Is the Tech Job Market Dead in 2023?

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[@StarlynsAgency]

It used to take me 2 to 3 weeks to land a new job. This years been appliying since april and just got 1 call. One single call. 15 years of experience and hundreds of websites made... one call in 3 months

[@TranquilWanderer]

😭😭😭

[@rik9833]

man thats so fucked up, i bet they are saying you are over qualfied bullshit, i hate it man

[@StarlynsAgency]

@@rik9833 that is what am thinking but comeone I dotn care about the salary or the title just give me a job! this is crazy

[@PredatorPeyami]

that's crazy and not fair, i wish you best.

[@ceooflonelinessinc.267]

@@StarlynsAgency I am sorry to heat that. Please keep your head up and be aware that this is not by any means your fault. It is the todays oversaturated job markets fault. I know several people who have excellent degrees, work hard and try their best to find a job but dont event get an interview.

[@admiral7599]

Companies in 2021: "There's no software developers there's a huge shortage!!!" What they mean: "There's no senior software developers but we don't want to train juniors or pay seniors this much."

[@cy3889]

Just seems so tiring, completed a CS degree, 3 years, internship: 1 year, work experience: 2 years and recruiters are starting to lowball salaries for the little jobs that are out there. After 5 years of investing into my skills, it just doesn't seem worth it. Now with AI developing websites, i'm not sure the Tech market will ever go back to what it was.

[@gabrielpauna62]

what you talking about there are millions of jobs - look carefully use Dev portals not linked in or shit like that

[@lmaostrnoob]

I feel you exactly. 8 years at a software engineer just for the market to go to shit and them offer half your old salary with more experience 😂 shit ass industry

[@Kaito15132]

​@gabrielpauna62 is there any you would recommend looking into?

[@eg4933]

what you want to get paid $100k doing front-end work and half-assed javascript?? get out of here idiot.

[@manofsteel9051]

​@@lmaostrnoobgood. Tech workers have been overpaid for far too long. Enjoy minimum wage😂

[@TheJacrespo]

The market for entry-level positions is definitively broken, with several orders of magnitude more applicants than positions. This is bad news for bootcamps and other snake oil sellers. The market for senior positions is halfway to saturation, as evidenced by the way interviews are conducted, with far more stages, filters, and picky selections . So, yeap, these are hard times for those seeking employment in a broken and oversupplied IT market.

[@wouterdegruijl4303]

it has ben near impossible for me as a junior with no work experience to find a job

[@rhoynedev]

People really need to find a niche. Being a generalist 'software engineer' is cool, but there are a lot of roles out there for people with specific skills. Tons of career opportunities in the AI market with not enough people to fill roles, for example.

[@boshhh123]

@@wouterdegruijl4303 what's your portfolio looking like? If you're struggling to get a job with no work experience then it's quite simple - your portfolio is not good enough. Keep constantly improving your portfolio whilst job hunting and eventually it will be good enough to land you interviews for a junior position.

[@joecater894]

@@wouterdegruijl4303 go freelance.. convince a few with freebies.. get a portfolio going.. get more... start delivering service. Many webdev companies ...quite often in my experience they want so many skills and technologies and naturally dont expect to train anyone to aquire ANY skills in the industry... they literally have their shopping list of exact skills and want them all in order and in place right off the bat so you come through the door spinting and delivering all the productivty they want.. fair enough I suppose as business is business.. but it becomes impractical.. Maybe not the software-house types that want high level devs.. but the small scale wordpress type firms... They charge their client around 100USD(equiv)/hr. Learn just some of the tools properly and you could charge say... 50/hr.. with very acceptable results to the client... often these small webdev firms demand so many skills that effectively you become 100% of the process of their business anyway..

[@joecater894]

I would argue bootcamps are fine and dandy for someone who seriously want to be a dev.. there is nothing wrong with them. They can make you a dev. but its a journey.. you're not coming out of one and going straight into a full stack role thats for sure. but they are a stepping stone. The industry for example still isn't demanding a degree in CS (which as is case with other industries a show stopper for most..). The proper route would be a boot camp.. then some free free-lance exp.. then aim for a job. But in the beginning you need a certain amount of guidance and hand holding.

[@tomashromnik108]

I have 11 years of experience and I still get rejected because they choose another candidate. It never happened before 2023, it started happening in 2023. I got 3 job offers weekly before 2023, now I get 1 job offer a month!

[@Turnpost2552]

Then take the fing job then th are you b****ing about.

[@sunnywest28]

Wow

[@a.k.infinity1502]

And now getting an offer isn't good enough because they are rescinding offers now.

