Is This Illegal Gold Mining?

[@VoGusProspecting]

My latest video copped a copy right for a song that has some seriously complex usage rights. Because of this I have removed it from viewing, re-edited it and now have re released it with updated music. It's probably going to absolutely destroy the views on it. Making this video cost more than it'll make back. If you could drop a comment and a like if you've already seen it. And a share to outside social media goes A LONG WAY. I'd really appreciate it! That will help increase its reach. Trying to salvage my days work here.

[@goldpanningDutchmanjacco]

Done bro

[@1966garyh]

have you thought about maybe trying to build a gravity high banker

[@andyfunke9484]

So that's what happened. The video disappeared from my history. I reposted my comment, and gave it another big old 👍. Cheers. 👋🇨🇦

[@GoodForYou4504]

Ah yes, the life of a KZbinr... 🙄

[@chriswheeler9984]

Gravity system for the spray bars

[@richardoconnor7162]

Kris what if I tell you that a gravity water line can be made to supply that little unit. You just need for the drop of the water to be higher than the top of the unit. This is used by Moonshiners in the hills to supply running water to the Stil sites and power small water wheels. Natural drop in the Creek or making a small rock dam with a plastic liner to feed water to the top of a pipeline that will then gain water to feed your low banker set up. No Electric, no Petro pumps running just the power of gravity.

[@FeatherHorseforge]

Is that what they call a ram pump?

[@mary-ruthflores4107]

That’s a good idea, weed growers also do this.

[@Jake12220]

Sadly this idea would be completely illegal anywhere in Australia. It's stupid, but it somehow counts as dredging or something ridiculous even though it isn't.

[@scotthultin7769]

Take a 5 ft section of 4in x it's amateur PVC put it in the 2 in pipe PVC and into your 5/8 garden hose to run up to your sluice box you should have enough pressure and maintain water flow as long as the creek is flowing water

[@geoffszczypior644]

Bucket feed a header tank with valve use stored water when needed.

[@666bbdoll]

Jason, at Flour Gold Wizard, had same problem. He put a hole in the bottom of one bucket (suspended over his sluice) and fill that one from another bucket to deliver a constant, equal water flow. Worked well for him.

[@justinollis4979]

There a. Way to pump water without a motor

[@calebkz]

nothing saying you can't fill your bucket with a pump... run a pump and use 2 buckets, one fills while you scoop and dump your 2nd bucket. And, use a bucket as a water hopper as said.

[@justinollis4979]

@@calebkz why go through the trouble when you can just run a water line to i

[@ste887]

@@justinollis4979 ram pump, syphon, putting the end of a hose in moving water, theres a few off the top of my head, ram pump is just as staccato as using a bucket so that wouldn't be the best, syphon might be a bit slow, but a big enough tube should move enough water to make it not a problem taking advantage of a slow river (even better if its near a still pond youre panning) seems the easiest to me, stick a hose and funnel in the stream up river

[@tomb816]

@@ste887 I'm with you. So many ways to use gravity or hydrostatic pressure to accomplish this. Another piece of equipment that seems to be legal would be a foot pump or type of bellows. You could easily use this under-foot, while dumping paydirt into the sluice. It could even be used to start a syphon or build pressure for a your ram pump, if you don't have enough elevation.

[@paddlesmcbean2366]

That is a most perverse interpretation of law. Typical, they want you to be able to do nothing.

[@asya9493]

They, ie the Victorian Socialist Government, want to stamp out anything that encourages personal independence and self sufficiency, because people who want this do not want a socialist government sticking its nose in to keep people dependent.

[@gilbs-jb5hw]

Just do it anyway lol 😂 words of wisdom

[@danoconnell1833]

It's been years since I wielded a gold pan. As a hobbyist like you, I valued getting out into the woods more than I did finding gold. I love your attitude and your experimental approaches!

[@jamesburton8391]

It would be interesting to see this modified to use a gravity feed system that you could fill using a hand pump or bucket before sluicing the gravel. This way you could control the flow of water still to try and make use of the spray bar/ a modified spray bar. This could allow you to sluice more gravel with less surging.

