Is The Seiko Prospex LX a Rolex Submariner Killer?

A brief discussion surrounding the newly released Seiko Prospex LX. The analysis will look into it's design elements and movement in retrospect to the well established Rolex Submariner.

[@ID-Guy]

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[@gwyn409]

I worked as a professional diver from 1982 to the late 90's and my work watch was a Seiko - ultra reliable and unbreakable and still as good now. I have been watching your videos with the intention of investing in a 'special' watch and Tudor has been a favourite so far - maybe a Seiko Prospex would be more apt. Thanks you I will keep watching for more inspiration.

[@trygvejohannsrensen2719]

I own 2 prospex. And i Will never leave them, and they Will never leave me!

[@trypticon3293]

I've had a Quartz diver on my wrist for the last 17+ years, and I've used it in the ocean, swimming, freediving and snorkeling. I just recieved my new King Turtle, and I'll never leave Seiko!!

[@808Motorrad]

Though I agree with all of your technical comparisons matching up timepiece to timepiece; Rolex isn't really in the business of selling timepieces anymore. They sell something that the majority of their clients hold higher than any specification.... Status.

[@Sensiblefool]

Status to whom there are so many fakes

[@drbobsnightmare2521]

Rolex has the greatest marketing in the watch world, but Seiko has the greatest watch.

[@albert333pool]

We all poop the same

[@al_f.miami.semperefideles2879]

Regrettably that is why they hold their value

[@PixelWelding]

@@drbobsnightmare2521 sekio is down in hand finishing en high horology invasion

[@RMA_432_]

The fact that you stuck an F1 reference here just won you another subscriber!

[@soyaskywalker]

Same here!

[@its_clean]

Common misconception: “Zaratsu” does not translate to “katana polish”, “mirror blade”, or anything like that. It’s a Japanese transliteration of “Sallaz”, the Swiss-German tin-plate polishing machine that Grand Seiko began using in the 1950s, and has no technical or historical relation to the polishing techniques of Japanese swords. Zaratsu/Sallaz polishing is unique in its use of the flat surface of the plate, which can produce a smoother finish and sharper lines than the round edge of a traditional polishing wheel. While this method is difficult and unforgiving, it is not exclusive to Seiko- a handful of other manufacturers use the same process, including Japanese brethren Citizen (on their Chronomaster) and Minase.

[@gelmibson883]

THANKS.

[@kpoplivevid]

Thank you

[@newbielives]

Thank you for the insight

[@cedricduyongco]

The Casio Oceanus line of watches also uses the same process of polishing.

[@DM-sq3jm]

Very informative. Thank you.

[@marekeos]

One of the BEST movement comparisons/presentations I have ever seen.

[@gergemall]

Agreed

[@nkyryry]

The LX wins due to the spring drive. It’s the pinnacle of watch movements. Nothing beats it.

[@MrVoayer]

Detailed, thorough and highly infirmative review! Well done!!! Seiko really deserves much more respect than they receive. They should put you on the head of their PR department!

[@ALLSERVICE_RO]

He is already, duh.

[@jeffdj1975]

Seiko divers are extremely underrated

[@DM-rc4yu]

@@BurntPlaydoh Exactly, the SKX is objectively a bit of a POS. Poor build quality, poor specs and higher price than the competition. I'm actually struggling to think of the price point where Seiko is a good value these days.

[@gs7828]

@@DM-rc4yu I'm more interested in Citizen's diver. The Promaster 200m quartz solar is a beast. I prefer quartz because I value precision and the solar capabilities are so useful. With Seiko, I really like the Save the Ocean version of the Turtle and the Samurai... but they're costly and far less precise.

[@wade6759]

@@BurntPlaydoh they knew that the skx is nearing the end of its production so there was no need to update it. Even as a huge seiko fan i think the recent price hikes are out of control for the skx.

[@sidewinderxx]

you kno what I love about your reviews mate? It's not just a list of specs and stating the obvious.. it's qualitative, opinionated, thoughtful perspective. I would rather have deep commentary and stock photos than pro macro shots and boring commentary I could read on a spec sheet.. which is pretty common out there!

[@andrewl1621]

He said, "if they don't redesign in 2020, we'll see riots in the streets" hahahahahahahaha

[@kl2991]

hahahaha

[@kev-dm5388]

Hahaha.... (o_o)

[@appalachiangunman9589]

So that’s what it’s about! Is this man a prophet?

[@andrewl1621]

@@appalachiangunman9589 yesss asshole, this guys a prophet. Grow a sense of humor 😒

[@NecKClippA]

lmaooooo

[@marioaquilina248]

While the Submariner remains the starting point for all diver watches,Seiko produces some of the best diver pieces which cater for almost all budgets. In this case Seiko gives Rolex a very serious challenge. If the Seiko was 40/41mm it would sweep off the Sub easily in my modest opinion. Thanks for the Video.

[@tantu2395]

Seiko sure making a big wave as take a huge step forward with the "spring drive" in house movement.

[@1bluensx]

No, because people buy Rolex for the name. Many many better movements. But yet people will buy it because it says Rolex

[@laithisr]

1bluensx not always true. For me, the Rolex design language is so refined and the proportions of the watches are amazing. It’s like comparing Nike running shoes to Brooks. Yea the Brooks are the better running shoe, but they’re ugly. The seiko is nowhere near as elegant.

[@asadb1990]

@@laithisr actually the seiko grand masters are in a class their own

[@fredriksvard2603]

1bluensx movements have nothing to do with it

[@tippykaffu4047]

@@laithisr Despite the beauty of Submariners, some of their designs are actually bland though. They do look very good and refined. However, as a series of dive watch, its almost like its just the same watch with different over and over again in this decade. Seiko always experiments new designs. Its not like looking at the same thing over and over again. Prospex always have new designs every 5 years(?). But yes, nothing cant really replace Rolex. Because Rolex.

