Is the USA on the Brink of Another Civil War?

Vice president of George Fox Digital Dr. Brian Doak speaks with university president Dr. Robin Baker and renowned historian Dr. Allen Guelzo about the American spirit, the removal of Civil War monuments, and the prospect of a major national conflict in light of the 2024 presidential election. Why do we still see Confederate flags flying, what is really behind the erection and removal of Civil War era statues, and are the conditions right for another violent schism in our time?
Dr. Allen Guelzo: www.allenguelzo.com/
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Dr. Brian Doak: www.georgefox.edu/academics/u...
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[@jerrysams1097]

He is very educated on whats happened in our past, but out of touch with what's going on today. I will soon be 64 years old I have never saw this country so divided.

[@user-qd3pi5ji7q]

Blacks are out of control.

[@ronaldbobeck9636]

Excuse me, Vietnam veteran here, I can not even begin to share what a dumpster fire 65 to 73 was especially for those of us sent to that unjust war. We veterans were made the scapegoat for the War was the leaders went off to play golf and write books how it was the Military fault especially the junior enlisted ranks that we "lost the War " forgetting that most of our officers were incompetent droid's. I plan on cracking a brew and sitting on my front porch and watching how it shakes out.,

[@icestationzebra8636]

Agreed

[@michaelmckesson6997]

​@ronaldbobeck9636 Who are you kidding. Vietnam era doesn't have shit on the vitriol that exists currently. You currently have people saying they would EXTERMINATE their neighbors. Forget about their hate for government. Urban America, HATES Rural America , and the feeling is mutual. They'd shoot each other in face and giggle with glee as they did it. Get real pal. Their level of despise is off the charts compared to any other time in American history.

[@robertborglund5783]

Thank Fox

[@jmad627]

We’ve been in a cold civil war for several decades and only one side is doing all the fighting, and winning.

[@dks13827]

yes. and a cold war with chxna............. and we wont fight.

[@DoubleClutch18]

It’s almost time for the right to come out

[@CodyChepa88]

Come out and what ?​@@DoubleClutch18

[@mustbtrouble]

@@DoubleClutch18 ah he’s talking about the right genius

[@lordkroak6670]

The Left seems to have done more damage than the right. Ie Summer of Love, and all the looting and burning down of buildings.

[@user-xy5pv3fi9e]

Dr. Gueizo has a wonderful understanding of the past, but I don't think that he understands the way the politics of the country have divided the country in the past 20 years. I am 83, probably older than him, but I sense that he is in denial of what is going on between all strata of our society. We have reached a level of dehumanization of people we don't agree with that has divided families and destroyed friendships to an extent that I seriously doubt can be repaired. Yes, I am very concerned, and i am not alone.

[@alanaadams7440]

You are right. If the government doesn't listen to the people there could be another civil war

[@brotherbrovet1881]

Correct you are! This guy is missing what's happening outside his own area in Academia. Almost 60 here. Light Infantry veteran from a family that served Americans under arms since 1690. Our family is done serving, though. My son was the last to volunteer, God willing. My wife and I had to flee Michigan after her life was threatened for refusing to stop reporting staff for abuse and neglect as a nursing home manager long after it was clear the company, state, nobody gave a damn about elderly dying abused and neglected during the Covid lockdowns. Our five adult kids all make a good living. Four shun us. We don't see our grandsons (5 of them). Why? They were indoctrinated to HATE people like my wife and I who hold traditional Christian American values, question the government, and think critically. That's literally what happened. They went to university, and as soon as they no longer needed money from us, spit in our faces. They're incapable of reasoned arguments. They never even try to see the opposing points. It's all emotions, name-calling. Heat without any light. Their peers see no wrong in their behavior towards us. We're not drunks nor addicts and never struck our kids. As a prison minister, I literally know convicted rapists and murderers who have more visits with their kids and grandkids than we do. Frankly, it's demonic. I concurr. Not since the First Civil War have we been so divided. I remember the 70s. Hippy kids didn't disrespect their parents. Not like this. Today, if a nuke detonated here , half of America would automatically think the Permanent Federal Administrative Police State here did it, no matter any evidence. My opinion: Unless we see mass arrests and deportations; politicians arrested and charged with treason and other crimes... then it's going to get very very bloody. Where we live, we're among tens of thousands who've strategically relocated to deep red Missouri, PRECISELY because of the coming conflict. Thousands have sold everything and moved here. Millions of Americans are stocking up on ammo, food and other supplies in anticipation of the war coming. Sadly, I now understand how brothers can kill brothers, and fathers and sons can kill each other in a civil war. When a close one treats you with no dignity, it is exponentially worse than a stranger doing the same thing. A reckining is coming. Google: "Fourth Turning ". It's inevitable. May God have mercy on us.

[@owensthilaire8189]

Education is all about indoctrination now. I fully understand what you are talking about. I am mid fifties and work with a variety of people. Young, old, black and white, post secondary education and just high school. The young ones, especially the educated, have no capacity for civil argument. They are simply right and others are not just wrong, but virtually criminal in their views. Even the older educated types I've noticed, tend to take what the television and magazines tell them as gospel.

[@beng4647]

This is nothing new. We never finished the last civil war. You know that because we call it a civil war. We could have called it a revolution if we wanted to bring people together.

[@Wayne-ou5ps]

Exactly My Sentiments..

[@missmaggie5509]

We shouldn’t be fighting each other, but our own government!!!

[@FalconEagleEye]

YES YES YES

[@samlopez1013]

Agreed, yet how do You separate that?? I live here U live here. We both want something from our Govt. And so what to do?

[@user-dj4qk5jx4g]

We will fight the government in civil war, but the question is which side of government will you be on

[@danielefabbro822]

🤣🤣🤣 YOU PUT YOUR GOVERNMENT IN PLACE! First before fighting anything, what about making peace with your brain?

[@bobg3633]

Yes we shouldnt but guess what they have divided us by plan and the nex civil w***ar is coming soon. Good luck

[@TinyLuvsBostons]

George Floyd most DEFINITELY did NOT deserve a statue

[@dsoutherland1747]

Sometimes our society must act without reason to evolve. All humans deserve respect and recognition. That’s why the statue of Floyd is up. It speaks without words.