[@jeffwilliam7500]

100% I've seen what this guy had. with a stand over the top for 20L bucket with a tap. coulpe scoops of pay a bit of water to top up the bucket. works really well

[@markbrown6236]

Exactly what I was thinking. Fill a tank and use that to power the spray bars.

[@theshadowoftruth7561]

you guys stole what I just posted! You must have known in advance what I was going to write.

[@the_omg3242]

The exact idea I was just about to suggest. I'm guessing if it's that simple a solution the government will probably make it illegal.

[@4roryvt]

My exact thoughts!! Could even be plugged into the same tubing the mechanical pump fed into

[@a.b.c.adventures3484]

I tried this myself and found a LOT of gold in the tailings. I feel like the water flow needs to be consistent to hold the gold in place.

[@Free_Aussie]

GoldRat Highbankers have a twin bilge pump set-up that is foot operated to supply constant flow as long as you pump it. My thought was to get two pump sets and make it into a "stepper machine" There would be no over weight miners for sure.

[@davidbeer]

Use a water hopper to work the spray bar Chris.. (A bucket connecting straight to the pipe). Just fill the hopper with another bucket to continue the flow.

[@digr810]

This seems like a great idea. Same as flour gold wizards have done previously. Tempted to try it in Nz where using machinery is also illegal in public areas.

[@jeffshackleford3152]

Or build a higher reservoir and pump water to that reservoir.

[@travismickelson9011]

Ridiculous to even consider this in America. Our rights have been trampled on. Check out public lands for the people. Support them. This is the only way to go. They have miners rights and laws figured out!!

[@vitor900000]

You can channel the water from a higher elevation point using gutters. Or you could make/use a Hydraulic Ram Pump since its powered only by gravity. Let it run overnight to fill a water tank and use the stored water during the working hours.

[@markpashia7067]

Chris, thanks for the explanation. Since you did such a good job, I just let the whole thing run again without skipping the ads while I went outside for a smoke. Hope that helps and counts as a full view on this new version and a few cents for not skipping the ads. Best I can do for you mate.

[@AndreaDingbatt]

❤I just did the same thing!!🙂👍

[@CallofDoobie585]

When the laws are to opress you, its your duty to disobey that law

[@danlowe]

Any small pump can do the work of a big pump if you use it to fill a reservoir uphill. I use a 12v aquarium pump to send water droplets up to a tank with a full size hose outlet. Still electric and not conducive to the field, but you could do the work of an aquarium pump with a handheld bicycle pump. Connect it to a basic aeroponic bivalve that allows water to leak into an air hose and you can use the air pressure to push that water where the pressure is lowest. Once you have some water uphill you can even use its weight to push air out of a second hose into the first one, reducing the amount of work you have to do with the hand pump. This method was originally popularized for aeroponic vertical gardens but the principles work for moving water anywhere. Once it's in a tank it's the same kind of gravity pressure in any water tower.

[@andyfunke9484]

Here in B.C. Canada it's illegal to use sluice boxes in creeks and rivers. That was brought a couple of years ago. High bankers are not allowed to discharge back into any body of water. Panning is still o.k. You may want to consider yourself fortunate...... for now.

[@AndreaDingbatt]

Bloody Governments are Fecking Criminals!! Turdue should be kicked out of office!! There again, ~ that goes for practically Every Politician Here in the UK people are being robbed by the government as well.... 70p in every £1:00 earned and then some!!

[@KWAHU93]

🇨🇦 = 🚽

[@christopherstaples6758]

@1:40 just use a Ram Pump its operated from water flow ... and you could use a funnel and spray bar to stop the surges (funnel to restrict the flow rate and bar to spread it out )

[@gypsyjustgypsy]

Love how informative and entertaining your channel is. Thanks for all the hard work!

[@thetechnopig2416]

On a river system you can use pip put under the current further upstream and have a reducer to create a higher pressure, the longer the pipe the higher the flowrate

[@KnightsAdventures]

Great idea! Thanks for sharing the tip

[@C_Wood]

I really enjoy you content chris. You are the reason I picked up this hobby. It’s the perfect hobby for relaxation and it clears your mind because it gives you something to focus on. So thank you Chris.

