Is The Odin Project Worth it?! (Review)

[@ftb282]

I'm currently studying a diploma for web dev, and TOP is filling all of the gaps in my knowledge. Ive recommended it to tons if my peers. The content is so comprehensive and really makes me feel confident about what I'm learning, and it doesn't hold your hand either which has helped with learning to problem solve

[@solverstrong]

where's it?

[@AbderrahmanFodili]

I'm 90% in the foundation course. I started in December 2021 then started doing CS 50 after that i joined a Laravel bootcamp for six months and got into a Google UX UI design course. Now I'm scattered with little progress in three different courses and some useless knowledge of php and Laravel. I wish you would make a video about it and how new learners should stick to one source and finish it without being distracted by the other shiny sources. Thanks for the great content

[@fullstackmd]

Appreciate that! I actually made a video that covers this! I saw that you commented on it too so hopefully it was helpful. And don’t worry - I’m still in that camp too and trying to get better

[@JustaSimpleComplexSyrian]

@@fullstackmd whats the name of the video??

[@clove2307]

reading this now and will definitely keep this in mind

[@hey_avacado]

Hey sir. Great video. I'm also learning with the Odin Project after trying out an online bootcamp. For me, it's been great so far and I definitely prefer their independent method of learning over the hand holding other sites offer.

[@fullstackmd]

Totally agree! Sometimes it is a lot of reading but overall I've enjoyed it and I like the pace!

[@krkr8863]

@@fullstackmd me to

[@fastdeliveryl708]

I think for beginners u can do freecodecamp and then jump to odins program

[@blackgrizzly4987]

@@fullstackmd It's true, it may be a lot to read at times...BUT we have a German saying that says "From nothing, nothing will come to you!"...No matter what you do, no matter which course...You have to DIGEST the information, you have to "walk" the path from A to B withtou shortcuts. Knowledge, wisdom and experience cannot be "downloaded" into your brain and from one day to the other you're a pro developer. Things take time. I am at the beginning of my path, but I already know that there are many wonderful resources, that may present knowledge differently, but as I've said, none of it will "miraculously" transform you into a well-paid pro developer. You have to put in the work, be dedicated and persevere. It's not complicated.

[@lilcxxj]

I’m about up to where he is in the foundation’s course and my understanding of them linking you to outside sources is it’s preparing you for what it’s like as a software developer when it comes to researching things you don’t know which I think the Odin project really does well it gets you used to LEARNING. Anyway I’m really enjoying it so far but I do have to agree the start will be difficult for people with no experience with I.T lucky for me I had a decent background in I.T having grown up on a PC and built a PC at a young age. That being said everything you need to know about the basics is all there for you to learn. For the dedicated ones The Odin Project is invaluable.

[@fullstackmd]

This is awesome

[@Kerwell]

I like it but man sometimes there is toooo much reading in between application. I appreciate the content and stuff, it’s all free, but youd thibk project based learning would imply more doing than reading, or have a lesson, assignments to code to apply it, then next. Sometimes it’s like 6 chapters inbetween two modules and it’s nothing but reading

[@fullstackmd]

Yeah totally agree it’s reading heavy - I’m debating also doing Wes Bos JS 30 course exercises as I go because I need a break from reading lol

[@Kerwell]

@@fullstackmd honestly, I’m thinking about just looking up literally any video pertaining to the information I’m supposed to be learning and doing the coding assignments and projects. Even using chromes dev tools are way more limited compared to Firefox. Because when something like flex box came up, it felt so overly complicated for no reason. I watched two videos and I was like “oh, that’s literally it.” Too much information being thrown at you. I can see how this is fine for established people because things make more sense because they’re used to or exposed to these concept already, but someone just getting into it, it’s like me reading you all the mechanics and combo strings in tekken and then telling you to apply what I just told you on a dummy without getting hands on practice. Even with the argument of “you can always look back” okay, I get that but lmfao that doesn’t mean you read me 4 chapters worth of concepts and different syntax without some knowledge application in between. Idk it grinds my gears sometimes lmfao

[@Kerwell]

@@fullstackmd dev dreamer and kevin Powell, I really like their videos. I’m training for web dev as well, changing careers. I really enjoy this so far, it’s fun. Before getting into TOP I was told never get all your information from one place, so I guess it’s showing for me when it comes to top. Way more of a hands on type of learner and fill the gaps after I’m comfortable with what I know and want to extend. Again, using a fighting game as an analogy, learn the fundamentals mechanics, extend knowledge with frame data and ect.

[@PriyankaKumari-ne9om]

@@Kerwell hi Kerwell I really align with what you said even for me the scenario is same today I started and I felt to my nerves , "Gosh, it's actually too much reading and with time I didn't enjoy it. As you mentioned I want to clarify how you are learning it like I did get the idea a bit but I would be grateful if you could summarize it for me like are you still following TOP or did you completely changed the way by taking different approach or course?