[@jl696]

He deserved more jail time.

[@EDD519]

@@dsoutherland1747 lighting trashed the first , where did it come from ? GOD ,so don`t stand to close !

[@leomarkaable1]

He died from drug intoxication multiplied by stress.

[@naomieyles210]

George Floyd was certainly not a good man, but he was killed was a state sponsored murderer. That's why the statue.

[@RogerSmith-lc9lo]

This generation can’t decide which restroom to use…….

[@craftpaint1644]

That minority of people was inaccurately represented with overblown exposure by the media and creepy politicians. The trail of invasion on privacy is also naturally sensational and monstrously poignant.

[@uglytuco3829]

And you're willing to burn the country down over it. Careful what you wish for because it ain't going to turn out the way you think it will.

[@ballisticbread]

Maybe stop paying attention to people trying to pee in peace?

[@mustbtrouble]

🤡 yet you’re the 1 worried about it

[@brotherbrovet1881]

This guy is missing what's happening outside his own Big Blue area in Academia. Almost 60 here. Retired US Army Light Infantry veteran, and retired business executive, from a family that served Americans under arms since 1690. Our family is done serving, though. We're sick of burying our fathers, sons and brothers, caring for our buddies physically and psychologically maimed by our perpetual wars. My son was the last to volunteer, God willing. My wife and I had to flee Michigan after her life was threatened for refusing to stop reporting staff for abuse and neglect as a nursing home manager long after it was clear the company, state, nobody gave a damn about elderly dying abused and neglected during the Covid lockdowns. She received not one but two Judgements in her favor as a result. Our five adult kids all make a good living. Four shun us. We don't see our grandsons (5 of them). Why? They were indoctrinated to HATE people like my wife and I who hold traditional Christian American values, question the government, and think critically, while caring more for our souls than "feelings". That's literally what happened. They went to university, and as soon as they no longer needed money from us, spit in our faces. They're incapable of reasoned arguments. They never even try to see the opposing points. It's all emotions, name-calling. Heat without any light. Their peers see no wrong in their behavior towards us. We're not drunks nor addicts and never struck our kids. As a prison minister, I literally know convicted rapists and murderers who have more visits with their kids and grandkids than we do. Frankly, it's demonic. This is how immature petty women behave, not a whole society. It's the result of the feminization of our society. Not since the First Civil War have we been so divided. I remember the 70s. Hippy kids didn't disrespect their parents and history. Not like this. Today, if a nuke detonated here , half of America would automatically think the Permanent Federal Administrative Police State here did it, no matter any evidence. My opinion: Unless we see mass arrests and deportations; politicians arrested and charged with treason and other crimes, tried, convicted and executed... yes Executed. Treasonis is a capital offense for a reason; then it's going to get very, very bloody. Where we live, we're among tens of thousands who've strategically relocated to deep red Southern Missouri, PRECISELY, because of the coming conflict. Thousands have sold everything and moved here. Millions of Americans in every state are stocking up on ammo, food, and other supplies in anticipation of the war coming. We're not crazies who moved here. Many are very well educated and came here with lots of cash, causing the first ever real estate boom here. Just call and ask any local Realtor here. Land values doubled in 3yrs. My nearest neighbor a mile away is a Texas Billionaire. All my neighbors have 7'figure net worth. I guarantee no Easterner would think that of us if they met us. Sadly, I now understand how brothers can kill brothers, and fathers and sons can kill each other in a civil war. When a close one treats you with no dignity, it is exponentially more injurious than a stranger doing the same thing. A reckining is coming. Google: "Fourth Turning ". It's inevitable. May God have mercy on us.

[@ryananderson5202]

Calm down and get off of youtube.

[@dailyqwikbytes]

You will be needed. Even if you can't take the field yourself, you can still instruct and motivate.

[@larrycox7169]

Your story is a shared family of experiences of many, if not most, Americans. We sent our children to university for education, not realizing the indoctrination occurring. Deep wounds are occurring, causing generational damage. Our family is forever broken. The warrior side of me knows the values we have lost and the cost coming to restore those values.

[@kylegeorge7929]

I feel for and agree with you. I am 21 and not gray bearded like you, i wanted to join the army when I was 17 but decided not to because I couldn't trust the leadership of it. Alot of good guys have left the army early. Alot of young guys like me are training outside the military for force on force type scenarios. It's like a instinct in us that we feel like conflict is coming, so don't be caught off guard. I see a dark future ahead. But in the long run I believe truth and Godlyness will prevail and God will once again smile over this nation (or nations). But there is alot of work ahead of us.

[@georgebrutko6467]

So, who do you believe needs to be arrested and tried for treason? Is Donald Trump at the top of that list? If not, it tells me you want to charge the wrong people for treason and not really fix the issue.

[@c.philipmckenzie]

A war for freedom? For whom? Lysander Spooner, a devout northern abolitionist was not pleased with the outcome of the war as he said, you have freed the slave and enslaved the free. Moreover, to suggest the war was about slavery is just hogwash. It was about tariffs (taxes). Lincoln merely made cyclical use of the slave issue issuing emancipation in the Confederacy, with explicit exceptions in certain areas of Confedrate territory such as Louisiana, with certain parishes under Federal control. Honestly, the myth about the civil war being primarily over slavery runs so deep it is revolting. Certainly, it was an issue and a blessing to see its hateful end, but as De Toqueville said he noticed more racism in the north than in the south as far as attitudes were concerned.

[@countrysister700]

Judge Clarence Thomas said in a forum in my Texas hometown that the first significant racism he experienced was when he left his small friendly southern hometown for college in the north.

[@stewiesaidthat]

The Revolutionary War was about the right to self-determination. The slaves were not extended that right and the north begrudgingly had to enter into an unholy alliance in order to establish a credible nation that you could defeat the British Empire. The solution the north came up with to end slavery in the south was taxes on the slaves and tarrifs on slave goods. When the south lost their fight to keep equal representation in the Senate free vs slave states and Lincoln took over the White House, the writing was on the wall for the elimination of slavery in the south. The north was fighting a civil war to keep the union together. The south was fighting a revolutionary war for the right to self-determination for what they considered the superior species. If the civil war wasn't primarily about slavery, why all onerous taxes and tarrifs on slaves. Why the requirement for equal representation between slave and free states. Why did Lincoln free the slaves in the southern states. Why the 13th Amendment? The civil war took place because the north caved into the southern states demands to continue slavery in order to establish a stronger nation that could keep the European powers out of America.

