Is The Tesla MAGIC DOCK A Glimpse Into Our NACS Charging Future?

[@LeftCoastEV]

I finally managed to try out the Tesla Supercharger Magic Dock adapter at the only Western Canada location in Calgary, Alberta. Have you tried using the Magic Dock? How was your experience? Share those thoughts in the comment below.

[@westcoastbestcoast88]

The Magic Dock looks like a winning solution. Just wish there were more locations to make paying for the membership make sense.

[@LeftCoastEV]

For sure. More locations would make sense to take advantage of paying for membership and thus lowering the cost per kWh.

[@ursodermatt8809]

australia has many open to all tesla chargers. they are grossly expensive too. even to tesla drivers, which causes them to use all the "normal" EV chargers and clogging them up.

[@LeftCoastEV]

Same thing in Canada. Lots of cheaper chargers available so Tesla owners will buy an adapter and charger there for much less.

[@elizabethdabrowski8269]

Very informative video, thank you👍👋

[@LeftCoastEV]

You are welcome! Thanks for watching!

[@jonerzinger9873]

Got a nice early Christmas gift. Picked up our ID.4 the week before Christmas, the next day VW announced they were adopting NACS in 2025. Super excited about planning a road trip across Canada then. Loving the EV charging in the garage is awesome. The instant acceleration is amazing.

[@LeftCoastEV]

Congrats! The instant acceleration is amazing. I am also happy that they decided to use NACS in their vehicles which will make charging effortless on road trips. Did you install a Level 2 charger at home? What’s the max charging speed you are getting?

[@jonerzinger9873]

@@LeftCoastEV we installed a 40 amp pulsar wall box, we’re getting between 7.5 to 9 kw. Lots to learn yet still haven’t charged at a station, might pop up to Nanaimo to take advantage of the free Electrify Canada charging. :)

[@myaccount__7269]

I have the home version of this with the j1772 and it works awesome. Can charge both my cars with 1 cable set up.

[@Wiseguy1138]

I’m convinced that’s the only Magic Dock in the entire country. None exist in central Canada (Ontario). It sucks because there’s a Tesla Supercharger literally 2min from my house & it would be so convenient if Magic Dock came to that location (otherwise it’s 10min+ to the nearest CCS DC fast charger for my 2023 Soul EV). I honestly didn’t think Tesla did any of these in Canada. Weird their only one is in the middle of gas country.

[@LeftCoastEV]

There are actually two open Magic Dock locations in Ontario, one in North Bay (890 McKeown Avenue) and the other is in Deep River (33277 Highway 17). Not sure how close those locations are to you, but these were the first to open in Canada with the Calgary location being third. I also wish that Tesla would start retrofitting and opening more Magic Dock locations around the country and give people more charging choices especially in areas where other options are lacking.

[@vstromanqc]

Wow, that price is terrible. I might try it someday IF there is no other choice. We pay around 0,30c/kWh here in Qc. It cost me the last time 5.05$ for 15kWh on a 50kW charger.

[@LeftCoastEV]

Agree. Pricing is expensive but I think it will depend on province. Supercharging is much cheaper in BC for example as compared to Alberta so once they have an open Magic Dock location in BC it will be interesting to see their pricing strategy there. I would assume the same would happen in QC given how much cheaper DC fast charging is there compared to other parts of the country. Tesla has said that they base their charging rates on electricity prices in a given province and in Alberta we have some of the highest electricity prices in all of Canada.

[@Wiseguy1138]

@@LeftCoastEV I’m in Ottawa so no none of those are near me

[@LeftCoastEV]

Fingers crossed that one does open up near you in the not too distant future. However, a Canadian company has already started manufacturing a NACS to CCS adapter so you might very well have access to the Supercharger near your home very soon. You can google A2Z EV for more info.