[@francis-md]

Hi Doc! I'm another MD learning to code here! Maybe we should collab in our future videos😀

[@fullstackmd]

That’s awesome! Yes that would be cool! Will check out your channel as well

[@Ahmed_Asif]

I actually completed my Frontend course from a local institute near by me and Inshallah I am going to start The Odin Project since I have heard a lot about it from other CS youtubers as well.

[@xlokn]

What about Freecodecamp Vs Odin projects

[@fullstackmd]

Both are good but I prefer Odin because it makes you code on your machine instead of the browser editor in FCC many times

[@hamza-chaudhry]

Really concise, straight-to-the-point video. Great job!

[@fullstackmd]

Appreciate that!

[@Rust_Rust_Rust]

My biggest problem with TOP is that it waits until it's too late to learn react. I have been doing TOP and I decided to skip past some sections to get to react due to the simple fact that my pure javascript projects were getting "sloppy" (I was doing the todo app project and my code wasn't that well written at the time). What I mean by that is the fact I was writing really long functions, very long variable names, etc. Looking back at it I realized how much mistakes I made and I'm confident I could do a much better job in vanilla javascript, however React itself taught me a lot about organizing my code into much cleaner code. I believe once you get a solid understanding of HTML,CSS, and Javascript (promises, async, and closures) you should immediately move towards learning a framework and building your skills even further using that framework. Furthermore, TOP is really lacking in terms of Data structures and algorithms in the Javascript section. I found myself having to use outside resources to supplement my learning (I also don't really believe javascript itself is great for learning data structures and algorithms but thats a rant for another day). Overall decent course just takes it way too slow once the fundamentals of HTML, CSS, and javascript are learned.

[@fullstackmd]

This is a good point thanks for sharing!

[@yousadisadisa3091]

thanks for sharing get what you mean

[@HeyIntegrity]

I thought data structures and gorithims was just it's own class. So this course only. Teaches it through JavaScript? Do you have to learn DSA in each language sperately?

[@HeyIntegrity]

Also what other languages or topics did you feel it was lacking it or didn't cover at all.

[@simpleman7203]

Is there similar projects but for machine learning/AI?

[@fullstackmd]

Good question! Not one that I know of. FastAI is there for deep learning. For basics of neural networks I really like Andrej Karpathys videos kzbin.info/aero/PLAqhIrjkxbuWI23v9cThsA9GvCAUhRvKZ

[@RidaWebDev]

great video! does the Odin project teach full stack software development or just one end? and do you think if ia beginner like me starts with this, will it be beneficial and give me a good start

[@fullstackmd]

Odin project teaches you the basics of both front and back end and is a great place to start! It takes a while and is very text heavy but if you can get through it, it has everything to start

[@RidaWebDev]

@@fullstackmd are there any courses you recommend for someone who wants to learn full stack. I'm currently searching and cannot figure it out which one to chose, I graduate highschool next month and am looking to have a career in software development

[@Spikezz3]

Are there any other platforms similar to the Odin Project that teach web development?

[@SolarConfetti-fi2qb]

Is there a similar open source course related to game development?

[@fullstackmd]

Hmm I’m not too familiar with game development

[@TheNoSuchThingPodcast]

I’m doing it right now. I’m a self employed tradesman. I have always been good at building my own PC’s but have no clue so this is a challenge to say the least, but I really like it

[@Astrotase]

Update?

[@online12plus]

ncie

[@fullstackmd]

Thanks!

[@MrTkshiu]

Those are some big hairy eyebrows

[@fullstackmd]

Got ‘em from my grandfather 🤙🏽

[@kawaiihikari0]

Everyone just needs to know: coding is like art, except for paint and canvas, it’s you and your computer, and instead of an end painting you finish with a program. - Stack Savvy 😂 Coding is very valuable and I always love to see new people join. Remember Googling is 100% ok. Even senior developers Google a lot. So good luck all my new people best of luck! You WILL get stuck as any new skill humans learn we get stuck! Push forward and keep going.. don’t be average and quit.

[@dailylessonswithayush8636]

Btw I am just a budding developer , I would love to take advice from you if we can personally connect

[@fullstackmd]

Nice! I’m pretty swamped with work and coding stuff right now but it’s nice to connect here!

[@dailylessonswithayush8636]

@@fullstackmd great thanks a lot

[@dexterandrei9629]

now i am in a good mood

[@user-qz2mu8er8h]

Hi Bro @Full Stack MD, Did you complete the course? If so can you plz share your review…Thank you

[@fullstackmd]

I never made it fully through! Got to a point where I felt good then started working on projects instead

[@anacarvalho8514]

Ima download it thanks for sharing!!

[@fullstackmd]

Awesome!

[@cameronharris8848]

I originally had a dedicated linux machine but a coworker recommended I set up WSL linux on my windows machine. Then I just use the bash in VS code to work like a unix terminal. It's tied to my onedrive so I can even back it all up !