[@leipersgreen6763]

As a Tennessean of Franklin, I totally agree. This is BULLSHIT! This is why people can't stand smug academics! And no, the war WASN'T over slavery. It was over trade unions & the tariffs leived against the South to pay for 'em!!! Which is WHY the South attempted to trade directly with Europe & why the war began with the Norths blockade of Charleston, South Carolina. I mean, just listen to the way this pompous asshole talks? No wonder our universities are a joke!

[@earlputnal9124]

You also had paid slaves in the North. But the Northern slaves were treated much better than slaves in the South though.

[@thomastolbert6184]

I think racism is more in the black race than any other. I also think Obama brought it to the forefront by his actions and donations of tax money.

[@pastorwilliamhay1687]

You hit the main problem. We no longer have a Constitution if half the populace is/has destroyed it.

[@artofgloom]

I'm not going to defend the Confederacy, but there's an important point being missed in this discussion. The Confederate rank and file were fighting for states rights. A very small percentage of southerners actually owned slaves and that was the wealthy class. The average confederate soldier didn't want a domineering government interfering in their affairs. Surely it was the wealthy slave owners and traders who depended on the slave economy that were more focused on the slavery aspect of the war.

[@samlopez1013]

Yes, correct. U do understand, where most dont

[@user-dj4qk5jx4g]

Yes that's true most southern was force into the war, but if we have a civil war now, you will be forced to fight for your only state regardless of your political view or face jail or death. Same condition different Era

[@danielefabbro822]

"I'm not going to do that... *BUT* "

[@barnabasmurphy8496]

It is not about the south of the United States no. We will be fighting against the blm and antifa and even against the lbgtq rainbow pride people as well. These are the four groups there trying to get more control with help from the democrats to overthrow us. So it has nothing to do with the south of our country.

[@barnabasmurphy8496]

Woke or wake or what ever those blm and antifa or even lbgtq use of words, are trying to gain control, they are the one that we need to fight against. With prayer to fight against the evilness and wickedness people, to pray for protection and guidance, and The Lord our God will put his Judgement on them to save us Christians and our Jewish brothers and sisters and our little children and teenagers, from this outcome that is about to happen.

[@patriciamunro493]

When you get a group of people that are fighting for there families freedom that's a big motivation motivation

[@user-dj4qk5jx4g]

Yea but which side will you be on thats the question now. If it does happen, it's crazier now then back then

[@jonathans2cents258]

There’s always to sides to a story. Here is the side of most of the southern people; one day the “army” showed up and started killing and burning everything in there path. People had no idea there was a war going on. So they banded together and fought back as best as they could until the confederate soldiers showed up and explained what was going on. By then there was blood spilled. They where in the middle of a war. This is the story told to me by my great grandfather in 1964. He was 108 years old. My grandfather filled in the blanks from the story’s he heard from other relatives that was in the war.they didn’t own slaves, most southern people didn’t own slaves.

[@cameroniveson5648]

The fact that you were around to have conversations with your grandparents is so cool, fenominol

[@ldtexas1648]

You are correct about slave ownership. Some slaves sold for $800 and most people of that time didn't make that in ten years. Only the rich owned slaves.

[@Great_Olaf5]

There is at least one side to any story for every person who participated in or was affected by it.

[@sjappiyah4071]

Yeah except it was the South who attacked first beginning the civil war , not the North, so the southern perspective is not accurate. And whilst most people didn’t own slaves, slave labour benefited more than just slave owners . The businesses of cotton export , agriculture export, and many other industries that employed whites were dependent on the products brought in by black labour . Not to mention that having black people at the bottom of the social ladder, meant poor whites were seen as further above. This is why every southern state in its succession articles explicitly indicated that slavery was the reason for their succession.

[@ldtexas1648]

@@sjappiyah4071 Sources?!?

[@zebdoz333]

Well , as someone who has been to countries were a civil war is occurring, none of you want that nor need to experience such, and if you are wanting that then you have never been to war to see what another person will do to another , you don’t want that , you don’t. Think , those that call for such, use that brain you have, do not let emotions over rule your thinking , but I wonder if my words are not falling upon deaf ears

[@JaeLee83]

They’re just talking

[@jamesmccoy3326]

The civil war never ended..

[@acaydia2982]

Exactly

[@jamesmccoy3326]

Exactly what they did was made every one a slave to the USA Corp.. and British clown Corp. Check out Anna von reitz zinger .. American state assembly .. change your status to state national..

[@georgehayden4897]

The army surrendered. The CSA government did not! We in the south live in occupied territory.

[@jamesmccoy3326]

Anna von reisinger says we have all been made slaves to Britain.. forced citizens to pay to USA corp. The beast..

[@LifeSucks8]

​@@georgehayden4897 indeed we do

[@mikebelisle4896]

Back then we had men. Real men that didn't sit back and talk about shit. They got it done.

[@romannavrro6330]

they neuter us

[@erikbrantner4295]

And the opposing root cause of this knows that and is counting on it!

[@michaelsmomenton]

People against politicians

[@dougmoore8314]

I am descended from people who participated in the struggle in the civil war in the southern side. I thought a lot about that and came to appreciate Lincoln’s views.

[@cccalifornia7206]

It certainly seems that AMERICA is headed this way!!! Highly upsetting!!😨😧🙏😥

[@user-su5uf5yv1w]

Small government = Less Slavery.

[@richardhowe5583]

Forget about it ever happening in America again. Not enough people have the balls.😮

[@erikbrantner4295]

Possibly true 🤔? Who knows

[@richardhowe5583]

@@erikbrantner4295 civil unrest and civil war is two entirely different things. We will always have civil unrest in the USA because of our freedoms. If the military is not on board for a civil war there will be no civil war.. I refuse to fight the United States military. You can line up the lawmakers in Washington DC and I will fight them one by one and I am 70 years old.. I hope and I think we will work things out like we always do.. I wish everybody lots of happiness and good health.. I am moving to the Philippines in a couple months to live out my retirement mostly because of my Filipino fiance.. it is also a lot cheaper to live in the Philippines and I can live like a king on my $2,000 a month retirement.. in the USA I would be struggling in most any place I would choose to live. All My Friends are Dead and I have no family to speak of so I am better off living in the Philippines and I have good chance of finding someone that will love me the rest of my life.. I wish everybody lots of happiness and good health 😎🤗👙😁🏝️🏖️🍺🍻👍🥂🤗😎

[@JaeLee83]

Only southerners or republicans have an interest in this , it’s apart of their culture. Who exactly would they be fighting, the govt?