[@varanid9]

@@tippykaffu4047 Well, that's exactly what the Submariner is; it's been around for decades, improving incrementally until it is as it is. This is why Rolex doesn't "re-issue" an older version; technically, it's the same watch that has simply evolved. The blandness is familiarity. Everyone has imitated it or made a homage for quite some time. To me, modern Rolexes (except for the Explorer) have become soul-less. They just don't do it for me like they used to 40 years ago.

[@chi-towncalifornia5916]

I love the video, IDGuy. I think the LX carves out a proper niche for itself, though I would hold off on getting an LX until Seiko comes out with a 40-42mm size diver, with an updated clasp. I don’t get hung up on brand names, so I think comparing a Seiko to a Rolex isn’t necessarily a problem. Personally, however, I would still prefer the Submariner, since I find it to have a more compact and conservative form factor than the Seamaster and the LX, and the Sub is a better all rounder as a one watch. Coincidentally, Ken Okayama designed the Enzo Ferrari, so your car analogy was also fitting.

[@JB91710]

I have a 45 year old Seiko Automatic Day Date, 6139-7039. While I haven't worn it much, the watch has only needed crystals as they are glass and has never been opened. After sitting for months, it starts running before I even close the clasp. I don't think you can beat a Seiko!

[@justcallmeq8120]

Had chills hearing the screaming V10 of the F2002 again been so long, still as always praying for Schumi

[@Highbudget]

Best sound ever, it's just not the same with the current V6 Turbos, even the V8 sounded killer

[@finished6267]

Likewise. Such a tragedy. What a legacy, I really, REALLY hope an pray that he recovers. Makes me so angry.

[@bertbegeman2838]

True that! and that's why the whole racecar comparison goes wrong for me! I don't get it...... there's no substitute for cubic inches, there's no better F1 engine than a roaring V10, and a real watch has a mechanical movement with a unique heartbeat. And it has its shortcomings, so what! It gives me that special feeling, its alive, it lives for me, for my kid and his kids....... I don't think this semi electric piece of marvel from seiko is gone pull that off aswell.......

[@stanleyleong9802]

Im still wearing my Seiko Diver watch made from 70's.

[@dabsafe]

I’m still wearing my ‘69 Omega Seamaster.

[@stanleyleong9802]

@Ray Doyle only few times throughout the journey. And I don't have to take special care when I'm wearing it. Scratches all around am I'm still fine with it.

[@mikestone9129]

This Seiko is a beautiful tool watch. As a dive watch and at it's price I totally agree that it is superior or at the least equal to the Submariner. But let's be totally honest, most people buy the Rolex for the "wow" factor. To impress people and show off their money. Either way, Seiko has hit it out of the park with this one. Great review.

[@Oakleyworld]

i like this watch but go try selling it, then you will see what makes Rolex valuable

[@troyseth8527]

Rolex and Omega and other Swiss own brand recognition. Others will definitely notice. You won’t get any attention. “It’s just a Seiko”. Finally got my SLA021

[@Chris-il6yh]

Here's the real thing. Rolex used to be for the wealthy. Now it's for the Land rover driver drug dealer I know plenty of them!! And I know you see them aswell. Some approval to have rolex are becoming like burberry in the 90s chav symbols.

[@canonyeo4286]

Excellent video. I have 8 Rolex, which includes the Daytona, Batman, and the Hulk. I have twice as many GS. I agree with your assessment and I would like to add a few details from my experience. I have currently four spring-drive. My 5th, the latest manual spring-drive 9R31 Sunbeam is on its way. On the average, i get 3 sec per month. That's Japanese modesty for you. The clasp would be like what you get on a GS diver or a marine master which is designed for practicality as a diver's tool should. The bulge on the clasp is just as iconic as the crown. It's just like the SBGC series chronograph being nicknamed the Dragon for obvious reason. If you are into iconic vintage Seiko, you would understand. The LX is designed and certified for saturation diving without helium gas. The Sub is not suitable saturation diving. Though the Sea Dweller has helium, but, it has an obsolete manual function. As for the finishing, i reproduce here my comments on the comparison between the Dragon and the Daytona. I have the Jade Dragon SBGC207 which comes in a one of a kind croc strap made to last forever, it seems. It looks more rugged everyday with seasoning. I will compare it with my Daytona 116503 for a point blank value proposition. If you have both, start by feeling your finger over the crown, the guard, and the pushers, then the edges. Now, you can feel the difference between a handmade watch and a machine made watch. Try not to press to hard on the Rolex, though, or you may cut your finger. The Daytona +30 sec per month is the most accurate of my Rolex. The Dragon hardly moved a sec over a month. Don't say it's not mechanical. It has a 50 jewels 415 parts movement and it's 1/3th the price of the Daytona. The LX, at 4200USD, after 25% regular discount is less than half the price of the Sub. Yes, it's justified. If you prefer the GS pricing, then, get the GS. If you have a lower budget, the marine master, a real diver, is still around for you at 2700USD new. I don't see any reason to complain.

[@slickrick320]

Good analysis my friend. 😎

[@canonyeo4286]

@@slickrick320 You are welcomed bro. One other common misinterpretation is the size and thickness. It's understandable if you are getting one or two watches, you may get a small and thin one of your liking. But, if you are a player, and have been playing for a long time, you would certainly have gone beyond that stigma.