[@timobatana6705]

All you would have to do is set up a tiny water tower. So instead of dipping that bucket and dumping it directly into the sluice, what you should do is hook up a 5-liter reservoir directly to the sprayers but narrow in high so it has decent head pressure and keep filling up the bucket that's hooked to the sluice so it keeps a constant stream running through the sprayers

[@tandr3w]

I wonder if setting up a electric pump to fill the water tower would be in violation? The high banker would be fed by the water tower, not the pump.

[@foogod4237]

I would wonder if you could get around the new restrictions by setting up your high-banker to drain into a large container (instead of into the river) and then set up a recirculating pump out of the container to feed water into the top (then fill up the container with water at the beginning of things using a bucket or a hand pump). That way, the motorized pump is not being used to take anything from anywhere (therefore cannot be called "excavation" in any sense), everything (both dirt and water) was removed and placed into the high-banker setup manually. The pump is purely moving the water around and around internally to the device. Arguably, might not be that much more convenient than what you're doing here, I suppose (though if you used a manual pump to pump the water up to a location higher up the bank, and then recirculated it all there, you also wouldn't have to walk as far from your excavation location to the high-banker setup...)

[@RalphlConant-he4ht]

What if you had a long pipe upstream would that be considered mechanical cuz then you could make a suction dredge

[@kyle-hx8qk]

You have no idea how much this vid just helped me solve my latest gold dilemma.. I won't make to much public, I too am on reedy creek and my spot would get pillaged if I gave to much up.. but the inconsistent pulsy flow and distribution of black Sand vs gold in that situation just inadvertently cracked my latest creek dilemma.. I'll be out tomorrow to confirm, huge thanks mate. Love your vids and the stuff you and gadsy do.

[@VoGusProspecting]

Can I come just watch. I don't care about the spot, I've got enough.

[@davy9802]

if you take a garden watering can next time the holes might be perfect to wash the dirt better, been enjoying the experimenting and exploring other ways to find gold a lot great videos

[@MrNigel1340]

Hi Chris, this may not always be practical but if you have enough of a height drop in the water course a length of garden hose feeding from higher up may give enough flow to operate the high banker, could be worth experimenting with this, regards Doc Cox.

[@Litruv]

kinda like syphoning a river ?

[@caoryn]

I've seen a "bucket pump" setup for a highbanker where the bucket had holes in it and would be placed over the headerbox to trickle water into, and would be regularly refilled with another bucket. Provided you can get the holeage right in the bucket to still have enough flow for some reasonable amount of time to keep constant flow, it should allow you to get by the ecofreaks.

[@FlourgoldWizards]

You don’t say ! 🤣✌️

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

That is a solution people go with where pumps are banned. Another solution is the way much gold was recovered in the 1800s, with pans and you put the highbanker in the creek so the natural flowing water pumps itself. Thats how its been done for a long time. Luckily i live in a mostly free country so I can pump water with a battery or gasoline or propane whatever you want bro its about diversification around where i live there is low water sp what we do is we bring water and have to recover it to feed it back in or else you will run out because there isnt any. The problem here is you have a dirty supply.and the nice thing about pumping from a creek and back is that the water is clearer and you can sse what youre doing bettee. In places like britain they ban prospector grade mechanical equipment that isnt industrial mining equipment and i think its to keep their people poorer.

[@caoryn]

@@TheAnnoyingBoss For sure. I don't think pumps are banned per se here, at least based on how many people use them, but there's enough waterflow to just river-sluice here. Got a sluicebanker hybrid - sluice with adjustable length legs, and that works reasonably well. 🙂

[@TalRohan]

I find these little experiments absolutely fascinating, great fun and cool to watch and wonder about what I can do.

[@nancienordwick4169]

Excavation is the part with a shovel before the sluicing. Sluicing with a motorised pump has nothing to due with ore excavation. Sluicing is not excavation. Its an ore refinery process, rather.

[@19Philza87]

Hey mate, great idea. Could be improvised/improved by using a waterfall/trickle set up. Using a valved spout in bottom of a larger bucket to give you a steady flow of water into your washer section. Idea being fill the bucket with water and should allow a few scoops through before having to top up the water in your bucket/tank. Just a thought. Awsome video as always amigo 👍🏻

[@stevecasvan5225]

Rig up a big bucket with a valve on it to constantly flow water into the box. You can alternate between refilling the bucket and feeding the material. Plus I'm pretty sure the constant Even flow would increase recovery. Thanks again! Hippie Steve from the motherlode in California.