[@brushlessmotoring]

Great video, great summary and good discussion - nicely done. New V4 super chargers will solve the cable length issue, in the meantime, park from the right if you would otherwise take two stalls, and I think it will mostly work out. 79kW is great, shame you can't precondition without getting a speeding ticket ;) $0.59 per kWh in AB if you have a Tesla or pay the membership fee, most of Canada is quite expensive for DC charging, $0.59 or $0.60, and I don't see the other providers coming in much less once they start charging per kWh too. However, in Sunny BC, it's much cheaper, mostly $0.38 max at say Merritt or Squamish, highest was $0.40 in Kamloops and Prince George, mostly $0.22 or $0.27 elsewhere and as cheap as $0.13 at the 72kW chargers in downtown (plus parking fee), or in the middle of the night at most other Vancouver Metro stations (time of day pricing). At $0.80 per kWh, like you say, you would have to use it regularly enough to justify the monthly fee, but it would only take a couple of uses per month to pay for itself at the cheaper rate. Hopefully most people's charging is at work or other cheap AC chargers - were those other chargers free to use? As a Tesla owner, I really welcome everyone to the most reliable charing network built, I hope a rising tide lifts all boats, and some of the less reliable providers up their game. I did a huge North American trip, and the Canadian leg was from Montreal to Vancouver via Jasper, it was awesome, went to Deep River ON charger just as it opened up to more cars and met some F150 and Bolt owners trying the magic dock out for the first time too, seemed to work well for CCS cars which is great.

[@LeftCoastEV]

Appreciate that you liked the video! It’s an exciting time for EV owners for sure, can’t wait until the day we will have access to the full spectrum of Superchargers without being Tesla owners. Yes, the destination chargers for both Tesla plugs and J1772 were totally free. It’s great when they provide slower charging options for those who don’t need to Supercharge. I really liked your point about how other providers need to now step up their game and offer the same reliability like Tesla does…if they don’t, I don’t mind them sinking and getting out of the DC fast charging market. Thanks for your wonderful insights!

[@burfoerste]

Hello and Happy New Year. I looked at my app as a Tesla user, and it shows $0.59/kWh at the location. Therefore, price for non-tesla users higher by 1/3. Trying to foresee a future trend when others automakers come up with their NACS/CCS1 charging infrastructure what price will be at other auto brands stations to charge.

[@LeftCoastEV]

Happy New Year! Yes, the price for CCS cars to charge is much higher than for Tesla owners. There is a monthly membership option as well, but not sure what the cost per kWh is when you are a member (I would say it probably is very close to what Tesla owners pay). It will be interesting to see how pricing will be handled when we are able to use Superchargers freely. There is no news yet, but I will make sure to do a follow up video when those prices are announced.

[@eds2697]

This is already for more then a year possible in Europe (Netherlands) and works perfect for an Opel Mokka E

[@t.d.5804]

yes, but we do not need that adapter since all cars have CCS2 over here in the EU. Japanese Chademo is dead. The US has CCS1 and the NACS (Tesla) plug. This SuC in the US has an adapter, the SuC unlocks it on demand.

[@LeftCoastEV]

EV owners in Europe always get early access to a lot of tech before we do.

[@LeftCoastEV]

Correct. Now that the Tesla charging standard has been adapted by almost all manufacturers, we will no longer have CCS in North America in a few years. They will all switch to the Tesla NACS.

[@t.d.5804]

@@LeftCoastEV wish it was true, there is no Tesla FSD here, cars cant even see speed signs, they rely on very poor map data with too many errors. Tesla software is sub par over here

[@LeftCoastEV]

That’s not good. I wonder why Tesla is lacking in the software department in Europe. Might be a regulatory thing. Here in North America we always say that Tesla software is the benchmark.

[@puffns]

When it comes to the higher charging cost you are comparing apples to oranges. It takes money (in terms of labor and material cost) to have the majic dock. Plus, if the cost is similar to a non-Tesla charging station, with the limited availability (as Supercharger locations expand I am sure the cost will come down as well) you will quickly get congestion at Supercharger locations (can you say 98% uptime?) which is not good for anyone.

[@ursodermatt8809]

there is no "magic dock" needed in australia and they still charge outrageously. and still most tesla chargers are not used that much because tesla drivers prefer the cheaper "normal" chargers. those open to all chargers are only good for an emergency.

[@jarjarbinx79]

(...I don't think they (EC) are gonna charge us 80 cents per kwh).. You're right. Electrify Canada made it 70 cents

[@LeftCoastEV]

Closest one to me in Red Deer, Alberta is $0.60/kWh. Still expensive. The one in Calgary is $0.70. Tesla just lowered their price to $0.73 at the Magic Dock in Calgary.

