Is The Submerged Sub Paragon Actually Good Now? (BTD6)

[@josh-gu6zi]

The decamo is extremely useful for the extremely difficult to pop, regrow fortified camo red bloon.

[@mrsquid8034]

AH!

[@clutteryguy9747]

True

[@tpfoxCastro]

I know this is satire, but the decamo is actually a negative, seeing how it removes the +damage to camo bloons from Ninja paragon as well as all other towers that deal extra damage to camos

[@ham_the_spam4423]

@@tpfoxCastro Super Monkey and Ace come to mind

[@BowlofColdSoup]

@@tpfoxCastro Decamo is only good when used with Blooncineration, given you're not using it for the Decamo properties, but the fortification stripping... sadly, there is no tower in game that strips the fortified status while keeping camo.

[@TrippyTulipz493]

If Ninjakiwi really insists on disarming the sub paragon for 10 WHOLE SECONDS during the nuke ability (which I still heavily disagree with), how about we compromise a little? Instead of completely disarming the sub for 10 seconds, it instead forcefully submerges the paragon for 10 seconds while it launches the nuke, and it cannot emerge for the duration. After the 10 seconds, the sub paragon will re-emerge if it wasn't already submerged. This won't completely disable the tower and still allows it to use its submerged radiation attack. While it still effectively disarms the sub paragon, it won't be as significant of a risk because it is able to at the very least deal some chip damage around the tower and buff nearby towers while it fires the nuke. I feel like this is a flavourful addition to the game that sort of makes sense. It's like the sub is 'acquiring' its target using the radiation sonar attack while it launches the nuke. What do you guys think?

[@thenarwhalmage]

I kind of assumed that that was how it worked already before I just tested it. It makes zero sense how it works currently.

[@anthre4366]

Up

[@fergalhennessy775]

trvthnvke

[@tpfoxCastro]

I think this would've made total sense and been the perfect change...Before they buffed the radiation damage. I still think this is a great idea, by maybe it's a little too much now? If they nerd the radiation damage just a little, I think it would still work.

[@TrippyTulipz493]

@tpfoxCastro I see where you're coming from but, this is a paragon we're talking about. Even with the new buffed radiation attack, the 10 second main attack itself is still significantly reducing it's total dps by many magnitudes, even with the buff taken into account, making it the weakest paragon by far for those 10 seconds. If Ninjakiwi really insists on disarming the sub, either reduce the duration OR at the very least let it use its alternate, vastly inferior attack mode to compensate for the massive disarm.

[@Felix-sl2hw]

Damn, the sub is still bugged to have the radiation attack even when unsubmerged (there's no animation but it still deals damage). You can see the rainbow bloons at 15:40 getting popped by this invisible attack. Not sure why this hasn't been fixed, sub paragon has been out for the better part of a year now...

[@MackanRules]

Damn you are right! I didn't even know about this lol

[@foxwhistle]

You should have tested the Paragon buff with Submarines, as thats why you would keep the Paragon submerged in the first place.

[@tpfoxCastro]

Also for the ability cooldown reduction

[@ham_the_spam4423]

imagine if he had a dozen middle path subs to bombard the boss

[@maudley]

​@@ham_the_spam4423 I think bottom path may be the better dps

[@btdoverclock]

The most useful part of submerged sub paragon is to not steal pops while pop farming for other paragons. Excellent tier 4 choice for most boss events.

[@YoshiAteTooManyYoshiCookies]

9:26 at it again I see, Mackan. Out of all the months you could do this in it just HAD to be november, huh?

[@Supersonic6427]

we need a complitation of Mackan having orgasms to BTD6

[@classical3854]

honestly, i wouldn't mind if they just made the sub do less damage as long as they give it more support abilities. a support paragon would be a really cool game changer to the game

[@classical3854]

like the sub HAS to be submerged but it gives boosts to paragons and other towers in it's range. idk, just food for thought

[@FRIDAY-lt3ei]

I think the sub paragon should be better in submerged alone, but better submerged when you have other paragons/VTSG on screen. Buff should def be map wide though

[@tpfoxCastro]

I guess you meant unsubmerged for the first sentence? Also, I think now it being global is fine, but I feel that when every tower has a paragon, global cooldown reduction will be way too much

[@PintFlinger]