[@vtheglad9266]

Nice comment. Appreciate this kind of analysis. Every1 here may not have the opportunity or mean to owns these watches and your ownership shines the light. I believe GS does have machine finishes then hand finishing beyond zaratsu. as well. Thumbs up

[@canonyeo4286]

@@vtheglad9266 You are welcomed. Recently, there was a video comparing Rolex and GS. This one caught my eyes bec it has the main frame picture with the left half Submariner hour hand and the right half GS Hi-beat Diver's minute hand. That's a wrong picture if you do not spell out the differences. The Rolex hands are way smaller and shorter. It requires an excellent mechanism to carry bigger and longer hands, especially if it's running at higher frequency (5Hz Vs 4Hz), maintaining a higher power reserve (55 Hr vs 48Hr) and at the same time, keep accurate time. It's right to price the 30 Jewels 5R65 spring-drive more than the 26 jewels 8L35. It's more decorated for a start. The tourbillion is a marvel, but, now you can have one for 500usd. The spring-drive is a standing marvel, testament of Piaget's 70K failure. If they had been successful, the Swiss will tell you how marvelous the spring-drive, and is worth every penny of your 70K. There is video by watchbox comparing Omega Deville tressor with GS Elegance SBGK002. I copy here my comment: "The gs not only has a better mechanism than the patek calatrava small sec but way better all round. The dial is an art piece. Wrong comparison. The tressor should be compared to the gs caliber 9s64, the latest being the sbgw231 which cost one third the price of the omega. The hands and indices of the gs dances even in dim lights. The tressor though more decorated, runs at lower beat and yet has lower power reserve." Still, i take my hat off to the Omega for their guts. It takes an incredible mechanism to carry a long minute hand and an even longer second hand at high frequency (3.5 vs 4Hz), maintaining high power reserve (60 vs 72Hr) and at the same time keep 'chronometer time.' Watch connoisseur called this sec hand the third hand, and the best of watches. This basis of a good manual wind gives you the platform for a good automatic mentioned earlier. Try to find one of this caliber in the big names and see. Lost in complications for complications sake, people are hoodwinked and missed the most i important lesson in horology. This is the beginning of knowing what is a good watch.

[@PepeDeezNutz]

🧢🧢🧢

[@ironscalp2241]

Nicely written presentation. I'm growing to respect Seiko...

[@evh4611]

Seiko / Grand Seiko SHOULD release a 40 mm high end / high quality dive watch with a high end micro adjust clasp and bracelet. They really should !!

[@pbuehner]

Totally agree. When I see something 43 or bigger, I stop looking.

[@gurdeeps]

Seiko didn’t get the memo that no one in 2019 cares about oversized monstrosities that these watches are.

[@watch_MrG]

Totally agree. The size and thickness kill all spec

[@kmgtv7572]

@@pbuehner Agreed, while I understand the trend. I think it's absurd that a lot of TRENDING watches can't be worn with a dress shirt.

[@Sox148]

Stop asking small kiddy watches! Watches, especially, divers are meant to be seen and legible. Buy a Micky Mouse watch and stop bothering serious horologery passionates...

[@radonsmith4386]

I literally got shivers when you played that 2002 F1 sound.

[@RobinYoulton]

Brilliant - I particularly like the analogy to F1 evolution tech. Your videos are superb, highly informative - a true delight!

[@j.mahoney1178]

Seiko Grandmaster beat Swiss watches hands down whenever they have ever entered into an accuracy competition against Rolex, in fact, Rolex will no longer enter their watches against Seiko because they don't like coming second.:-)

[@TheAlcapone100]

seiko is a beast and a truly powerful submarine the face is big for a reason so you can see it better underwater!! the rolex submariner is more of a fashion nowdays

[@ForeverUnknowing]

That Seiko LX might be the ultimate tool watch. I'm really interested in that Spring Drive movement. I'd say the only thing that really surprises me about it is the clasp for the bracelet. Even the MM200 has a milled clasp. Seiko is prone to some odd decisions, but I love them and this watch all the same. If I could have one watch at any price point, I'd be tempted by this one, or perhaps one of the Grand Seiko divers.

[@davem.2788]

You have to see this Seiko Prospex LX in person. Magnificent watch. This watch is a statement piece. I purchased the SNR045 (Green version) and absolutely love it. Why not have this watch AND the Submariner in your collection?

[@dipsyfriday]

I agree with all your points except for your visual evaluation. The Seiko looks very "thick" and "chunky" compared to the classic lines of the Rolex.

[@jjandrooney]

Yeap.. GS and Seikos are just to chunky. If not, I'm sure tons of people will buy them!

[@jjandrooney]

@ Anal muchhhh looool

[@winstonsharpe4080]

@@jjandrooney and "then and than"

[@jjandrooney]

@@winstonsharpe4080 quiet and quite?

[@winstonsharpe4080]

@@jjandrooney there n their n the'er also, makes you wonder what some people were doing in school lol

[@simonbailey2151]

Seamaster 300m all the way. A watch that you can actually buy, amazing quality, unique coaxial movement, wonderful to wear and own.

[@thomash4578]

I just wish they would go back to the solid hands as on my Omega 2254

[@mickeylickey123]

If Seiko did something with their bracelet, clasp, and on the fly micro adjust, they would be so much more desirable. I own the MM300 sla021, and its lovely. One of my favorite watches to date. I owned and still own, omega, rolex and tudor. The seiko mm300 is still my favorite. I replaced the clasp with one from a strapcode bracelet

[@joesaave]

There is no Rolex sub Killer!!!! But Seiko has some badass watches!!!!👍

[@7774710235]

Imho the omega planet ocean roast the submariner or the blancpain fifthy fathoms.

[@jeanraspail2979]

People buy a Rolex because they want a Rolex.

[@darood77]

@@7774710235 Just buy what you want. The topic is Rolex and Seiko only.

[@cakeisgod1]

50 fathoms

[@marksantos5188]

8a

[@GdaySport]

I agree the crown mod is a big aesthetic improvement.

[@jasonborne5724]

Agreed, How was it done?

[@FernandoRodriguezPmP]

I own both watches, the Seiko and the Rolex. I end up wearing the Seiko more because it's less flashy and inevitably when people see read Seiko on the dial they think "cheap". On the other hand, the Rolex shines and commands attention. Finally, although both are good quality watches the Rolex comes on top, will retain value better and represent most people in most situations.

