Is the Soulrender the BEST Melee Weapon in MWIII? | (Full Melee Breakdown)

[@CamperN00b47]

The singular ability to ignore shields is such a huge gamechanger.

[@pizzeria_mayhem8736]

"Who asked?" - Soulrender vs a shield

[@littlebadassgaming]

Dude theres like 20 counters to a shield why are you acting like its so huge.. Crossbow thermite tips Crossbow Explosive tips Thermite Semtex Drill charge Launchers The flamethrower. You must really suck at CoD if you're getting dumped on by shields.

[@landon4284]

​@pizzeria_mayhem8736 look up shield perfectionist he's countered the heavy slash with a technique

[@CamperN00b47]

@@littlebadassgaming You do realize all of those options are limited usage, right? Meanwhile this is an infinite-use secondary? Why are you assuming my skill so confidently lol.

[@ItsGarrus]

Something that can completely ignore riot shields always puts a smile on my face. Wouldn’t hate them so much if it weren’t for the coked-out Battle tortoises that pop up sometimes

[@djoc417]

This was the perfect addition to deal with Riot Shied users in S&D

[@warbeastprime1287]

Flamethrower underbarrel is underrated for shields not the best against players in general but so good against shields

[@cipherpac]

SHG is actually doing some pretty fun things with their weapons and adding interesting mechanics/quirks.

[@brizzle711]

Skill issue

[@See100FACT]

yooooo pimp can you tell me why reclusive ace gives shallow critism of cod?

[@JWBDWP2]

@@warbeastprime1287that’s what I thought too but all I did was alter their shields color

[@yasniellopez9690]

In my experience, the heavy slash perfect against any one hit kill weapon or when on low health. Since initiating the animation is near instant, you can essentially use it as a "lockout" or safety tool especially against melee users.

[@Opsraw]

Yes I believe Ace forgot to mention the "Locked in animation" time, because being shot at for 250ms with the quick slash is worse than not being shot at at all with the heavy slash if it instantly locks the enemy in

[@crimsonhunter278]

I like how the way that the character holds it is very similar to how the Energy Sword is held in Halo.

[@mercifuldeath]

Didn't even notice that haha

[@brawler5760]

Inb4 we get a blueprint that changes it into the Energy Sword

[@VoltageGP]

I've used it a ton and I love it, especially the counter to shields

[@demonicninja9321]

Makes me want a 6v6 sword fight playlist

[@Beowulf891]

Slappers only but better.

[@Plåzmahølic]

No, 1v1 jousting with the Soulrender and Motorcycle

[@Bruno-RR1]

melee fights are all about who has the better ping.

[@benheuser2267]

Honestly such fun weapon to use- I wish that had just switched the button layout. Quick slash should be your fire button and heavy should be aim down sight. I kind of need to rewire my brain a bit when using it

[@rice.flakes]

Interesting Warzone 3 stats, that I am pretty sure are true: -Heavy Swing will only execute the Finishing move from behind or the side, it will deal 150 damage to the front -If the enemy is at or below 150hp (plates broken) a Heavy swing from the front will perform the Finishing move -Note that the Finishing move KILLS the player immediately, they don't get downed even if they have a self-revive or you are playing Duos/Trios/Quads (-The Quick Swing deals 150 DMG)

[@One-Two_swift-kickbox]

Having a detached head generally leaves people dead.

[@allenmccaslin6221]

Is it better to use the Light Swing or Heavy Swing in Warzone? Also, does the Light Swing lock in the enemy in Warzone with the animation like the Heavy Swing does?

[@Uladzya]

Tonfa is still my favorite, cuz I can imagine myself as a damn Cloaker, who rushes into people like madman.

[@blackstone1a]

"Alright! The safeword is "Police Brutality!" "

[@Uladzya]

@@blackstone1a "You call this resisting arrest? WE CALL THIS A DIFFICULTY TWEAK!"

[@tairiiwilliams]

​@@Uladzya "Speak up - can't hear you!"

[@FreakinSpooky]

Inadvertently found a counter to this. If you hold a throwing knife, when someone does the heavy slash you'll immediately throw the knife right at them and kill them.

