Martin Jacques - Author of "When China Rules the World" | Thinking Existenz (5/10)

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Martin Jacques is the UK author 'When China Rules the World' and former editor of the journal 'Marxism Today'. According to Martin Jacques, the fact that China will overtake the North-American economy already in 2018, and not in 2025 as predicted a few years ago, will have a strong impact on the world as we know it. For the author of When China Rules the World, the rise of economies such as China and India, that together represent 38 percent of the world population, constitutes the biggest act of democratization of the modern world. The rise of China gives birth to a new social and economic reality. The United-States is finding it far more difficult to isolate China than it anticipated. The world is very different from what it was during the Cold War when it was divided into two sealed blocs.
Original title: Thinking Existenz - Martin Jacques
2013 © Licensed by First Hand Films
#china #foreignpolicy #USA

[@kafkakafka516]

As a Chinese person who consumes Western media, I can attest that Jacques is very accurate with his understanding of the Chinese perspective, much much more so that 98% of other western opinionators.

[@ahmedlimani3446]

of course u gonna say that mr covid 19 lol

[@Julie_Mango]

@@ahmedlimani3446 is calling someone covid 19 an insult now. Pls get off the Internet BOOMER.

[@numbersix8919]

I'll watch this video again on your recommendation. Thanks.

[@kafkakafka516]

@@ahmedlimani3446 Are you 8?

[@ahmedlimani3446]

@@kafkakafka516 what r u doing on youtube isn’t banned in wuhan ?

[@alhaah777]

The difference between China and US is that Chinese government is working for people, and American government is working for corporate group using people. That's not democracy in my opinion.

[@mysteriousstranger9496]

You must have been born yesterday.

[@Punchout101]

​@@mysteriousstranger9496Go away, fed.

[@darshanchung]

If Chinese government is working for people, why is there so much corruption?

[@danielstapler4315]

lol

[@danielstapler4315]

Those who have power and connections work for themselves and their families.

[@solosky99]

I can see that, even like Martin Jacques, almost all of them are still little arrogant. from Chinese History, they already knew no one can be ruling or at the Top of the world forever, they rised and fell multiple times, the circle is counting by 500 years. so Chinese is so calm and humble, they just went through one of the darkest time in their history. they are confident will be back to #1 in the world again and it just like before.

[@wisenber]

"they are confident will be back to #1 is the world again and it just like before." Their current demographic make up suggests more of a population collapse for half a century.

[@solosky99]

@@wisenber i don't know and I guess noone knows based on that scale of population. 1.4 billion people in one country, this never happened before in human history, right now we have two. Population in US is 400m, in total Eruope is 800m. Even they do have population collapse, and that is a big problem to lots of developed countries too. and you know what, actually it was designed over 40 years ago, since China started one child policy.

[@wisenber]

@@solosky99 Europe doesn't look much better on its aging demographics either. Japan and Korea are even worse. North America is a bit of an exception in the developed world. Meanwhile, Africa looks to double.

[@kaiyuzheng7663]

@@Phil-cl9ce The Chinese student population has huge variance. Perhaps your experience should be interpreted as the limitation of your own ability, rather than a generalisation of the Chinese as a whole.

[@thiagoribeiro021]

@@wisenber Europe has imigration to solve or mitigate this... e

[@gracc46]

Couldn't believe this was a decade ago.Absolutely spot on.

[@petergreen5337]

Yes indeed

[@Sobkow07]

What I appreciate most in Martin Jacques' considerations and thoughts is that he sees diversity and multipolarity as a great advantage for the world.

[@thierrylaval4449]

Me too.

[@thefourthrabbit9516]

Unfortunately he was wrong about China (in 2020s). If you want one defining feature of the Chinese traditional culture, it is an absolute disregard and distaste for diversity and multipolarity. The cores for Chinese culture are unification (at the cost of autonomy), "harmony" (of a hierarchical order), and singular authority. A small minority of Chinese political elites since last century have tried to overcome this narrow and out-of-date culture, to foster a new and open one. So far the prospect of such attempt is looking bleaker by the day...

[@Rapture77]

Not multipolar at all and the Chinese aren't inclusive. You have to live in Asia. Ask the Tibetans, the Uighurs, the Bhutanese, Sikkimese and ASEAN countries concerning international waters.

[@lovelife2263]

Chinese is the most racist people on earth. This author knows NOT China, let alone Chinese.

[@Chinawas]

You must not know, China has more than 7 languages with hundreds various dialects; 56 ethic groups, 18 of which have more than 1 million population each. What do you think How they unite together and how they live in harmony for hundreds of thousands years, if they have not been embracing the diversity and multipolarity ? Just FYI

[@trekpac2]

It is always a pleasure to listen to Martin Jacques. If I might add, it is very deceptive to just call the US’s system a democracy and China not so. One is better to look at how a government is fulfilling a social contract of improving the lives of the people, not just the businesses. A well-functioning democracy should provide universal health care, cheap education, good infrastructure, a safe environment (safe from guns, violence, drugs) a social infrastructure that reduces poverty and so on. In this respect, China’s full-spectrum democracy provides much better results than the US, a capitalistic system that provides democracy for the rich and for corporations, but not so much for working people. The average life expectancy in the US is now 76 years (73 for men, 79 for women), while just across the border in Canada, it is an average of 83 years now. The US’s voting system is just a sham to promote corporate interests. The studies confirm that out of the top 30 democracies in the world, the US is 28, being catagorized as a semi-democracy. Perhaps we should start defining democracy as the Chinese do, in terms of producing results❤!

[@andrewlim7751]

Accountability is one, how many officials China sent to jail and in comparison how many Americans officials were convicted.

[@platosbeard4449]

He correctly predicted the western response to China’s preeminence. The US has responded with unmitigated panic and hostility. What a shame.

[@ryanpatrick4920]

Ryan Patrick 0 seconds ago China is so competent that it even builds ghost cities and ghost towers for its huge ghost population. Those ghosts even have ghost trains on their high speed rail system. Must have built all this infrastructure for the potential babies they prevented from being born.

[@petergreen5337]

Absolutely CORRECT and true

[@Andy-P]

It's took a while for them to see the threat to the current Global system. Russian invasion and Chinese support for Russia probably the biggest wake up call. Covid the second. China's current structual problems third.

[@Destiney..]

"The west will have to learn to live in the world" Powerful statement.