[@doctoralgy8186]

It's very hard to imagine anyone other than pretentious watch snobs to spot a Seiko on someone's wrist and think "that's cheap". When in reality it would be a breath of fresh air when watch enthusiasts spot a Seiko, a Timex, a Citizen, a Casio, Orient and instantly think "now that's a real watch", in a sea of apple watches, fashion watches, and empty wrists.

[@Leftystrat]

I think seiko would represent most people in most situations. I have a Rolex but wear my marinemaster more often especially at night. The unwanted attention factor doesn’t happen with the seiko even Hough I like it better😃

[@jamilibrahim884]

Any body who has a car can afford a Rolex. To each its own

[@tc6578]

Thanks for this informative video on the three divers. Yes, I do like the LX, but its size is simply too overpowering for my 6.25” wrist. I have been wearing the SKX, Turtle and Samurai and other mid-size sports watches with no issues. The maximum L2L distance that would work for me is 49mm.

[@marcdaniels9079]

I have a very small wrist too but I have got over the whole thing of I can’t wear a watch beyond size X. It’s a bit like people who say if you are over Y years old you can’t wear this or that or the other. I have even become proficient at trimming rubber straps to avoid having an enormous take flapping in the breeze.

[@mchoch4576]

I own a basic Seiko SKX009 (Pepsi) diver watch, it is just as accurate as my Rolex Batman (2016) in my opinion, but what I feel when I wear my Rolex is priceless. I enjoy wearing my Seiko very much and I use it for a beater. I have been wanting to buy a Grand Seiko SBGN003 or a GS GMT SBGE201, but my issue isn't with the quality of the watch, in my opinion Seiko group makes some of the best working timepieces. The problem I have is if I every go for resale, They have no value because I have been told by watch resellers that it's just a Seiko. Just to add I buy watches to wear not for resale, but in my opinion you never know when needs change. Great video as always and all the best.

[@rjeepster8640]

Your delivery and comparisons were a work of art in its own right. I just ordered the SBDJ017 classic look but I do enjoy the solar power

[@MrAnonymousRandom]

The only reason I would want this watch is for the spring drive movement's quartz level of accuracy and the perfect sweep of the seconds hand. But otherwise, Seiko is asking too much for a prospex watch. Seiko is known to have quality control issues on prospex and other lower end lines of watches in regards to the alignment of hour markers, chapter rings, date windows etc. I might as well go look for a used Grand Seiko.

[@Sammeeee]

Nice video! Spring drive is actually way more accurate than a second a day. It's about a second per month. I don't think this watch is worth it though, for this kind of money you can buy a Grand Seiko Snowflake, which is way more appealing in my opinion

[@pacovl46]

It’s not. It’s about 4 seconds a month, which is still insane. At 4 seconds a month a spring drive has in 12 years, 2 months and about 2 weeks the same deviance as a modern Rolex running +2 seconds a day has in a year! Gotta love spring drive! :-) Also, it’s not fair to judge the price of a dive watch by comparing it to a dress watch because they are totally different beasts.

[@Sammeeee]

@@pacovl46 Some will run at +4 seconds, some at +0.5 or even less. There's this youtuber who has two Snowflakes, one of them runs about +2s a month, the other at about +1s a day. I agree on the dress watch thing, but in my opinion the snowflake isn't really a dress watch. It can be worn on casual occasions as well. It's as much of a dress watch as a Datejust is

[@chookchack]

I haven’t seen a GS diver.

[@JerryWDaviscom]

My analogue G-Shock GA-1000-A1 is accurate to about 2 seconds per year :), and is massively more rugged than the three watches reviewed, combined. Certainly the GA-1000-A1 is not an heirloom piece, and we all love those, but for accuracy, reliability and durability, mechanical watches cannot touch quartz. Its as if all mechanical watches ship broken, with some being less broken than others. And don't drop one off your dresser onto a hard floor, but yes, that US$9,000, thank you very much. I tell you, neighbors, the watch business is just like the mountain bike business. Price is no barometer of performance, and everything is vastly priced over the value of what you get for your money. Buy smarter - get better.

[@samadrid6321]

I am wearing a 2002 Rolex Sea-Dweller, a bit less than two seconds + per day. I'll take my Rolex all day.

[@danielmelendez9943]

I own a Rolex coke dial GMT II bought brand new in 2006 and a Sinn U1 with fully tegimented bezel and bracelet and a casio mtd 110. While my rolex has appreciated over 250%, Rolex has kept the watch with the same movement. My watch has the 3185 and the newer models have the 3186 movement. By now almost 15 yrs have passed and my watch is trouble free and when examined at close range you wouldn’t know its 15 yrs old. To the point i am considering buying a seiko for sure but i like the older models from previous generation. In terms of value seiko wins for design, quality, cost, reliability and overall functionality. Buying a rolex now is insane as Rolex drives the demand and you cannot even get a stainless steel submariner. Excellent review, very in depth and you really have done your HW.

[@amadeus8006]

Really appreciate the commentary. Well thought out and makes sense. Know exactly what you mean about the titanium and have wondered why Rolex has not gone down this route. It is also lighter than stainless, but I do also know Rolex uses 90xx grade not 316, but titanium is still the lighter. There are also other exotic alloys that no one has tried yet. The mechanism of the Seiko is a winner and especially the reserve function, which I feel is a must on a modern watch. The only thing I'm of contrary position is the aesthetics. Think the large lumes of the Seiko are slightly garish. Overstated and large like its trying too hard to be stylish. And perhaps is perceived to be fashionable purely because its different like most modern pieces, but how the design will be perceived with time is where the test with aesthetics will be. Whereas the Submariner is understated and tasteful, purely being the product of the subtle design finesse of form follows function that seems to follow through. Agree with you on the crown on the Seiko though. Would like to see other novel features come as standard on watches. The Seiko style movement I think is the way to go. Simple, long lasting, reserve function, and the ability, in future, because of being an electrically operated system to add other functions on later.