[@thomasdick6797]

Oh nice, I'll be using this info 😂

[@frazfrazfrazfraz]

Good thing riot shielders never use throwing knives :)

[@dannylion69xxx97]

Good to know, as a riot shielder I'm always running throwing knifes

[@fartmaster6977]

lmfao two contradictory statements

[@KingDropShot]

I personally prefer the karambit, but the soul render is lowkey more fun to use 😂

[@jevielelias9701]

Apart from a little problem of not being able to tac sprint for a whole second after using a throwing knife the melee is extremely fun to use, if only that bug got patched I would be using it permanently.

[@landon4284]

The riot shield can counter the heavy slash if you are higher in elevation. Like ontop of a box.

[@supaknight1855]

Soulrender is the only reason I will have a dedicated melee class - not only does it look cool but the riot shield counter is amazing

[@Angus_McWangus]

I wish you could change the map buttons on this weapon. Feels weird using left trigger for quick hits.

[@alizardwizard]

yeah i would like it a lot more if L2 was the heavy attack

[@Bruno-RR1]

Whoever worked on this melee weapon definitely do not play the game.

[@ph4tcat]

Thanks dude, I didn't know I should be using ADS to strike and attack to flex or deal with a shield. Love your vids, please keep this up.

[@Vaz_G]

I love this weapon, its so much fun to use. Though realistically i wouldnt waste my secondary slot on something just to counter riot shields. Its easier to stick them with a semtex or thermite

[@keithsplish]

I like anything that counters the Riot Shield. Typically the thermite has been my go to weapon but I'll have to check this new sword out. There's gonna be a lot of sword fighting going on. Perhaps they'll put a Soulrender only map in the play list. :)

[@dannylion69xxx97]

You're better off with semtex or thermite, a good sheilder will throw something at you as soon as you pull the sword out. However the sword is fun and super satisfying killing people with it

[@calamelli209]

For a pure melee build, I still prefer the Karambit outside of the Soulrender's ability to counter riot shields. But if I feel like melee-ing people, usually I just throw the underbarrel chainsaw onto the SVA-545 and use a mixed build that can shoot at medium range and jab the chainsaw into people close-up.

[@beachamrealtygroupllc]

Hey Ace I want to thank you so much for all you gun guides and tips on MW3. I love the dual kodachis but after this new melee gun guide I am going to switch to the soulrender.

[@salvadorreyes9120]

I’m one of the turtles who go to S&D with riot shields and I’m honestly not disappointed it’s a great counter and fun on both side 👌🏽

[@landon4284]

Throwing knife them running at you

[@jeremiahtaylor1817]

Screw you, unless you purely use secondaries (Don’t take it seriously)

[@salvadorreyes9120]

@@jeremiahtaylor1817 only melee for me broskiii 😂

[@jisholm]

You can run around with heavy attack button held down. This holds the sword up, ready to strike. I am curious what that does to the attack times etc...

[@Simok1234]

I imagine quick slash is probably still a lot faster, but it does remove the need to react in time as long as you get close enough. That might explain how I've felt like I got the upper hand using it against other melee users, I thought there was some counter mechanic or something lol.

[@Xuvier]

Sniper and Sword combo has made S&D so fun last few days.

[@GhillieMaster]

They gotta do something about the annoying delay after using equipment with the Soul Render. Every time I throw a knife or Shuriken, I cant swing or sprint for a good second or 2 and its extremely annoying. It feels really clunky. Even having Ordnance gloves doesn't help it.

[@legoshi6769]

The only Melee with it's own execution move. Heavy slash the best way to take em out.

[@RevDrTarr]

I didnt see this mentioned anywhere, maybe I missed it. You can use the melee button for the quick slash instead of using the ADS button/trigger. I could not get the hang of pulling the left teigger for a quick attack.

[@frazfrazfrazfraz]

I would have liked to see how long it takes after pressing the button for the enemy to be locked into the animation for the heavy attack If, for instance, they were locked in in 100 ms, than the heavy attack might be better in 1v1 scenarios because the enemy is forced to stop firing 150 ms earlier, which is pretty significant

[@thomasdick6797]

Yeah, idgaf if it takes 800ms to get credit for the kill, how fast before they can't do anything about it?

[@samisnotreal4360]

It makes a nice satisfying sound with the quick slash.

[@gryski]

when you do the heavy attack the enemy can’t shoot so that ttk is way off… u should use the heavy attack in 1v1s

[@mrscorpiojohnson504]

Love the idea of showing creativity in the melee department. Plus very cool that it can counter a riot shield but I wish it had a specific animation when going up against a riot shield

[@ethan3625]

Like an animation that stabs right through the shield into the stomach or chest or a stab in the spine if on the back

[@Mob-Psycho100]

The heavy slash deals critical damage to the ego of sweats which is absolutely worth the longer ttk ⚔️😎

[@Oznerol1234]

I would have loved that the heavy slash does a huge horizontal swing capable of hitting multiple ennemies. Good that it still has some use tho!