[@jarjarbinx79]

@@LeftCoastEV All of BC and ON Electrify Canada are now $0.70/kwh. Huge markup from $0.27/minute and price

[@LeftCoastEV]

It is. Those who are happy about the change are people with slow charging EVs who had to pay more when it was time based.

[@dougabbott8261]

Have you seen the Tesla brand adapter being available anywhere and price? Just curious how much Tesla will charge you for one of their adapters? Thanks for the vid and $.80 per Kw h compared to home charging at $.098 .Ouch

[@LeftCoastEV]

I have not seen one from Tesla themselves, but a Canadian company called A2Z EV will be launching their version soon. I have and use both of their other adapters and they work great, so I am pretty sure the NACS to CCS adapter will work well too. The A2Z EV adapter is priced right now at $270 CAD plus shipping and tax for preorders. Not bad.

[@brushlessmotoring]

@@LeftCoastEV its going to be interesting, as not all Tesla chargers can 'speak' CCS, so I don't know if they are going to sweep away the old v1 (120kW) and v2 (150kW) chargers with new V4's. That was a v3 super charger. Older chargers use CANBUS to communicate, whereas CCS uses something else (not sure what). My 2019 Model 3 needs an upgrade to use the CCS adapter and it's still not available to me, a year after it was supposed to be.

[@LeftCoastEV]

I would venture to say that once the whole network opens up to other EVs they will use the extra revenue generated to upgrade existing sites to V3 at least. Or there might be a low cost retrofit that can be done which we don’t know about to make the older stations play nice with CCS cars. Only time will tell and it’s going to be very exciting to see where and how it all goes.

[@TylerBrungardt]

No it’s definitely not the future. Thank goodness NACS alone is the future. Magic dock is just a short term bandaid

[@LeftCoastEV]

That’s what I meant…magic dock is here to show us how the future will look like charging on Tesla infrastructure minus the adapter for most of us (unless you still drive a legacy EV with a CCS port like I do). Thanks for watching!

[@rosiekong5472]

It might be expensive but you pay for Tesla reliability and uptime. I’d rather pay more and not be stranded by a non-working charger when on a road trip.

[@melvinholland9656]

With the soon to be released NACS adapter, the benefit to non Tesla EVs is access to a well run and substantial network, not the cheapest charging. As a Tesla owner I welcome all EVs as it spurs adoption. But you didn’t pay for the network, we did. So of course it’s going to be more expensive for you. Paying more for piece of mind and less range anxiety especially for new EV drivers is worth the money. If not, stay with the other problematical providers. But I also hope Tesla limits the time slow-charging vehicles like yours and Bolts can charge. Taking up two stalls and slow charging is going to cause friction.

[@LeftCoastEV]

I won’t mind paying the extra fee (as well as membership) when all the Superchargers open to us. And I will charge on them exclusively since I prefer peace of mind and a stable network. We don’t have this right now as CCS users.

[@TeslaRoadtrips]

hopefully a lot of ccs will know to park on the ends or pull throughs so they dont take up 2 spots

[@LeftCoastEV]

Let’s hope that we will all show each other courtesy ar the Supercharger once it is open to all EVs.

[@TeslaRoadtrips]

yes goes both ways. teslas shouldnt use the pull through unless needed@@LeftCoastEV

[@Resist4]

You're a bit behind in the tech. Right now almost all the major auto makers have adopted the NACS and in a year their vehicles will have those plugs. I'm sure they will then supply their past EV's with adapters, if not you can buy one. Tesla will then remove all Magic Docks because they won't be needed. And it should be expensive for any vehicle except a Tesla, because we don't want you guys taking up our spaces. Well, until Tesla can make a lot more Supercharger Stations.

[@LeftCoastEV]

I think you didn’t read the title of the video…I am well aware of the NACS future that is ahead of us and understand that existing CCS capable vehicles will be provided with adapters. This video is intended to give us CCS standard folks a glimpse into what it will be like to charge on a Supercharger in the future. Thanks for watching and your input!