Is The Odin Project Still Worth It To Land A Job In 2024 ?

[@loumat1]

Always nice to see you pop up on my feed! Continue the great work Vlad😁

[@vladaramacodes]

Thanks bro, I appreciate the support

[@muchimi]

I'm 67 stuck in a low-paying job because my self-employed business has hit the skids and I had applied myself in it having earned a Cisco certification and two AWS certifications and I cannot get into the field, but my daughter is encouraging me to get into web dev and so I'm looking at JavaScript and HTML and CSS and I just ran across this video and I had tried previously several years ago to learn Ruby on Wells self-taught, but listening to your video looks like I'm. I'm going to reapply myself through the Odin project with the Ruby on rails for the next 90 days. Thank you for the input

[@gabby-du8ns]

How is it going ??

[@muchimi]

@@gabby-du8ns concentrating on the study of HTML CSS . I asked Chathpt for an outline timeline ..it spit out a curriculum lasts 7? Months. Thank you so much for reaching out. Also, I've been looking out designs and how to compartmentalize with the div. Doug, so that the layout is more readable. So it's a little bit of a journey and I understand that JavaScript actually may take me a year or so to get a good hold of hopefully sooner enough to get a job but or start freelancing but to really Master take several years

[@isolatedd]

Yooo dude i'll be following You, You can do this i trust your dedication

[@muchimi]

@@isolatedd thank you very much. This really reinvigorates me. Thank you for saying that

[@CarlosTorres6-6]

I also need an update about how is it going

[@lostinthenarrativve]

Brodie they've now revamped the backend part ( Replaced mongodb with postgresql with Prisma entirely & apparently added more comprehensive backend lessons ) I'd say now it can be good enough to land a role.

[@Hsdias]

I was already thinking about starting the ruby path, this made me sure

[@Xnight-X]

man, the video is great, getting straight to the point and giving the information new webdevs needed(me included), it was a huge help. Thanks!

[@dudeco93]

after completing the ruby path wouldnt it just make sense to go knockout the nodejs expressjs stuff to learn that as well and diversify yourself even further?

[@ServerGhost-d8p]

i was thinking the same

[@combatninjaturtle]

Nah! I would go deep down in Ruby on Rails

[@vladaramacodes]

Yeah honestly, that’s probably the best thing to do for your learning, but if your goal is to land a job as fast as possible, I would focus on one path and then move to interview preparation. Once you do land the job, I recommend revisiting the other path to get a broader perspective of web development.

[@pgiarratano]

Thanks for the excellent points! I'm just starting Odin and I'll really look into the Ruby path. Much appreciated.

[@selflearner-ai-era]

I am a self learner and I am learning java because I also want to master data structures and algorithms and most use java as a language and also it widen my perception about web development. And my Odin path is JS.

[@GoogleUser-uv9bo]

Did u touch comparators & comparable interfaces 😃!

[@selflearner-ai-era]

@@GoogleUser-uv9bo yes

[@RonaldBradycptgmpy]

So, I started in Web development in 1996 or 1997 when I was 13 years old. That’s when I took my first client on. I started when JavaScript was fundamentally still a toy used for interactivity on the front end. And I left Web development in 2012, but I’ve kept up with trends in terms of what’s happening in the industry… And this advice is pretty solid, but if you’re a developer that’s interested in creating web applications, maybe it’s worth looking into web assembly. It’s not super widely used, but it’s really capable, and if you’re trying to freelance or you have a side project and you don’t want to pile on yet another set of languages, that might be a good option for reducing cognitive load.

[@josephryan8899]

I thought I was hands down going javascript node path but you have a very good point that honestly I have been considering. I am still in Foundations but I kept noticing the SQL part in the ruby track and it is honestly very tempting. Thanks for the thoughts I appreciate it.

[@brandongreen5790]

Exactly this. 100% javascript but the Ruby Rails path has JavaScript and SQL and after seeing this video, it makes sense to go Ruby... I'm on Foundations Etch-a-Sketch so I have a little time to decide.

[@SpeaksYourWord]

@@brandongreen5790 Please tell me where did you go? I'm about to start javascript in foundations.

[@notnotducminh]

@@brandongreen5790 they've just changed the JS path, are you considering switching to it?