[@richardhowe5583]

@@JaeLee83 would be fighting a corrupt and tyrannical government.. read the Constitution closely especially the second amendment.. the founding fathers were forseeing it to possibly happen and that is one of the main reasons for the second amendment..🍺🍻😁

[@mighty_-]

@@JaeLee83 lot of problems in the government, you can't just blame republicans for talking about another civil war, if you cared about America, you'd try to solve the problem that is causing us problems, and it's the government that's causing most of it.

[@robertwunderlich9168]

The Civil War was about states, right

[@ScorpioBornIn69]

The next coming one could be between liberal and conservative states.

[@joemaloney1019]

The Bluestaters see a future Civil War as a repeat of the original Lincolns war. They think that they have the moral high ground when they don't. They think it is the North against the South when it isn't. It will be the rural center against the urban mega cities mostly on the Atlantic and Pacific coasts. The rural center commands the power grid, transportation networks, farms, power plants and half the countries population. The mega cities have none of these things but half the population crammed into urban centers with at most one weeks worth of food and fuel. The blue state politicians have spent the federal government into debt opened our national borders toman invasion of foreign invaders and allowing our enemies to organize together to seize control of the world. At a certain point the federal government becomes useless and ineffective and redstates would have to reorganize themselves into a new country.

[@JT-rx1eo]

I agree with your overall point, but I would say that the next civil war would be about the ideological Right vs Left, primarily. This is highly correlated with the coastal cities vs rural interior, blue stares vs. red, basically geography, but at the root are ideological differences.

[@joemaloney1019]

@@JT-rx1eo It may never get to that point, the Federal government has reached the event horizon of debt, it probably will not be able to climb out of it. As such the Federal services will grow weaker across a broad front and will give states a incentive toward independence. When this happens the Federal government might not be able to stop it. States leaving the union would probably leave as groups for both Commonwealth and protection.

[@JaeLee83]

You’re an insane person , any so called civil war would be right wingers fighting against the us military, most liberals don’t have the interest, appetite or cultural as gun loving republicans do.

[@BRuane-pw6xq]

Biden s Counties generate 70 pct of GDP paying Bills of weak Red Areas.

[@bobfaam5215]

@@JT-rx1eoThose in blue big cities don’t even know how to use a gun . They are soft and eff:eminate too . Lol 😂 People in Corporate jobs and desk can’t fight . Lol

[@rkitchen1967]

He's missing the point. There were and still are serious regional, cultural, religious and moral differences between different parts of the country.

[@ScottBrown-zz4sk]

🇺🇲 American citizens are outside right now fighting against the invasion of America.

[@steventaylor8918]

That invasion is part of a plot to inject this country with a population of dirt cheap laborers. Slavery never died, just transformed. Democrats haven't changed though. They still are champions of exploitation.

[@owensthilaire8189]

Wars are never as black and white as t.v. and movies would have us believe. Good and bad really depends on which side one is on.

[@patchrat1]

Humanity needs to find our common ground

[@user-dj4qk5jx4g]

​@patchrat1 we are human there is never a common ground in half the things we do

[@sdlavender]

So the Nazis were possibly ok?

[@mattwilliams3260]

Alan kept saying the war was about freedom but he never mentions the south fought for their freedom from a government they didn't agree with. Slavery had very little to do with it.

[@paladin556]

Slavery had a lot to do with it. Why the war---secession. Why secession--- slavery. Sure you could say it was economics and policies. But those were based on slavery. Now it does seem that slavery may have been working its way out and the north may have jumped the gun. But that's debatable as a "what if".

[@JT-rx1eo]

Slavery was the one issue for which if it did not exist, the civil war would not have happened. But Lincoln's primary motivation was preservation of the union, not slavery. Lincoln would have left slavery as is if the south would have voluntarily stayed in the union.

[@ExPatinUK]

The South were white ISIS. Not an army or a country, just terrorists.

[@robbrown4621]

@@JT-rx1eo I agree with you but that point became moot after Fort Sumpter. The industrial age that arrived in the 1870s would have ended slavery but our hindsight is 20/20... At least we didn't fight a second Civil war when the ladies were agitating for the right to vote! How would that have worked out? :)

[@onestarabove7027]

If you listen to recordings of Civil War soldiers, they all said it was about state’s rights. Once the slaves were freed, they were “turned out like cattle” with nowhere to go, no home, no food.

[@user-dj4qk5jx4g]

Yea look at us now in this Era Texas and Florida is using state right to defend itself since the government have fail its duty and biden government isn't happy

[@mustbtrouble]

Bro maybe bc they were recorded 50 yrs later & decided it was unpopular to say they fought for slavery. What recordings, all 5?

[@RichardTClark396]

I don’t see how it can be avoided now unfortunately

[@mc-lb9dk]

inshallah

[@boosted2022]

Unfortunately? We need some sort of revolution. Currently our country is run entirely by a corporate deep state that no one elects willingly. The WEF, the WHO, NATO and the billionaire class are doing everything in their power to crush anyone who isn’t an elite. If you can’t see that by now, I don’t know how to help you. This information is easily accessible if you simply stop watching corporate spoon fed propaganda.

[@DennisMSulliva]

@@mc-lb9dk The gods forbid.

[@michaelterry4394]

I think it is inevitable, we are divided

[@jl696]

Don't worry. The learned academics agree that it is not going to happen.

[@Cruiser777]

God help us if we do have another one, but sometimes you have to be the only way to get a tyrannical government out of power.

[@josephliptak]

The north had most of the big business and they wanted bigger federal government while the south wanted smaller state government control. That's how I see it

[@duxdawg]

That's the Truth.

[@rogueraven7603]

No one thought Rome would fall either but it did.