[@Volroomste_melk]

Just want to add, the heavy slash is actually very viable Yes the riot shield counter is great BUT what it also does is lock your opponent in place and cancels their inputs. Against a tonfa or a melee with really short range or slow speed, you're at a major advantage because you can usually put them in the execution animation, canceling their actions. It's also insanely good for warzone because it completely ignores the downed state and instantly kills them (you have to 2 plates or less to get the execution animation)

[@Eglaronion]

How long is the tactical Sprint time? How does it compare to the other melee weapons? You forgot to mention this in your video.

[@thomasdick6797]

Tac sprint time isn't changed by what you're holding. Only speed

[@shannonjones8877]

​@@thomasdick6797really? The meter seems to move at different speeds depending on what you're holding. If you're holding a heavier weapon and then change to a lighter weapon while the meter is refilling, it even moves backwards as if to say you get more tac sprint with the lighter weapon.

[@thomasdick6797]

@@shannonjones8877 I think you're imagining things 😂 but now I'll have to check when I get home

[@boltstriker7736]

As a main zombies player the tonfa is my favorite because it crits on the 3rd sequential hit and that makes it stand out from the others. As for multiplayer, the melee weapons all feel really similar so it really comes down to style as the defining factor, and the soulrender having a built in finisher definitely takes the style points

[@littlebadassgaming]

The shield used to do it too.

[@mcnalga]

As a zombie player as well thanks for making this Ace!

[@ringoreddo308]

I think it's already pretty easy to counter the riot shield with the semtex, thermite and drill lethals. Then there's the drill underbarrel GL. Also, you can somewhat do the same when the enemy has the shield on his back by using one of the quick executions.

[@JoIhnnyRage]

Wow, thanks for the sprint speed and tac sprint speed stats. Been wanting to know that for a while but it's not ingame.

[@Scuzz1204]

I still say that the Icepick and Kamas should have some of the lunge reduction reverted since they’ve largely just been outclassed now plus the slow swing speed

[@khayrinewton9239]

My favorite used to be the karambit until I got my hands on the soul render now it's the soul render💯

[@merlebyu1]

I am really liking the soulrender with ability to get at riot shields. I did not know the front attack works but I did know the back and when they lay down worked. I have been using at a secondary when there seems to be that annoying riot shield player or two.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

I can't get over how hard the riot shield nerfs hurt melee. I get wanting to punish riot shield speed but I feel like those speed nerfs should only be applied when using multiple primary weapons. It's hard enough to use a knife or a pistol compared to primary weapons especially on the big maps in this game. Just feels completely overkill to hurt the secondary gameplay when those players are already choosing a disadvantage with their loadout.

[@Di_D3M0N]

I had no idea how to use the quick slash 😅

[@maksimslhernault4042]

we need more ways to counter shield users that are not tacticals and lethals and seeing how this sword does that it is great too many people use it as a crutch as is

[@CalebMay-bf1ci]

U bad u cant thermite a riot shield?

[@littlebadassgaming]

Launchers Crossbow with Thermite tip Crossbow with explosive tip The chainsaw Shotguns Killstreaks Are you just bad?

[@maksimslhernault4042]

@@littlebadassgaming direct impact with launcher is blocked and if player is facing you iven splash damage is blocked if the the splash comes from the front and if they have eod say goodbye to both of your shots with it also trophies exist crossbow is useless for the most part in mp. too slow to reload shotguns with most ammo types are also blocked and didnt know about the chainsaw because i dont use that attachment slot for underbarrel stuff other than angle grips

[@maksimslhernault4042]

@@CalebMay-bf1ci i said other than tacticals and lethals or can you not read. also i run engi vest most of the time so i dont have lethals

[@T0anto]

​@@maksimslhernault4042Flamethrower and Chainsaw then They're not gonna tailor your meta playstyle to counter shields, you gotta take some off-meta options to counter then

[@Honeneko.]

I'm curious if the Heavy Slash finishing animation has priority over a normal slash. In other words, who wins in the event of melee vs melee if both are within each other's lunge range? Also, Jak Ripper went through shields while revving, if that hasn't changed. It doesn't have the lunge, so Soulrender is the better option.