[@veroniquendambo3242]

China must not forget lessons from the past. Prosperity breeds jealousy! Many countries have learnt it the hard way. According to a former head of state of an european country, europe has been the most violent and savage continent of all. The video on his statement is available on KZbin. Europeans can't and won't accept to see the world working or operating in accordance with rules written by people of other cultures. Certainly not! History has had it that they always end up forming a coalition to undermine and destroy the new and prosperous nation(s).

[@ag7075]

It is a nonsensical statement.

[@petergreen5337]

Yes indeed

[@karllarsen8797]

And the Chinese communists will have to learn like obedient students that they must abide by international rulings on the South China Sea.

[@bruce6846]

I did not realize that this video was made a decade ago. Mr. Jacques's theory has been proven right as time goes by.

[@ryanpatrick4920]

Ryan Patrick 0 seconds ago China is so competent that it even builds ghost cities and ghost towers for its huge ghost population. Those ghosts even have ghost trains on their high speed rail system.

[@fredrik3685]

Exactly my thoughts too.

[@georgesoros4223]

But if you really think about it, it seems like they are stocking up on materials for all of those stuffs for future uses .-.

[@PapiChulo-ol7je]

@@ryanpatrick4920 It’s almost like they built them for all the people who will rise from poverty in the future.

[@thomaszhang3101]

@@ryanpatrick4920 what you call ghost city is advanced planning: take a look at 10 years old reports of ghost cities and google these cities now. They have been filled

[@gregarnot5066]

One small addition to Martin Jacques’ comment that Chinese think of time differently than in the West. He was correct in every detail, but I would add The Chinese language portrays time as falling, the past is above, the future is below. “Last week” is the “upper week”, “next week” is the “lower week”. In the West we see time as walking on a horizontal path where the past is behind us and the future ahead of us

[@qiaohong14]

前年，后年。

[@user-nu6vm8rw3q]

“ Wisdom does not only rest in the West “ in fact wisdom rests with those who seek her diligently.

[@georgesfrancois2298]

Could you believed it happened 10 years ago? That's the power of wisdom👍

[@Andy-P]

China didn't overtake America in 2018 and taking over by 2025 looks highly unlikely as well. Even Chinese academics now talk of structual problems. While being careful not to criticise Xi or the CCP

[@tobiasrekker5376]

​@Andy-P China 🇨🇳 overtook the US in 2016, in purchase parity power. The US GDP is already behind China 🇨🇳. Why because the US has 33 trillion USD debts. The US is paying its own debts with its own currency, which is absolutely contrary to economy. When you pay back your loan or your mortgage, you don't make photocopy of bank notes to repay what your own the bank. That is what the US is doing. They print paper and buy goods from the rest of the world.

[@mrfong8122]

Finally some non biased talk on China by a western person thank you!

[@petergreen5337]

Yes absolutely CORRECT

[@mrfong8122]

its so refreshing @@petergreen5337

[@Qiushishuo]

China always would like to grow in peace but unfortunately someone would like to contain it.

[@lordemed1]

China wants to grow in peace according to their rules. Free nations will always unite against it.

[@bingosunnoon9341]

My thoughts exactly. The Chinese gov't is highly competent to the same degree that the US gov't is incompetent.

[@dennisduncan7561]

Uh huh.

[@mysteriousstranger9496]

Please go to China.

[@IA100KPDT]

The goal of US politician is to loot the country and using their connection to cut deals, nothing to do with improving the country.

[@yirenvivianwang7978]

The difference are Chinese government do not afraid of the rich and it own the weapon industry company but USA afraid of 1% rich including weapon industry companies. All Children are safer in China because no weapons allowed including normal low rank uniform police.

[@judyryser6489]

Why don’t you move to China then. What do you know about China expect listening to these ‘experts’ sitting in the US or the west universities campuses

[@Anders01]

Exactly. Western experts it seems to me have a way too short-sighted and naive view of China. And that's probably why they are caught by surprise again and again about the Chinese progress. There are exceptions such as former Google CEO Eric Schmidt who talked about Chinese 7nm microchip manufacturing capacity and he even mentioned 5nm. Most other western experts seem clueless to me about the actual situation and long-term strategies of China.

[@scotarekins8460]

We Africans must learn what made China to develop this much.

[@user-wz8yp3pq2l]

你们学不会的，这是文明的问题，

[@richardnovikas920]

It only took them 5,000 years.

[@mikep1831]

Finally, someone understand why the US consider China as primary challenge, not because democracy, human rights nor autocracy, but because Chinese government is competent and efficeint.

[@ProvisionalPatrioticAlliance]

Exactly. America doesn't do anything for altruistic reasons. Profits for the ruling class industry leaders is always the goal. Perpetual war is GREAT for the defense industry and hence Ukraine and the War on Terror. Coivd was GREAT for the pharmaceutical industry... hence vaccine push. Ect ect... China is a threat because its going to take from America industrial world hegemony. China gets shit done. The American elite know that American dominance is now really built on a smokescreen and lies. The west's economies are based on financial speculation... they know the west is a castle built on sand and China is not.

[@pahatpahat9566]

Well, when one can't compete at the same level, then half truths is the only weapon available!

[@ProvisionalPatrioticAlliance]

@@TL-fv5xg do you actually believe this shit or are you writing from a script.

[@YTSparty]

The US built China up. Why would they tear them down? China decided to threaten the world, notably Taiwan. That's why the West is backing off.

[@tonyfarrell2791]

Competent .... Not really .....

[@edmurks236]

Martin Jacques is a brilliant man and probably one of the very very few western analysts, historians, commentators who really understand China.

[@oneviwatara9384]

Not really hence Chinese is nationality not ethnicity so is Korean, Thai, Taiwanese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Malaysians, Indonesians, Filipinos, etc.

[@IndiAnFasod]

Yes you are right. I listened and he understood his takes on the inevitable China to take #1 position. Empire rise and empire falls. The Greeks, the Romans, the French, the Dutch, the British and now the American. They come and gone. The only empire that was strong, declined and then become strong again would be China. I think what makes China is different is the long & "constant" history. The huge land and population. The shared history and identity.

[@mikechannel5026]

he was wrong , why listen to this

[@007kingifrit]

@@oneviwatara9384 nationality and ethniity are the same thing in most countries

[@oneviwatara9384]

@@007kingifrit 😂😂

[@xenoblad]

From what I understand they have a layered form of electorism, where instead of the citizens voting for politicians at every level like in the US, the citizens vote for only the local equivalent of a mayor, and then the mayors vote for who is above them, and so on and so on. Idk if it’s better, but I can sort of see why some might find this to be better, given how larger scale elections like presidential elections are subject to more demagoguery then small scale local elections.