[@boomkablamo]

SQL is pretty important but I'm not sure about Ruby. Yes, there are less Ruby developers, but there are also less Ruby jobs. The means less overall competition but I think specializing in Ruby in a real gamble. I think it's a bit odd that The Odin Project hasn't changed this path to Python or Java.

[@Joe-g7p]

@@boomkablamo Ruby is still pretty important. You still have major companies that use it for their backend, like he mentioned, Github uses it, and even Hulu and Netflix use it as well. If a FAANG company is using it, it still has relevance. The job market may not be as in high demand as Javascript, but being able to show that you know multiple languages is extremely important, and stands out. It also allows gives you some of the growth you need to push out of you comfort level and to pick up other coding languages like Python or Java in the future. The likelihood of Ruby disappearing or becoming a gamble to learn is still pretty slim. You can build an entire Rails backend in about 30 minutes, which is amazing for needing even simple things like just a barebone backend for you to use to showcase your talents with frontend.

[@AnthonyNuñez-v1d]

well, here is the thing: for every 10 job opportunities , seven of them required javascript, probably one or two for java and the last one for ruby, and I feel more accurate to say c# before ruby. Javascript is more helpful for beginners than any other language. one you learn one programing language, you can easily switch into another one. The thing is understand one first, then you can build your path.

[@drutheslayer6011]

Keep up the good work Vladz! ✊🏻

[@vladaramacodes]

Thanks bro !

[@TwoClips]

i was just watching your old video about odin you made new one good to see you brother

[@vladaramacodes]

Thanks bro

[@huxi-q7o]

@@vladaramacodes brother what if i want to be a freelancer than is javascript good

[@keith6293]

Yes! That's the smartest take I've seen on KZbin so far. Suscribed~ Only thing missing is "What if you didn't have to take a job" but I bet you keeping that for another video lol. 😅

[@brycesasser6204]

I'm new to all of this, including computers in general. Like I'm currently taking typing courses along with The Odin Project. I just bought a mac after watching Dorian Develops, and started pursuing it. I want to travel while making a living wage and get out of the shift job, rat race, bullshit. I also finally feel like I'm testing my intelligence and exercising my brain after years of dead-end jobs and smoking weed. This journey couldn't get harder lol *knock on wood*. But i have a strong feeling that when i finish The Odin Project, it wont be for nothing. I didn't really expect to land a job as soon as I finished it, I just want to complete it then learn more useful languages. A.I isn't perfect and never will be. Web-Development will be around for a very long time. Coders will always be needed.

[@CyberDiary2]

they are importing 700k indians a year

[@fightinginsight]

why did I know within a first few seconds of the vid that half of vid will be convincing us to learn ruby :D

[@selflearner-ai-era]

I am a self learner and I am learning java because I also want to master data structures and algorithms and most use java as a language and also it widen my perception about web development.

[@hellokevin_133]

Kinda dumb question my guy but if you were to pick one course between FSO and TOP for web development, which one would you go for?

[@vladaramacodes]

Not a dumb question at all, I would say TOP for beginners and FSO if you are more familiar with web development.

[@БекболКадырбеков-л5ц]

Could you explain what is SFO?

[@hellokevin_133]

@@БекболКадырбеков-л5ц FSO brother, fullstackopen which is a webdev course by university of helsinki.

[@ahmedthegreat3973]

​@@БекболКадырбеков-л5цFull Stack Open I think

[@ebrahemalaa14]

@@БекболКадырбеков-л5ц FULL STACK OPEN

[@Emils-i9g]

What direction to head if I am more interested in AI and game dev as you mentioned in the video ?

[@michaelcuebas230]

If you are interested in AI, variations of C are great, particularly C++. If you are interested in game development, download a game engine like Unity, Unreal Engine, or another that you come across, and watch tutorials and learn how to use them. Unity uses C# and Unreal uses C++

[@michaelcuebas230]

Also, for design aspects in game development like character creation and effects, it would be very beneficial to learn Blender.

[@vladaramacodes]

Michael answered it perfectly ⬆️

[@ipodtouch470]

If your doing AI then a masters degree it seems

[@astroviik]

Huh, I'm glad I watched this video! I originally wanted to do the Ruby path, but then considered the JS path because it seemed more widely used. You make a great case for sticking with Ruby! 🔻Thanks Vlad.

[@jaritothe3rd172]

Any suggestions for project based resources, but for Java, C#, and C++? I know I can just look it up on Reddit or google even KZbin video reviews, but for your personal experience what is the best project based resources for the languages I mentioned?

