and I think it was a total waste of resources. I am certainly not going to get this one.

[@hillbillysimmer7120]

It's not a great ship, but it is a different experience. I won mine in a Twitch stream giveaway, so I'm not out anything.

[@charleslynch340]

Yeah, seems like a worse Nelson imo, the crap armour was made up for by the super heal, the bigger guns have no benefit other than reducing the amount of shells in the air

[@beyond560]

I got it in my first random bundle lol

[@Starfleet8555]

It can be overmatched 11inch guns in bow.

[@Zxczxc-k1o]

Statistic very good!))

[@gianmarcodacol1820]

I prefer her to many bbs in ranked. She's quite good

[@ianadam2303]

I love my collingwood

[@squirrel_82]

Sooooo the Nelson sounds better. I have the Nelson so no need for the Collingwood.

[@Black-Rat]

She's definitely not the best I was hoping, and I already have the Nelson for a few years, way bigger guns but they hardly ever hit the target, so, How good are big guns when they can't hit their targets ?? Disappointed to say the least, even with a 19 skill it's doing poorly, I got mine from a random Santa Big Gift Container that I never even bought, no money involved.... At first, I thought I was pretty lucky to get a new ship, but boy was I disappointed, if you don't have this ship and think about buying her, don't buy her, even with a 19 skill it's not making any difference...

[@johnb4689]

yeah, KGV is still the best T7 UK BB. Nelson is horrible, and Nelson with only 6 guns sounds horrible.

[@cyberchaplain]

If you think Nelson is horrible you're playing it wrong. Is she OP? No, but she's far from horrible.

[@rccola5167]

The days of buying the latest premium ship are over for me. With wows nickle and diming us to death I'm done with all that. It's an economic fight to keep as much of my money as I can and still play. It now seems more like a job than fun. That can't last much longer.

[@howardbursee307]

This one's coming to Legends (6). Yay? Doubtful. Nay? More likely! We'll see how they nerf it.

[@travisxander]

"bathtub" :D :D :D :D

[@Nurg1982]

Less armor than the Nessie? Hard pass for me

[@bobbygeorge3698]

yep.. all totally true.. 👍

[@joshuayang0331]

got it in santa containers, it's it's shit rather buy the duke of york for coal

[@jaywerner8415]

Still feels like Bullshit that what is effectively ACTIVE SONAR cant find a sub till hes RIGHT NEXT TO YOU. world of warships if far from realistic, so for god sake why cant it detect subs at max range?! Hell they already made radar useless vs subs since you can't radar their Periscopes anymore. But no Subs have to 100% invisible torpedo spam. Because what is counterplay?

[@squirrel_82]

Subs are absolutely broken. There is almost no defense against them. Hydro is a joke against subs and depth charges barely do any damage. Once a sub targets you you are screwed.

[@RADukura]

I don’t play subs but I 1 shotted a sub with depth charges in Ohio when it harassed me and 2 other battleships. Best advice I can offer is to have good prediction of where it will move and from which position it will launch torps at you.

[@Frigidblood]

As clearly evidenced in the video. A sub targeted him and PQ was dead meat.

[@sardaukerlegion]

No superheal.

[@nickarooroo6397]

It's okay I guess. Where's the fucking Rodney though? You know. A real ship that fought the German navy?

[@motaz1975]

Nelson is better at angles ass tanking.

[@belldandy2917874]

Good game ~ But ... bad ship ... his GUN **** horhorrible

[@bigsmoke2759]

hello

[@erichderriesenkonig6344]

Hi

[@howlers8]

Nope. I'll take the nelson all day.

[@kevink6265]

Seems like hot garbage.

[@danielhaddock5635]

It sucked

[@rosalina2938]

Looks ugly.