[@deltafox757]

Maybe add shield penetrating ammo? With adequate drawbacks of course

[@10Bdog10]

Melee weapons only mode would be super fun.

[@alfredodiaz297]

Can you test the soulrender heavy slash on enemy juggernauts?

[@lordcrimson913]

Fought a squad of shield users on rust, they were VERY mad that I was cutting through all of them.

[@scumlord4709]

Can they just Grow TF up and make the Sprint speed the same for all the melee weapons?

[@2uhayr]

What about throwing knife melee? I constantly feel like im being "outknifed" by other melee weapons.

[@allenmccaslin6221]

I know I’m late to the conversation, but with the light slash on the soulrender, is the enemy locked in like the heavy hit? I just need to know for Warzone purposes. With the heavy hits on Warzone, after like one or two hits, the enemy not only is locked in with the animation, but is dead immediately. Is it the same for the light hit?

[@yvocarr288]

Theres apparently a bug with the soul render, Theseknivesonly realised, after throwing a throwing knife, or switching weapons, it doesnt let the player melee immediately, lost many fights because missing a throwing knife or switching weapons messes up the timing and doesnt do anything when trying to slash

[@sunderwire]

I got a Hitmarker with this sword somehow the other day…

[@yhzh2002]

If the animation lock actually happens immediately after pressing the button, it seems it could very well be optimal in situations besides riot shielders. 250ms could easily be the difference between living and dying against a guy shooting back.

[@PercahoIic]

Does the perk strong arm or sleight of hand, in warzone allow faster weapon swap and faster equipment use? Lastly, does the perk Flex make your footsteps completely silent? And if not, is there a perk that does any of these things in warzone? Thx for any info!

[@Indeficiency]

You’re an absolute demon dude. I love these videos. 🖤

[@MuscledRMHv2]

I really like SHGames' focus on delivering content the community likes. I'm still enjoying MWIII quite a lot despite SBMM at times. However, they really need the longbow. I'm having OG MW2 PTSD x 2 from it. It is so ridiculous I got 112 kills with it on Das Haus, had a 19 gunstreak with it and got killed on Karachi on a 25 gunstreak by the most ridiculous quickscope. It is unbalanced with a high TTK

[@rhythmriceisanalien5]

What if you use the heavy attack on a juggernaut? Does it make it like a 3 hit kill or something?

[@benjaminburke5697]

No mention of the throwing knife as a melee weapon? I use this on most of my classes for those high traffic doorways. Where does this stack up?

[@michaelquinones9043]

This weapon made this game fun for me again!

[@SmEiF-]

Yes period its s game changer in mp as a shield player I fully support this weapon

[@frozentiger2175]

I've literally only been using the heavy slash because it's fun to hear people on the mic get pissed about it. And yet all they need to put a stop to it is stay around teamates or use a shotty.

[@Dragoonsoul7878]

Teammates likely wouldn't react fast enough unless they are already watching, as saying "Help" is with human reaction times is over the ttk. Shotguns might work, but they have to stand out of the 2 meter range. A lot of points allow you to circumvent this. Shotty isn't a great solution for this, range is.

[@bodefosho]

IMHO the quick slash should map to the fire button and the heavy slash should map to the ADS button.

[@callofdookie1253]

Heavy Slash is a Riot Shielder's worst nightmare and I'm all for it

[@nicrowley1885]

The only time the heavy slash does not counter the riot shield is when they are prone. In that case the heavy slash just does a quick swing and does not break through the riot shield.

[@Dragoonsoul7878]

A secondary weapon that hard counters primary weapon to the point where it is now near impossible to complete some Riot Shield challenges is probably a major issue. A certain chainsaw does it better. I see this becoming a popular weapon since most people don't use secondaries.

[@davidhousley9319]

One question that you didn't answer here that I believe to be very important. How long does it take for an enemy to be "locked in" to the Heavy attack animation? Like from the press of the button, to when the enemy can no longer do anything. If it's less than 250ms then I'd think it would be the better option in those encounters where covering the distance to cut them, while they fire bullets into your chest, would leave you dead first. Whereas, if you used the heavy attack, you would prevent them from shooting while you killed them.

[@trentmontgomery4478]

I can’t test but it is faster than 250 If you pre-aim it (hold it and wait for someone to chase you around a corner).