[@isolatedd]

C++ some kind of Game, personally fps cuz its hard af

[@sumayyahadetunmbi4347]

Thanks for this insights

[@OhReseT]

I plan on doing The Odin Project, but also doing some work of my own and maybe even some course on Udemy. I feel like TOP is a good place to start, but then you can branch off into React/Angular etc.

[@HHJoshHH]

I’m 30k lines deep in my TS/Next14 project. You have to know some JS to understand why TS. Gotta know some CSS to understand tailwind. Need to understand HTML but forget about using it cause your components are pre fabricated already through shadCN and Next. Then you need to learn TypeScript and understand Types (primitive types: string, number, boolean). Then you need to pickup Tailwind. Gonna want to understand JSX wrappers too. Have trouble with shadCN? Gonna need to understand RadixUI. Or headless UI. 🤣 Then understand why: Save time. Be safe. Minimize attack vectors. Error handling. Debugging. API Routing. Progressive Web App-ing. Separation of concerns. 😂 Yep. Easy day. Been at it for 5 months. Originally coded Python/Django but meh. 🫤 The experience I preferred was TS/Next/Node. Npm babay! Lmao if I knew now what I didn’t know then I wouldn’t know what I know now. But I wouldn’t be as happy either. I love my stack and what I make with it. That’s the most important. This is my experience and I’m still learning. Take it for what you will. 😊

[@aephemerial-tv]

Salut Vlad, I've tried learning frond end dev for a while now, but always struggle with JavaScript. Is there any advice that you can give me? Should I enroll in a physical bootcamp or try a different approach? Thanks!

[@Vyrkhan]

is not that hard once u start doing algos all day, if you are struggling with basic structures then try to build stuff more often, seriously is mostly 80% google at the beginning and 20% actual work. Once you are comfortable building whatever comes to your mind with JS, then move to algos for the next 6 or even a full year of leetcode or anything similar. Takes at least 2 solid years of constant pain to get into a senior role imo

[@mathieuallaire8955]

Amazing content as always 🔥

[@vladaramacodes]

Thanks Mathieu, I am glad you like it

[@PerpetualPreponderer]

Do you know if there are significant opportunities in the freelance and/or contracting scene for Ruby?

[@alexandruteodor3585]

It would have been so nice if they had had a Python path too.

[@vladaramacodes]

Yeah it would, but its hard to put out so much content when they are a free curriculum, because all the people that work on it are volunteers

[@SpeaksYourWord]

Go for chuck severance's python for everybody and then django for everybody. It's has the same quality as TOP.

[@natMcil]

Interesting!

[@gbbarn]

I always feel like Im gonna end up doing youtube videos xD

[@mozateiwilliams8554]

I’m doing Rubi for sure

[@davidpainzug5810]

2:53 why comparing c# with an entire field of web development

[@KatarinaClaes-q1p]

what about both javascript and ruby?

[@elliotcheung8799]

Ruby path includes html css javascript even React.js except Node.js

[@MisharyAuto]

How about going the path of mobile app development ? what is your recommendation ?

[@vladaramacodes]

Not too familiar with mobile dev, so can’t comment much on it. If you already have experience with web dev, you should take a look into React Native as the transition will be smoother. If not you can go straight to Kotlin or Swift for native development

[@Anatol_SG]

Bravo Vlăduț 😊 Dăm bătaie cu Ruby

[@hellokevin_133]

Hey brother, Do you think the material in the odin project is enough solely to launch a freelance career or land an entry job as a web developer or fullstackopen is also required?

[@vladaramacodes]

Hey bro, it’s hard to say, but I would strongly recommend doing full stack open, it fills the gaps that Odin doesn’t cover, like TypeScript, GraphQL, CI/CD and so on. You could also get very far just doing Odin, so do that, start applying and go from there.

[@Vyrkhan]

It was enough for me and some friends who started with me back in 2020 (US jobs), but ofc it wasn't as competitive as today. At least you can learn the skills to do freelancing or build apps that could generate an income if you are into indie projects. If you are not american, canadian, indian or european then is possible you can land a job without much effort in any other country, in latam for example is not that competitive and having a portfolio like the one you built by finishing the odin project is more than enough.

[@TuberTugger]

gd... who says, "In short" then doesn't answer. That's not what "in short" means. Waste my time...