[@manofsteel9051]

Yeah, you should give up. Go into a different industry. Tech is dead

[@synen]

Senior Developer for a major cruise company, got laid off last week, first time ever. As a whole, it's pretty bad out there, got it tell it like it is.

[@Turnpost2552]

All because you got fired doesnt mean its bad out there. It orobably because you just suck.

[@cyborg9082]

Did you find work ?

[@mostofamojlish8255]

It’s hard to land a job now . I hope nobody lost there job now .

[@manofsteel9051]

Coding is piss easy. Anyone idiot can do it. Learn things that are difficult like real engineering

[@synen]

@@cyborg9082Still nothing.

[@JulioReguero]

In Silicon Valley where I live, the market for Product Designer roles is out of whack. It used to take me no more than 1-2 months passively looking for a senior position to get multiple job offers. Now you’re lucky if you get 1 job interview out of 100+ applications. Hundreds of applicants for a single job posting, which in many cases the hiring manager keeps reposting over and over.

[@hasanmahbub-ulkarim602]

Too much people are entering into tech field which is not good for everybody.

[@boot-strapper]

I used to be able to get a job in about a week, even pre pandemic. Now, per 100 applications I get maybe 1 call back, of those, I get maybe 1/10 interviews, of that I have yet to find a position. 8.5 years of experience in webdev. Very scary.

[@techcoa]

~100 applications in right now, 1.3 years of experience, and not a single call back. I have an optimized resume for ATS but I don’t do any cover letters. Do you do cover letters?

[@boot-strapper]

@@techcoa I dont generally unless I think its an exceptional fit and I want to increase my chances to the max. At this point I'm thinking I just do leetcode until my head explodes and then get into faang, since that might be about the same chances as what im doing now. I know for instance that meta will be hiring 5000 engineers over the next few months.

[@dieglhix]

@@techcoa don't waste time with cover letters, nobody reads them.

[@gabrielpauna62]

@@boot-strapper why meta why not a smaller sme ?

[@boot-strapper]

@@gabrielpauna62 Like I said, I just know meta is doing a big hiring push because of thread's success. I have no preference and am applying to chuck e cheese at this point. Just gotta pay the bills.

[@matthewsmith4162]

Awesome content Stefan

[@riacharda]

Thanks for the encouragement 🙂

[@wylelias]

Look for roles around software to get foot in the door. Support and automation roles are great for this and the pay isn’t all that bad either.

[@mfc1190]

My first gig came as a role as a research tech in a wet / dry computational biology lab. I had Linux and python experience from school and after a year and a half turned that into my first SE role. Still going strong!

[@kennethkwan8805]

I've been out of a job since last December, while trying to get my foot in the door into information technology. A lot of postings I see ask for crazy requirements and company reviews point to a lack of training or care for their entry level employees. Seems that the common strategy is to just take an entry level employee in for a year, and then swap them out for a fresh graduate. I'm trying my best to stay positive, but the scaling costs of living is quickly evaporating my optimism, given how long it has been. For anyone out there still searching, I hope you find something sooner than later, and that it's somewhere that can take your skillset to where you want it to be.

[@bhutchin1996]

I just took a regular non-tech job that was offered to me, but I'm also doing a website for a freelance client, and when I'm done with that, I'm volunteering my web dev skills to an organization. Basically, over the years recruiters and companies have been looking for developers who have built sites for others. Without that, it's nigh impossible to get a job in this field.

[@ewtwetrwerwteet]

i love development but HATE working in the field for others. they have no clue and either squeeze everyone too hard or not at all (waste resources)

[@halfbakedproductions7887]

@@ewtwetrwerwteet I'm the other way round. Absolutely hate working on code by myself or recreationally, but got along mostly alright when working as part of a team developing an actual product.

[@user-ql5jk2bt9c]

It’s not “dead” but there are many applicants per job opening, and a lot of people with experience with whom you’ll have a tough time competing with if you’re a newbie. Also, too many employers are unrealistic or take advantage of the large pool of applicants; a “junior developer” position with 2 or 3 years of experience as a requirement, as well as knowing a handful of technologies, and all of that for a rather unimpressive wage or salary.

[@llothar68]

But seriously, 2 or 3 years experience is the minimum when you just left university before you can call yourself qualified. What do people think today? THat they are specialists with 25 years age? Fuck this generation Z.

[@manofsteel9051]

Learn to weld

[@ibrahimzende6968]

I’ve applied in more than 300 companies , I did only 1 interview and it was bad , I keep trying

[@Dipj01]

Did you find one?