[@cylonmk2]

Awesome vid. It makes me glad I can probably run my 6in highbanker like this if the laws change to stop the use of pumps. Have you looked at gravity water feed for the highbanker as an other option?

[@blakesolomon4286]

Where I live in the US it’s illegal to use pumps on the river, but this gives me inspiration to get around those rules.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Where do you live? Has to be california. People need to break the rules and sue. Its dirty water its not arsenic water. Dumping it on the ground cleans the water as it rums.through the particles back into the river. There is no point in not allowing it. Its like getting mad at a man for combining water and dirt to make mud and dirty water and then dumping it back out. Nothing illegal happened you need to stop complying or we shpuld ship you bacl up with the redcoats where youll belong without your freedoms because you complied.

[@themikemason]

You could also rig a bucket on top of the hopper with some plumbing attachments to better control water flow. Just a thought. Sorry to hear they copyright slapped you. I have liked, shared to my Facebook, and here is my comment 😊

[@VoGusProspecting]

Yeah man, im working on that ATM!

[@scriptles]

Thank you for explaining the dream mat. Someone else had one in their video but didn't say what it was and I was interested in seeing more about them. Now I know what to look up. Thank you kind sir.

[@kevinroberts781]

You could use a hand pump and a 20 gallon barrel at the top of the hill. Let the barrel feed the high banker by gravity

[@kaznats1]

You should consider using a Ram pump, I use one for my mountain cabin and it pumps water 300 ft uphill with a water flow rate from my pond at about 3 gallons a minute. That file of water in the river should be more than adequate to power a pump that only uses 2 one way valves and isn’t considered as a powered tool

[@alanbain5779]

Mechanical excavation and water pumps, does it state specifically gas and or electrical pumps? A ram pump doesn't use either. You could setup a ram pump, if you had the correct conditions, to fill a a large barrel or two. Then use that water to run the high banker. The barrels can be filled days ahead of when you would need it. Ram pumps are slow, but only require a short fall in water to work. The ram pump will have a 1:7 ratio of feet of head to lift. 1 foot of fall at the inlet will lift the water 7 feet high. How high would you need a gravity tank of water to run the high banker? How much water would you need to run the high banker for an hour? Just a random thought.

[@abrr2000]

you could install a water tank at the top you bucket into, that feeds through a restricted nozzle and thus provides a more consistant flow of water to the top of the device.

[@scottlincoln9900]

Gotta love how laws are only seemingly placed to make life harder...do we get to vote on this as individuals or is it some rich bastard we elect that speaks for all? this is why the world is degrading...

[@hearsayhenderson2623]

Unless you’re an attorney, “legal “ doesn’t apply to you! Nor does illegal! Learn lawful and unlawful!

[@james13914]

Could always rig up a system where you pedal it and you can chuck a bucket of dirt in a hopper and water in a pump and water container all connected to chain drive where you just chill and pedal it or something. And also for the separation screen put a tarp under it so you don't miss as much dirt?

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

I think a smarter idea is to not peddle or do and hand pumping and instead you get like a small plaform that when tou step on it it starts going down and pulling a suction from a river using your body weight and the. You save all tohr energy for the panning and digging bro. But i live in usa its very easy to just connect a cpuple.wires to a battery and a pump and now your water is running

[@albertcab]

Hello, I tell you: I use a 25 liter bucket with a 1 inch hole in the bottom and made a stand for it to sit on top of the high bench. It works wonderfully and if there are two people or more, one can take care of filling the bucket and thus the stream of water is continuous. This support is 30cm above the high bench

[@captain-hayward]

I would recommend a foot pump for a manual pump. Just like the kind we use on a boat for the sink. That will free up your hands to do the work you need to do. A foot pump will build enough pressure to you through your spray jets.