[@xenoblad]

@ian x I get that from a western point of view, it's a dictatorship to us, though when we use that word it has a very different meaning then when people who are in the CPC use it. They tend to mean it in the Marxist sense where all governments are dictatorships of one class over another class. The CPC would claim that all western liberal "democracies" are actually dictatorships of the capitalist class, where they claim China is under the dictatorship of the working class. The first point about the capitalist class ruling western democracies isn't a horrible point. I can see how worrisome the deep entrenchment of money is in western politics, especially in the US. The second point about the PRC being a dictatorship of the working class is something I'm more skeptical about. Though there's constant news about this or that billionaire disappearing, being executed, or being imprisoned for life. Idk how true that is, but I can never in my wildest dreams imagine a US billionaire facing execution. At most Bernie Madoff was imprisoned for life I think, but that's about it. In any case, the layered electorism seems to allow for a much more stable politics where the state can quickly enact long term policies without constantly worrying about appeasing everyone at once.

[@Henry-teach-Chinese-in-jokes]

I’ve spent about 100,000 hours studying English humor and Western culture, and about 100,000 hours studying Chinese culture. My native language is Chinese. I teach Chinese in humorous way and with cute pictures. Hope somebody recommend my videos to those who want to learn Chinese

[@jondoh9414]

I'm only half way through but already I've seen this Martin Jacques describe so many details and concepts about China that are absolutely bang on. He has an amazingly detailed and complex understanding of China, this is a very insightful video!

[@jondoh9414]

@Phil He describes how America has lots of tent cities, the highest incarceration rate in the world, slavery in its prison system, reprehensible police brutality + murder + theft, and less than 2% ever get prosecuted for murder. And that's just the beginning. Then he says, compared to all of that and more, China is all around superior. I think he's right.

[@quantumresonance8201]

China's rise is incredible! As an African, I'm so excited for the future.

[@silveriver9]

​@volker engels The China "debt trap" narrative has recently been debunked by the British Debt Justice and World Bank data. They found that African countries owe 3x more to Western banks, asset managers and oil traders than to China, and are charged double the interest. 12% of Africa's external debt was owed to China lenders, compared to 35% to Western private creditors. China has since cancelled the debt for 17 African nations.

[@silveriver9]

Rightly so! I've lived and worked in China for many years.

[@maximme]

make SURE to have Protection of National Security Law else corrupted by USD bribes, politicians can lead the nation to war , just like in Ukraine.

[@coldnoodleeveryday1879]

I'm not, as a Chinese from mainland China.

[@ohlangeni]

​@@volkerengels5298 Spoken like a true Boer Afrikaner. Very anti-African you are

[@soothsayer2406]

Thank you for this gem of truth that is frantically and hysterically denied by the west

[@donjindra]

There's no point in denying it. China is already collapsing.

[@jccapps9580]

You know nothing little buddy 😂

[@ryanpatrick4920]

Ryan Patrick 0 seconds ago China is so competent that it even builds ghost cities and ghost towers for its huge ghost population. Those ghosts even have ghost trains on their high speed rail system.

[@donjindra]

@@ryanpatrick4920 They'll fix everything with their ghost A.I.

[@rabbitazteca23]

China also does not want the country's politics to be influenced by external forces and from politicians of other countries because every country in the world has its own interests to pursue, especially since these countries are dependent on China for export. When you open your country's election of leaderships thorough democracy the greater the risk is of other countries influencing your election. This is mainly done through the media. Other countries won't even have to inject agents in China to do so. Western countries dominate social media and they can influence the people through there and that's why there is a filter on China's internet for a good reason. China wants its land, people, policies, laws, etc... to be solely administered by the Chinese without external influences and I think they are smart for doing this.

[@l.d.landau8846]

Yes, and there are only three truly independent countries in the world: USA, China, and Russia. Maybe add one more: North Korea.

[@benjamincarter6095]

It's called brainwashing, and of course you think they are wise for doing it.

[@fredtan1506]

But of course, not just China, but every country doesn’t want external “influence”in their internal affairs.

[@darshanchung]

Communism is external, isn’t it?

[@darshanchung]

There is no monolithic “western” influence, no more than there is western science or medicine or computer technology. All of humanity shares in each others ideas. Shutting off yourself from the outside is always a bad idea.

[@montumeroe9593]

Martin Jacques description of how colonialism did irreparable psychological damage to ex colonies especially in Africa and to some extent India with their obsession of being physically like the people who used to rule over them.

[@truecolor313]

Chinese population decade after decade struggles in own land and other countries for their own survival.Made them to be very hardworking and single minded people. British Japan Mongolia were aggressors and plundered the country in various means. Communism does not mean any think in their every day life. Western capitalism made Chinese ambitious but not arrogant

[@darshanchung]

Single minded about earning money at whatever cost, including producing poison food

[@xuhongmao7292]

@@darshanchungWhen it comes to produce poisonous food, the rubber barons of USA takes the cake. Pun intended.

[@darshanchung]

@@xuhongmao7292 The robber barons (not rubber!) didn't produce food, silly. Rockefeller was in oil, Carnegie was in steel, Getty was in oil, Vanderbilt was in railroads.

[@philostreet781]

Henry Kissinger: What do you think about French Revolution? Zhou Enlai: It is too soon to tell. 21:34 Epic answer! Chinese do have a sense of history that’s longer than their western counterparts!

[@darshanchung]

Why is it too soon to tell? When is it an appropriate time?

[@lordemed1]

So what? We live in the moment. This bullshit about China's long range view of history is over rated. Just ask the covid virus they released by mistake.

[@therealdeal2163]

​​@@darshanchung when France actually get equality, liberty and fraternity ...the reasons for revolution....

[@darshanchung]

@@therealdeal2163 is there ever perfect equality?

[@darshanchung]

@@therealdeal2163 has china achieved communism as set out by Marx? Has workers achieved equality? Has it eliminated the capitalists? I don’t think so, but that hasn’t stopped china from yapping about communism non stop.

[@cautiouscommenter]

Just so we all know, this interview took place some time in 2012. This according to something Mr. Jaques says at 25:08

[@slomo4672]

Thank you. Also the video is copyrighted in 2013 according to the Description.

[@panchopuskas1]

Lots have changed once 2012......especially after the covid disaster which was of Chinese origin and enormously damaging to China’s reputation as a scientific and technological power......also the demographic decline and the slowly unwinding debt crisis.....