[@craigguilmet6282]

Many more intelligent coments in here than the academics speaking in this video!

[@michaelsmith2733]

I came to the comments 1st and agree with most of them. This will save me the time of watching the blog.

[@YourDailyHopeandEncouragement]

Hello there, this video was just recommended to me from KZbin and this was a truly amazing conversation, I've learnt alot on making sacrifices to achieve greatness, this type of self encouragement and hope is what I talk about in my channel. I have Liked and subscribed, looking forward to more videos.

[@namjamlewis1844]

I would say with all the stupidly going on it's inevitable. Regular people are getting sick of it.

[@kennethmay740]

Freedom was the rallying flag. However, money was the real reason for the war! Those that fought for the South were very few that owned slaves. But a lot of money was at issue? Go back and read the papers of the day!

[@TheWaveofbabies]

Money in slaves you mean...

[@maikgom1]

Great speaker but I don't think he is in tune with what's going on in our country right now. We are more divided than ever by many more incisive and opposing sets of values than ever in our history.

[@fasteddie9055]

I was in the military during the turbulent Vietnam War phase. Anytime that that we saw a Confederate flag it signified disrespect and animosity for the Afro American community. I've seen countless mini race riots caused by this symbol of flagrant white supremacy. This very common message is still very contemporary.

[@brianjones1151]

What the hell happened to the debate to the question on the 'thumbnail' !?!

[@user-xd4rs6vr4n]

it's a the end but it's very complacent-Boomerish

[@chetherron9566]

@brianjones1 as soon as he introduced these guys, I knew it wasn't going where I thought it would.

[@garylester3976]

The Bible says if you work for some one else you are a slave.... By force or economics its still the same thing...

[@stevenhanson6057]

It’s here already. It started in 2020, on Memorial Day.

[@dsoutherland1747]

That date seems to be known only by a group who gives it significance whereas others don’t.

[@leekasten3921]

I concur... I've been an American Patriot my entire life, 1st in my class of '71 to volunteer for Vietnam Duty, Operation: Desert Storm too. The American Revolution was a Civil War, The Democrats were responsible for The Civil War because Lincoln won the election. These are terrible times in our Republic.

[@BRuane-pw6xq]

Traitor Bigoted Southern People were responsible for the Civil War.

[@mustbtrouble]

lol , you’re a patriot but your history is quite bad if you think democrats today are the same people as in 1860.

[@matthartman7062]

During the war, Lincoln stated; “If I could end this war without freeing a single slave, I’d do it tomorrow.” He then made several other comments to this same end. Emancipation of the slaves was a strategic decision to keep Europe from joining in on the side of the Confederacy.

[@jl696]

Yeah, I was remembering this too when the professor said that Lincoln saw both emancipation and union as integral to one another. I don't think Lincoln ever though that until 1864 when it looked like the Union was winning.

[@liammccann5661]

This is not even remotely true. Yes Lincoln said that, but that was just more politicking than actual strategic thinking. Lincoln knew that the Union could never be reunified as long as slavery persisted and planned emancipation accordingly.

[@davidb2206]

True. If slavery had been the "cause," it would have been in the operations order for the Union Army in 1861 when it first invaded Virginia. It wasn't. Lincoln didn't bring up slavery until 1863 when he thought he was losing re-election and used it as a political tool.

[@debra1363]

What he said was "If I could preserve the Union by freeing every slave,I would do it.If I could keep the Union together by freeing no slaves,I would do it.If the Union could be preserved by freeing some slaves and letting others alone,I would do that".Fortunately they were all freed.

[@davidb2206]

@@debra1363 Gorbachev handled his break-up correctly without the 600,000 dead. Lincoln was a war-mongering tyrant who refused even to meet with the Peace Commissioners in 1861.

[@DakJackal_Films]

This is a wonderful and thought provoking discussion

[@joeharris3878]

It depends on how long the American state exists. Of course, given enough time, there will be another civil war. A worldwide conflict with the use of nuclear-armed weapons could break down civilzation to the extent that countries naturally break up without a classicly defined civil war.

[@dsoutherland1747]

There will be an intervention before all of that happens.

[@joeharris3878]

@@dsoutherland1747 Are you talking about God ?

[@dsoutherland1747]

@@joeharris3878 possibly

[@dsoutherland1747]

@@joeharris3878 Perhaps

[@joeharris3878]

@@dsoutherland1747 I agree.

[@Skeety08]

These old academics seem out of touch, my generation is not only more aware and talkative in matters of politics, but we are scarily becoming more and more radicalized to either end of the political spectrum so much so that I’ve noticed not only online but in person in college that if someone finds out your of a different political leaning the manner in which they treat you is with hostility, even if they know nothing of you I see this becoming more common. And let’s not forget the demographic that starts interstate conflicts such as civil wars are often the youth, and the fact that many people in my age group are increasingly acting like this makes me feel that regardless of who wins this election something will pop off, I hope more then anything that I’m wrong but I guess only time will tell In case something does happen, we had a good run guys 🇺🇸

[@user-dj4qk5jx4g]

From what i understand about the first civil war was 1. economy problems 2. State rights to do there only law 3. Culture 4. Disagreement of political views ............ isnt that what we have today in this era which getting closer to the boiling point with each passing year

[@seriouslyyoujest1771]

A Civil War of unfriending, blocking, and ignoring. For the most part, the ones that have the guns, and the permits are the ones that defend the lives of people not go out and take them randomly. At the Kentucky state fair when I attended as a vendor, you drove in to the event in your vehicle giving your tickets. Vast contrast to going to the Delmar fair in San Diego. Where are you walk through a metal detector. I told Customer about the difference, and was surprised that you could just drive in. What happens if a person had a hidden weapon? He looked at me and smiled, pointing down the aisle, “ I guarantee you that if someone pulls a weapon and tries to do harm in this aisle or this building, there are five people on this aisle right now who are carrying weapons with the open carry laws. And say a better aim the 99% of the criminals. Not only do I know it, they know it, and the criminals know it. It’s doubtful there will be any gun fire today at the Kentucky state fair”. In fact, the only injury I heard of in the building was at the animal petting zoo, which have been there for years, but it’s no longer there. The lady was taking a selfie next to the Burro, and the Burro bit her ear off. I didn’t read about a paper, and the petting zoo was history following year

[@user-dj4qk5jx4g]

Yep that's true it's the one who want to control others that is leading to the problem we have now. Control v Commen Sense

[@Kapplerartbloomingdale]

Our government needs a revamp. We need to rethink government overrule

[@revivaljim7969]

In a past life I was an old Southern farmer in 1861 telling all the young men who were going to war "turn around and go back to farming the north is going to win don't waste your time. The north wants to unite all the money.. just go back to farming.