[@tattooedfagin]

Good looking watch but, with a €6000 tag I'd stick with Rolex

[@amarcord1988]

Reviewing a watch with just booklet data and online images... This is unserious (I'm more of Seiko fan myself - but yes, this has no point).

[@peterjames1527]

Why bother.? It's only a watch after all; it's not an art form or Greek tragedy.

[@MalteFS]

Actually he is not reviewing the watches nor does it say so in the title.

[@craftandtailored]

Killer comparison and loved the Ferrari comparison!! Nice work dude!

[@Freedom89984]

Another option that is more affordable is the new 2019 Prospex Sumo. Very nice watch with great updates like saffier glass and better movement. Under $1000! Also in green.

[@greenerick]

And very thin because of 6r35 movement

[@lebojay]

I love my Samurai. With the 4R35 movement it was only $450 US and looks stunning on a Crafter Blue rubber strap.

[@vondahe]

@@lebojay How accurate is it? Mine lost a full minute most days. It was a beautiful watch but I sold it because the lack of accuracy was unacceptable. A watch that cannot keep time reasonably accurately, is worthless to me.

[@lebojay]

@@vondahe Let’s say +/- 25 seconds a day approximately. Much room for improvement. The movements have regulators so if you’re willing to pay a watchmaker to fiddle with it they can be made more precise.

[@swright5690]

@@lebojay Any watch like that needs to be put down (like an old dog).

[@WreckedRectum]

The Seamaster just looks better and classier than the Prospex. Omega really nailed it.The Rolex is starting to look a bit old and crusty next to both of them, though. There’s a limit to how much the Rolex brand name can make the sub shine.

[@WreckedRectum]

Hue Man That is true. I do not doubt for one second that the Rolex is a better investment (as far as investing in watches goes anyways), but as a watch it is getting a bit long in the tooth compared to its competition. I think a good move for Rolex would be to update their watch again soon, like they did right after the Omega SMP came out.

[@daniellee8162]

You can say Rolex is looking old and boring but one can say they don't need to change what isn't broken. You know what you are getting with Rolex and that is class and quality. Now for a Rolex enthusiast being class and quality is a different story.

[@rustyshackleford17]

Honestly, nothing will ever kill the submariner until Rolex discontinues the line. There are plenty of better watches out there, watches that come close to the quality at a substantially lower price (Steinhart being one) but the Submariner is like any other luxury brand/item. I've always been a bit sketchy on Seiko because they don't have the consistent quality that they used to. For that money, you might as well save up for a bit longer and get a Grand Seiko.

[@paulwinkfield6560]

WOW! just WOW! a Brillent presentation!! I'm an F1 fan from the 50s and you're right on point!! I feel if it wasn't for the Bond connection the Rolex wouldn't be where it is...only reason I have a GMT is Honor Blackman in Goldfinger! The tech and the emotions is what stirs me in both the watches and the racecars..Great Job!

[@robertriva1313]

Bond ALWAYS wore Omega watches.

[@Ilestun]

James Bond = Omega seamaster.

[@Pulsonar]

Ilestun and Robert Riva, I don’t know why you’re both definite about Omega being Bonds only timepiece. I saw myself as a teenager when Dr. No was shown on BBC 1 for the first time in the mid 70s that James Bond wore a Rolex Submariner in Dr. No - 1962, just like the marque preference of the author Ian Fleming who wore a Rolex Explorer.

[@markn3586]

Bond wore Gruen, Rolex, Seiko, Pulsar, and most recently Omega.

[@Pulsonar]

​@@markn3586 Exactly! I was only a kid but I remember Bond (Roger Moore) with Pulsar and at least 4 different (possibly Moore :) Seiko gadget watches in the 70s through to the 80s. Kids never forget these wonderful toys :)

[@derekshearer9049]

You have a great sense of humour. Lol. The crown on the seiko looks like a huge wart. Cheers

[@rayleeaustralia]

Derek Shearer now the only thing I look at is that giant wart😖

[@cjack202003]

Is that a sub?!...no, it's a Seiko. Is that a sub?!...no, it's a Tudor. Is that a sub?!...no it's a Steinhart. Every brand wants to be like the real the real thing. Many people talk down about Rolex, but...they buy watches that look like Rolexes lol.

[@samjohnson6712]

Excellent point. Lots of wannabes out there)))

[@richsun247]

cjack202003 I don’t mind Tudor, but you are correct. A Rolex is a Rolex.

[@g3ultra]

Angels only wish their singing voice sounded that awesome!

[@felicienrigaud5486]

Yes i totaly agree with you. When they presented this new Seiko prospex LX (for Luxus) SNR029J at Baselworld 2019, I was thinking that it's a great diver watch, better than a Submariner. The Sping Drive movement is better than the Rolex movement, more accurate, with the same 72 hours power reserve... And the Titanium material is 40% lighter that the Rolex 904L stainless steel... So the watch is much more comfortable on the wrist than the Rolex... Ceramic bezel, antireflective sapphire cristal, bigger hands than on the Submariner and of course 300m water resistance ! And the Seiko lumibright lume is as shinny as the Rolex chromalight.. The Seiko Prospex LX SNR029J is about 6 200€, so 1000€ less than the Rolex Submariner. This Seiko is a great value for that price... Very interesting the comparison with a Formula one in your video... For sure this Prospex LX SNR029J should belong to the Grand Seiko collection. Because now such luxus models with a grand Seiko mouvement like the Spring Drive and high quality hand crafted, creates confusion between Seiko regular models and Grand Seiko models...