[@netterdrachen1687]

@@panchopuskas1 from 2012 to 2022, the Chinese economy has grown from about 50% of the economy of the USA to about 75% in 2021. And the reputation of China maybe bad in the USA, but has actually been improved in the rest of the world, generally speaking. Yes China faces a lot of challenges, but when did China not? Remember Gordon G. Chang predicated that China will collapse in 2 years? That was 2009!

[@kjdtm]

and now in the future, we no China has no chance to overtake anyone soon... maybe due to Covid ?

[@cautiouscommenter]

@@kjdtm How long have you lived there? Can you share some of your personal experience with the homelessness or crime problems you've experienced in China?

[@Andrew-rc3vh]

You could see democracy in action with the covid protest. The Chinese were OK with zero covid although the longer it went on the more of a bind it became, and like very politely they came out on the streets, not to shout and scream but just to say here I am, this is my view. You will always be listened to more seriously by the government with good behaviour, and sure enough, they granted the wishes of the majority. It's like Mao said, the leader should go with the "mainstream".

[@darshanchung]

And those people who came out quietly are now being quietly arrested. The government listened , all right.

[@jem77469]

How many of those polite protesters are still around? Many have disappeared.

[@Andrew-rc3vh]

*@@jem77469 Did you know them personally? I just wonder how you can verify they have disappeared.

[@liberty-matrix]

"The number one most aspired to career in China, among young teenagers that were surveyed is an 'Astronaut'. The number one most aspired to a career in the U.S. is a 'Social Media Influencer', that is all you need to know." ~Tristan Harris

[@boris7417]

videos that tell true stories on China has far less viewers than those which smear it. I don’t know why or by whose doings… Sadly the world may suffer because of such bias !

[@suetang3258]

Sir, you're such a scholar of great wisdom and that you were the very first westerner who had the thorough insight knowledge of this country that your interpretation of its origin through which its history & culture are just so different from the Western world and of which as being a foreigner having such depth of understanding it is just so "SPOT ON"!!! Perpetual good health with LONGEVITY to you🎉🎉🎉!!!

[@ysgoh1981]

What an extraordinary and perceptive view! The West might not agree to some, if not all, but they should still pay due heed.

[@peterchen952]

Mr.Jacques is an amazing scholar. Thank you.

[@ryanpatrick4920]

Ryan Patrick 0 seconds ago China is so competent that it even builds ghost cities and ghost towers for its huge ghost population. Those ghosts even have ghost trains on their high speed rail system.

[@ongsengkee2530]

A great analyst in Martin who expounds nothing less than the truth. The west needs more people like him.

[@numbersix8919]

He's a Marxist so good luck with that. It's too late for the West I'm sorry to say.

[@ryanpatrick4920]

Ryan Patrick 0 seconds ago China is so competent that it even builds ghost cities and ghost towers for its huge ghost population. Those ghosts even have ghost trains on their high speed rail system.

[@astroganov]

When China finally takes action, many Americans and their "allies" will wonder, "Why us?" Study history, people, especially the section on the Opium Wars - everyone in China from a young child to an old man knows and remembers everything that happened back then. And it will be good for you to know too.

[@amythreemonsters1970]

I hope Japan will be the battle field if war is the only way out for Chinese, so we can pay back to their invasion in second world war! Japan hasn't learn its' lesson still !

[@00Julian00]

​​@@amythreemonsters1970'm korean and while i'm certainly not a fan of what Imperial japan did to china korea and many parts of asia...this seems just wrong. Although nobody is truly guilt free. ...civilians are still civilians. Don't be worse be better

[@amythreemonsters1970]

@@00Julian00 That's why I can not work in the government😂. Can not keep my Cool!😂😂😂

[@astroganov]

@Phil that's what I'm talking about: you are trying to convince yourself that opium wars were not a genocide, but a minor deal. Haha. Okay. You definitely will be the one who'll ask "why us?”. At that time Europeans were doing the same all around the globe: Africa, India, China and South East Asia, Australia and Americans continents - slavery, genocide, mass assassinations, looting. It's time to pay the bills.

[@jmaddalena42]

@Phil You're spot on.

[@fredtan1506]

To paraphrase Brian Berletic: “it’s ok (for US) not be no. 1”. So true. Qataris don’t complain being no. 9 richest in the world.

[@rhodiamann9057]

I live in Kenya and am an expert on the cukture of one of our pastoralist tribes. Two years ago a large group of Chinese university students came to my home. What could I teach them of Samburu culture that they could take back to China. It was an astonishing point of view and I was tremendously impressed. Yes .... we have much to learn from China.

[@Tempest-Proteus]

One of the chinese uniqueness is their sense of practicality is extreme. This can be seen in reality. Generally, Chinese people can live anywhere in the world under any school of thought or school of hard-knocks or anything. Their civilization has gone through I think anything life has thrown at them. Its like in their DNA and with Confucianism thats been their crux and balance.

[@versaleyang]

@@Tempest-Proteus You can see that everywhere in the world, wherever Chinese people emigrate to, they are always willing to learn the foreign language as well as they can, they are always interested in learning their customs and cultures and to a certain extent to absorb them and make them their own. They are highly practical and adaptable, less self centered and are more open to new environments and changes, more empathetic to differences and judge less than most other cultures.

[@joelhansen8649]

The Chinese are simply playing you !

[@sheltonnthaks7689]

@@joelhansen8649 you mad?

[@foodparadise5792]

@@sheltonnthaks7689 I was reading these nice comments and surprise no Chinese haters in the propagandized part of world and there is one.

[@silveriver9]

Martin is a great source of insight.

[@NickApex]

Martin willfully ignores every metric and substantive fact that would provide a balanced overview.

[@raymonddon8875]

smart man

[@raymonddon8875]

amen

[@tomhiggins9242]

@@NickApex Nick could you please give examples of these? Thanks

[@NickApex]

@@tomhiggins9242 sure what would we like to speak about? Picking a topic would be nice so I don’t just dump my personal opinions but rather can focus on a topic of interest we mutually share. Economics, demographics, consolidation of power, crimes against humanity, the money supply, technological futures, any of those I can focus on.

[@NedBoukharine]

Deep deep objective thinking. This is the first westerner I witness talking objectively with such knowledge about China and its civilization. Very enjoyable listening to this interview.

[@darshanchung]

In what way is it knowledgeable?