[@justme.9711]

OR... Have a battery or petrol pump filling a large two handled bucket or baby bath [ probably better ] which is next to BUT not connect to or part of the sluice. Now use your ten or twenty litre bucket to simply take water from the large fed bucket/bath and run it through the sluice/highbanker. It saves your back [ put it on a milk crate ] and time. Thoughts....

[@armata143]

If you're looking for an effective pump that you can make yourself that requires no power, check out spiral pumps! Whether you put paddles to allow the flow of the stream to turn it or rig it up to turn it manually, you may be able to get an effective amount of water through without the need of an electrical/combustion pump

[@markgabitsch5684]

Why wouldn't you just use a hand held pump sprayer?Instead of pouring water it would act more like the water sprayers on top of the sluice

[@danhodgins4015]

I think this video is an indication of the future of small scale prospecting---technology for gold prospecting may starting to get simpler due to laws and environmental regulations. Things such as raised bucket reservoirs with a ball valve and hose coming off the end to regulate flow and prevent surging will become more commonplace. It might be a great opportunity for KZbin content for the creators willing to do the work. I like where you are going with this Chris, and can't wait to see what you come up with!

[@williamopry7967]

A large water blivet (rubber bag) uphill would allow for constant flow without any power. Fill with a bucket, run a hose down to high bank, go down and run till the water runs out.

[@IcanBePsycho]

Just an idea, but what if you mounted a 10ltr bucket above the high-banker, use a hose to connect it to the high-bankers water system & siphon water from the river with 6 or more hoses to continually fill up the 10ltr bucket??

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Youve clearly never tried to syphon uphill without powered equipment. Thank god im not a brit

[@ranchero50]

Foot bilge pump would work a charm and placing an old bed sheet under the wire mesh would make it easier to capture the sized material vs. a bucket mouth. Cheers

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

The king has his miners at the same level of technology as the amish bro

[@1TakoyakiStore]

I can see a system where you can "plug in" a yabby pump to a water system that can bring the river water to the sluice box. It might take awhile to work out the kinks but the mechanics can work.

[@matthewhopkins7042]

The stupidest part is a high banker into a settling pool is FAR better for the waterway than a river sluice. But the same law makers who want us to blow material down river also want us to smash rocks to bits rather than yabby pump under them.

[@NET-POSITIVE]

You can modify a bike to spin a pump, or is that also too mechanical?? It wouldn't take that much to make a frame stand to elevate and stabilize a bike to spin a pump.

[@EverDarkness147]

could you connect the sprinklers with a bucket on top to manuelly fill with water. maybe put a sponge or something in the connection to slow the water down. the additional bucket then can be filled with a foot pump or a spiral to get the water up.

[@trevdyer173]

What size hose runs between your pump and the highbanker? I have a good idea for a gravity feeder

[@weedfreer]

You could try fitting a pipe with sprayers and a large funnel with a wide discharge spout in place of the pump to feed into the sprayer tubes...so, at least you could control the rate of flow. You'd need someone feeding the large funnel and a way of supporting it in the right position though. Hmm, perhaps you could get one of the large silicon/rubber buckets from a garden centre, put a hole in the base, get yourself a bath plug-hole plumbing fitting and use a piece of thin plywood or a couple of squares of neoprene rubber with a hole cut into it to accept the bath plug-hole fitting and then use some silicone glue to secure the plug fitting + plywood or neoprene rubber squares to the hole in the base of the bucket. Then tighten up the fitting to apply pressure to it and attach an appropriate width of pipe to the drainage part of the plug-hole fitting. Then, build a frame which will allow you to suspend the the bucket beneath it and then use the plug fitting + drainage pipe to pull it down in the centre to make a funnel shape using your sprayer pipe to attach it into and maintain the stretch in the bucket created by pulling it downwars. If only you have some mug who'd be cool filling the bucket over and over as you shovelled dirt into the bottom. Hmmmm 🤔

[@haroldishoy2113]

In the mainland USA the restrictions are worsening by each edition of the fish and minerals guidebook. A member in my prospecting club uses a 1 liter stainless kitchen ladle for bailing water into his handmade rocker box. He switches between miners moss and burlap for authenticity.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Here in usa we have a lot more freedom than both the canadians and brits when it comes to prospecting but yes the restrictions are growing luckily. In usa we have the power to revolt

[@djsmith4789]

Not sure if this was talked about yet, but can one not simply attach the sprayers on the box to a large cistern or say a barrel above it and run water that's filled manually with a hand pump or a bucket. This way, there's no mechanical use and the benefits of the sprayers are maintained??