[@claudiakovesdi378]

How much is a women's? Watch

[@felicienrigaud5486]

@@claudiakovesdi378 there is no women's model unfortunately. It's only men's. 45mm on woman's wrist it's quite big... But, why not ? There are many women that wear Rolex Submariner or Daytona... But they are only 40mm...

[@ptkbsq]

I for one won't mind if the Submariner's design stays the same. It's a classic signature look that you'd easily recognise from afar. It's what made the Submariner, well, a Submariner. A movement upgrade is welcome, though.

[@mrunderhood]

I've got both but my Rolex has appreciated 900% since I purchased it. Will the Seiko be a comparable long term investment?

[@shiraz1736]

I don’t by watches for the investment aspect.

[@mmaxsp]

Amazing, with power reserve indicator...

[@Frank-qs3pe]

I own 3 prospex and I love this watch ! It looks rugged and tough 👍It’s definitely missing the cyclops over the date.

[@petemonceau5057]

Yes, because the Seiko has a more accurate movement, can actually be used as a dive watch, and has no stigma as merely a name, I have an Arnie dive watch I purchased over 30 years ago and have used it as a commercial diver, scuba diving, and snorkeling, and the LX is going to be my replacement.

[@bigmacdaddy1234]

Get a Tudor Black Bay and be happy. It's the best bang for the buck today.

[@jukebox1794]

if and only if "bang for buck" is priority #1.

[@arbogash1852]

mac daddy Bang for buck might just as well be G Shock, Swatch, Casio.

[@paula5482]

Needs to be 40 to 42mm for me. Omega 300m is the sub killer and I like the Omega design much more than the Seiko.

[@d3xmeister]

Paul A The new Omega is blingy as heck, you may as well put neons on your wrist

[@Ken-vl4wk]

Divers do not care about design. All we care is functionality. Omega Seamaster watches have too many details (irrelevant and distractive).

[@s.p.d9227]

You know! Most good quality Dive watches from Japan can be a "Rolex killer" if you don't buy into the whole historical horology importance thingy!

[@dontbelieveeverythingyouth8173]

I was trying on a 2000 four line sub today with the option to purchase for €11000, I was wearing my MM300 (SBDX001) and there simply was no argument which was the better "Dive Watch" I own a few high end Seikos, I own the first Spring Drive as well which is becoming quite a Unicorn on the second hand market. Considering letting it and another go if I can get to try one of these on.

[@notinservice3724]

great show today ! I wear my Deepsea Sea Dweller daily (2015) but am looking for a watch to wear on over sea backpacker style holiday, and am thinking this will be the one, a quick plus and minus for me, is the Rolex gliding lock for the bracelet is a big plus for sizing in the heat, Seiko is power reserve gauge is the big plus

[@biffbifford402]

The Steinhart Ocean One is the real Sub killer. Might be the best bang for the buck. The entire watch was less than the service on my Rolex. I sold the Rolex and bought an Ocean One. As a result I wear it everyday and don’t worry about it at all.

[@LMGLUDA]

Biff Bifford wow, selling a Rolex and buying a Steinhart... just wow.

[@biffbifford402]

LMGLUDA After owning both, I can attest that the Rolex os most certainly not worth $7,000 more than the Ocean One. In fact, you’d be surprised at how they are more alike in quality than they are apart. Don’t be a brand snob. There are other very nice watches. Besides, I still have several others, including a sapphire sandwhich MOTM.

[@LMGLUDA]

Biff Bifford I have bought 2 Steinharts, also own a couple of Rolex and few other low, mid and high end watches... as with everything, price grows exponentially. A Marinemaster is not 5 times better than a Sumo, but it is better. Cheaper watches will always give you the best bang for your buck, if that’s all you are looking for you shouldn’t pass the 200 mark... it was just funny to talk about selling a Rolex and prefering to buy a Steinhart

[@biffbifford402]

LMGLUDA Now, knowing what I know now, I doubt I’ll buy another Rolex. For me, relative to everything else out there, Rolex just simply doesn’t represent a good value anymore. They’ve priced themselves out of the market, and continue to do so at a higher rate year after year. Like I said I love my Omega MOTM, but don’t see myself buying another Omega due to much better values out there. I don’t need name brand recognition - only quality. Steinhart, Sinn, and others provide that.

[@fpoynton1604]

Steinhart is just remarkable build quality - and fantastic physical balance and confidence on the wrist , true value with their nod to earlier Rolex designs that are no longer being made - simply cool . The general premise of this discussion misses the point -we all know that most 300$ solar quartz driven watch will be more shock resistant, last longer without a service and tell better time then a mechanical Swiss or Rolex. The interest in purely mechanical pieces related to their relationship to history and events, ancient design and build elements, early mechanical horological principles and architecture. We know Quartz digital and hybrid technologies will always be the best value to tell the time - but thats not why you buy a purely mechanical piece. ☺

[@danhornaday7319]

Rolex is 904L steel not 316

[@rick137.pickle]

I think he is referring to the older models.

[@cameronkrause4712]

don't expect the Rolex Sub to change. Rolex believe that they have found perfection in that design and to change it now would fly in the face of the reasons that they have kept the traditional design.

[@pdiz]

I think you should have compared the Seiko to the Submariner with the cyclops (or is that the Sea-Dweller?). It may have added enough complexity that it wouldn't look so minimalist compared to the Seiko. That being said, what a beautiful Seiko!

[@georgegarcia566]

11:44: “You are sniffing paint...”. You’re reviews are fantastic!

[@watchfalcon122]

The real Sub killer is the Seamaster Diver 300m

[@damachine3]

Sure. Not only is it not killing it, it's not even inflicting a wound.