[@fuyimpoon8095]

The West understands too little about China. So the misjudgements the wrong strategy towards China. To understand China, one must understand how Confucianism shapes us how we conduct ourselves as a man and how we conduct as a nation. Confucius says, tien xa wei kung, that means the world belongs to each of us, we are from four seas (different places) but we are all brothers. Compare this to what Xi says the Shared Destiny of Humanity. 😮

[@darshanchung]

@@fuyimpoon8095 china always claims that the West doesn’t understand it. It is an excuse used to justify bad behavior of China. “There is no human rights abuse in China, this is our culture which came down since ancient times and cannot be changed.” China needs to know that as part of the international community, it is its responsibility to understand the west. That means applying the same human rights standard as the rest of the world.

[@jvp9703]

This video was shot 10 years ago...the megacities of today are a completely different beast.

[@jademoon1530]

Martin, I think you should look into elections in China. They do take place at grassroots levels, going up all the way to the politburo. From what I understand, it is election/democracy with Chinese characteristics?

[@oreradovanovi5204]

Exactly, he still doesn't get it, he's still high in Western way without realising it...

[@darshanchung]

The politburo is democratically elected?

[@murraymadness4674]

and who is ALLOWED to run ? Russia has elections too.

[@robertoalexanderrojas460]

@@murraymadness4674 Ask yourself who is allowed to run in the USA (same billionair world disguise with democracy)

[@thomaslau1214]

@@murraymadness4674 Definitely not someone like Donald Trump (a proven self serving business man) or even Joe Biden (a proven incompetent person shown by previous performance).

[@jacktangtang2774]

How foresighted Martin has been with China analysis. Salute!

[@6Euphoria6]

Finally someone truly point out why Chinese are ok. Its competency. (And ofc the cultural differences, and tiktok and douyin's differences has proven my point)

[@JIANGTG]

The Chinese state is extremely competent because of the followings: 1. Highly Competent National Leadership. China has clear long-term plan and strategy to implement it and to achieve remarkable results in relatively short time. 2. China's 56 ethnic groups have strong belief in " Stupid Old Man Can Remove Mountains " ( 愚公移山 ） which signifies that they have strong will and enormous capability to overcome all obstacles 3, Xi Jinping always said that " Empty Talks Ruin Country, Hard-work Can Prosper Nation ". ( 空谈误国，实干兴邦 ）

[@abelteame1450]

This was intellectually stimulating. Thank u sir.

[@lucie-dinh]

A very refreshing insight. I'd love to visit China some time in the future

[@huiqinjinxi4514]

All friends are welcomed. 😁

[@MrStevemur]

This was such a pleasure. Thank you.

[@ElizabethTai]

Whoa. Just realised this was 10 years ago. Fascinating and quite prophetic.

[@jstasiak2262]

I think that it would be very helpful to compare and contrast China With Singapore. When he went to Singapore in 1978, Deng Xioping was extremely impressed with Lee Kuan Yew’s Singapore and kept telling his subordinates to “learn from Singapore.” Singapore went from a third world mosquito infested backwater to a first world economic powerhouse within the span of two generations. Although the scale is very different, there are many similarities, including the fact that Singapore is a single party police state. Mr. Jacques may want to comment on this.

[@natn41r]

China's success has everything to do with China, and very little to do with Singapore. Lee himself said there was no basis for comparison, and I agree, as a Singaporean myself.

[@accountantthe3394]

@@natn41r To be fair, there're some parallels to be drawn from both countries' successes i.e. authoritarian/benevolent dictatorship governance; land reforms; emphasis on manufacturing and infrastructure for FDI; education etc.

[@ProvisionalPatrioticAlliance]

Yeah but Singapore is also basically a fascist state lol

[@greatasia606]

@@accountantthe3394 Take a comparison between Suzhou Singapore Industrial Park and ShenZhen, they are not comparable. Do you know why? Singapore's scholars are all western trained, they don't have the sophistication of Chinese leaders. You might want to find out what is “内卷” , this is what Singapore has been going through in the past 20 years. Ha ha ha!

[@jstasiak2262]

@@natn41r Mr. Lee was always bragging about how Deng Xioping would constantly exhort his subordinates to “learn from Singapore.” There are numerous KZbin videos of Mr. Lee telling this story. In fact, China still sends many of its mayors and other municipal officials to Singapore to learn the principles of civic management.

[@Hermit-Crab]

"Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."

[@hinxlinx]

“Government is not the solution to our problem, government IS the problem!” If humanity have narrowed mind set like that, we would not have any civilization at all. A ship needs a captain, an army needs a general, a company needs an executive officer, and surely, your body needs a brain. You don’t see any one say something silly like: “Brain is not the solution to our problem, having a brain IS the problem!” If you see government as “the problem”, readying your weapons to overthrown “tyranny”, why don’t you instead make sure to have a functioning government that serve the people and organize the society to benefit all?

[@craigrik2699]

yes, that's the story of the West

[@numbersix8919]

Not in China. It was always a libel anyway.

[@leqiaop1840]

why is so ? Because the riches (multi-millionaire or billionaire) hate any form, especially those strong & powerful government (tax is not the only reason). If you are only at middle or poor unfortunately, then government could at least help you survive.

[@numbersix8919]

@@leqiaop1840 Exactly right. Capitalism is like nuclear energy. If controlled it can do anything. But living things need to be shielded from it or bad bad things happen to them.

[@alcheung405]

Martin Jacques is one of the if not the most knowledgeable Western scholars on Chinese culture and civilization; his knowledge about China is deep and comprehensive, unlike many so-called China experts who are shallow and myopic.

[@zhangruyi3153]

Regarding recession and economic downturn: I think it is amazing at the moment China's inflation is less than 2 percent and the country will have a growth rate of at least 5 percent this year in 2023. The Chinese people have enjoyed continual increase in standard of living for the last four decades and I wish the country well. The US could have this continual prosperity but the US governments have wasted too much money in military spending, going round having wars with too many countries and unfortunately the neo cons are ruling the US for several decades which is financed by the military industrial complex which cannot even make enough ammunitions for the Ukraine war.

[@ahimel]

The US government has subsidized China for decades. The US is still significantly richer per capita than the Chinese. Get off your high horse.

[@Showmethefish]

The US knows exactly what their plans are

[@stijndelie1458]

You're wrong about everything.

[@nellyfrittata8319]

@Stijn Delie can you elaborate, or are you just being emotional?

[@sylviam6535]

It’s not just the military spending. It’s a lack of strategic planning, combined with lazy ways to create wealth (the F.I.R.E. sectors) which are not sustainable and the embracing of stupid ideologies.