Submerged NSC only has one job, not to steal pops from Flying Fortress. And they made it worse at doing that. gj Ninja Kiwi

[@ryanstephenaninon391]

7:00 you placed ability subs outside the energizer, then placed non-ability subs inside. that's so dissatisfying

[@Timmothy_plays]

I wish the Sub Paragon was better, because why make it over the Ace Paragon or Buccaneer Paragon? I have some ideas that might make it stick out~ Submerged mode should keep with the idea of the top path's Advanced Intel by having Monkey Villages gain the Sub Paragon's Radar and Effects as long as the Sub Paragon is Submerged. And also most importantly, allow it to keep attacking when using the ability! or if they insist on keeping the 10 seconds of no attacking, then a compromise could be to give it a passive synergy by having certain tier 5 big boom towers to leave puddles of fallout from their attacks during that 10 seconds. These are: Top Path Mortar Monkey "The Biggest One" / Middle Path Monkey Ace "Tsar Bomba" / Middle Path Dartling Gunner "M.A.D"

[@murphyduck]

You should try Town Center with only water towers, and maybe an Abyssal Lord

[@Itouchnograss]

I feel like to make submerged good they have to give the unsumberged horrible pierce, like its really good against bads and only one bad. But like when you send it like a billion ZOMGS, submerged is useful

[@sydneycox4769]

Literally the only purpose of submerging it is to support it just has never crossed my mind why would they even bother with the damage of the submerged attack because having the thing unsubmerged is just better in terms of damage

[@bartoclub69]

i wanna submerge under mackan's toilet bowl

[@setredid]

Dear God...

[@the_random12345]

what

[@Typingram]

What is wrong with you

[@kalleakergren37]

In which order do you place farms?

[@kvetaktroll5568]

10:24 why are the first strikes at the bottom attacking themselves?

[@ham_the_spam4423]

the missiles land right back down on top of the launching sub if they lose their target

[@kvetaktroll5568]

@@ham_the_spam4423 oh... I didn't know that... NK should make the missiles attack like Rosalia lvl.3 ability

[@gustavo7246]

Why didn’t you cross path the reactor for t1?

[@maudley]

I was also wondering this, and then saw that he did later do it, but he didn't realize that they changed it so 401 did all that 402 did while submerged for cheaper.

[@Sulfuricsoul-v6p]

bros voice is majestic

[@pietertje1176]

Still always forget it exists

[@YoshiAteTooManyYoshiCookies]

I only remembered it AFTER the last Vortex event and now we're not getting another Vortex event for me to test it against that boss.

[@tpfoxCastro]

​@@YoshiAteTooManyYoshiCookiesBoss Challenge.

[@robertironboy4121]

Longer videos?

[@mr_monkeyy2137]

MonkeRules

[@arckosX]

this video RULES

[@gen8901]

I don’t know if they did anything about it since release, but for real buff the Hero support part as well……….

[@smokey_mk2]

They did change it its rlly rlly good with adora

[@tpfoxCastro]

They changed it already, it's much better

[@gen8901]

@@smokey_mk2Didn’t even realize lmao. Thanks for the info!

[@gen8901]

@@tpfoxCastroThank you :)

[@brawlstar1748]

No Lord of the Abyss to place more subs?

[@ThatGuyDylanFR]

I just love your videos.

[@Spyingcow]

Heter du Marcus eller Markus? Eller nåt helt annat? Med tanke på ”Mackan” lol

[@Spyingcow]

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[@dominikseidens6744]

2:09 187🇩🇪

[@OrelGaming.]

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[@_wargame_]

no views in 20 seconds ? Damn...

[@HerbTheBirb1]

😑

[@gen8901]

Cringe alarm

[@lordexxotik]

If I see this comment one more time I will find you

[@Bentheman24]

Shut up bot

[@_wargame_]

@@lordexxotik Blud gonna do nothing

[@mrjigglesthethird]

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[@Bentheman24]

Shut up bot

[@A_Good_Name550]

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[@Bentheman24]

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[@mrjigglesthethird]

@@Bentheman24 u shut up

[@Bentheman24]

@ no u

[@Meop79]

Will people use a tower that is trash? No. Is the tower still trash? Yes.

[@mtggang9224]

7th

[@Татьяна-х6ф7и]

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