[@Skhmt]

While it's 800ms to finish off someone with the heavy attack, how long is it to START the animation so at least that enemy can't do anything about it? And if you hold to charge, how long after you release until animation start?

[@MiguelCastro-ow5ho]

Why wasn't the JAK limb ripper part of the comparison?

[@yourgrandpabillyjohnson1888]

I haven't unlocked it yet but I think I prefer it automatically. I was using the karambit but with the nerf, and losing my range I cant with it, trying to stab people while they run away and im just poking at them them with no lunge is annoying, I need my lunge, and with the sould ender Im not losing much except .10 of tac sprint speed. but I get a better range so Im perfectly fine with this

[@jtpelli]

Heavy slash is put into play for riot shields and warzone because of armor plates

[@Tax17-17]

Been using the soul render in loaded resurgence, I find that execution on RT to be very inconsistent and the quick slash is nothing compared to the tonfa TTK

[@billwhipple9039]

I actually picture shield users using this more often than other players but many players having a load out with it specifically for when they get irritated by a shield user

[@SofaKingA]

Karambit is my fav followed closely by Soulrender. Karambit is just so fast.

[@idealysss]

Btw you can charge the heavy attack and stand next to a door anyone enters will be deleted before realizing

[@trentmontgomery4478]

Yes but you still have to release the trigger. But it’s faster than the normal slash in this specific situation.

[@elija_hernandez457]

Kinda wish they at least acknowledged the shield in the animation. First slash knocking the shield out of the way, second slash a finisher.

[@m8ksmelaf382]

I’m surprised you didn’t speak to the throwing knife nerf while using Soulrender.

[@SeriousApache]

Breacher device is my favourite melee weapon

[@mercifuldeath]

Soulrender is cool and all, but when are we getting a balisong?

[@pong86r]

4:50 i lost a knife fight last night with just that .1 ms of difference. i had the karambit and they had the gutter knife

[@spacegazette4781]

Thank you for the stats!!! Best vid.

[@ayex_88]

What about the throwing knife delay!?

[@Chodaboy65]

Can they attack you with the riot shield during the heavy attack animation? Will the shield have any affect on the heavy attack, like interrupt it?

[@TheXclusiveAce]

Nope. Once the animation begins, the shield essentially disappears and the enemy is locked into the animation

[@makatron]

Then the challenges to unlock it are fun.

[@StoicWolf75]

what are the times for starting the animation from button push and what is the time to start the animation from "pre-charging" the heavy slash? I've used the animation lock to stop people from killing me to a good degree of success, depending on if I can break their tracking on me or if they just miss their shots.

[@CalebMay-bf1ci]

It makes the riot shield useless it would be tine with quick slash only riot shield is the only counter i have to snipers there are already thermites semtex and a flamethrower why does there need to be an easy way to take out riot shields

[@glasses2831]

I’ve been using it non stop it’s so much fun one of my favorites already, but I think it’s glitched rn if you use a throwing knife you can’t run or do any actuons for a solid minute and I’m curious I heard that if you hold R2 or the fire button and go into that stance mode you get more lunge can you confirm or deny this thank you!

[@DaiTheSpy007]

The Soulrender also has a hold right trigger move also✓

[@Dmitrikrotchlikmyov]

If I miss this on battlepass will I be able to unlock it with an armory challenge? Been working too much :(

[@roberte.o.speedwagon6043]

Playing Das House 24/7 has made ke hate the Karambit so much.

[@X-Lord_Tuls_A-X__Mr-M]

Something i want to know is how much time it takes to swap to them and swap out, can u please test that ?

[@totallytips]

Whats better between the gutter knife and the karambit?

[@vitzel33]

The only thing i dont like about these gun guides, is that they dont ever really include having fun as part of the review. the soulender heavy slash is so much fun to use and is very satisfying even though it’s objectively bad. wish there were more fun builds or interesting ways to play shown off both in the gun guides and the reviews. (go for more finishing moves! They’re fun to watch!)

[@samisnotreal4360]

wait, why are the gutter knife and the karambit exactly the same

[@powerg3824]

I was surprised to see the gutter knife and karambit were the same. It seemed like the gutter knife locked on way more

[@ChristinaMagma]

Great video 👍

[@NintendoConsoleGamer]

The reason to use the heavy slash is that they can't shoot you while you're doing it, obviously.

[@icandodgebullets7869]

I hate taking my thumb off the right thumb stick to use the quick slash

[@itsacharcoalice]

Guard stance does nothing? No block?