[@willgates8383]

Democracy is made up of two Greek words, Demos & Cracy which is rule by the people (for the people), western liberal democracy is that the voters will select rulers, BUT in practice, these leaders DO NOT rule on behalf of the people, but in favour of special interest groups based on funding ie money. While China’s leaders are based on meritocracy, and these leaders DO rule on behalf of the majority, ie Shared Prosperity. so in fact, China is MORE democratic than the US.

[@user-fn3vy4ug2n]

I don't believe any large colonial government (Russia, China, US) cares about the people more than their personal 'special interests'.. from attempting to seize Ukraine again, Russian usurping of vast ethnic territories the last 500 yrs.. to CCP 'reeducating' Uyghur people in prison camps, and invading Tibet, stripping them of their culture's integrity.. and the encroachment into neighboring sovereign states territorial waters.. invading independent HK, and hopefully not Taiwan... Of course the US govt has terrible track record as well, and all these countries militaries have been guilty of terrible atrocities against native ppl & civilians.. even genocide & slavery.. but that doesn't make one better or supreme over the other, they all need extreme reform and reparations, all countries need to return administration of local homelands to original ethnicities inhabitants.. they need to stop carving up the world for their little circles of billionaire elitists

[@darshanchung]

If Chinese leaders are based on meritocracy, why is there so much corruption, even at the highest level?

[@vichua1052]

This must be an old video. Mr. Jacques looks a lot younger, and the people in Beijing looked old fashioned. Nevertheless, his views are still very realistic and accurate.

[@twlamSG]

The video of Beijing is subjected to BBC filter. The filter makes everything grey, green especially is almost black.

[@whatnani7372]

Yes, in the description, it says it was released in 2013; your observations are well founded/not mistaken

[@silveriver9]

​@TWLam Yeah mainstream media always make China look grey with all the filters.

[@ignatiuschua5268]

It is said in the video that China will overtake US in 2018 in 6 years time and not 2025. Hence, the interview was held in 2012.

[@benjamincarter6095]

Views shared before Xi Jinping killed every advisor that provided him with decent information.

[@likpasaaa8074]

Thanks Martin 🙏🏼

[@nelsongonzalez4533]

The Chinese already built up an artificial Sun ☀️🌞 with high tech and they turned it on for 18 minutes ad and it worked. Awesome 👍😎

[@Phoryai65]

Extraordinarily fortunate and effective. No doubt about it

[@mefobills279]

All complex systems have a hierarchy. If your brain is poorly functioning, then the body will follow.

[@darrell4982]

Chinas political system is highly complex. China has democracy, not American democracy but a unique system involving everyone in the nation on a full time and consistent basis. This is what the Chinese call ‘whole process democracy’ which involves elections (the largest in the world) and consultative processes through various peoples congresses, political parties, social organizations and so on. In this system the Chinese enjoy true participation in shaping their countries future.

[@NickApex]

This is delusional nonsense. Objectively false or willfully misleading.

[@fatcat1325]

Absolutely. We have all been brainwashed throughout the world to see China as stuck in the maoist communist ers when it has actually progressed into a people centric govt that only wants to do business with the world, unlike US, who wants to pillage the world.

[@NickApex]

@@fatcat1325 yes people centric. That’s why welding people into their apartments buildings for Covid, killing peoples pets. mass quarantine camps, ghost cities, the genocide of the Uyghurs, destroying democracy in Hong Kong, removing all opposition, and all the other things were voted on by the people… oh wait

[@mrmeow2297]

China has democracy and I am the CEO of Tesla. I have to admit, these AI bots are getting more sophisticated by the day.

[@darshanchung]

How does Chinese system involve everyone?

[@cuiyudeng3364]

他好了解中华文化

[@darshanchung]

...的虛偽

[@anzac08]

Yes...he does understand Chinese culture very well.

[@alextann1457]

Their innovativeness is simply "wow!"

[@paulliu170]

You meant their shamelessly stealing of other’s know-how.

[@gregorytaylor9104]

Their stealing of other countries' tech is simply wow

[@Orwellian-Purple-Grapes-1984]

@@gregorytaylor9104 Aw, poor boy, did the big bad Chinese steal your 6G technology from an alternative timeline, considering that in this timeline you barely even rolled out 5G yet?

[@donjindra]

They steal practically everything.

[@TL-fe9si]

The west must be terribly Incompetent knowledge-keepers LMAO.

[@gregarnot5066]

Dr Jacques is an authentic China expert. I have 53 years of experience with China, and Dr. Jacques is correct in every detail

[@6Euphoria6]

​@Phil sure, what does hanhan mean? If u cant identify one of the most used slang, you're lying

[@6Euphoria6]

@Phil what are u even on about? I bombed you with a question to test ur authenticity and you decided changing the subject is great way to escape it

[@astroganov]

"maybe that will make them more aggressive" (about US in decay) - that is so true.

[@liberty-matrix]

"The future does not belong to globalist. The future belongs to patriots. The future belongs to sovereign and independent nations who protect their citizens, respect their neighbors and honor the differences that make each country special and unique." - President, Donald J. Trump

[@jjackmanster]

Given the rapidity of change, it is important that the date of the talk is given. Jacques's speech is pre-covid and before many of the constraints on the CCP developed.

[@wisenber]

And before the "leader for life" was installed.

[@numbersix8919]

When you say CCP instead of CPC your sources are revealed.

[@numbersix8919]

@@wisenber You mean China is ruled by political dynasties that never die? Oh no, that was the US.

[@wisenber]

@@numbersix8919 "You mean China is ruled by political dynasties that never die?" No. Try reading my post again, more slowly if necessary.

[@numbersix8919]

China has a "leader for life" and we have a "leader that never dies" -- tough choice right? FO ancap.

[@robertoperez4118]

Democracy is when the laws and the administration of a state follows the interests and desires of its people. People mistakenly believe that democracy is voting for the ruler. Democracy is not when people are given only two plausible options to vote, because all other options are 'not acceptable' (people are told that alternative options are not acceptable). There is a shadow government that believes they are in possession of the truth, or perhaps in possession of the right to govern. And they infiltrate all the powers of the state with their 'servants'. Most of the western countries have 'privatized their governments'. The media follow the interests of those who own their shares, and governments likewise promote the interests of those who fund election campaigns and whose media support their candidates in those campaigns.

[@onisuryaman408]

If voting equals democracy, American Idols then is a democracy. Of course we know what American Idols is. (Uninformed and irrational) voting has made democracy into a popularity contest, at the cost of the nation.

[@darshanchung]

@@onisuryaman408 In American idol the three judges decide who wins, so it's not a demoicracy because it is not one person one vote.