[@mc-lb9dk]

great interview

[@Gladhandskids]

The civil war wasn't fought over slavery but over the southern states attempting to break away from the United States.A black military veteran.

[@baystreetblues]

Elimination of slavery was not the reason for the civil war. It was fought for economic reasons. Slavery was just the major factor in the economic and clearly a moral dilemma, but the North benefited from slavery as much as the South and could not allow secession.

[@approachingtarget.4503]

Hope so. Government needs a wake up call.

[@connierenna-xf9um]

The Civil War was fought over State’s’ Rights. This is extremely relevant today regarding abortion, transgender rights for children and immigration. Let’s talk about this.

[@garyhead2554]

We fought against the centralized federal government, Because we knew that no one would be set free, And that all of us would be enslaved under the centralized federal government and the centralized federal bank.

[@alhaah777]

What about discrimination versus anti-cistrimination. I still see 2 groups people in America: people try to rule over others and those who are resiliant against those people.

[@letsgobrandon7297]

Who are you talking about? Hope you’re not talking white and black. Whites are 40x more likely to be victims of hate crimes by blacks than what blacks are from whites. Many more qualified whites don’t get jobs because companies are FORCED to hire so many of each race no matter how unqualified they are and you can see it with the non progress our country made in the past 20 years.

[@michaelthomas7178]

Civil War was about freedom of oppression and taxes, and trade. Slavery had little to do with rebellion.

[@movieloverfan18]

The southern states didn't just wake up one morning and decide to secede this was discussed in the the state houses and state senates. Bills of secession were drafted and voted on. Google them and read them. They state clearly the reasons they feel they needed to secede. Count how many times the word slavery is mentioned. Lincoln campaigned only on the policy of not expanding slavery into new areas, but the newspapers in the south portrayed him as a fervent abolitionist that was going to end slavery tomorrow. Lincoln won the electoral college not the popular vote and wasn't even on the ballot in all the southern states.

[@sjappiyah4071]

Wow …surprised at the amount of comments simping for the confederacy and their narratives lol. With that said , Dr. Guelzo was a pleasure to listen to. I especially love his insights from 25:40-26:00 . Perfect amount of nuance and grace whilst still being firm on the confederacy’s evil and inexcusable defence of slavery .

[@DJ-il8iv]

Our Constitution no longer stands.

[@marcov7256]

City vs Rural, it's a different type of disagreement in modern America. Cities forcing their dogma on the non-urban. Social, religious, cultural, environmental, and political mandates attacking the "not sophisticated" per academia and political circles. The flash point will finally be the loss of legitimacy of the vote! If this is not fixed, like every other developed nation in the world, a civil conflict will occur. (Like many times before in history, the unheard masses will rebel) I sense a bit of ivory tower with two if not three in this discussion. (detached from the world outside of academia) The French suffered greatly from what current America is becoming (elite vs common man)

[@user-gj1np8zd5t]

The American civil war was at its heart about freedom. It was about the freedom of states to leave a union that o longer represented their economic interests. The Emancipation Proclamation was issed a couple of years into the war with the hope thatit would destabilize the South It did NOT FREE THE SLAVES IN THE UNION states at that time. The academicians are simply justifying the popularized position of the winning side. Monuments in the South... What is not even discussed is that nothing really changed in the zsouth until after 1965. and the enactment of the zfederal Civil Rights Act. The reason was that prior to the Civil War the South was solidly Democratic. That did not change after the Civil War.. The South remained solidly democratic and created aberrations such as Jim Crow and the KKK. THe freed sla es became sharecroppers and corporate farming employees under economic bondage and conditions no better and frequently worse than when they were valued slaves. And all under the Democratic party enabled by the pardon given the 7000 or so large plantation owners which restored their land holdings and foreclosed the promise of 40 acres and a mule to the freed slaves. In fact a pilot project of this nature run by Sherman the military governor of the 🎉Carolinas was ordered by Washington to evict the freed slaves from their farms which he did and return the land to its former owners. Small wonder that the zdemocrats want to rewrite and revise history. After the passage of the federal civil rights act the zsouth flipped from being zdemocrat to pretty much Republican which remains the case today. Ive lived in Texas Colorado Massachusetts California Nevada Louisiana and Nebraska. The people on the two coasts are culturally educationally and politically similar. The people in the South are quite distinct in their values culture and economic status from the coastal strips. There is some similsrity now between the Midwest and the South in political cultural and economic tendencies. Probably much of the similarity lies in the Midwest and South remaining highly agrarian . The South NEVER recovered fully from the Civil War. Levels of industry generally never approached that of the coastal strips and the midwest. That remains true today with the exception of Texas which oddly enough is currently in a state of open confrontation with the federal government. It is quite true that a population of civilians armed with handguns and AR15s cannot overthrow the federal government and its military. However that same population CAN render the federal governments rule quite difficult. Thru mass acts of civil disobedience passive resistance sabotage and dissension. Texas border actions supported by multiple other states is an illustration of this. The possible imminent truckers embargo of New York City is another example. Sure the New York zNational Guard. Can be mobilised and use its transportation assets to ddliver food to New York City. How cost effective would that be?

[@jamesdettlaff9415]

I approve of this message. . the truth.

[@jkairi4]

Those same Democrats or Dixiecrats, in the 60's, left the Democrat party and became Republicans.

[@dsoutherland1747]

Ya think? Human life creates havoc and then must deal with it.

[@dsoutherland1747]

@@jkairi4 my parents remained Democrats in the sixties and would never have considered deserting.

[@quinntheeskimooutdoors6234]

Thanks for sharing 😊

[@fredschaefer9200]

I have read the confederate constitution. It contains term limits and the line item veto. Both are things we’re asking for today.