[@purplefabian]

@@damachine3 the Omega movement is superior

[@damachine3]

@@purplefabian What does that have to do with my comment? That's a different topic from the one at hand. Better movement or not (and even that is arguable depending on what is important to you), this Omega is not even inflicting a wound on the Submariner's sales...let alone killing the sales. Those that want the best value for their money can go buy a Citizen or a Casio and get a durable watch that keeps perfect time. People who buy these expensive mechanical watches are buying a statement and jewelry for the most part. Those that want the Submariner don't give a rat's ass about a couple of meaningless technical details that the movement of an Omega might have that the Rolex does not. They want a Rolex. Period. Very few people wanted the Submariner and then said, "Oh wait, now I want this Omega diver instead." Some, perhaps, but very few. There's such a high demand for Submariners that the demand has not eroded by even one unit since the launch of this Omega. Rolex has not changed their production by one unit because of this watch and that is the topic at hand...not which one has the better this or that. Don't get me wrong, I own many Rolexes and I also own Omegas. In fact, I'm buying another Omega right now. Omegas are awesome and I'm not here to hate on them; I'm just stating facts from a business perspective and I laugh when people say it's a Submariner killer. Whatever you can say on paper about, whether it has to do with movements or something else, has nothing to do with this point.

[@chi-towncalifornia5916]

damachine3 The only true Submariner killer is another Submariner.

[@damachine3]

@@chi-towncalifornia5916 Exactly. Rolex kills production for the next one. ;)

[@teixas777]

The best watchmaker of the world! Who control the gift of time? Richt or poor...all materials...only SEIKO!

[@N108funshow]

You’re an excellent speaker. Great review. Thank you from Texas.

[@tkm3207]

Bravo! New to your channel and really enjoying your commentary!

[@csanadbarczy9153]

Rolex isn't pecial at all. No innovation and outdated styles for all of their models. Seiko looks modern even with that huge crown and it boasts performance beyond anything Rolex can ever dream of. There are better alternatives to Rolex in all of their lines. Great video, keep it up!

[@otobotrecords]

Are you sure the clasp on the SNR029 is stamped? There are virtually no Seiko's above $300 on SS bracelet with a stamped clasp, they're all milled. I couldn't find a source for how the LX line's clasps look, but I *highly doubt* they'd use stamped clasps. All Prospex divers and Presage watches I handled had good to great bracelets with at least ok clasps that were all milled. If you want to take a look at a great and elegant, yet bullet-proof GS sports watch, check out the Spring Drive GMT with rotating and fully lumed sapphire bezel, the SBGE201.

[@uyt6uyt5]

My SARW-021 most definitely does not have a stamped clasp.

[@otobotrecords]

@@uyt6uyt5 TBH since IDGuy said himself said that he is not too heavily into Seiko's, the statement about all Seiko's having stamped clasps derives from a preconception on his part. I have now seen another video featuring the SNR029 and it was clearly visible that it does in fact not have a stamped clasp. Moreover it seems the milled clasp also has the diver's extension known from the Grand Seiko divers.

[@galaga8834]

You did a tremendous job here. I’m a fan of how you present.

[@johnchang8588]

It’s not going to kill any sub, not at that price point. People who can spare that kind of money for a watch would just go for the Coronet. It is how luxury goods work and Seiko is just not luxury enough for people to spend that kind of money. On the other hand if Seiko drops the price to $4k range it can very well slay the Omega Seamaster.

[@fredriksvard2603]

Ben Chang No, those buyers would want the omega badge.

[@rashid_art]

Rolex has been overtaken:( It's no good denying it anymore. No one is saying they're bad, they've just overpriced themselves out of the market. Spring Drive, superior finishing and Titanium, add to that insane lume and power reserve indicator, arguably more heritage. If you're biased say it, don't act otherwise.

[@jakeagusta]

rashid_art 2015 Given that you can’t find sports model Rolex watches in any AD in the world coupled with grey dealers selling watches £10k above list price; I don’t think they have priced themselves out of the market. Demand is greater than ever. The Seiko will appeal to one group as Rolex will the other. I own a Seiko and a Rolex, no bias here 😁

[@rick137.pickle]

And Rolex doesn't give a F...

[@courtneyinutah]

I think allot of you young guys don't realize HOW lucky we are that we can still even buy something as classic & original as the Submariner, still made by the original company & not ruined by "improvements" thought up by youngsters who don't fully appreciate the near perfection of the original . . . For instance . . . If ford still offered a 65 mustang, in its original form, it would be a best seller . . . But we are not offered anything classic in its original form in these modern times . . . Its nothing short of a miracle that Rolex hasn't given in to pressure to ruin one of the last great originals still in production.

[@rickthomas9278]

I've watched hours looking for exactly what Prospex means. They tell ya all about PADI, and explain PADI in detail! They mention Prospex because it's on the dial.... Thank You for explaining what it is !

[@gonnahavemesomefun]

Absolutely superb analysis. I must have watched thousands of KZbin videos on every subject imaginable. This guy just made one of the best videos I have ever seen. Compelling viewing. Sub'd.

[@getoffmylawn8986]

As a huge F1 fan I loved the comparison, but still too big for me. I'll keep my Sinn EZM 3F, it's +2 seconds a day.

[@brianmsahin]

People tend to forget that Rolex are mass produced watches, somewhere around a million watches a year. They're pretty good watches and I'm sure worth the $10,000 or whatever the retail price is. But people who are bamboozled by the brand name to pay double that in the aftermarket space aren't exactly the brightest stars in the universe. As far as the Seiko is concerned, the Spring Drive is the future. To sum it up those who say "It's only a Seiko." are either watch snobs or don't understand the massive impact that the company has had and still has on the watch industry. After all they almost killed the Swiss watch industry in the 1980's, and this Spring Drive technology may well have a major effect as the technology trickles down, as it inevitably does.