[@ibrahimzende6968]

not yet ... i am still learning and try to freelance@@Dipj01

[@manofsteel9051]

Give up. Tech is dead

[@limitless1692]

ibrahimzende6968 That is rockie numbers, I applied to over 900 jobs (some jobs at different companies, some jobs at the same company) Took me 12 monts. And I still did not get a job in Tech. I quited a long time ago, and moved to a different industry.

[@manofsteel9051]

@@limitless1692 what was your degree in?

[@thegixlad27]

Bruh, the entire employment industry is on the verge of collapse

[@Serensive]

It’s sad, I have no hope for humanity

[@dieglhix]

@@Serensive Same, I won't have kids

[@PredatorPeyami]

@@dieglhix my wife wants one, but i dont know really

[@pjorgensen2]

Many of my friends are going homeless or jobless. They’re all in their 20s.

[@dieglhix]

@@PredatorPeyami Be cautious, try to avoid insemination.

[@FernandoRodrigues-gr9yt]

I have about two years of experience with full-stack development, I've been jobless for 7 months, and it seems almost impossible to get a job. Every job opportunity gets hundreds of applications within 2-3 days, and even for entry-level positions there are a lot of seniors applying, things are tough.

[@looksmatteronly]

McDonald's always hiring

[@matseddyjambon]

I feel you. I applied for a job that had over 500 applicants. I just backed off and decided to look for underrated jobs.

[@looksmatteronly]

@@matseddyjambon McDonald's

[@FernandoRodrigues-gr9yt]

@@matseddyjambon yeah there's some tools like looking at Linkedin Posts instead of job openings section and look for low applicants jobs

[@davidnoble1477]

Whereabouts in America are you seeing this?

[@johndoggett4657]

Dice is a really good site. Helped me out a lot my last job search.

[@kevingrems]

Stick a fork in it. The tech job market is officially dead in 2023. No more jobs 😢

[@jidec3165]

I’m from the UK and companies here want to hire very experienced developers and pay as low as possible. I’ve have a lot of experience and just put up my CV last weekend and I’ve got a lot of calls and emails already. Employers and recruiters all search for the most experienced people first. Also, in the UK I’ve noticed not many opportunities in tech are offering sponsorships so people who have the skill and experience but not the permission to work are filtered out quickly unfortunately.

[@user-ql5jk2bt9c]

Same in the US, and probably many other countries. “Junior” dev jobs that pay $20-22 per hour, require 2/3 years of experience, knowing 2 or 3 programming languages and at least as many libraries or frameworks. Sorry, that’s not a “Junior” position! Employers know there’s a ton of solid candidates out there, they’re fully taking advantage of it.

[@cy3889]

@@user-ql5jk2bt9c they are and its saddening, it takes dedication and time to learning ALL these frameworks and languages. i was once asked to design a whole system, and build it with the features that fixed issues they were facing in the company... for an interview! lol like WTF?

[@JulioReguero]

Refuse to work for peanuts. Know your value in the marketplace and have a salary range in mind to negotiate when the opportunity arises.

[@davidnoble1477]

UK tech salaries are pretty poor at the best of times, so during a recession they're gonna be dreadful.

[@halfbakedproductions7887]

I'm in the UK and thinking about leaving the tech industry. There's very little that's truly keeping my fire going and the few things that _do_ fit that bill? Again, there are about 40m people in front of me in the queue and who already have the right experience and knowledge, whereas I'd have to work damn hard. I might become a roadman.

[@BizzaroBrainBoi]

Thank you for the optimistic video Stefan

[@StefanMischook]

No worries!

[@BizzaroBrainBoi]

@@StefanMischook Im just a noob trying to break into the industry. Ty sir!

[@matt112fly]

the job market is pretty awful right now..

[@StefanMischook]

Where do you live?

[@halfbakedproductions7887]

I'm either about to take a massive sidestep or leave tech entirely. I'm not happy with what I'm doing and want something different. It feels like the tech market is on its backside and if you've specialised in the 'wrong' thing you are screwed. Then there's AI that seems set to take over everything. In the UK we've had the same propaganda drive to get everyone into "coding" and "cybersecurity", which has absolutely saturated the bottom end of the market and diluted the talent pool for the more senior and experienced roles. Maybe it's a good time to go? I'm very fortunate in that I've worked on a number of decent projects and have non-tech transferable skills.