[@jasonstatham5879]

I wonder if you set a larger bucket above it, with a pipe coming out and an adjustable valve to control the flow, and just kept filling the bucket (manually) so it's a more consistent flow and not splashing?

[@Grisher100]

Hey just saw your channel. Was fun watch the whole thing! Great job

[@Miketz]

Sounds like I should ask my question again then. Can you use a pump to fill a water tank up the bank a bit? Can you then use that water to gravity feed your high-banker?

[@mikemcchesney2555]

You have to do a lot of experimenting to find the best water flow for whatever type of matting/vortex/whatever you are using to catch the gold. Every mat has a sweet spot. Too slow and you get crap built up in the riffles and the gold just flows right over them and out the bottom. Too fast, and the gold blows right over the riffles and out the bottom. The right speed/attitude/side angle will create the vortices necessary to catch gold. If you are only going to rely on native water flow, you should get underlayment that closely matches that water speed. The best sluice I have ever seen for fine gold is the "Gold Well Vortex Sluice". The big five footers, we run 4400gph pumps at full tilt and not lose a bit of gold (and thats dumping twenty-five five gal buckets classified to 1/2" in a few minutes time!!!!!). The smaller three foot Gold Well backpack sluices we run with 2200gph pumps. Its all in the setup.

[@brushitoff503]

Gotta pause @02:08 for a sec, just a random thought, instead of putting just a bucket behind the screen for classification, couldn't you attach some hessian cloth to the top of it making a kind of chute that captures the material & feeds it into the bucket. Kind of like a half Hammock is the way my brain is seeing it. Could also dig out behind the screen to make the bucket lower or even use a 10L bucket instead. Anyway random thought. Back to the video! Cheers, Leo.

[@ha7rpy]

Could you use a normal water hose using the technique we use to move water from one bucket to another? Like a fishtank?

[@jackass123455]

think of the water as dirt the "pump" is excavating the water. but something to consider is nothing is stopping you from setting up a water reserve higher than your "highbanker" and using gravity to feed the water into the plumbing via a siphon or gravity fed tank

[@alexkitner5356]

Guess I'm not the first but will also suggest rigging a bucket with ball valve and some vinyl hose. Youd be able to adjust the water flow to suit a consistent even flow so you eliminate the surging and can keep a good pattern from the spray bar. Depending on height above the sluice that you set up the water reservior you could manage the water pressure, half a pound per foot of elevation so you could again have an even flow and pressure to suit your needs in any given soil/gravel conditions.

[@MrEddiecos]

G'day mate, just as some of the previous commenters have mentioned place a bucket with a hose and valve to control water flow to the spray bar but use the bilge pump to fill the bucket instead, technically your suppling water to the high banker via a bucket not a mechanical pump. Cheers mate.

[@crazypete3759]

Can you bring a 55 gallon drum and set it up at a higher elevation and use that as a gravity feed system? connect some hoses and a valve and you can run a lot more material in one go. I also wonder if this can be a loophole for the pump? use the pump to fill the reservoir... it would not be feeding the rig directly

[@garyrogers6761]

As I was going to say\type\comment on the video that I previously watched 😁earlier today, could you try a 'Stirrup' pump ? the type of pump that has a leg that hooks over the side of a bucket and has a 'D' handle to pull\push up and down to operate the pump. It operates on the Up and the Down strokes and the good ones were made of brass. Glad I was too lazy to comment 😁on the first go around ! Keep up the great work Chris and thanks for your effort, that's from an ' Ole 55 ' model Nth Queenslander.

[@andrewh9629]

Mate, would a syphon system with a hose not be non-machine enough?

[@AndreaDingbatt]

Here's one for the algorithm!! Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge!! 🙂 I wish that the UK had more gold that didn't belong to the Royal Family and the Government!! Namasté 🙏🕊️ Andréa and Critters. ...XxX...