[@johnsterlin211]

And day after day we are becoming the richest third world country of the world

[@numbersix8919]

@@johnsterlin211 Banana Republic is the correct term.

[@kvuppal1]

This enlightening perspective has made my day!

[@rosstisbury1626]

2012 this doco was made ? Interesting . . Many thanks

[@benkeith2077]

I wish the people of China and the USA the very best. Both governments are doing things that really drives me crazy. And I see so much nervousness and a sense of resignation, amongst the youth of China and the United States. Many people in China work such long hours and feel that they were born a generation too late, because there was more prosperity one generation before them. a lot of the youth,in the United States feel that the golden age was in their grandparents generation. I very much hope that our governments can stop trying to show off by acting like one needs to be the bigger presence on the world stage and instead focus on helping their people have a quality standard of life and hope for the future.

[@thisiskevin1000]

Others are moving to smaller cities and the countryside, others accepting offers from State enterprises, cooperatives and organizations, others are starting up businesses

[@jayy1980]

The only people who are being nasty, aggressive, openly racist are the Americans. They don’t want their hegemony to end, which is understandable, but they portray others as evil and bad instead of improving themselves. The usual white western trick, everyone not from white western country is evil and bad, and anything the whites do to these countries are good because “freedom, democracy” lol ridiculous fools can’t see that everywhere China goes the people of the country benefits, whereas everywhere the white western countries go is destruction, and they still INSIST that the whites are right….why? Lol guess brainwashed racist culture is still strong

[@benkeith2077]

@@jayy1980 Oh boy, where to start with your comment. First of all, you’re making racist comments about white people and then accusing white people about of being racist. That’s not a wise formula for persuading people towards your worldview. The fact of the matter is that race is irrelevant here. My government (USA) diversified racially and ethnically decades ago. I agree with many of your points regarding the actions my government takes internationally (a benefit of being an American is that I can publicly criticize my government without fear of retaliation), but bringing race into this makes you seem like a less credible person. I also suggest that you don’t use the word “Americans” so generally when you refer to the actions my government takes internationally. Americans are the people of America, and the people of America by and large do not support these conflicts abroad. The people responsible are for the most part are a bunch of greedy sociopaths that first become government bureaucrats and then in time transition to top positions in the private sector with the understanding that they can use their relationships with those still in government to further a company’s financial interests. Some of this is relatively harmless, for example a government attorney will often go into private practice for high paying corporate clients. But other times it’s something more along the lines of someone in the intelligence community or military leaves government to go and work for a weapons manufacturer. Of course in that scenario the incentives are for that person to use their influence to push those still in government to engage in conflicts, as that keeps them rich. This system makes it very hard for the interests of the average American (who wants nothing to do with armed conflicts), to be considered by those in power. JFK tried to stop this system and they killed him for it and later his brother. People voted for Donald Trump in hopes that he would be able to stop this insanity, but bad government actors undermined him every step of the way. I don’t want to act like the USA is the only country that has corruption in its government, I have plenty of criticisms of other places too including China. But at the end if the day, I know the people of China as well as most other parts of the world are good people. I may criticize a country’s government/administrative actions, but there is no long term benefit in racially and/or ethnically conflating a government’s bad behavior, with the average citizen that just wants to earn a decent living so that they can provide for themselves and their family. The best solution that I can see is to reduce the power of central governments. Allowing for more local autonomy over each area, makes it hard for power to concentrate in such a way that these sociopaths can become as powerful as they are now. I’m not a full-blown anarchist or anything, but I think a small government approach to things would solve many of the problems that face the world today.

[@ongsengkee2530]

Very well said👍👍👏👏

[@daniel-zx6sx]

i dont think hardworking is a sin. one is free to choose easy work if one can accept lower incomes

[@hpmoxie4660]

Mr Jacques is a man with great humanity and wisdom!

[@gaveller]

That was excellent

[@cameronfoster3314]

Have you actually seen how the CCP rules its own country? I don't think you would like to be ruled like that.

[@gaveller]

@@cameronfoster3314 I've lived in China for the last 17 years, trust me it beats the US and UK for living standards

[@cameronfoster3314]

@@gaveller Even the living standards of the 1.1 Billion people living on the poverty line rurally?

[@nikolasmacedonites917]

And here we are living exactly this.. Wow

[@jameskwa]

Mr Jacques's excellent well done spot on

[@wric01]

China has no interest in conquering and inheriting more welfare states. Throughout several thousand years, it's always maintained it's ambition to rule within it's borders. Tibet and Taiwan was part of the Qing dynasty, declaring independence without consent. Thus, motherland has the right to self assemble. Like the tang dynasty tradition with the silk road era. China today continues this trade and prosperity, rather than warring like some archaic nations we know.

[@CaptainPieBeard]

The geographical extent of past dynasties is no justification for ruling over Tibet or Taiwan. "Self-assemble" is a cute synonym for "conquer and subdue." China makes a move on Taiwan and it gets cut off from the international order just like Russia.

[@wric01]

Right, what was your ancestors reason for colonialism less invade weaker nations. It's one thing to take over but china liberated the slave caste system of tibet. Is that reason enough? Or it's just systematic for westerner's enslave dna to side with the Dali lama slave masters. The ppl there were freed and enjoy all the schools, airports, roads and trains china brought. Civil war never really ended for one in Taiwan. 2nd it's not recognize by 100plus nations. If righteous was by their side why would 100 plus nations not side with them.

[@silvaleung2407]

Very insightful

[@rabbitazteca23]

people hate to believe it but it's time we all accept Mughabi's perception of CHina in that China's form of capitalism-socialism is stable. This baffles many western people but China would not be the super power it is without stability. The thing we need to remember is that it works for them and that's all that really matters.

[@YTSparty]

Yeah as demonstrated by all the people in the streets in the last 5 years. I think the younger generation are less tolerant to suffering at the hands of the CCP.

[@mrmeow2297]

Is it? Ask the 996 Generation how much "stable" this system really is.

[@warsamaosman0894]

Wumao alert 🚨

[@howard49]

@@mrmeow2297 or ask the homeless, drug addicts, poor black people or obese people in US

[@Granite]

​@@howard49 Ask the people in communist labor camps. Duality of society is universal until everyone wakes up to it.

[@koolkatfelix9500]

Yes! Wisdom does not rest in the west! China, Russia, India, the Arabs & many eastern countries are cultures!

[@wlee9504]

Martin keeps on getting it right. Events keep vindicating him. Only people with humanity can predict the future. For, only they can see what people are truly capable of.