[@ramonsanchezperez897]

yes, my guy., honestly I will just abandon this thing, I at least I feel that all those hundreds of algos and all that math I got taught made me think very creatively but I can't be doing nothing (without a job) I will just go into the trades and try to work my way up create my own company and get a good living which is the reason why everyone is into tech nowadays anyway, funny thing is a really enjoyed learning and solving all those problems and building and reading all those project, but so goes life and so goes capitalism.

[@victorray9369]

I quit job last year and started my own business. Very difficult to get a good paying jobs now a days.

[@redpillsatori3020]

Then there are going be a bunch of people in the 3rd-world taking remote work. I'm in Philippines now and can compete by demanding a lower salary especially since I'm American and a native English speaker

[@Venturi11]

and if you can't feed your kids, don't worry about it, money isn't real. they can eat in a couple years when the job market picks up

[@hichamamroussi9087]

Any advice for a Project based interview for a Front end React role?

[@somethinginteresting01]

I would say with all certainty that the job market is over due to outsourcing! this topic is complicated but that sums it up.

[@user-pl3fh4jd4r]

Я в стране аутсорса, у нас всё ещё хуже...

[@shegade8567]

Yep. I got laid off earlier this year and the company hired a guy in Argentina to replace me for half what they were paying me lol.

[@limitless1692]

somethinginteresting01 So people who live in first word countries are screwd. It only makes sense to work as a software developer if you live in a third word country, and you pay the rent and you spend the money on your cost of living in that region.

[@jcs-wordsofexpressions6640]

How about entry level jobs for those that just graduated?

[@limitless1692]

jcs-wordsofexpressions6640 You are soo naive hoping for a job in Tech after you graduated! Think about it, if people with 5years, 10years or more of experience can not find a job!! How will a student with ZERO years of experience will ever find a job?!?! Am I right or am I right?!

[@encapsule2220]

I finally got a thru all the rounds for a job application and next step is the interview, however pay is a bit low. If interview goes well and i get an offer should I just take it and get some experience? I live in LA and their pay range 35% lower than average for the position. I'm really having a hard time deciding, I thought maybe i could just put the offer on hold for a week to see if i get any more responses from my job applications. Not sure what to do, any advice is appreciated!

[@JulioReguero]

Negotiate, counter the job offer. Be realistic. Take the job no matter what and keep looking for a job that pays you the salary you want.

[@encapsule2220]

@@JulioReguero i didnt get the job 😂, im at 250 apps and the grind is disgusting at this point but what can i do haha

[@craigwoollett2523]

thanks stefan

[@StefanMischook]

Welcome 🙏

[@Brlitzkreig]

Mr Stef I’d love to see a video on your take on AI

[@jefferymuter4659]

How long does this tend to last, curious from the perspective of someone trying to make a Jr. position and self-taught. Do I estimate for 3 months? 6 months? A year? just curious from someone with your wizened experience who has probably seen hundreds of recessions.

[@goldbrick2563]

Yeah trying to decide if i should dedicate some time to learning and how much time before jobs come back

[@cptndunsel2670]

Wondering the same thing.

[@gabrielpauna62]

juniors just arnt useful , you need to know how to work teams and pipelines , know ins and outs of systems etc , due to agile cant hand off requirments to someone who will need to bother you all day and you still must do the work , personal expirence , peace

[@jefferymuter4659]

@@gabrielpauna62 I'm curious how that applies lol. Or if that's just a passive rage comment

[@CarlosFernandez-js8yn]

@@gabrielpauna62 then how the f are we supposed to get that experience when we are not even working on the field?

[@RedJoker9000]

The issue is with online hire, you'll see something like 200+ applications and you need to show your own self off. Still, compare to those 200+ usually you are just another applications or might lack something, thus you don't get hire.

[@lonniejohnson9185]

Prior loan officer who was laid off due to the spike in rates and lack of demand. Went through a bootcamp and have a completed portfolio but still finding a hard time with get a software development job in Houston. C#, SQL, and Angular is my mix. Should i continue networking, get another degree but this one in computer science? Feedback is appreciated.

[@PredatorPeyami]

dont bother with degree its too risky

[@nightskylights]

Network every day, apply every day you already invested in a bootcamp which would teach you more practical stuff than a computer science degree. As of RIGHT NOW, a computer science degree will not make you a better candidate in this market. I think after some more months of this and you feel you can do a different job + school maybe consider a degree, but it won't guarantee you a job. Lots of people with degrees in these videos also not getting calls back Maybe, do volunteer or freelance projects to add to your portfolio in meantime as you work another job and then go from there after some months of trying this to see the school route? Just ideas

[@limitless1692]

lonniejohnson9185 Tech Industry is in the toilet... Frankly I applied to hundreds of jobs, and did not got hired. I know my stack well. You may want to pray to god, or hope for a miracle at this poit.