[@therealdoomsage]

Put a small rain water tank on a stand above the sift thingy, use powered pump to fill rain water tank, turn on tap. Every holes a goal, my favourite is the loop hole.

[@seanburke997]

I know absolutely nothing about any of this, this just popped up in my timeline, but this is fascinating

[@asjamuir5534]

I am totally loving the new man playing style we are in atm seeing stuff made is and has gave me so much encouragement to give it ago myself next years season me and my son plan to build a sluice and make a pan or two

[@johnhunt2390]

Hydraulic ram pump to use the flow of the river to pump water?

[@jimmy_kirk]

What if you use a ram pump to fill the highbanker? It doesn't use an electric or diesel motor, only water pressure.

[@qldabandonedmines]

That bush grizzly is magnificent. Love the zip ties! Great vid Chris.

[@randolfkossler3224]

@vo-gus what about purely solar-powered (without buffer-accu) bilge-pump with bucket-in-bucket configuration? (I just build one because of the regulations here in Germany)? as the system neither pumps water or sediment from the creek, nor puts it back silt into it (outer bucket is initially filled up manual by buckets of water) this config should bypass all water-quality regaulations, doesn´t have the capacity of of polluting (no battery-acids, NiCad or else) and the closed system still is fed manually with hand-tools?

[@haileydee9954]

it's really wild that they consider a little highbanker pump as some huge mechanical advantage. Next they won't let you drive your car to the spot because it has a motor!

[@JasperKlijndijk]

Prospecters are destroying the river banks, it's about the amount of material you prospect. With a pump you can proces more as Chris always says.

[@ilouse]

@@JasperKlijndijkdo you know that annual floods reset all the workings of the modern day gold hunter.. all this talk about bank erosion from a shovel compared to a natural flood is just silly mate. Every year for the past 7 years I’ve been out on the creeks and rivers of nsw, they have changed naturally and all the modern workings are gone, reset… now talk about all the lead and mercury we all pull out from the waterways.. yeh nah we trash the place.. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@That_vagabond98]

I just had a look on that pmav site and its kinda vague on the use of a trommel, it says its one of the items you can use does that mean you could essentially drop in a public stream and run pay dirt through it?

[@Knightyme]

Would a hand pump get around the fuel motor / electric pump guideline?

[@seasonallyferal1439]

I've always wondered if you could use a length of corrugated drainage pipe with a scoop on the front to use the rivers water flow to act as a dredge.

[@KB-yn7up]

ever thought of putting a tarp or some extra collection mat under your horizontal/ tilted screen classifier to help collect your sieved dirt, just so you don't have to scrape it off the ground that missed the bucket. meat scoops are good but work smarter not harder. ;)

[@Khanvondog]

I guess the perceived problems with using a power-driven water pump to irrigate your sluice, are as follows: -misconception that this is somehow similar or might be easily cross-purposed for use as a dredge (mechanically-aided excavation); -micro-scale parallel of the spray bar (breaking up clumps of material before they reach the sluice) with the use of a monitor to water-blast terrain (mechanically-aided excavation); -noise nuisance (especially ICE powered pumps); and -sluice discharge stream siltation nuisance (short-term environmental issue?). Logical arguments against assertions that a power-driven water pump is an unlawful power-assisted means of excavation are as follows: -the pump *only* moves water (therefore not excavation); -just like hand-panning, sluicing is a concentrating and refining process which may (but does not necessarily) occur *subsequent* to excavation, not as an integral part of it; -power-assisted sluicing would be lawful if you transported your manually excavated raw sediments home, and did it there, BUT this wastes additional fuel, thereby increasing atmospheric pollution, and is NOT conducive to the parallel requirement to rehabilitate the excavation site (ie. use your sluice waste discharge to refill your holes); -noise nuisance is already addressed by other more specific environmental regulation. Would the same 'nuisance' be lawful and acceptable if it was coming from a generator powering a nearby campsite?; and -silt discharge is comparable to that released by hand-panning. The same discharge would occur if the sluice was irrigated manually using buckets of water, or within the stream itself. Power assistance is not an aggravating factor. Remedies include panning or discharging the sluice into an intermediated settling tub (also useful to catch losses for re-processing) before releasing water back into the stream, or discharging the sluice waste directly back into your excavation hole above stream height (which a power-assisted water pump can actually facilitate). I hope these musings are helpful, if any of you find yourself motivated to challenge, or find yourselves in the unfortunate position of having to defend yourself against these poorly considered regulations.