[@fullstackmd]

That’s awesome!

[@0shaad]

How much time it take

[@brentttttttt]

1:31 literally my whole life

[@alok-desai]

Damn I thought for a second, what is Arijit Singh doing here? 😯

[@fullstackmd]

Lol Arijit is the GOAT

[@alok-desai]

@@fullstackmd 😂 Good one

[@AhmeD-lg7ru]

You should leave your social handles in the description, it'll help connecting with you. BTW am a video editor, are you looking for someone to edit your videos

[@fullstackmd]

Good idea! Will do that! And I’m okay for now - I like editing but if it changes will let you know!

[@WingedGlider]

The hardest part is for sure the mass text dumps. Luckily there are tons of resources you can find with a quick google search to give you a much better idea than the immensely dense documentation. Made it through foundations a week ago and started in early October, going with the node path. Do you think there are any places I should go after the Odin Project?

[@kawaiihikari0]

VScode 😘

[@Spirit035]

hahsdhahah good

[@johnmarkdinglasan2366]

thank you sir

It really worked for me after I look and try some tutorials, yours is the one that worked. Owe you a lot.

[@fullstackmd]

Awesome good to hear that!

[@ronaldoavich]

I like your view point. Agree or not you're very clear. Thank you.

[@fullstackmd]

Appreciate you!

[@vtechtips8576]

Why are 98% of my tutorial gears

[@fullstackmd]

Gears?

[@ivan11h]

Very good stuff!!! Thank you

[@fullstackmd]

Appreciate it!

[@albabibnmakbul4263]

In TOP, virtual machine or duel boot which option did you choose and why? (I'm currently in the installation section and a bit confused about this fact)

[@bevik12]

Since the VM is laggy and annoyed me I went for the normal Ubuntu dual boot.

[@fullstackmd]

I actually haven’t gotten there yet!

[@fullstackmd]

Or was this at the beginning? I have a Mac so don’t think I had to do that

[@bevik12]

@@fullstackmd With Mac you don't need to do that.

[@juanguerrero0941]

I used a VM but ended up working with windows and bash, with vs code and bash I can work like with a terminal

[@yassin5989]

Works well!! DANKEEE

[@fullstackmd]

Awesome!

[@ezeasikobia5059]

Das geht. Danke😉

[@chrisdaykin3899]

The biggest problem I've had is that - I want to learn everything about everything, and TOP teaches just what you need for that specific section, or lesson. For me, not knowing Linux or having used older versions of html in the past, and now learning CSS (which pulls the formatting out of the HTML - I end up going down numerous rabbit holes and it got overwhelming, especially understanding GIT and GITHUB. They don't go into how it all works right away - for example: they have you create A repository in your home folder, but having been a windows user i'm used to seeing my folders in a file manager - like the one in VSCode. But you can't see that folder directly (at least I couldn't on my MacBook - I had to find a way to get the text editor to see it. This caused A lot of confusion because I thought the repos directory was part of GITHUB - didn't know it was local - I had to take a few months off and study linux. There's other stuff too (ssh keys and multiple repos .. Etc.)

[@fullstackmd]

Yeah Git is a beast and I do think it takes more self motivation to learn through that. I think the idea is that this exposes you to stuff and ideally with practice you keep learning and getting used to it

[@AhammedShaheedhudheen]

i have completed the foundations and now I am doing the full stack javascript path, I am also doing in windows, and you don't need to learn everything, only learn things in that section, beacase advanced git and other things coming later as needed

[@captainjex4769]

@@AhammedShaheedhudheen Can you go through the Odin project using just Windows?

[@AhammedShaheedhudheen]

@@captainjex4769 yes, no problems, I tried using virtual box, but its too slow for my setup, now I am using windows only

[@captainjex4769]

@@AhammedShaheedhudheen Did you try to set up Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL)? Maybe that could help.

[@jackal_sniperr]

Sir can you please tell me which sections I should focus more on odin project if i'm only interested in the Front End Part?

[@fullstackmd]

Most of it is front end! If you do the foundations that’s all front end then you can go deeper into front end with the JavaScript track and if you don’t want to do backend then just skip that whole section

[@jackal_sniperr]

@@fullstackmd Thank you Sir for offering your valuable advice

[@karimheras9462]

Hey MD here as well although I didnt get Matched so Im looking for other paths that I could take. Ive been really enjoyed learning to code and the odin project. I am trying for the match again this year. I look forward to seeing your progress.

[@fullstackmd]

That’s awesome! Awesome that you’re learning how to code and good luck with the match!

[@trevormurphy3457]

if you have a second screen its better to open bash in powershell. That way it's not taking up half of your vscode window

[@Lockcallsibmad]

Really nice and helpful... Thanks!

[@fullstackmd]

Sure thing!