[@signaljobs7184]

As a recruiting company We were doing a quick search for job market analysis coming into 2024 and 2025. This was one of the better explanations as to how to understand and prepare for career moves within the next few years. Thanks for sharing 👏

[@Adam-kk7nw]

Ur causing the economy go into great depression..please bro stop

[@thewaskakashi3306]

So is this an issue that considers the us job market or is it worldwide?

[@limitless1692]

This is the end of high end jobs. Software Develpers are bocoming another slave job with bullshit pay. Hell you can make more money after doing a trade school at this point!!!! I am not even joking! I am serious!

[@Kerwell]

Entry positions are hard as fuck. I still can’t even get an interview, let alone a job. Just keep telling myself it’ll be my time, but Christ

[@boshhh123]

whats your portfolio looking like?

[@rik9833]

4:03 any idea when?

[@mova_2020]

I don’t agree w you for the most part. First, companies have laid off a lot more than what they hired during the boom! Now everyone is fearing of getting into recession and yes it will happen. I don’t understand why authorities say we are not in recession. To me is like we are already in recession since early 2022 so is almost 2 years! Not sure when this mess ends honestly. I haven’t been laid off and I have over 15 years of exp in tech and currently working at one of these giant famous companies you mentioned but things do NOT look good. I have started looking for a change in the past 6-7 months and I haven’t even gotten an interview!!! This is BS.

[@smileynasty8694]

Currently a student in cybersecurity but Im still in the beginning of my education and I’m now reconsidering switching to the medical field due to the job market becoming competitive/saturated

[@dieglhix]

CISSP ISSAP CCSP CISM here, unemployed for 4 months lol.

[@azatgaripov2380]

Try USSR

[@sjpt1434]

You became Financial Analyst :)

[@michaelovadiyah659]

I just got my first job as a WordPress programmér. It doesn’t pay very much but I figure after one year of experience that might change my entire career.

[@StefanMischook]

Bingo! You are being paid to learn! Congratulations!

[@cosmincraciun3769]

Hello Stefan! Should I learn PHP + Laravel to get a job in 5-6 months or React Js + Vue ? I have basic knowledge of front-end development and CMS platforms as Wordpress. Where do you think are better oportunities for remote entry level jobs? PS: I can take the Front-end development certification from META, maybe it can help stand out and finding React jobs. On php, I do not have a good certification option.

[@wengyin3365]

depend on luck

[@limitless1692]

cosmincraciun3769 You want to find a job in 5-6 months? Are you dreaming!!!! You may be lucky if you find a job after 5 years or 6 years. You must be an expert in this technilogies. And even then, there are no guaranties. Tech is a bulshit industry that does not guaranty job security.

[@ktils]

Yeah it's pretty bad out here.

[@DavidWallace1945]

hi , i'm a backend developer and i have a little bit skill in frotend and now i want to start freelancing as a backend developer but i can't any backend project alot of people are looking for wordpress developers or fullstack what do you recommend to me?? pls answer guys i need your guide

[@PredatorPeyami]

hello pair with some frontend guy?

[@trapbois4573]

Its like when you have a sandwich right? Sandwich needs only two slice of bread. But when u dont have 2 slices, only 1 slice then wut you du? You cut the slice of bread you have in half. That gives you half a sandwitch. You dont have the other slice, so you arent a full stack developer.

[@michelledigdecarvalhoperei144]

Serious question If money isnt the problem (i mean a huge business that will spend what it need to solve their problem fast) Why would any enterprise employe a junior dev? I just dont see a why If i am business owner and want to do X technology fast and secure i would pay a senior dev to do that Why ever a company would hire a junior dev? Becaus only de money motivator is not so convicing for me

[@davidnoble1477]

Very telling that nobody has actually come up with an answer to this.

[@igniortix]

Junior workers in general bring new ideas to the table and are more likely to adapt to new technologies and ways of doing things. They might be more enthusiastic about the job and complain less

[@AIRRAZOR44]

Jrs are relatively easy to mold & grow with the company rather than a senior who most likely hit their ceiling & may seek to rest n vest in Google or Microsoft or leave to start their own company. There are pros & cons to hiring Jrs / Srs - many seniors were fired in Big Tech over the last 4 years

[@redpillsatori3020]

Because you can hire them do grunt work, and write simple functions and APIs that Sr. devs don't want to do--often at a fraction of the cost, and especially if they are working remotely in the 3rd-world

[@rverm1000]

Seems to be alot of Java jobs in Raleigh nc. The job market seems to be picking up here in spite of what the rest of the economy is doing.