[@johnruckman2320]

Do you save your black sands since it is used in iron smelting?

[@nehpets216]

So, if the thing is about not using a gas or electric pump would they be against a portable waterwheel pump?

[@davidbean5807]

Question, could you set up a siphon system to draw up water from the stream and empty it into a bucket on top of the highbanker making it non-mechanical according to the law of the land, even though it is mechanical in the science of fluid dynamics? The siphon system would need a hose and a tank of some sort, that is closed. the hose would need to be connected to the tank and it would need a valve on bottom. fill the tank and hose, leave one end in the stream, and set the tank over the small bucket on your high banker. Open the valve and a vacuum will be created in the tank drawing more water up the hose to fill the vacuum in the tank effectively creating a vacuum pump with no mechanical parts only fluid. Hope you will try this to help you around your laws legally.

[@Grimfest14]

possible improvement. attach a portable water tank above that you can quickly dump 2-3, 5 gallon buckets full of water (with a spigot) that gravity feeds the high bank.

[@4roryvt]

Hey so question- the law (potentially) bans use of a "mechanical" pump- but could you get the full value of the system by manually filling a gravity tank and using that to wash as you would with the pump, rather than bucketing directly into the pan? On that note, I gather that a mechanical pump using only a water wheel- like you see in some gardens- would also be disallowed? Probably not enough water flow to use directly, but could work well in combination with a gravity tank.

[@richieboy67]

Dude love the way you classify with your screen.also pan looks cool

[@greybushthegreat2391]

I have a suggestion, try making a water hopper to gravity feed the water to your spray bars. Love your videos bro, keep up the good work

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

I stopped feeling bad for the slaves in britain. Stuck always following orders and complying

[@AlchemiUnlimited]

Where can I find the system as used in your video?

[@trollwayy5981]

Would you be allowed to use a water wheel, where it’s hydro powered?

[@fatwombat2611]

I think a vibrating feeding tray you could put a whole bucket in and a longer thinner sluice with a large flat reseviour that has baffles to prevent surges could be the answer. With such a thing you could unload the bucket of wash dirt then just concentrate in keeping water up to it.

[@roosterqmoney]

A vibrating tray is a machine. Ie mechanical

[@fatwombat2611]

@@roosterqmoney yes. So even if its not used for actually digging ? I thought thats what the main issue is Back to cradles I guess.

[@abigfnhero6203]

Now can you use a ram pump setup, use it to fill a larger storage container that gravity feeds the highbanker? So while you're excavating the pump refills the container, its not an electric or petrol pump

[@exterminater267]

Just prime a hose with water, and then as the water comes out into the washer, it will suck up more water from the river. Just need to have the washer lower than the input of the water. Even if there’s an incline in the hose. The lower the output of the water is to the input, the more flow you will have. No mechanization required.

[@evapho2745]

What if you could control the water flow by having a having a larger tank/ bucket elevated above the high banker and with a valve for on/off and to fine tune how much water is flowing through. Fill your tank and be able to control how fast your water flows.

[@n5sdm]

Use the pump to deliver water to a bucket. Use the bucket to dump water to a metering bag and use that to fill a bucket right next to the high banker and then pour the bucket into another bucket that feeds the high banker.

[@Imiancrook]

When does something become mechanical? Are you allowed to use hand cranks and flywheels?

[@uncletiggermclaren7592]

You can buy a kind of woven canvas pipe, there are different types, one is called Lapeta Pipe. 90Mtrs of 6.5 cm diameter pipe weighs just 1.1 Kgs. You could carry five lengths of it into the bush with you, with simple lengths of pipe as joiners. That gives you half a kilometer of pipe you could lay alongside the water-source, the top end in the bottom of a small dam you could make in minutes, and the other end down at your high banker. I promise you, that will have a HUGE flow of water through it. You could actually use it to dig with, washing the top-soil off the side of the creek. 😐