[@stayprepared2388]

wocomoCulture - Martin Jacques , i love china covid lockdown , please extend for a few more years

[@cleopatra3206]

Churchill said democracy is the worst form government, except for the others. He’s right in the first case, as for the others, they are good examples. The CPC is a huge human resource engine, where to rise to the top takes all of 30 years and only the best and wises reach the top. And when leaders are wises, citizens have the most freedoms. Chineses give their government 90% approval, obviously they feel very free. For example, China is one of the safest country in the world, the most important freedom is to feel safe.

[@ca2ca]

Instead of understanding and working together with China and other developing countries for a better world, Western countries as Martin Jacques said years ago will go defensive or aggressive. I think unfortunately West chooses the latter.

[@tomyong8327]

You are an intelligent man, thank you.

[@sanasama2209]

We saw that competence during Covid😅

[@raynierllewis2827]

You saw .We're you there?

[@titussamuel2440]

Lot to learn from Chinese focus and discipline. Though their communism may have committed very big blunders than democracies find not ideal to mental well being.

[@cam35mm]

oh stop it Democracy made just as many if not more.

[@jademoon1530]

@@cam35mm Agree with you totally.

[@jademoon1530]

The west have given communism a bad name but the Communist Party of China has always put people first and is not that the most important thing for humans? Yes, many mistakes were made. Tell me which country in our world has not made mistakes? There is a lot of harmony in Chinese society and China has its own form of democracy, which seems to work better than the collective west's emphasis of voting democracy? Without democracy, China would not have been able to bring out 800,000+ million people out of abject poverty. Countries in the global south can learn a lot from China's experience and methods.

[@thewielloyd988]

@@cam35mm Yeah when China has a civil war, all of the deaths are apparently the fault of Communism alone, but when the same occurs in the US suddenly Western historians discover an ability to apply nuance rather than chalk every kill up to Lincoln and his 'henchmen'.

[@edmurks236]

@@cam35mm Yes the wars including 100 years religious wars of great carnage plus thousands of other wars in Europe are rarely mentioned. In fact most of Europe and the west never had democracies until their very recent history. Their countries were all subject to the rule by Kings.

[@avSamikkannu]

The opening remarks are quite objective!

[@I_dont_want_an_at]

His book should have been called "When China Leads the world to peace and prosperity ". By calling it "when china rules the world", he was suggesting unwanted domination. He shouldn't have.

[@cleopatra3206]

Famous Chinese maxim: If the emperor deviates from the straight path, we must admonish him.

[@danielstapler4315]

Not if his name is Xi and value your well being.

[@idealstoic]

@@danielstapler4315you don’t know Chinese history then. Many emperors of old were even more powerful than Xi Jin Ping is.

[@sushilover5367]

@@danielstapler4315 another self taught china expert here.

[@darshanchung]

@@idealstoic but emperors of old didn’t have the technology to monitor everyone. They didn’t spend nearly as much to maintain social security.

[@titot2370]

@@danielstapler4315 have a general casual look around…

[@slc801]

China has learnt from their mistakes during the Mao cultural revolution but will the West learn from theirs .

[@wingkeongsiew2296]

To be able to govern 1.4 billion people and be able to satisfy 80% of the people is incredible. Look at its next door neighbor India. The poverty, chaos, uneducated and environmental destructions in India. Does China has problems? Certainly. United States should stop feeling that their dominance is given. They have to learn that India will catch up with them in 20 years and they will have to fight India like they fight China today. United States need to work with China and they will complement each other and grow together. China can help United States with renewal of its infrastructure fast and cost effective. If only Martin can have a strong influence in the government of USA, it’s difficult for the United States to dig themselves out of the hole they dug. Thanks for the video

[@yangliu5727]

depends when you looked at it, ask my father, who born in 50.s if ccp was competent? but over the time it has improved a lot.

[@darshanchung]

In what way?

[@UrMediaIsFake]

One thing to note is China actually has democracy without the marketing that U.S self proclaims as democracy but isn't one. Chinese government has democratic functions built into it's government and election is organized that requires experience, merit, creditibility and accountability. It is unlike "western style democracy" that relies heavily on private lobbying and heavy marketing at election time.

[@Placidzzz]

Whereas, America now is exercising personal persecution because of political differences

[@joeharris3878]

Remember the book, The Coming War With Japan ? Around 1977 or 1980

[@danielstapler4315]

The USA always needs a bogey man. Russia, Japan, China, I wonder who's next?

[@joeharris3878]

@@danielstapler4315 You're right about that. It's quite a racket.

[@paulclement4860]

I hope Mr. Martin Jacques publishes a book entitled why England always fails in big tournaments even though the premier league is the best league and it is still very different from France 😅😅

[@arawiri]

Guarding a hoard of ancient information

[@indeficit2]

Little did Martin know, the ten years following this interview under Xi will be doubly impressive.

[@danielstapler4315]

Sorry are we on the same planet ??

[@Ex.zed.]

Impressively horrible.

[@goldsilvervscrisiscollapse4320]

@@Ex.zed. how so? cov fatalities of about 10k vs over 1.2 m for the US. pls try to be objective and not let your hatred for the nation blind you

[@indeficit2]

@@Ex.zed. Over the next 10 years, China’s economic output more than doubled by every metric. Per capita GDP doubled, export doubled.. living standards, infrastructure development, investment overseas with the BRI, all drastically improved. The transformation and growth all around was exponential and nothing short of miraculous, and it all happened in the ten years under Xi. 10 years! That’s just over 3600 days!

[@darshanchung]

@@indeficit2 China's per capita GDP doubled in 10 years, but debt went up more than 5 times.

[@tyn6211]

dang, this was made 10 years ago? definitely aged well.

[@benwoodruff1321]

LOL

[@mamonth6985]

IT AGES LIKE FINE WINE

[@bighands69]

@@mamonth6985 A fine whine alright just no wine in it.

[@justinmanley8131]

Not really, China looks weaker than it has in a very long time.

[@seanl6885]

Who needs fine wine when you have made in china moutai.

[@hc1897]

Magnificent - the point about the fixation (not just in the West I think but across many countries) about democratic elections being the one and only source of legitimacy of state apparatus bowls me over. Sadly I don't share his optimism about the West's capacity to live in a world where a completely foreign culture (which it has vilified for decades) is dominant. I think the West will rather drag the world into unimaginable bloodshed and suffering than lose ground.

[@lluow]

When a system is producing competent government officials, you know the people is reluctant to adopt a different democratic system. Why’d you want to disrupt the positive changes with periodic elections? The world is very diverse and the definition of democracy is also diverse.