[@Viezieg]

just had a 5 hour long interview. i sure hope its alive :D

[@encapsule2220]

wtfff 5 hours? what did u do?

[@dharris6228]

What kind of interview is that

[@Viezieg]

@@encapsule2220 at first i had a conversation with the boss and then for the next 3.5 hours i spoke with the senior developer who didnt mind answering various questions about the job and coding in general and who just kept on talking and talking.

[@-Engineering01-]

​@@Viezieg did any leet code ?

[@elvissam1401]

Good luck, hope You get the job!

[@matseddyjambon]

I'm from Montreal, Canada. I finished a 3 year program in College in which I specialized myself in UX and UI design. I was kind of aware of the frenzy around this job but I never thought it was that huge when I started to apply. Since I'm a newbie in tech, I felt really stuck and I decided to put UX design aside and apply to other tech jobs. I just hope to get something at this point. I'll visit the Dice website though.

[@usmanali7702]

I'm looking to enroll in a web development graduate certificate at a college in Canada so I can move there and get a job as a fullstack developer. Is this a bad time to do it? I have two years experience as mern developer in Pakistan.

[@matseddyjambon]

As a developer, you should be safe but start applying as soon as possible@@usmanali7702

[@taizai8292]

@@usmanali7702 My son has done his BSs in software engineering from University of Toronto with a GPA of 3.5. He is looking for an entry level job since mid 2022. No success. I would suggest trying Germany with the caveat that you learn German also. The chance of getting a job and settling will be better than Canada, where the IT job market has collapsed.

[@limitless1692]

@@usmanali7702 Just don't... The Tech Industry is in the toilet right now, and with the evolution of AI Artificial Inteligence, many coding jobs will be Automated

[@tikigodsrule2317]

I figured last place to be was the silicon valley where the largest number of unemployed tech workers. were Look to small tech areas no one want to live. I was hired by Cisco in Raleigh NC. It's hard for companies to find qualified people where no one wants to live like Texas, Ohio, NC....= Less competition.

[@adrian-4767]

tikigodsrule2317 why no one wants to live in Texas?

[@tikigodsrule2317]

@@adrian-4767 hot, tornados,power outages, super high property tax , crime, ... food is great

[@adrian-4767]

@@tikigodsrule2317 wow thank you, and what's the problem with Ohio and NC? (I don't know what NC means)

[@RoninX33]

@@adrian-4767 North Carolina

[@tikigodsrule2317]

@@RoninX33 NC has Research Triangle Park or Commonly called RTP. Lots of tech there.

[@AIRRAZOR44]

It's still pretty bad for those who never held a Senior title or have less than 5 years of exp. Most job posts require .NET, Java, Python knowledge further tightening the bottleneck. Gen Z has already caught on & have pivoted companies outside of Big Tech. I expect layoffs to continue until the U.S. Fed interest rate sharply plummets Looking for local roles at smaller companies / start ups seems like the best play besides applying to fortune 500 companies

[@StefanMischook]

Chasing after the FANG jobs is fine, but why not do as you said, go for the smaller company jobs. News: 70-80% of jobs are at small businesses.

[@jonasbaine3538]

The interest rate won’t drop until major collapse. Meanwhile banks are making huge profits on high interest.

[@chacmool2581]

I see a lot of folks in the comments here suggesting AI. I am not a developer or programmer, but I do have a degree in Data Science. Don't fool themselves, AI can be math intensive, and it's not trivial math. Do you have the math (Stats, Calc and Linear Algebra) stomach for it? Coding is the wheels, mathematics is the actual engine and the fuel.

[@AIRRAZOR44]

Understanding A.I tools will be a huge requirement in the coming years much like the birth of mainstream internet in the mid 90's

[@paypalmymoneydfs]

Is Dice legit? They have way too many job postings, almost spam like

[@gronkhfp]

Dice Like the studio that makes battlefield? Nah mate

[@prophet_bestman]

Hello Uncle Stef. I really appreciate your content. However, it seems finding a job from my part of the world proves to be more challenging. I have had over 2 years of experience as a Frontend developer and I have worked with several companies and on several projects that I think should make my portfolio and resume worth the attention of a recruiter, but I don't even get invited for interview. Some say I'm looking at the wrong places that I should find Jobs within the EMEA region and stuff like that. I don't know how to go about this but it seems the rules are different here

[@StefanMischook]

First, don't give up because you already completed the hard part by getting the first 2 years of XPs. I would suggest learning some backend on the side as you continue to refine your job searching. By learning backend, you will expand the job possibilities hugely!