[@entroheat]

Very well states, unfortunately those snob wannabes are too dumb to understand that and I may add sans it’s current retention status Rolex is a very overrated and overpriced even at its current msrp and for all of its models. Anyone who searches online will find them to be abundant at inflated prices yet they still think they rare and made im low quantities.

[@misterfreeze6545]

I am sure that compared to the Rolex, the Seiko is an awesome deal! But then any watch would be, case in point being the Omega you point out. But I just can't get around the brand name on the dial and bring myself to spend thousands on a Seiko . I'm sure the quality is there, but the half quartz, half automatic movement is also a deal killer for me. That being said, I have seen a mid-range Prospex in person (The 051 model from the sixties?) and thought it looked like quite a large step above what I'm used to from lower end Seikos. The case and bracelet were nicely done. I guess the ones for the Japanese market are much nicer than for here. So, I could see myself spending maybe $500 to $750 on one. I did enjoy your review, especially the Ferrari segment!

[@eamonnoneill3118]

Great in depth comparison. thanks so much! keep up the great work

[@dimatha7]

Is it true what mentioned about the service of Spring Drive in 20years time?

[@af22raptor23503]

Outstanding Presentation! I have a Rolex Sub that was given to me as a College Graduation Gift and it spends 99.9% of the time in my Safety Deposit Box because its a 40mm case and I am a 6 foot 2 inch 250 pound guy with a nearly 9 inch wrist. I normally wear diver watches because they are tough as a former Military guy that is still involved in tough work I need a reliable and tough watch that is why I stay with watches from Seiko, Glycine and Breitling because they have made 45-48mm case watches that are build Solid! This Seiko Prospex LX is a watch that I was not aware of but now that I am it has made the short list as the next major watch Purchase in 2020.

[@dabic3795]

Paralelle with ferrari is apsolutely perfect. Great job, sir!

[@carlvu7]

Excellent review. You are very knowledgeable. Brand recognition is so dominant in pricing. Hard to fork out that kind of money for a Seiko vs an Omega. Just like you will be willing to pay much more more for a Lexus 460 than the Toyota Land Cruiser. They are both identical cars with a different badge.

[@jlo8775]

Regardless of the Seiko’s accuracy, design or materials, the Rolex is Iconic and will always be more desirable. Sidebar: Seiko bracelet clasp design sucks.

[@singlendhot8628]

Looking back at this video, one can't help but chuckle!

[@marcs990]

Micro adjustment on a strap is now almonds a must for me after experiencing one when u can adjust it easily during the day when you’re wrist expands, so many people I see having to take off their watches during a hot sweaty day in the office n there watches r on there desks when with micro adjustment on a strap there’s no taking off n rubbing your wrist

[@shipmate3577]

Great video. Why I own 4x Seiko/Grand Seikos.

[@hectorcervantes5260]

where can I buy one I have not been able to locate it

[@mgmmaze]

I'm jealous 😂

[@mgmmaze]

Also Popeye is awesome

[@drwindsurf]

This is a fantastic video, I love your analysis, thoughtful and entertaining comparison. I agree the Seiko LX is superior to the Sub...but I wonder if it is worth more than a Seamaster? Thank you for an interesting video :)

[@DrNitin14]

I own both. My take. The spring drive is the better movement from a time keeping perspective. The Omega movement with it's anti magnetism is potentially more hard wearing. I think the finishing on the Omega is better. The Zaratsu polishing on the Seiko is great but the lines and overall shape is simple, the Omega has a beautifully complex and sculpted case and face which is multi faceted. The bracelet on the seamaster is miles better, the on the fly adjustment is superior to Seiko's, the only downside is that it is not tapered. Overall at MSRP the Omega is the better watch. It holds its value better and the QC is better (some complaints of alignment in the Seiko LX series). The Seiko is a great watch still though, I'd buy it second hand. I got both of my LXs at 55% of retail price.

[@clo2715]

At 11:45 when all three are side by side my eyes are drawn more towards the Seiko.

[@Rgunt8905]

Many would complain over a Seiko or even a Grand Seiko at $6000 but willingly will bend over for Rolex at a price tag of $34,000. Smh

[@jamesblonde2271]

No, it’s too big

[@kaczynski2333]

It's OK, little man.

[@IAmConorr]

Any video with an F1 car in it gets my like.

[@marcs990]

Why can’t Seiko just put a micro adjustment on their clasps? To me I find this a highly hidden BUT much needed upgrade, they could do it cheaply even with a stamped clasp. I have one high end watch which is the submariner and it was gifted to me from my father and it’s so so useable and is great when your wrist swells during different times of the day, you just ease it off a few notches. I missed this so much as I normally hardly ever wear the Rolex but as I see everyday in the office guys taking off their watches n rubbing their wrist then they leave, myself included, the watch on the desk to get a break from it after all the typing. When I do wear the Rolex I found myself just loosening it off a bit. It’s such a useful mod and don’t see why it isn’t a much more common feature on straps. I ended up getting an aftermarket one for my Seiko.

[@GaurangPatkar]

Both amazing watches. Still the Rolex for me if $$$ and waitlist wasn't a factor. The Rolex is just more classic in dimensions, less garish and the price difference is just 19% (For the Rolex 114060) as of October 2020.

[@evvignes]

Why would this Seiko have the Submariner, “on the ropes”, when watches as excellent as the Planet Ocean didn’t. What about other Spring Drive divers that have been available for years. This makes no sense.

[@17WinterSoldier]

I rather prefer the Omega Seamaster over Rolex or Seiko.

[@greenerick]

What you talking about Spring Drive movement more accurate longer power reserve

[@algorithm007ify]

Green Erick Seiko also has better lume than rolex or omega...I’d rather an omega over a rolex though.

[@mwirastomo]

What we have to concern is value price. With a price of rolex, they should and can produce much better spec of their watch. So I think Seiko is more serious producing a piece of watch with best spec and best value price. 👍