[@user-wh5so3ns6b]

I'm no scholar, only an observer. My observation about civil war is not that it CREATES deep divisions in a society but is a RESULT of deep divisions within it. If there was a way to reconcile the 2 sides of a deeply divisive issue, short of war, I think that the people would MUCH prefer to go that route. Our Declaration of Independence states that people tend to suffer abuse for a time before deciding to fight back because of the serious nature of war. Of course there are always hotheads who want to fight right away because they aren't thinking things through but cooler heads prevail --- up to a point. It was this way with the Revolutionary War. It seems that while the cooler heads are seeking diplomatic means of resolving a matter, as the tensions continue to rise, the pot finally boils over in some area and sets in motion the chain of events that starts an all-out war. When that war is over it then sets in stone the view of the winning side. In the case of the American civil war, slavery was abolished in the US and the slaves were freed. That is MY simple viewpoint.

[@craftpaint1644]

"They never should have said there was a North or a South. We're all Americans." - Recollection of a Confederate veteran.

[@johnburdette1092]

CONFEDERATES WHERE NOT TRADER'S

[@movieloverfan18]

I think you mean the word traitor

[@robertposton5188]

I agree that a civil war is never been more imminent. The question is are people hurting enough economically. It must reach a flash point. It’s hard to tell when that will be but pay attention to the major blue cities and states and ask yourself if the rest of America is willing to accept this lifestyle

[@rb032682]

When one's passion is kindled by lies, it is just delusional bullsh*t!

[@derricklamoureux8100]

WE NEED AN UPDATED CONVERSATION. Take Sectionalism, look at how the country is being divided on immigration. There’s battles between states rights and federal responsibility. As well as, is the govt upholding its responsibilities to keep the states safe and prosperous?

[@user-rp5vx2pb9i]

What this guy does not address is that the simmering animosity and anger between people in blue and red states is that blue states are promoting cultural Marxism and tyranny and people in red states are promoting Capitalism and freedom. People are now moving to states they feel most compatible with to their ideology. Communism and Capitalism cannot exist in the same place at the same time, one will win over the other. I am pretty sure capitalism will not lose.

[@ArikHolmes]

This comment is refreshing. We are staring down the barrel of several factors that now have conformed into a singular issue. That is: Neo-colonialism, global corporate technocracy, intelligence/proxy wars, and global violent extremism; which now boils down to communism vs. capitalism. Most of what we are experiencing in modern life as regards the downfall of our democratic institutions, educational models, and economic prosparity are directly linked to these issues. Consequently, the people have lost their say in the matter as well, as not only is our media distorted by intelligence programs defending corporate interests as being American interests, but the candidates themselves are operating in what can only be described as Romanesque manners (Cicero is rolling in his grave as we speak.) My main concern is that we have lost, in the firestorm of contemporary issues, the core of our American identity; and it is precisely what he mentions in this video, freedom, eluthrea, the only human revolution we ever had.

[@barnabasmurphy8496]

It is about frightening against the blm and antifa and even fighting against the lbgtq rainbow pride people, they are three organizations that are ones getting help from the democrats in Washington DC. We don't want another civil war, what we want is peace and not fighting.

[@paulwingerter8267]

100% right on! It is the same Democratic Party trying to destroy this country now as it has tried since the beginning of our country and came very close from 1861-1865!

[@GlassDragon0069]

We’re stumped on history so we get stumped reaction to history because of it nice to know your informing on what we need to know

[@jbotkin47]

Great interview

[@RobertBithorn-ul4fm]

The union might have won the war but the south had less casualties. Thank you from Ex Army Veteran.

[@FooshNick064]

You can read Lincoln's first inaugural address, and he himself admits the coming war was not about slavery but preserving the union. It's amazing how historians still can't get history right.

[@Gminor7]

I wonder why the Union needed preserving? Because the slave states wanted to secede. Why? Because their slave based economy and “way of life” was illegal in the Union. It’s amazing to observe right wing fantasists’ complete lack of logic and critical thinking skills.

[@rickmcconnell5093]

You don't "preserve" a "union" at gun point. You miss the whole point of why the South went to war.

[@paulwingerter8267]

Alexander Stephens, the CSA's VP specifically acknowledged that the War was about SLAVERY and white supremacy under the guise of "States Rights"! If Slavery wasn't the issue then the slaves should have been set free immediately but it was a cash cow for hundreds of years prior from 1619 when the Black Africans were first introduced to this country. As now with the illegals working around the US having people work for pennies or back then nothing is what it was all about i..e. GREED!

[@paulwingerter8267]

If our Founding Fathers really believed in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution then Slavery should have been eradicated when our country was formed. So much for "equality for all and freedom" when millions were enslaved to keep rich white people both North and South wealthy and greedy! We went to War with Mexico in 1846-1848 at "gun point" to expand the institution of slavery to the Southwest! Lincoln did not want slavery to expand and he wanted to appease the South into staying in the Union and work on some compromise with the slave issue! He realized in 1862 that slavery was the main issue and issued the preliminary Emancipation Proclamation. Britain and France who were on the fence when it came to recognizing the Confederacy realized that Lincoln's use of Freedom for the slaves was a just cause! It didn't free the slaves in Union states that practiced it. Hypocrisy then and now! The fugitive slave laws used the point of the gun to retrieve runaway slaves! if it wasn't about slavery then why so much emphasis on keeping people enslaved? You don't preserve a country by keeping anyone enslaved except those criminals found guilty of crimes! Instead of paying blacks a fair wage and treating them with dignity and ensuring their freedoms back then just think of all the unrest,violence ,segregation, Jim Crow laws ,KKK ,death that could have been avoided then and now !

[@robbrown4621]

@@rickmcconnell5093 Yes you do and the outcome of the Southern War Against The Union proves that point.

[@geradbarkley2000]

Joe Biden removes my hope, enthusiasm, and optimism.

[@ericjones9699]

And the victors get to write the book, and every other generation throw in whatever fits the narrative of the current times.

[@DennisMSulliva]

That saying is bull. Unless the winner is somebody like Hitler, or Mao. And even then foreigners could tell the truth.