[@Wulk]

Welp the wherehouse I'm at is not that bad I guess 😭

[@goldie12577]

LOL

[@gordonharlow4373]

I am an older but seasoned c#, SQL Server developer. Posted my resume 4 months ago. Applied for many in so cal. CRICKETS! Perhaps AI and ML stuff, but there is a LOT of hype there. Reminds me of the late 90's. For now anyway there are virtually no software positions available. 2024 does not bode better. Maybe it is time to write a killer app and stop working for big companies?

[@AK-kq1mk]

3421 jobs that are mostly senior, fake, or from agencies... How can you say so much yet say so little. Useless

[@Turnpost2552]

Yes STEF I KNOW ENGLISH!!!!!! Soft Skills seriously.....

[@archimedesbird3439]

Yes, it is. It absolutely is.

[@danielshchyokin3047]

yes

[@onyekachiemeka6255]

C# is the King in UK

[@elite.1]

I'm learning c# now hope this is true😂 gives me hope

[@thekalakid]

Source?

[@boshhh123]

yeah and react/Vue/Angular it seems

[@edwardcasas2137]

It is a cycle, business environment is cyclical. It will be bad today and good tomorrow. It is a fact of economics.

[@itsrelativ3967]

Another oversaturated industry

[@JonathanTheZombie]

I’m a senior engineer with a CS degree. There is always demand for more CS, especially senior engineers. I think the biggest challenge is for those with bootcamp-only education, and who lack actual engineering knowledge. Sorry fellers, but web coding is extremely high level abstraction on the core technologies that software engineers build. It’s not gatekeeping, it’s an actual lack of knowledge and skill. So go learn that stuff and stack those skills! You will go so much further than the other web devs out there

[@limitless1692]

So what are you saying? Are you saying that I need to go to University to be able to qualify as a Software Engineer?

[@howtopassthat]

@@limitless1692 yes

[@JustThinkingAboutIt]

I personally believe that if you are someone who's an experienced worker and you learn how to become a coder or programmer that you will be just fine. Your work experience coupled with your new skills that you've acquired will definitely make you someone who will be in demand by many employers.

[@StefanMischook]

Well said!

[@limitless1692]

JustThinkingAboutIt I do believe too that unicorns fart rainbow farts. Is my belief true?

[@mr.random8447]

Interest are going to increase more, so its going to get worse

[@radupopescu2370]

They hired a tone of cheap wanna be developers that were made by online tutorials and don't know the basics of computer science. This is the result, all those are overloading the job market and this needs to stop. You become a software/hardware tech if you actually know what's needed at the level you're applying. I'm not worried, and neither are all those like me that own their knowledge. It's a good thing, people should do what they actually love and are good at, because it will bring the best in them.

[@jackboy2472]

Don’t hate becoming they took the cheaper route

[@radupopescu2370]

@@jackboy2472 there is no cheaper route to this. Either you have accumulated all that mandatory knowledge, or you're better off doing something you're actually good at.

[@CrisCozy]

Honestly, I’m self taught iOS dev. I stopped and started using low code no code tools and got 1 app complete in 3 days. And it works on both platforms. I’m no longer interested in applying for iOS dev jobs. I’m keeping my day job and working on a micro saas company. Here’s a quote I read recently. Emad Mostaque, founder and CEO of Stability AI, has a provocative prediction as artificial intelligence (AI) increasingly transforms our world: "There will be no programmers in five years.

[@AZ-rg3rf]

That quote is the stupidest I've read. They've been saying the same since the 1980s!

[@CrisCozy]

@@AZ-rg3rf Screen shot your comment for the future.

[@ruslan_yefimov]

American job market is ducked and that's a fact. I just have UK to compare it with - you can get 5 interviews in a day easily there.

[@fallinloveatfirstdream4222]

Whoa, hold up! Let's talk about this funky twist! So, you know what's really discouraging? The fact that the whole world is being perceived as this depends on countries in need of constant help, while countries like the US, with all their money and power, are the ones who'll supposedly lend a helping hand. But here's the kicker - the main point is, why should a single country, the US in this case, have control over the entire global financial system and dictate to others while dealing with their own centuries-old human catastrophes and bullying tendencies? It's just embarrassing to see how they come in with their haughty lectures about how a country should be run. We've transformed from zero to today's one thousand percent leave (point), and we're heading toward a future where we'll become a sea. But here's the catch, we need to take control of our future ourselves, not let others dictate our fate. So, let's not wait for others to tell us what to do. Let's shape our own future, be our own captains! 😄

[@user-ec6tc7dm4g]

Эта игра однозначно лучшая😆

[@StefanMischook]

That's what she said .... in Russian I believe?

[@francisgg7046]

There are plenty of high paying senior jobs. There are virtually no junior to mid level jobs. You're going to have to create non trivial projects in your spare time to become a senior and then get hired.

[@BrianWisti]

Plenty of *listings* for high paying senior jobs. On the senior end of things myself, and a fair chunk of those listings are placeholders that close and reopen every couple of months. But your advice still stands.

[@cy3889]

Sad but true, what a joke this industry has become

[@limitless1692]

francisgg7046 So until then I will not eat and not pay rent. And maybe after years and years of wasting my time doing this trivial projects I will still not get a job. That will be the cherry on this cake of shit hopes. I hate what Tech is, a bullshit industry with bullshit jobs.

[@SuranjanaVlogsUSA]

It’s very very bad specially for immigrants in stem

[@manofsteel9051]

Go home then

[@aaronmcquaid]

It is dead bro. Its dead and gone.

[@ohwow2074]

Learn Ruby and never get laid off

[@elite.1]

It's not that high on-demand nowadays

[@dieglhix]

survivorship bias, same was said about cybersecurity.

[@steveoc64]

With all due respect Stefan - the tech job market has not changed at all, for 40 years straight. It has been remarkably consistent. There has always been strong demand for programmers. Every single company out there is interested in finding a technical edge, and they want programmers and engineers to make it happen. There is always more demand than there are people to fill the spots. It has never dipped, and the skillset needed to work in this area has remained remarkably constant for at least 40 years. Its like Groundhog Day, every day. Then there is the secondary market that is a byproduct of tech. It's all the data entry clerks, the typists, the administrators, the support staff, the web developers, excel users, HR staff, general sales, customer support etc. For 40 years, the ratio has always been anything between 10-1, to 100-1, to 1000-1 of tail support to engineer. At least. Demand for people in this tail / support market is pretty massive, but the wages are nothing special, and the skillsets change every few years. It is cheap and fast to pump out new bodies to fit the evolving needs, because getting up to speed with the latest trends is relatively simple. Companies can ramp up quickly to fill demand, and also drop headcount quickly when it's no longer needed. This does not affect the programmer / enigneer jobs though. During a headcount downturn, what is typically happening is that a technology wave is coming to an end, so companies ramp up on programmers so they can accelerate their entry into the next wave. Demand for programmers gets stronger during this dip, whilst tail support struggle to find work. Note that "Web Development" falls squarely in this category, as does 90% of application development jobs. This is clearly whats happening now, as the "Web Development" trend is fading out to obscurity. The race is on to get with the next wave. Its interesting to note the number of comments below from a lot of ppl that have ridden the last tech wave pretty well as web developers, and are now surprised to find that there are "no jobs in tech". This is completely not unexpected.

[@elijah4840]

What are the titles of the jobs you’re referring to that don’t haven’t taken a hit?

[@limitless1692]

@@elijah4840 He is talking out of his a$$. Because he is still having a well paing job. Internet is full of this types of clowns

[@noebenjaminreynosoaguirre1565]

kotlin

[@jaymartinez311]

everybody complaining on here like this man is the portal for all our jobless frustrations but remember he is just a messenger. If you got through the recession of 2009 and spent nearly three years to get a job after, you shouldn’t be complaining. Whatever you did back than. If your to young to remember, my advice is suck it up, put on your thinking cap and have some AI sharpen your skills but I’m seeing many people in these comments trying to kill the messenger and I’m sure this person who i’ve followed for years is fine on his side 😂 so keep the complaining to yourselves! I got furloughed last year from a $97k job and I’d take a web development job for $55k doing anything right now! 500 applications, 30 interviews later and nothing. Your not a right culture fit they say but here I am. Grow thicker skin or go do something else! AI isn’t here to take our jobs, it’s here to make us more money than you could ever imagine! Think iron man with his AI. I wish you all the best. Happy job hunting 😃

[@limitless1692]

Of course Stefan Mischook is fine... He makes a ton of money selling coding course and dreams and hopes to naive individuals who think they can learn to code in 3 months and make a 300,000 salary.

[@limitless1692]

DISLIKE Where did you get the info that alot of the layofs are not programmers but that only managers got fired. Because I checked your description and you do not have the resource that you pulled this essential observation from. My hunch is that you are lying and you pulled this info out of thin air.

[@StefanMischook]

I went into a trance and spoke to my spirit guide and it informed me of the specifics of the market.