[@johnburdette1092]

My grand mother and father were born in 1875 and 1878. So, yes I have a different perspective

[@KYPopskull]

I’ve read the Confederate Constitution. Other than clarifying ambiguous language around slavery, in addition to reforming the Executive branch and Supreme Court. It’s a copy of the U.S. Constitution. I like the single six year term of the executive.

[@troybreedlove4195]

The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery it was about unfair taxes.

[@michaelterry4394]

Life is tough and even more when your STUPID!

[@jamesdettlaff9415]

Yes they wanted to tax the south because south was selling goods oversea, North wanted Cotton and other southern goods, so they started taxing the hell out of the south ,the south wouldn't play their game, So They used slavery for a reason to commit murder. And behold nothing has changed They're still doing it With america and around the world. Deep state bullshit.

[@dailyqwikbytes]

Oh really? Then 'splain why the seceding states articles of succession specifically cite it was about slavery? Fooking fool.

[@Whowhatwherewhen5]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6G9eGqpo6pqqrcsi=7dUlqSvbPkn5wniG slavery bad ...Lincoln did the right thing... not the way these "Intellectuals" speculate. Crazy dude in the video explains. Reality is more complicated than most can admit...

[@user-rp5vx2pb9i]

What does your statement have to do with the truth?

[@ricksilverstein8848]

Very wise conversation - the process of globalism is unstoppable unless you’d prefer to fish in your backyard and raise cats and dogs for your meat.

[@TinyLuvsBostons]

34:10 Hello! It’s Robert Kennedy

[@stephanarizona9094]

We are going through a Cultural CW which general precedes a Kinetic CW.

[@jackrobinson8328]

If there were, where would the battle lines be drawn.?

[@joereilly1519]

i thought the war was fought to preserve the Union, it became about ending slavery later on. If they came out with as a crusade to end slavery a lot on Union Regiments would have deserted.

[@user-mm4nd5fh3b]

Speaking of Chamberlain, wasn't he the officer the Confederates, regiment by regiment, surrendered to and stacked their arms?

[@ldtexas1648]

Theres a lot more than what is being said. I call BS on quite a few opinions on it. No mention of the price and taxes of the cotton that was shipped to England. And the REASON for "going down there and freeing the slaves" was about increasing the cost of labor to increase the price of the cotton. British East India Company was getting cotton from India. It started as a commercial war. The people in the north weren't "volunteering to go free the slaves" enmasse because most of them were drafted. No mention of the people who made LARGE profits from the "Civil War" . And then made large profits after the war by buying up land in the south for pennies on the dollar because the Southerners couldnt pay the taxes. People from up North came South with large amounts of cash in "carpet bags" to take advantage of the situation. General Grant put a stop to it for a while but his orders were overwridden from Washington. As with most wars, follow the money.

[@user-pg2nm1io9x]

"Its hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions then by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong" Thomas Sowell.

[@F_ckAllTrumpVoters]

😂😂😂😂😂 What stake does a tenured professor have?

[@williamhanna5224]

Excellent !!!

[@MrLeftlane1313]

We are the only country to war for the freedom of slavery if that's the case. The union wanted to end slavery then the should have paid the slave owners for their loss of property. Today you can't just tell a farmer or business they must give up their farm equipment or a business owner to give up their office equipment. Remember that Virginia was a huge state,territory now through secession its nowhere near its original size. Secession was common place in the 1800s.

[@rebelbatdave5993]

lincon didn't bring up fighting for slavery until he needed troops.2-3 years after the start.. and he was loosing many battle's!

[@user-tb8kd9rz8g]

We are already here

[@bucklagrim]

When I flew from one coast to the other I didn’t notice any difference…..that’s the problem, the bicoastal elites don’t have any concept of the views of those in the middle

[@musignymark]

Hogwash! The Civil War was about states rights.

[@michaelmurvihill8813]

Fascinating discussion! Concerning the remarks, there was sectionalism because the northern and southern states were established for different reasons and purposes. The southern states were much more defined by land ownership and the class system of England. The northern colonies were more attuned to biblical faith and education, which produced the profoundly productive class called "yankees."

[@davidb2206]

I don't think Lincoln thought out these consequences very well that he set in motion. I'm favoring Booth more and more as time goes by.

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

the interesting thing is that the Union Soldiers went to war to preserve the Union and when a lot of the younger and regular soldiers found out they were going for slavery they were pissed off . the same occurred with the Confederate who thought because none of this slave owners had to ..the poor and working class farming community Southerners were told they were fighting for states rights and they didn't realize they were fighting for slavery ..there's a deeper meaning to it and Robert E Lee fought for the Confederacy because he said he would never draw his sword on another Virginian General Robert E Lee hated slavery with the passion but he was a colonel with the Union Army when he resigned his Commissionand he did so with a wife and seven kids but he said he could never draw his sword on another Virginian because back then people were very state-oriented because according to the Constitution the federal government was supposed to have limited scope and Powers but it was actually Abraham Lincoln and subsequent presidents that did the worst thing by centralizing too much about Federal power and it's sad today because so many people pay attention to Federal elections and they participate in midterms and the general election but they have poorly ran states and cities because they don't pay any attention to their local political races and states

[@daqt6079]

This man will never understand the basics. We the people of the South are a different people from the people of the North. We just simply needed our own homeland. We could no longer be a colony of and live under the tyranny of the Potomac Regime. This is still true. But thankfully and as the American collapse continues we will be free of them soon.

[@johnstallings4049]

Keep fantasizing and I'll keep registering Democratic voters in swing States ok? BidenHarris2024 ❄️🌎❄️😝✌️❄️

[@Revolver1701]

Lost Cause Mythology is why slavery is downplayed in our culture. I grew up in Sumter County Georgia where Andersonville National Cemetery is located. It is now a monument to prisoners of war. The cemetery has monuments from each state to the soldiers who died there. In total 13,000 Union prisoners died there of starvation and disease. Each monument there commemorates their suffering and loss.

[@davidb2206]

The Confederate P.O.W.'s died at a HIGHER per capita rate in the northern prisons. Of course your (victor) schools have never told you that fact.

[@GregariousAntithesis]

My concern is the boarder issue it has gotten way beyond atupidly out of hand and makes zero sense the fed gov is doing nothing but promoting an open door policy. We need a closed boarder with a front door policy.

[@ryananderson5202]

I hope so.